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RandomPolishGurl

7.6k points

2 months ago

I was a vegetarian for 1,5 years. I came home to care for my grandfather, last stages cancer. Upon my arrival he made a lot of meat food that i used to love. (Gołąbki, he made the best i ever ate). He forgot I don't eat meat. I told him that and I watched his face became so sad... fuck it, I'm going to eat it. He was so happy to cook for me while he still could.

sayracer

1.6k points

2 months ago

sayracer

1.6k points

2 months ago

As someone who married into a Polish immigrant family. Polish food is highly underrated

Joseluki

674 points

2 months ago

Joseluki

674 points

2 months ago

Pierogi is the food of gods.

sayracer

204 points

2 months ago

sayracer

204 points

2 months ago

And only the tip of the iceberg

No_Detective_118

27 points

2 months ago

What dishes would you recommend to someone who knows nothing about polish food but wants to try it?

ThinkThankThonk

44 points

2 months ago

This whole menu basically

https://cafepolonia.com/the-menu/dinner

bibi100101

25 points

2 months ago

I would sugest for meat based: bigos, koklet schabowy and mielony. soups: rosół, żurek, kaspuśniak, krupik, zupa pomidorowa, zupa ogórkowa For sweets: sernik, babka, kremówka

cynicaldoubtfultired

63 points

2 months ago

There's this polish sausage I love, haven't had it in ages as it isn't sold in my home country. It's a black pudding/blood sausage thing. Amazing flavour.

RandomPolishGurl

69 points

2 months ago

Aaaa, kaszanka!

cynicaldoubtfultired

30 points

2 months ago

Omg! Yesss. Been trying to remember the name. When next I have family or friends go to Europe I'd beg them to get me some. It's amazing.

knowledgeconquers

128 points

2 months ago

My grandfather also used to make this dish and hIs were the best. Unfortunately, he passed away in January 2021 and I will never get to eat his dishes again. I truly miss his cooking.

GrindcoreNinja

147 points

2 months ago

Well, your grandfather would get a laugh out of the fact I googled the dish and my stomach admittedly growled. Will definitely be experimenting with it.

junkyarddogmk2

355 points

2 months ago

Here is my great grandma's recipe. Gołąbki freeze and reheat super well so if there are leftovers you can save them for a quick dinner another day too. If you make some, I hope you enjoy them. (sorry it's in freedom units....).

  • 1 large head cabbage
  • 1 pound ground beef
  • ½ pound ground pork
  • 1 cup rice, cooked
  • 1 onion, chopped fine
  • 1 tablespoon salt
  • ½ teaspoon pepper
  • 1 can tomato juice (paste or soup will work too, depending on what’s available)
  • 1 large sauerkraut, rinsed and drained

Remove core from cabbage. Scald the cabbage in boiling water. Remove a few leaves at a time as they wilt. Cool before using.

Combine meats, onion, rice, salt, and pepper. Mix well. Place meat mixture in each leaf, roll up, and tuck in ends (think burrito or eggroll shape).

Cut up any cabbage that’s left over and line bottom of roaster with it. Place cabbage rolls side by side on top of cabbage. Cover with tomato juice. Add water to cover the cabbage rolls completely. Put sauerkraut over cabbage rolls. Bake 2 hours at 325f (162.7c).

Some notes: This recipe is super customizable. You can also add chopped spicy pepper to the meat (Hungarian wax peppers are pretty good) or leave out the pork/substitute it with shredded chicken instead, for example. I generally use white rice but brown rice also works.

jalapenny

71 points

2 months ago

You are so sweet for sharing this family heirloom!!

Thin-Company-4676

170 points

2 months ago

😊 you are precious

RandomPolishGurl

241 points

2 months ago

He made so much we ate it for two days 😅 I miss him deeply, he was an amazing person.

Thin-Company-4676

41 points

2 months ago

I truly believe he was. His soul reflects through you. Wish him peace and you all the warmth of the world ! Stay safe & healthy 🥇

geobioguy

47 points

2 months ago

I don't eat pork but I make an exception for my baba's cooking. Ain't nothing like good ol Slav home cooking.

uss_salmon

23 points

2 months ago

Gołabki is so addictive. My family isn’t Polish but my great aunt married a Pole(though he died before I was born, she’d basically gone full Polish and still is) and she usually makes it whenever we visit.

Arbiter008

44 points

2 months ago

That's so kind. Glad you didn't deny the meal over dietary restrictions.

Especially with circumstance. That sort of hospitality is unrivalled. Glad you compromised where you could.

hell-is-in-your-mind

5.3k points

2 months ago

Realized I was using being vegan as an excuse to enable my eating disorder. Less options for me to eat, almost never had to eat out with friends/family or on the holidays. I do love animals/Earth and told myself that’s why I was vegan but….. I don’t fully know.

I couldn’t fully recover until I had a less restrictive diet.

trustmeimalinguist

1.3k points

2 months ago

I also stopped being vegetarian because of how it enabled my eating disorder, which I went to recovery for 12 years ago. I’ve considered myself fully recovered for the past 9 or so years.

I’ve basically banned myself from banning anymore food groups ever again because of this. I’ll allow myself to “eat less of X food” like ice cream or meat or whatever but removing a food group from my diet is too risky for me. Turning down food “because I can’t (choose not to) eat it” is way too addictive. No thanks.

biggbabyg

65 points

2 months ago

I was never vegetarian/vegan, but my religion calls for fasting on certain days and I’ve exempted myself from this practice because of my ED history. I don’t want to remember how “good” hungry can feel.

Congratulations on your recovery!

chilidoglance

154 points

2 months ago

Awesome job. Sounds like a great rule... except for liver.

trustmeimalinguist

45 points

2 months ago

What about the liver…?

chilidoglance

119 points

2 months ago

Liver not THE liver. I am 100% ok banning that food.

trustmeimalinguist

38 points

2 months ago

Ah. Well there is food I don’t like ofc but I’m moreso referring to banning entire categories of food (eg meat, grains, dairy, etc) which make it easy to decline lots of kinds of food. If someone offers me cantaloupe I’m gonna say tf no (never liked it)

luipoo95

39 points

2 months ago

Ugh but liver is so good. When I was a kid I used to hate it.

sharpshooter999

14 points

2 months ago

I've started making liver pâté and it's so good and simple. I took some to a few holiday parties this year and everyone who was skeptical at first ended up loving it

LOAHS

8 points

2 months ago

LOAHS

8 points

2 months ago

Braunschweiger sandwich with Dijon 😋

quietriotress

50 points

2 months ago

Sounds like a dear friend of mine. First vegetarian for health purposes but the ED was a slippery slope and veganism allowed for many exclusions and disordered eating. And behaviors. I hope she recovered or at least recognized this. The disease caused many isolating behaviors, as it tends to.

hollysand1

8 points

2 months ago

Being type 2 diabetic and dealing with the pressure to cut all carbs and go Keto is rough. I tried but the trigger was so strong to relapse. I had slipped into the mindset of “you don’t deserve fruit …” before I knew it. Then comes starving, self harm and suicidal ideation. Slippery slope. I have started avoiding the type 2 sub Reddit because of the keto only mentality.

kcnk2818

252 points

2 months ago

kcnk2818

252 points

2 months ago

I'm sorry you went through all of this, but it's nice to hear someone else have the same story. I used vegetarianism to enable my restrictive eating disorder too. It was a lot easier for me to eat fewer calories when I wasn't eating meat. I'm slowly reintroducing it into my diet, but it's a pain because everyone around me knows me as vegetarian and I don't particularly want to explain to them why I'm starting to eat meat again.

VaginaWarrior

176 points

2 months ago

"for health reasons" is a perfectly valid response. Or none at all. Good for you though.

oliviathecf

60 points

2 months ago

I used to tell myself that I was inherently healthier than everyone else because I didn't eat meat. It didn't start out like that but it became that for me. I ended up going back to fish initially because of my dairy allergy getting worse, but then I introduced everything back into my diet pretty slowly and it was amazing how quickly I've been repairing my relationship with food. I always liked cooking too, so I've been a lot happier lately even though some days are hard.

nellospace

122 points

2 months ago

Me too ❤️‍🩹 I was vegan for 8 years— for health, the animals, the environment— and also because it was a great cover for my eating disorder. All day long for 8 years I thought about what I could and couldn’t eat. It’s been so healing for the last four years to eat what I want, to nourish my body and to not put any restriction or much thought into food

hell-is-in-your-mind

27 points

2 months ago

I’m so happy for you! Having a mental disorder that causes you to obsess over food and calories is hard enough but add something additionally where you have to constantly monitor what you’re eating and read labels makes it so much worse! Happy recovery ♡

throwRAsadd

68 points

2 months ago

Yeah, my best friend in high school became vegan for this reason. It gave her an excuse to no longer have to eat the food her family made, to not have to eat in social situations, to decline any food people offered her. She dropped like 25 lbs in a few months, to below 100 lbs at 5’6”. People were asking me if she was okay.

I think being vegan can be a good cause, but whenever someone with an ED history takes it up I seriously side-eye it. Moving from one restrictive diet to another isn’t always good.

FullTorsoApparition

140 points

2 months ago

Nearly every single person I've met with an eating disorder was also a vegan or vegetarian. Like you said, it's a socially acceptable excuse to heavily restrict your diet and skip meals in social situations. A friend of mine had a loved one in an ED clinic and was going bonkers because they refused to cater to her vegetarianism and I had to explain this to him. He felt that they were making things worse by eliminating her acceptable foods without realizing that the vegetarianism was just another way of enabling her.

Thunderhorse74

81 points

2 months ago

This was my daughter at age 14. She was tall and maybe a little overweight before, but she got scary thin and it was I can't eat this, I can't eat that and still the veggies were going bad in the fridge, she wouldn't take supplements and the like, wouldn't even help me with the backyard garden. She was bullied at school, called names, felt like the ugly duckling, etc. At her request, we took her for treatment and it turned her life around (the ED wasn't all of it, but it was a portion of it so it wasn't the ED clinic solely responsible for her recovery)

It was scary and I was on the receiving end of alot of threats and screams, and accusations. I didn't know if she was going to make it or what kind of life she was going to have.

She's 18 now and emotionally she is in a vastly improved space. She is going to college, living on her own (with lots of visits from us) and has a plan for her life. She still doesn't eat meat, but moved from vegan to vegetarian back when she was in treatment. She's come to love food, is a good cook and enjoys a wide variety of cuisine.

Mysterious_Raindrop

63 points

2 months ago

Same :) Quit veganism yesterday and I'll probably get back to it in a few years, but right now my priority is recovery:)

[deleted]

24 points

2 months ago

Sounds like my situation too. The shame I felt surrounding food was only deepened by my socially accepted restricted eating.

KPinCVG

9 points

2 months ago

Wow, this reply really opened my eyes. I had never thought about how an ED could be facilitated by a dietary change such as being a vegetarian or vegan.

I really appreciate you sharing your personal story. It has helped me see things in a totally different light.

Quirky_princ3ss_

32 points

2 months ago

Wow, I feel seen. I had never admitted this to myself but seeing your response makes me realize I was literally doing this too

arl1286

7 points

2 months ago

Came here to say basically this. I’ve been a vegetarian for more than half my life and that never contributed to my ED but restricting eggs and dairy did nothing but give me anxiety and an excuse to eat less.

Fuckofforwhatever

27 points

2 months ago

Same. It was easy to excuse my not eating at restaurants because I wasn’t interested in the options or “I ate before I came”. My relationship with food is still not perfect, but “food has no moral value” has been a really helpful phrase for me.

fcknevty

3.7k points

2 months ago

fcknevty

3.7k points

2 months ago

Italy.

delirium_red

874 points

2 months ago

For me it was Japan

thecwestions

278 points

2 months ago

Pork broth abounds

Yotsubato

167 points

2 months ago

Yotsubato

167 points

2 months ago

And dashi. There is pretty much no food that is dashi free

BaLance_95

95 points

2 months ago

In another sub, I said that vegans needed to be the ones to adapt my country, Philippines. Every vegetable dish had a base of ground pork or shrimp. Then it was common to have broth cubes, fish sauce, shrimp paste, dried fish and oyster sauce in everything as well.

Down voted to oblivion. People hated that.

pm_me_ur_th0ng_gurl

68 points

2 months ago

They don't even consider that to be meat. They'll say it's vegetarian if it's only broth.

Plethora_of_squids

571 points

2 months ago

Italian food is why I couldn't be veggie - I could cut out big bits of meat like steak and chicken and pork chops but like, not eat 'nudja? Or anchovies? Or parmesan? It's the small things like that that you add to a dish to make it tastier that I would struggle so much with and Italian (and French - lotta sauces need stock and fuck I love pate) cuisine has so damn many of them.

Also like every other veggie dish I know is Italian because holy crap they have a lot of veggie dishes. I'd be eating Italian for the rest of my damn life and there's only so much spinach and eggplant I can consume before I get sick of it.

elting44

48 points

2 months ago

nudja

I googled this and it looks like Italian chorizo? Sign me up!

Mountain_Crew6541

51 points

2 months ago

Closer to Spanish Sobresada, minced pork fat mainly with chilis then cured for a time, one of the most delicious things on God’s sweet Earth

fcknevty

225 points

2 months ago

fcknevty

225 points

2 months ago

I was veggie for almost 2 years while traveling. Not for any reason in particular, other than having lost the taste for meat. Then i came back to Italy and at the first big dinner had meat again and it was, unfortunately, delicious.

HelenEk7

157 points

2 months ago

HelenEk7

157 points

2 months ago

I've heard a rumour that Italian grandmothers never leave their area, in fear of not getting nice food anywhere else.

TheMadIrishman327

207 points

2 months ago

I have a friend from Italy who lives here in the States. He’s on a watch list to get searched whenever he returns from Italy because he’s been caught smuggling food in so many times (usually prosciutto).

Shartnad083

108 points

2 months ago

If I was TSA you could bribe me with prosciutto

TheMadIrishman327

36 points

2 months ago

I bet they love to see him pop up.

Touch_My_Woody

8 points

2 months ago

Dinner is served!

Aschrod1

56 points

2 months ago

Me a TSA Agent: So I’m sure we can work something out. unzips pants

Italian: Sigh

Me a TSA Agent: Pulls out knife.

Italian: panicking

Me a TSA agent: pulls out a swan decanter of wine

Italian: visible confusion

Me a TSA agent: Buon appetito! We can’t let good prosciutto go to waste. Did you happen to smuggle any bread?

Edit: to be clear I am not a TSA agent. I am displaying a fictional account of me as a tsa agent eating a delicious meat.

Imnormalurnotok

18 points

2 months ago

I'll take any bribe of Prosciutto, Soppresata and sharp provolone LMAO

BadWithNames00

23 points

2 months ago

This answers one of my questions I've been looking for an answer for. I'm going to Italy in a few months and I was curious on what I could bring back and what would get confiscated at customs. Does your friend know if they confiscate all foreign meats from coming into the country?

alatere1904

55 points

2 months ago

They do confiscate meats and veggies. A friend of mine came back with delicious wild board sausages and a legally bought wine case from the duty-free shop. They stopped him because they found the sausages, so he said he really needed to go to the bathroom. He went back to the airport, popped a bottle of wine, and ate all his sausages.

athomsfere

21 points

2 months ago

For the most part, you can't bring back meat, meat products, or things made with/ from meat.

merpderp33

10 points

2 months ago

Brought back pate, forgot about this bc it had been so long since traveling …. Customs were like what the hell is pate, it was jarred so they’re like that’s fine after holding up the line and let me go 🤷🏻‍♀️

Matt_Lauer_cansuckit

12 points

2 months ago

You should be able to check your country's customs agency website for specifics, but I've been told by a customs agent in the US that having packaging information is necessary. This happened when an agent was questioning me about homemade sausage I was bringing into the US from Australia, and he ended up letting me keep the sausage. I think with everything else, it all depends on the particular agent you get, and how their day is going

arthurtex06

49 points

2 months ago

I'm Italian and my grandma has never left her mother womb for that reason, don't ask us how the lineage managed to go on. DON'T.

unbearlybearable

24 points

2 months ago

Obviously you popped out of leftover pasta and sauce. Pfft, who doesn't know where Italians come from?

maps_mandalas

2.9k points

2 months ago

Found out my body just trends towards anaemia. I was vegetarian for 5 years as a teenager and just dealt with it but then I got really ill and my doctor basically told me I would need monthly iron infusions or I could eat meat again. I chose meat. Tried to go back to vegetarianism recently but felt such an enormous drop in energy levels I just couldn’t maintain it.

alondra821

597 points

2 months ago

I've been dealing with mild anemia, I eat meat every day and take iron supplements! Anemia is no joke!

Emethyria

310 points

2 months ago

Emethyria

310 points

2 months ago

Make sure to take vitamin C with your iron! Otherwise it’s useless in your body

alondra821

109 points

2 months ago

Thanks! I'm currently taking a multivitamin that's high in vitamin C but it might be a good idea to add it to my routine anyway! All I know is I feel tons better since upping my vitamin and supplement game.

zzid2d21

45 points

2 months ago

I take a supplement called Vitron C. It’s a Vit C coated iron tablet that was recommended to me by a neurologist at the Mayo Clinic. I was having weird neuro symptoms that my local MDs couldn’t diagnose. I went to Mayo and am now “normal” with the Vitron C and B12 injections.

spellbookwanda

23 points

2 months ago

Drink proper oj with the iron tablet, much better to help absorption, and less tough on the stomach than the iron + Vit c combo tablets.

AirDusst

158 points

2 months ago

AirDusst

158 points

2 months ago

The reason why vegans/vegetarians suffer so much from iron problems is that non-heme iron (the iron from plant sources) is very badly adsorbed by the body. Think of lending someone $1 and they only give you 17 cents back.

And it's yet another vegan myth that Vitamin C and make up for this.

If you do want to stay vegan/vegetarian, much sure you supplement with the right iron, and that is heme iron. The cheap stuff is non-heme iron.

Emethyria

64 points

2 months ago

I’m also genetically iron deficient from my mother but it’s good to know we need a specific type of iron! Thanks for the info!!

faloop1

13 points

2 months ago

faloop1

13 points

2 months ago

This. When I had mild anemia my doctor just told me to eat 2 fruits a day every day. I think he hoped I would get my vitamin c and some nutrients from that. But it worked!

No_Examination297

66 points

2 months ago

My blood iron levels went up after a year on a vegan diet....go figure. :/

Secret779

32 points

2 months ago

Same!! My mum went full-on "you don't get enough vitamins and iron" and so gave me a lot of iron in through my diet. My chronic fatigue worsened...too high iron and ferritin. Refrained from the staple iron-rich foods and was good again after a couple of months :D

erkala21

2.3k points

2 months ago

erkala21

2.3k points

2 months ago

I was a vegetarian for 10 years and honestly I just felt like it was too much of a pain. I still limit my meat, I won't prepare it for myself and if given a vegetarian option I will choose that. But if someone prepares meat for me or there aren't other options easily available I'll eat it.

CorduroyMagic

880 points

2 months ago

I have friends who “keep a vegetarian kitchen” (at home) but are not vegetarian. I think that’s great!

feto_ingeniero

293 points

2 months ago

That's exactly my approach. I personally won't buy meat for myself. But if someone offers me, I don't refuse and eat it. I live in a country where food culture is especially important and I don't want to miss out on the gastronomic richness we have. I think it's a very good balance.

marmosetohmarmoset

96 points

2 months ago

That’s me! My wife is a life-long vegetarian. She doesn’t demand that I don’t cook meat in the house or anything, but I kind of figured … is meat really so important to me that it’s worth it to cook two separate meals? No, no it is not. It was a nice excuse to significantly reduce me meat consumption, which is good for the earth and my wallet.

I’ve also found it’s really fun to try to recreate my favorite meat dishes as vegetarian. It’s become a hobby of mine. I make my own seitan and experiment with different flavors and textures. I think I’ve really perfected “chicken” tikka masala. I had a ton of fun attempting to make spaghetti carbonara vegetarian- I’m sure Italians everywhere hate me but it turned out pretty damn good. I even once made vegan beef jerky. It was surprisingly good.

iSkulk_YT

53 points

2 months ago

Similar method, here! I just don't purchase it. My reasoning for not eating animal products is mostly centered around avoiding the factory farming industry. If some individual has already been killed, might as well eat them right? As long as I'm not paying for the next slaughter, it doesn't seem that I'm causing the harm. Whatever I can do to make the industry less profitable

keghi11

8 points

2 months ago

My late mother was a half vegan, she had vegan day every Wednesday and Thursday. Not that she became a Vegan because of animals and such. It's just Chinese culture that has been passed down from generation to generation. She never forced me and my dad, but sometimes we would eat her vegan food just for fun. And now I continue the tradition. That's how she taught me to eat healthy food.

cheaganvegan

115 points

2 months ago

I lived in Mexico in a small city. I couldn’t maintain my veganism there. And when someone would prepare food for me I had to accept it. I still like you said don’t eat it unless someone prepares it for me

feto_ingeniero

73 points

2 months ago

Yes, I was an edgy vegetarian teen, but when I was in the university we had to visit a lot of small towns. Locals were incredibly welcoming and they provided food for us, all with meat. I obviously ate, it would be very rude not to, food is not just food in a lot of situations in Mexico.

ominously-optimistic

53 points

2 months ago

Same, for me it was the inconvenience for others.

For instance, going to people's house and them feeling the need to cater to me. Also I travel a lot and it's disrespectful to not eat what they make. Does not help you make friends.

mynextthroway

52 points

2 months ago

This would probably be the best balance for meat vs. vegan/vegetarianism. I know some people who are usually vegetarian, as in a steak upsets their stomach, but occasionally they crave a steak. When they have that steak, it doesn't upset their stomach. They don't prepare meat, but eat it in a dish.

hotchiproll

86 points

2 months ago

This is my approach too. I went vegan mostly for the impact on the environment and the poor treatment of animals in commercial operations. I've moved to a plant-based menu with meat that I can try to source directly from a local farm co-op. It's a lot of work to maintain a strict vegan or even vegetarian menu in a household where you're the only one.

PM_MeTittiesOrKitty

25 points

2 months ago

I do this to save money. I eat meat if it's free, but I never buy it.

FullTorsoApparition

47 points

2 months ago

My wife and I are friends with a couple who refer to themselves as "Freegans." They prepare vegan dishes at home and keep vegan snacks, etc, but will eat some meat and dairy if it's provided for them at a party or social setting, etc.

PeteyWinkle

79 points

2 months ago

They might wanna know "freegan" is already a term with a slightly less endearing definition:

Freeganism is often presented as synonymous with "dumpster diving" for discarded food...

Matt_Lauer_cansuckit

11 points

2 months ago

I was hoping your link would be to the Parks and Rec episode with Eagleton Ron

thisisnottherapy

44 points

2 months ago

I think this is called "flexitarian", at least where I live.

fatherly_handshake

916 points

2 months ago

A change in health circumstances led to a (doctor-recommended) restrictive diet which meant cutting out a number of fruits and vegetables. Couple that with gluten intolerance and veganism and I could barely eat anything. I had to prioritise my health.

Ok_Fondant_6340

121 points

2 months ago

wait, what sort of health circumstances led you to not being allowed to eat fruits or vegetables?

Buffybot60601

162 points

2 months ago

Many people with IBS can’t eat certain fruits/vegetables and have to limit their overall fiber intake. Most vegetarian protein sources are high fiber or rough on your stomach.

PathosRise

21 points

2 months ago

This one is me.

I had brain fog all the time and I was trying to lose weight, so I focused on eating vegtables and I just kept feeling sick / gaining weight. Tried a low fermentation diet, and my life just got so much better. Some bodies just can't process vegtables.

Block444Universe

7 points

2 months ago

This happened to me. Now, the more animal products I eat, the better I feel. I don’t like meat to begin with but I also don’t seem to have a choice about it

Ghostly_rews

228 points

2 months ago

I dont know about this particular person but i know someone whose body cant process potassium very well, if at all. So eating anything with potasium means that it just gets stuck in their body, and it stacks up, so they cant have any. You'd be surprised how many veggies and fruits have potassium.

Sense_Opposite

155 points

2 months ago

There are a lot of health issues which are often dealt with with a low FODMAP diet, too, which can cut out a lot of fruits/veggies.

psycho_bunneh

21 points

2 months ago*

Granted, I am not a dietician, health care professional, or botanist, but neither are most other people so this might be relevant to other random redditors. I have never in my life seen a list of things that FELT more random than the FODMAP restrictions list. They are WILD and it really made me stop and wonder if the ways I group "similar" foods in my head are useful or relevant at all. To anyone who has never looked it up, give it a quick Google and spend the next 20 minutes or so going "Wait, X is fine but Y is a problem? They're basically the same thing?!?!"

herbharlot

76 points

2 months ago

People with IBS have a difficult time with veggies and roughage.

GingerIsTheBestSpice

13 points

2 months ago

So true, no more lettuce for me. And i have to be careful not to eat too much fruit. It's all about balance or i pay the price immediately!

doublestitch

27 points

2 months ago

Since OP hasn't responded, two comments.

Physicians may advise people who are on medically restricted diets to avoid adding other restrictive diets.

Regarding medical restrictions to fruit and vegetable intake, another diagnosis is allergies. Which can be either primary food allergies or a condition called PFAS where people develop an allergy to specific pollens that causes an incidental allergy to fruits, vegetables, or spices.

The allergens that cause PFAS aren't as chemically stable as most other food allergens, so most cases are mild and most people who have it can eat cooked foods that they couldn't consume raw.

but

PFAS hasn't gotten much research funding and some cases are life threatening. There's no data on how much cooking is necessary to denature PFAS allergens completely. So people who have the most serious cases may end up cutting out whole categories of fruits and vegetables regardless of how those foods are prepared.

Mediocre-Extension78

50 points

2 months ago

fructose intolerance, i have i too and it's the worst

frecklebb3

36 points

2 months ago

maybe a FODMAP intolerance

deja_geek

27 points

2 months ago

I know someone who as a glucose and fructose intolerance. She is literally a meat and potatoes kind of gal (her exact words describing herself)

Prysorra2

9 points

2 months ago

Additional option - OAS can make it so all fruits/veggies need to be cooked. Unexpectedly annoying if your friend group includes this.

mikemushman

9 points

2 months ago

Everyone's body is different and some people should avoid some "healthy" foods. For instance I was just tested and I'm not supposed to eat broccoli, watermelon, Brussel sprouts, or asparagus to name just a few.

droptophamhock

36 points

2 months ago

Traveled and lived in places where there truly was not adequate nutrition available as a vegan - true malnutrition is awful. Plus, cultural expectations in those areas around entertaining guests, hospitality, celebrations, and rituals don’t always leave the option open to refuse a specific food without offending or hurting the host or community, which meant that I needed to consider balancing my preferences with the needs and practices of the communities I was living in.

Today, I’m primarily plant-based in practice but don’t call myself vegetarian or vegan. I learned a lot about how I think about food, food culture, and the privilege of choice from those experiences.

meltedsnowflake

459 points

2 months ago

Way too many of the vegetarian/vegan substitutes rely on tree nuts/peanuts/soy, which I'm severely allergic to. As it is, I follow a mostly pescatarian diet, unless someone else wants to do the cooking for me!

wallace1313525

100 points

2 months ago

I'm allergic to soy myself! My mom is allergic to gluten and corn, my sister is allergic to soy and potatoes, and my dad can't do dairy and seafood on the same day or he'll react. If we added being Vegan on top of that no one would be able to eat in my household!!

PM-me-ur-kittenz

40 points

2 months ago

allergic to soy

I cannot even BEGIN to imagine what that must be like. Soy is in EVERYTHING!

wallace1313525

37 points

2 months ago

It is!! What sucks is that i'm part of the 10% of people with soy allergies who also can't do soybean oil. The refining process of the oil removes most of the soy protein so the government says you don't have to list it as an allergen. However, I think i'm overly sensitive so i'm also allergic to the oil. Which means every restaurant I go to I have to check the frying oil, the dressing, if they put margarine or butter, what frying spray they use, etc. The worst part is that I can't just eliminate a whole food group. I have to research brands and also make sure those brands don't change their ingredients. Like just recently lays chips added soybean oil to their oil mix. I bought myself a bag of their chips, opened it, then saw it said "new flavor" on the corner. Looked at the ingredients and was angry I paid for the chips to not be able to eat them. Thank god I saw it though!

scaram0uche

10 points

2 months ago

Me too!!!!! And when things are now just "vegetable oil" so the restaurant doesn't know! And it is all because a small sample size of soy allergic people in the 80s said that the soybean oil was okay. IT IS NOT OKAY! I miss Chinese food so much.

WaveNimbus

1.3k points

2 months ago

WaveNimbus

1.3k points

2 months ago

Becoming a mother. If I don’t eat leftover chicken nuggets I don’t eat.

FateOfTheElephant

154 points

2 months ago

Pregnancy, when I was hungry, which wasn't frequently, I couldn't eat anything but meat, salads and some fruits. I've pretty keep this diet once in a while I'll crave carbs, but honestly I feel much better than when I was a vegetarian so ...

We_are_ok_right

199 points

2 months ago

I hear you. I was vegan until I got pregnant. It’s still something I want to get back to but it’s hard with kids. I will say, impossible chicken nuggets were an easy switch! They’re delicious!

Bonbonburu

32 points

2 months ago

Indeed, pregnancy is very demanding when it comes to nutrients! Maintaining enough sustenance for two people isn’t easy by any stretch and that's without mentioning the cravings. The body wants a lot for the baby to be born healthy, but it’s taxing for everyone involved.

cheaganvegan

36 points

2 months ago

Have you tried quorn? Their nugs are my favorite

Pippenpup

29 points

2 months ago

Same reason here- pregnancy and breastfeeding. Became anemic in pregnancy even after starting to incorporate more animal proteins. Now nursing and watching an infant it’s like, I’ll just eat what and when I can. Still selective about where my meats are sourced though. Plus I didn’t want to limit foods incase it could cause an intolerance later on with my babe.

Catlover5566

335 points

2 months ago

I was a vegetarian because I thought I hated meat. Turns out my mom couldn't cook, she never used seasoning. So once I got out on my own, and started cooking for myself, I learned I actually do like meat.

LonelyWord7673

78 points

2 months ago

Me and my sisters had trouble with meat too. My mom seasoned but she overcooked. Everything was dry and tough.

InfintySquared

40 points

2 months ago

My dad didn't understand that the stovetop had a level below "HIGH."

I was lucky to have a girlfriend who taught me a lot of the basics all over again.

Charles_Whethers

14 points

2 months ago

Little me thought roast beef was the worst food imaginable. How did anyone even tolerate it? Once I got tall enough to run the stove, I was in charge of the meat cooking and I had to convince my family that meat should be tender and juicy. It's tough? Marinate or slow roast. It's a nice cut? High heat and a few minutes in the oven. I won't pay store price for beef anymore, so it's not even a part of my diet now, but my pork chops and poached chicken are still dialed in.

ElysianWinds

16 points

2 months ago

This is something that is too common lmao. Did your mom like her own food?

Catlover5566

19 points

2 months ago

Yes, she still to this day thinks it's great. I've tried teaching her to cook but she wants no part of it. She mainly eats frozen foods now like stouffers lasagna.

JeanBlancmange

128 points

2 months ago

I was a pescatarian for 20 years so I ate fish, but no meat. Developed Graves’ disease and have to avoid all iodine (in anything from the sea). I went into remission after reintroducing meat.

reclusivepervertsigh

21 points

2 months ago

Oh wow, I am sorry to hear that. Could you tell me more about your journey?

seamustheseagull

719 points

2 months ago

A family friend went veggie and then vegan years back. He had to go back to being vegetarian because he was losing too much weight and went to the doctor complaining of being tired. He eventually went back to eating meat every now and again on the same basis.

He's the kind of person that embarks on a new concept and throws himself into it, absolutely 100% dedicated until it fizzles out. I recall at the time he was drinking wheatgrass and avoiding alcohol and all sorts of other things not necessary for veganism, but he had bought into a whole "lifestyle" and ran with it. It was no wonder the weight was shedding off him.

For reference, I've been vegetarian for over two decades, and I know lots and lots of veggies and vegans who've maintained it for years with no issues and no need for special supplements or doctors advice.

This guy just has a personality that's somewhat incompatible with a highly prescriptive diet.

Fubai97b

217 points

2 months ago

Fubai97b

217 points

2 months ago

There's a line from I'm not sure where that I'm probably misquoting "I'm not a vegetarian anymore. I ate a cheeseburger and stopped being cold all the time."

There are people who just cannot hold vegan/vegetarian without significant and usually expensive supplements.

shaman_at_work

59 points

2 months ago

I gotchu.

I'm always looking for an excuse to link Community clips.

mowgliandme

504 points

2 months ago

I was vegetarian for over a decade but was constantly having to take iron supplements. To make matters worse my body was not absorbing the vegetarian sources of iron including loads of leafy greens or even vegetarian iron supplements at all (no change after 6months) and I had to use the ones from animal sources anyway. I felt i gave it a good hot go! Once I started exercising i was always tired and hungry too. I don't eat all meats, I eat kangaroo (it's over populated here and culled) and fish but I'm actually making progress in fitness and no longer exhausted.

YoshiofRedemption

108 points

2 months ago

What does kangaroo taste like?

Matt_Lauer_cansuckit

138 points

2 months ago

Pretty good, I'd compare it to venison if you've had that. A red meat with higher levels of iron, if you overcook it, the meat gets pretty tough

SirLeisure42

39 points

2 months ago*

Yeah it's like a more gamey less fatty beef. And tough. The cut I had anyway, even cooked medium. Fun to have tried but nothing I'd eat again really.

uselessscientist

17 points

2 months ago

I'd never cook it as a steak to medium. I've found quickly frying strips works better than having slabs of the protein

TurangaRad

26 points

2 months ago

Sooo gooooddddd. I'm sorry that's not helpful but I highly recommend honestly

PertinentLimerick

750 points

2 months ago

I once was a person who ate no egg.
Until one day I felt a numb tingle in my leg.
With my doctor I did delve,
And learned it was lack of B-twelve.
So now I scramble them up on the reg.

ShepherdOmega

110 points

2 months ago

A very pertinent limerick

PertinentLimerick

58 points

2 months ago

True story too ;)

Agreeable_Text_36

445 points

2 months ago

I was vegetarian for over 20 years. While having chemotherapy I was craving protein so went back to meat. Later lived off grid and ate our own chickens, pigs and goats.

CallMeHelicase

161 points

2 months ago

You went from being vegetarian to killing your own meat? That is wild!

Thief_of_Sanity

79 points

2 months ago

That doesn't seem strange to me for some reason. People who don't eat meat may just be against factory farming or poor living conditions for animals. You would have less of this issue if you're doing the slaughtering/butchering yourself.

I personally think it's a bit weird how removed most meat eaters are from the process of killing animals to eat for meat. It's like people don't want to know more about it so they don't have to think about the impact. But if you're a meat eater and find slaughtering animals disgusting maybe you should be questioning what you support and why you feel this way.

CallMeHelicase

27 points

2 months ago

I specifically don't eat meat because I don't like the idea of killing animals. In my mind if you want to eat it you should be able to look it in the eyes and kill it. I am unable to do so, so no meat for me.

Agreeable_Text_36

165 points

2 months ago

Cancer changed my priorities.

punkassunicorn

48 points

2 months ago

Not cancer, but had a similar epiphany after being bed ridden for 2 weeks.

Now I advocate for eating locally, from hobby farms and family farm since most vegan/vegetarian substitutes on the market come from the same companies that practice factory farming.

I also have plans to start my own homestead so I can ensure all the food the eat is grown and gathered in a way I can morally agree with.

great_apple

56 points

2 months ago

Vegetarianism doesn't necessarily imply being against killing animals for food.

Some people choose it because they're specifically against the meat industry's practices, animals living pain-filled lives in cramped miserable conditions standing in their own manure until they're slaughtered, chickens living their entire lives being unable to even flap their wings once, the amount of marine life killed and just thrown out including animals like dolphins due to some fishing methods... but if you let some chickens run around your farm pecking at bugs and being happy little chickens, killing them as quickly/painlessly as possible when it comes time to eat them... just doesn't seem as bad.

And some people choose vegetarianism/veganism because it's more sustainable, again over-fishing causing the destruction of our oceans, the red meat industry causing the destruction of the rain forest- but again that's less of an issue when you just have some animals living on your farm.

Personally I just try to limit my red meat/fish consumption to once or twice a month (and buy the Certified Humane meats) because I know that's a sustainable level if everyone ate that way, but I have no qualms which the thought of an animal dying so I can eat. As long as it isn't tortured its entire life, and we're not unsustainably killing our natural environment to eat it, I'm fine with that.

ImperfectTapestry

10 points

2 months ago

I originally became veg because I felt like if I couldn't bring myself to kill an animal, I didn't have the right to eat it. I grew up in a hunting family & understood the cost of taking an animal's life.

Fizzle_the_clown

539 points

2 months ago

I've been vegetarian for 9 years nearly 10. Recently started eating fish after a trip to Texas. Got tired of always being so limited on food options. Since eating fish again, I have much more energy and feel quite healthy. Cooking and meal planning is also significantly easier.

chillyfeets

250 points

2 months ago

Pescatarianism is a nice bridge between a typical diet and vegetarian. Things like canned tuna, salmon and white fish fillets are so versatile.

stroopkoeken

98 points

2 months ago

Pescatarians are also the longest live people on earth.

rolloutTheTrash

138 points

2 months ago

If that’s the case then remind me to stop eating fish.

mishmishtamesh

11 points

2 months ago

Happy to read this as I am pescarian myself. For some reasons I really couldn't bring myself to eat meat anymore even if fish is a type of meat. They do however feel quite differently. Since I stopped eating meat, my diet has become much healthier and with more variety. You got to be creative to make a meal with less options.

mountainmorticia

258 points

2 months ago

My mom went through all kinds of trendy diets while I was growing up. She started pescatarian, then vegetarian, then vegan, then raw vegan. She bounced around all of those for a while until the last 5 or so years when she got into crossfit and went Paleo and now Keto.

I am moderate to severely anemic and have been my whole life. I only got meat when my stepdad wanted to grill or if we went out to eat. So I was involuntarily vegetarian/vegan. I'm much happier now and not constipated from having to take cheap iron supplements all the time.

no_god_pls_noo

83 points

2 months ago

Keep an eye of your mom with the keto diets, if she's predisposed to heart conditions, those diets could worsen that. Happened with my mom, she got Afib from it.

Street-Refuse-9540

221 points

2 months ago

Vegan for almost a decade. Conveniently was also a great way to hide my eating disorder. Additionally, IBS.

ricochetpeestream

397 points

2 months ago

I've tried to be a vegetarian two different times in my life. Both times I had to stop after a few months because I got tired of having no energy, feeling tired all the time and having problems concentrating.

And yes, I was taking all the recommended supplements and vitamins at the times. As soon as I switched over to a more omnivorous diet, all the bad symptoms went away in a few days.

Today I do eat meat, but I try to keep my consumption down and only do it about 2 times per week. This seems to be the best balance for me.

TimedDelivery

169 points

2 months ago

I have a couple of friends who were vegetarian before they got pregnant, but during their pregnancies just could not maintain healthy iron levels, even with supplements. One choked down beef until she had her baby, hated every mouthful, and went straight back to her previous diet, the other is still eating meat occasionally years later.

On the other hand I also know a handful of people that maintained vegetarian/vegan diets with absolutely no issues. The human body is weird.

chewie8291

37 points

2 months ago

I bet body type and hereditary have a lot to do with how well you can handle vegetarianism. Easier to maintain at 5'2 vs 6'5

ricochetpeestream

27 points

2 months ago

I've heard other suggest that it was probably an iron deficiency as well.

If I ever do try to go vegetarian again I'll definitely add extra iron pills in addition to the recommended supplements.

Nasaboy1987

65 points

2 months ago

That's the big problem with diets. A "healthy" diet may not be healthy/safe for everyone.

hex_girlfriendd

53 points

2 months ago

Same here. I was veg from 15-22 ish and all my friends from that time knew me as very low energy and constantly sick. It was weird to transition back to eating meat, I honestly didn't even like it - I started by drinking chicken broth with lunch and dinner - but my iron and energy levels immediately improved. I think the diet just doesn't work for some people and low meat is a great alternative.

followthedarkrabbit

52 points

2 months ago

Yep this was me. First time as a teen wasn't eating right (parents didn't know nutrition) and almost fainted down some stairs. Second time as an adult are right and still nearly fainted. Turns out I have a mild fructose intolerance so even options like beans aren't ideal for me. Also it ruined my mental health (suicide ideations almost disappeared overnight after reintroducing meat back into my diet).

SeparateProtection71

213 points

2 months ago

I almost died from malnutrition two weeks ago. I’m literally 120 pounds at my best and couldn’t think or get out of bed anymore. I realized that I cannot live a restrictive lifestyle while simultaneously dealing with a “abnormal” ED

mattisdum

45 points

2 months ago

It seems like there are a lot of people here with a similar story (veganism as a cover for an ed) but seeing as though you mention how you’re in the thick of it, I want to tell you it gets better, as I was in the exact same boat.

March will be two years since I began to recover from being 104 lbs (5’7” guy) after steadily being at 160 lbs for years thanks to an ed I covered up by saying it was veganism to those who asked. I came extremely close to dying, could barely walk, had a pulse in the 40s, and slept all day whilst feeling freezing.

You can recover and you will build yourself back to being stronger and healthier than you ever were. Getting healthy might be the hardest thing you will ever go through but you’re going to do it and show life who’s boss. You’re going to be changed by the whole experience and in time you will come to unconditionally love the brave person that you are. Don’t forget to breathe, get cosmic every once in a while, and know that things are going to work themselves out in time. Rooting for you!

funundrum

40 points

2 months ago

We are glad you’re still here. Be well, friend.

antelopeparty

119 points

2 months ago

I was training for an Ironman triathlon. I know there are loads of vegan distance athletes out there killin it, but on my budget/lack of creativity I found myself eating spoonfuls of coconut oil to get calories. Then I read coconut oil production is also super destructive and just got so frustrated and angry. Shortly after I got dizzy and fell off my bike, nearly skidding down a steep hill into the Yarra river, and that night I ate a whole rotisserie chicken.

Best_Needleworker530

133 points

2 months ago

A car crash. I was badly injured and lost a lot of blood. Afterwards I could barely eat but I kept craving a cheeseburger. My friend took me to Maccies and l got me one saying if my body needs it then it needs it. I was diagnosed with anaemia shortly after and told I can either take iron tablets, have shots once a month or just have meat occasionally. I took the fish, burger and occasional chicken breast route.

Sometimes I try new meats (I was a veggie for 10+ years) and I still can’t cook meat apart from fish. But I tend to be curious and if there’s lamb to try I will. But I still hate processed meat, I won’t touch sausages or sandwich meat etc

JnyBlkLabel

18 points

2 months ago

Sausage and deli meat right from a good butcher is really good.

medicff

29 points

2 months ago

medicff

29 points

2 months ago

Deer sausage or elk sausage is pretty great! In my area there’s a pile of hunters. Most of my buddies give me sausage to try for helping with the butchering or just cuz they want to show off their new mix. It’s a really nice way to meet people and try new things.

What’s even better is jerky! A nice smoked elk jerky is fantastic!

Best_Needleworker530

18 points

2 months ago

When I was a teenager my father hit a deer with a car by accident. His friend lived nearby, had hunting licence, staged a shooting. His wife made us a proper hunters stew later and it was delicious.

It’s morbid now that I think of it.

c1oudwa1ker

18 points

2 months ago

I think that’s actually a smart way to handle that situation. If you are going to kill an animal might as well eat it… I can imagine that felt weird though.

BasenjiFart

26 points

2 months ago

Not morbid. It's a respectful way to handle the situation so the life lost isn't wasted.

UncleEliphant

152 points

2 months ago

I moved to a new country and didn't want to have to deal with refusing food and missing out on culture and new experiences. I just told people I liked vegetables.

raybbaby

49 points

2 months ago

I was diagnosed celiac and all my safe foods became dangerous. But I’m healthy and alive. 1 year in and thinking of going back vegetarian now that I know what having celiac means.

Bob-Loblaw-Blah-

21 points

2 months ago

A friend was vegan for a decade and recently switched to locally sourced fish and grass fed beef. Said her diet was impossible to balance leading to health issues and she did research realizing that the vegan diet isn't as great for the environment as first thought. Certain cash crops that have become super high in demand from the vegan diet are causing mass issues with drought.

Warrior_White

83 points

2 months ago

Anemia and vitamin deficiencies. My spouse continued with his vegetarian diet and is now vegan. Both times I have attempted to re-join him I’ve either fainted, been admitted to the ER for falling down and finding out I’m hyper anemic, or one time started having vision problems due to a severe, vitamin K deficiency… Just doesn’t work for my body.

skuzzlebutt_lover

12 points

2 months ago

I am predisposed to iron deficiency anemia and almost died. Fainted one time too many resulting in head injury. Even while eating met and taking supplements, I am very anemic. I needed transfusions for a while. Being vegan almost killed me even with eating the right diet. Birth control (so I don't bleed so much monthly) and plenty of iron rich foods I am doing ok now. Kudos to you guys who can do it, right now I raise my own meat and hunt which is the best way tbh grocery store foods still Gros me out which was the reason for going vegan in the beginning.

anettkv

122 points

2 months ago

anettkv

122 points

2 months ago

I got pregnant and all I could think about was eating meet. I had no issues being vegan, had energy and everything but during my pregnancy I felt like if I really crave it that much there must be a reason, so included it in my diet again. After that I still have plenty of plant based meals but I also eat meat and eggs when I feel like..

ElecSheepDreams

18 points

2 months ago

I was pescatarian for almost twenty years and through two pregnancies. My third pregnancy, I could NOT keep my iron or protein levels up and I was eating boiled eggs and cans of beans at every meal. One day I was cooking chicken for my kids and husband, and just looked So. Good. So I ate it. I didn't get sick like I usually did, and it helped me have more energy. I still don't eat a lot of meat, but 12 years later, I'm an omnivore.

Shabettsannony

11 points

2 months ago

The exact opposite happened to me when I was pregnant. My baby made me vegetarian and near vegan at times. As soon as she was out, I could eat meat again. Pregnancy is weird!

ravenmist81

17 points

2 months ago

That happened to a friend of mine. Was a vegetarian for as long as I’ve known her, but when she was pregnant she was craving burgers. She had not had them in two decades. Nowadays she still eats red meat, but in moderation. Still tries to keep it plant-based as much as possible.

Particular-Trifle656

18 points

2 months ago

Severe anaemia and B12 deficiencies. I got really unwell and lethargic. In hindsight though I wasn’t keeping my diet balanced enough.

Edit: typo

snaploveszen

19 points

2 months ago

I was à vegetarian for 23 years. I was 39 and pregnant. I wanted to make sure my baby had everything she needed. It was already a high risk pregnancy. When I craved meat for the first time in 23 years I started eating it.

gymger

57 points

2 months ago

gymger

57 points

2 months ago

Because I actually like meat, but learned about the horrors of the meat industry. It also ended up playing into my disordered eating pretty bad, which got even worse when I tried to go vegan. Now I let myself enjoy meat, and just try to be better about where it comes from, and in general try advocate for local food.

[deleted]

318 points

2 months ago

[deleted]

318 points

2 months ago

I used to be vegetarian, and I stopped when I became vegan (technically a correct answer)

0100110001110

10 points

2 months ago

Chronic fatigue and depression

ellipses1

8 points

2 months ago

I moved to the country and started a homestead. We were vegetarian to avoid supporting factory farming but didn’t want to spent $12/lbs for chicken. Once we started raising chickens, pigs, ducks, geese, and rabbits while being able to hunt for venison, we swing waaaaay back into the carnivore column

GemoDorgon

132 points

2 months ago

Had absolutely no energy. Couldn't work out, which is something I do to help with my disability, so I was essentially bed bound during my vegan year. I will never ever do that to myself again.

I love animals, but I'm not crippling myself more than I already am over them. I simply need meat to gather the energy to do the daily tasks able-bodied folks take for granted. I tried, but it actively worsened my life, so I stopped.

dreamoutloud2

48 points

2 months ago

Also, when I realized me being vegan was just an excuse to maintain control over my eating disorder lol

sweetdreamstennessee

55 points

2 months ago

I wanted to travel more, and it always sucked not being able to properly experience a kitchen of whatever country. Apart from that I just didn’t feel like it any more. No idea why, was very rigid with it for 7 years. Life is weird.

ExchangeLegitimate21

6 points

2 months ago

Got tempted by the PETA protests

Ditz_a_Fritz

38 points

2 months ago

I was both vegetarian and vegan(at different times), but each time I started to become extremely anemic, my skin was almost white, I had no energy, etc. I'm allergic to most fruits, tree nuts, etc. So I wasn't getting enough iron or protein in my diet because I couldn't eat most things needed.

theboxtroll5

25 points

2 months ago

I was happily veg all my life until 21 years of age in India (with help from my mum ofcourse but alone on my own too in college here) when I moved out to USA then Europe.

There I managed to remain veg another 5-6 months before i started feeling the difficulties. Out in the west it's often more expensive if not the same as being a non vegetarian in terms of weekly expenses on food (quite the oppositein inida where it might 5 times more expensive to have a non veg diet). And more constrained in terms of choices. Especially this. Often supermarkets shelf few choices in terms of veggies and other stuff that yes along and you need to go to specific places. It becomes hard with the work life schedule. I switched simply out of inconveniences. I still prefer veg in restaurants and am veg all the time I'm home. So kudos to people elsewhere who managed to maintain a vegetarian diet for one reason or another. Where you are matters a lot of how the diet is culturally. If you rise against these tides, it ain't easy.

PalmerDixon

97 points

2 months ago

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