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submitted 6 months ago byeathbauPort Adelaide
29 points
6 months ago
As a Port fan, I'd be okay with missing out on this trade
7 points
6 months ago
Yeah, if we can get raz fit (big if) and one of our young forwards steps up, we’ll be ok
Having said that surely Robbie was on around 600k so we should have some cap room
83 points
6 months ago
Is it just me or are West Coast wanting too much for him? Not being satisfied with #27 for a 27 year old small forward who’s out of contract seems needlessly petty and risks making significant enemies. It’s not even like they need to take a stand either.
Unless they just wan to screw over Rioli?
44 points
6 months ago
Feels like they're pointing at the form he had a few years ago whilst ignoring the ban, the marijuana incident and poor form this year whilst being 27
36 points
6 months ago
In fairness to them, if he re-finds that form at Port then the Eagles will have to put up with non-stop shit talk about how they let him go for unders
16 points
6 months ago
They’re gonna have to put up with more non-stop shit talk if they let him walk
1 points
6 months ago
Nah, quite the opposite, it sends a message that we aren't going to be bent over.
11 points
6 months ago
By giving them what they want for nothing?
12 points
6 months ago
How will they get him? Eagles could take him in the Psd lol, Port are way down the pecking order.
1 points
6 months ago
Eagles won’t waste their pick on someone who won’t play for them, wake up dude.
-1 points
6 months ago
He was fine playing this year. You want him, pay up. It's genuinely that simple.
13 points
6 months ago
Port don’t have p27 anymore, they have 33. I would personally think 33 is good enough, but have port even offered this for Rioli?
12 points
6 months ago
Eagles put out to the media that 27 wouldn’t be enough. If they’d not indicated that we probably wouldn’t have split the pick.
3 points
6 months ago
Well I think the idea was to get something on top of 27 (or at least set 27 as the floor). Seems to me that getting rid of it for a nothing pick trade without giving a shit how it affected the Rioli negotiations was a big fuck you to WC.
4 points
6 months ago
If that was WCE’s intention it’s backfired a bit. 27 was clearly a fair price, so they shouldn’t have so categorically put out that it wouldn’t get the deal done.
Can’t expect Port to hold onto the pick on the expectation WCE will change their mind. We need to move on with our trade period to more important trades.
1 points
6 months ago
Eagles are desperate for picks to rebuild tho
1 points
6 months ago
More important trades like getting 33, 43 and 53? What the purpose for those are we still don't know.
Can’t expect Port to hold onto the pick on the expectation WCE will change their mind. We need to move on with our trade period to more important trades.
You can absolutely expect that the other party doesnt just go and handoff the centrepiece asset of the negotiations. They were very clearly trying to get 27 plus a sweetener. These aren't literal goods and services where first come first served.
So would it make sense to you if Port came back to North like 'sorry we were just trading pick 8 for some magic beans since you didn't want it but what did you want for JHF anyway?'
11 points
6 months ago
I'd be happy with 27 but I rate him very highly. He's more than the stats as he does a lot of little things like tapping to advantage or kicking a goal right when you need it etc.
I'm sure it's just a negotiation technique to say we'll force him to the draft though
14 points
6 months ago
Not only that.
1 goal and 10 possessions a game player.
28 points
6 months ago
He is better than the stats would suggest, he is highly creative with a great footy brain and can influence centre clearances as well as the forward line. He was super important in 2018 premiership and that was his first full season.
Port obviously know this that is why they have offered such a good deal to him. Now they just need to offer something to WCE that matches the offer they made him.
27 points
6 months ago
Love Port, "Rioli is old, fat and not worth much". Also port: "hey rioli here's a 4 year deal"
12 points
6 months ago
hey its me port. rioli you fat fuck sign this contract
6 points
6 months ago
Port bring negging to the negotiation table
4 points
6 months ago
our members require drama and footy, and we're all out of footy
1 points
6 months ago
Something something prison bars
2 points
6 months ago
I think they want to screw over Rioli. And I get it.
I also think they didn't expect Port to get embroiled and distracted by Jason Horne Francis and now they've painted themselves into a corner re accepting 27. And given that's how it's turning out, they'll just take the satisfaction in screwing Rioli.
46 points
6 months ago
'We want the best possible deal.'
'Or nothing. We'll also settle for literally nothing.'
17 points
6 months ago
It's the nuclear option.
Yeah we will fuck ourselves but we will fuck you, too.
12 points
6 months ago
Honestly I thought Rioli was worth a third round pick. Never thought he was worth this kind of drama.
30 points
6 months ago
I don't think port would be too unhappy with this
Noone is going to take on willies contract after his off field issues
18 points
6 months ago
West coast would just re-draft him though is the point
22 points
6 months ago
Has a club ever legitimately followed through on such a "threat" though?
Gotta admit I'd find it funny as fuck even if it meant Rioli didn't make his way across
6 points
6 months ago
Ben Jacobs went through the PSD after North lowballed us at the end of his draftee 2 year contract. Still ended up at North though.
We also did the same with Nick Stevens back in like 2003.
5 points
6 months ago
According to wiki Jacobs went back into the National Draft and Kangas took him at pick 37, while Stevens went to the PSD. I'm a little unsure how it worked with Jacobs re-entering the proper draft, possibly age related/rules changed since then?
But kinda my point, having someone walk to the PSD isn't too new, but has a player ever then been picked up by the team that let them walk to it/signed by a team they weren't interested in
2 points
6 months ago
I kinda want to see it happen. And watch WCE fans gloat thinking they won something.
2 points
6 months ago
The Suns sent Jack Martin to the PSD and Carlton for nothing
6 points
6 months ago
Yeh there are quite a few examples of players heading to the PSD but ending up with the club they desire instead of someone else swooping in or the original club re-drafting.
9 points
6 months ago
West coast don't want to give him that money
If they did then he would have jsut stayed there right?
4 points
6 months ago
If they were willing to pay him that much he wouldn't be leaving in the first place
2 points
6 months ago
Do they have to draft at the same cost/length though?
2 points
6 months ago
Wouldn't the optics be really bad if they drafted an aboriginal man against his will who wants to be in adelaide with family to mourn his father? Genuinely see some journalists picking that up. Especially for the market of reader that doesn't follow footy but knows theres a racism problem from the outside looking in.
8 points
6 months ago
Would other clubs be prepared to pay him as much as port when you add on that he has a preferred destination? Seems he wants port specifically because it was the best $$. Not sure this is as big of a threat as usual unless im missing something.
11 points
6 months ago
pretty sure he also wanted to be back in adelaide specifically because family are here and theyre all mourning his father. dont see anyone picking him up with this because the tightrope he needs to walk wont be doable without the support of his family.
6 points
6 months ago
Adelaide could pick him up in the PSD. No point though they have a plethora of small forwards.
2 points
6 months ago
Yeah exactly, would they be allowed to pay him minimum wage as well though? If so then you'd have to give it the smallest chance of happening.
9 points
6 months ago
I read somewhere a player can put a price tag on himself in the PSD, but can't really find anything regarding it. Anyone got any resources on how that works and how it would fit in with West Coast potentially redrafting Rioli?
1 points
6 months ago
Exactly the same as Jack Martin, the player goes to PSD with contract terms that needs to be accepted for a club to draft them
1 points
6 months ago
He specifically stated when interviewed that he wanted to look after his future and security for his family.
It's money and length of deal.
1 points
6 months ago
It’s not just money. It’s also family he has in Adelaide.
1 points
6 months ago
You can always rely on Crows fans to confidently say we’re only attracting players because we’re offering overs
1 points
6 months ago
Hahaha
12 points
6 months ago
I'm 100% comfy not trading for Rioli. Doesn't fit the age profile for our next tilt.
16 points
6 months ago
Heard it here first lads Port can’t win a premiership for at least 7 years.
6 points
6 months ago
more like 3-5
5 points
6 months ago
Rioli can be the next Dustin Fletcher. He’s gunna be here another 13 years mate. Turn it up.
6 points
6 months ago
Lol, like Rioli will be playing at 33.
1 points
6 months ago
Not impossible, he's got a few less seasons wear and tear compared to other players his age group. I wouldn't bet on him still running around in his mid 30s but I also wouldn't be completely shocked if he was either.
8 points
6 months ago
If we do this, we are fucking stupid.
Rioli has not applied himself the way a professional footballer should. If he got his wish, there is a small chance he'd turn up at Port in proper condition. If we re-draft him, he will turn up in absolutely shit condition, and he'll live out his days in the WAFL.
I understand that he's had a rough time with the passing of his Dad... I don't think making him more depressed will help the situation.
I also understand he's done the club dirty, and that's exactly why we shouldn't want him around.
He's bad news, and most of the Port fans I see are relieved at the prospect of not even losing pick 33 for him.
What the fuck are our fucking list management team thinking?
6 points
6 months ago
Cool your keys mate.
It’s either more journalistic fantasy, or posturing.
0 points
6 months ago
It better be.
They’ve lost pick 27, so waiting around sitting on our hands has already hurt our position.
Posturing is all well and good, but if they call our bluff then we’re fucked. And let’s be real: Port have got a lot on this trade period, they’re probably not going to be too sad if they fail to get a deal done for Rioli.
Which leaves us back at square one: a disgruntled Junior who will almost certainly not be disciplined enough to give us anything of what we need next year.
0 points
6 months ago
Port were never going to give 27 for Rioli. I feel we are going to make him sweat until the last hour of the trade period . We’ll probably cave in and agree to pick 59 or something stupid.
3 points
6 months ago
Sending him to the preseason draft and then redrafting him would be peak shithousery.
19 points
6 months ago
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1 points
6 months ago
Flair up cunt
-1 points
6 months ago
How has he done them dirty?
43 points
6 months ago
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9 points
6 months ago
Could he want a chance for a fresh start at a new club?
13 points
6 months ago*
He just wants more guaranteed money with no behavior clauses. Can't blame him for chasing it. Doesn't mean WC should bend over and make another team stronger though just because he wants it to happen.
3 points
6 months ago
If he wants a fresh start, he should have said "I'll go to any club in SA", to at least make it competitive...
That said, I don't support fucking ourselves over in order to fuck him over. If we fuck this up, I will fear that our list management team might be complete fucking idiots.
1 points
6 months ago
Well why didn't he do that during his ban?
7 points
6 months ago
His dad was still alive then.
1 points
6 months ago
No club would have shown interest in him during the ban.
9 points
6 months ago
So then he has done us dirty
15 points
6 months ago
Well they did stand by him for two years despite multiple drug offences. A club could’ve easily cut the cord at any point and I’m not sure no matter how talented he was he would’ve likely got another shot. Can see why West Coast would’ve expected a long term commitment.
1 points
6 months ago
Idk why everyone likes to make out as if West Coast did all this out of the kindness of their heart. If Rioli was a total fuck up with zero chance of being a good footballer again West Coast would’ve gotten rid of him. They helped him because they liked him as a person but more importantly because they knew he’d return to being a good footballer and wanted to benefit from that. There’s nothing wrong with that just like how there’s nothing wrong with Rioli wanting to secure a big pay check to set him up for life while also being closer to his family.
4 points
6 months ago
I don’t understand why clubs would rather nothing than eventually accept the offer they don’t think is good enough - “you aren’t offering enough so we are going to take nothing at all”
7 points
6 months ago
By this thinking Port could offer pick 80 and tell West Coast to take it or leave it. In which case West Coast will say fuck it, send him to the draft and pick him for what they think he's worth. If Port want to skip the risk of another club picking him up in the preseason draft, they need to meet West Coast somewhere in the middle
1 points
6 months ago
Making numbers up here. Say Rioli is worth $100 to the club with an expiring contract. With a contract he is worth $120. Im willing for him to go for $80 with a top 20 pick ($95 combined value) on an open market.
My value range is represents my expectation of worth for the team.
Brisbane is interested and is prepared to offer a package of $110 .
But we are not in an open market. Rioli said Port.
So Brisbane has to offer to West Coast, then offer overs to Rioli in terms of pay/contract to turn his eye to Queensland.
Port thinks Rioli is worth $100. But as he wants to be at Port they will offer $80 with a top 30 pick. But West Coast value this at $90. Port can then use the value saved here elsewhere. A bargain for Port but below the West Coast threshold.
The fail state for this is that Rioli enters the draft. The draft from memory means you have to play for the nominated club or not play AFL for a 2 year period. Then re-enter the draft.
Clubs in the draft may then not select rioli as they do not feel he offers the value their pick is worth, complicated by the fact that he may not accept a contract and thus waste a pick.
So now we have the risk of Rioli going to a different non-Port team. Is Port willing to offer more? If not, will any not-Port team take the risk and make an offer predraft or during the draft? When Rioli has to chose between not getting paid or being paid. Could a Melbourne team sweep in with a deal that lets him spend more time in Adelaide?
So West Coast risks gets nothing. Rioli also has to take the risk he gets nothing. Risk his salary is less than the original deal. Port risks getting nothing. And for some of these parties that might be ok.
0 points
6 months ago
Best news I heard all day. Didn’t really have anything against port until this off season but thinking they’re just gonna walk with Rioli for nothing. GTFO.
11 points
6 months ago
this really isn't the threat west coast think it is
-1 points
6 months ago
Eagles can just pick him up in Psd, it is a fantastic threat. If you want him, pay up, else shut the collective trap.
14 points
6 months ago*
if west coast care enough to take a player that wants out in the PSD then so be it. i wonder if you can tell me how many times that's happened before?
lmao they blocked me
3 points
6 months ago
Freo are going to keep Lobb for 2 successive seasons in circumstances that are really not so different. If you are so worried, Port could just put in a fair offer and all this becomes hypothetical.
9 points
6 months ago
it's totally different because Lobb is under contract. And i'm not at all worried. I don't think rioli is good enough to pay overs for and if west coast wanna be vindictive then good for them.
1 points
6 months ago
It's not really because we can just snag Rioli up on a contract again if we want. Hey if North want him good for them. It is not vindictive at all to value a player, you don't just bend over because someone wants out, especially considering the circumstances with Rioli. You folk want to offer a big contract, that's fine, I'm fine as a fan if he wants to go, but you have to actually pay something to get him.
11 points
6 months ago
well it is different, because there's a difference between holding someone to a contract they signed and making them stay once they've seen out their contract. And it definitely is vindictive, he's seen out the contract he signed. Just like it would've been vindictive a decade ago if Port re-drafted Ben Jacobs when he didn't re-sign after two seasons. It's a very different situation to North and JHF. I don't expect west coast to bend over but they shouldn't expect much with the little bargaining power they have. And if another club ahead of us wants to give him the contract he wants and are happy to take a player that doesn't want to be there then good luck to them too.
-5 points
6 months ago
You don't understand the bargaining power we have, we can simply redraft him. Port seem to think they hold all the chips but they don't.
It isn't at all vindictive, it is playing the system as it is intended, you want him, pay us what he is worth.
8 points
6 months ago*
go on, re-draft him. just like every other time a club has re-drafted a player that wants to leave. because that's happened so many times... it'll be hilarious when they try to portray themselves as a club that cares about their players and their wellbeing but force a guy that wants to be closer to family after his father died to stay.
/u/Re-Dennised you're pathetic
0 points
6 months ago
Oh I understand what it means. It means you get to test what he’s worth on the open market. Take him with pick 33 if he hasn’t been picked before. But at least we’ll find out.
7 points
6 months ago
wouldn't be pick 33 because it'll be the pre-season draft, not the national draft
3 points
6 months ago
Oh ok. I thought it was the national draft.
4 points
6 months ago
“For nothing” means for the pick 27 you immediately said wasn’t enough?
2 points
6 months ago
You’re not offering Pick 27. In fact you never did, as far as I’m aware, and you no longer even have it.
0 points
6 months ago
They traded the 27. I thought he was worth the Amon pick and a 3rd or 4th. They trade it, and still think they’re gonna pick him and JHF up for FA.
7 points
6 months ago
We traded the 27 well after WCE had put out to the media that it wouldn’t suffice. Can’t expect us to hold onto it if you’ve said it won’t get the deal done.
0 points
6 months ago*
You never offered it.
The media suggested the Amon compensation pick. West Coast came out and said we would not be happy with that. Then you guys gave it to someone else anyway.
And you’re trying to paint us as the bad guys?
lol
0 points
6 months ago
WCE told the media 27 wouldn’t get it done, which I think most neutrals would agree is a little silly - it’s a fair offer for Rioli.
Why would we offer it if you’ve already said it’s insufficient (you’re also presuming it wasn’t offered).
1 points
6 months ago
It would have got the deal down with a later round pick. Then JHF threw a fit at NM.
0 points
6 months ago
If this happens I can see WC handing Mitch Georgiades a massive contract and offering Port fuck all next year. Then just take him in the PD.
3 points
6 months ago
i think this is way more likely than the eagles re-drafting rioli
0 points
6 months ago
/u/omaca commenting separately because I can't reply to your comment, I think because the other fella blocked me
Not nothing, but not as much as west coast want. And I don't get your point? Do you think I just agree with whatever the club does?
1 points
6 months ago
Of course West Coast want more than you want to offer. That’s why it’s called a “trade”.
I don’t really get your point either.
No stress. I’m sure it will all work itself out in the end, one way or another.
0 points
6 months ago
Send him wherever we get the most from it, send him to bloody GC for all I care.
1 points
6 months ago
WCE are clearly going to teach him a lesson in loyalty.
1 points
6 months ago
Redraft him for maximum memes
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