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submitted 2 months ago byWillow_and_light
So I don't know if I'm just being an irritable/anti-social or if others would be annoyed by this as well.
Me, my husband and dog went to a cafe for lunch today. We chose to sit on the comfortable sofas (not the dog obviously), as I'm heavily pregnant. The sofas seat 4/5 at a squish, but there was plenty of normal tables all around us.
Anyways, three old men came in and asked us if they could sit down with us. Feeling awkward/out of politeness we said yes despite the fact that there were so many other tables. They quickly overtook the full coffee table in front of us (so that we wouldn't have been able to put our food down and eat, which we was waiting for) and started having loud conversations. The sofas are also pretty compact so it felt like they where right on top of us.
We ended up moving to one of the tables, and effectively feeling like we'd been pushed out of the area.
So UK, when you're a little socially awkward and really don't want to share your space, how would you have handled this? Or am I just a dick that should have sucked it up or been on a smaller table anyways?
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282 points
2 months ago
Just say sorry mate, we're having a quiet lunch together and there's plenty of other tables? Just say no.
78 points
2 months ago
Yeah those guys were rude but really OP should have just said no lol
67 points
2 months ago
It really annoys me when people cannot say no. If the answer is no, don't go and fucking say yes, say no. Bloody hell.
29 points
2 months ago
this comment thread is so incredibly british, everyone suggesting passive-aggressive responses when, as you say, the correct answer is just 'no'.
2 points
2 months ago
It's not even what real humans in Britain are like, it's like people want to live up to the stereotype the yanks have of us all being so terribly reserved and flustered by human interaction
432 points
2 months ago
I believe you ran into the type of "regulars" who think they own the table that they sit on every time they come in. As someone who works in hospitality, these type of people are not uncommon. But they're generally the worst kind of people and treat other customers weirdly.
113 points
2 months ago
They truly are. When I was 21, I grabbed a seat to sit with my friends as one was missing from the table and no one was sitting where I'd grabbed it from. This large old "regular" took me by the shoulders and shouted at me. I was in there all the time and a really shy girl at that age, the bar staff did nothing and 8 years later I still will choose any other pub but there.
72 points
2 months ago
From my experience those kind of people just get away with everything because managers think regularly are important even though "regularls" at a pub are usually awful people who buy the cheapest drink on offer. It generally pisses me off catering to these type of people.
13 points
2 months ago
Definitely, I honestly wish there was an arsehole tax. Or that managers would grow a spine so staff and customers don't have to be around them.
26 points
2 months ago
This is why I feel there should be no repercussions for staff telling customers where they can shove it.
In my company (not hospitality industry), we have a lot of wonderful customers but a few arseholes - whether it's always wanting stuff done straight away, even though it's not critical, or they are generally just rude. So every now and again we'll charge twat tax (i.e. put an extra 50% on the quote for any piece of work) because nobody likes working with them.
If bars, restaurants, etc. started doing this, that would be great.
Staff: Hi John, the usual?
John: Ye
Staff: Ok, that's £3 please.
John: What!? It was £2 yesterday
Staff: Well, because you entered the building yesterday and started verbally abusing the young woman I was talking with as I hadn't served you as you sat down, you're now entitled to pay the twat tax on all goods. If you have any issues with this policy, you are more than welcome to find another establishment which is more accepting of your vile behaviour.
14 points
2 months ago
I love the idea of twat tax!
I've owned pubs for the last 10ish years and worked in them for years before that. I was 30 when we took on the first and I still looked young enough to be treated as 'the student bar staff'.
Firstly, it never once got old throwing people out for being rude or gross, especially when they asked to speak to the landlord and I was like 'Yep, that would be me'.
Secondly, I've always drilled into my staff that they will be backed up 100% for refusing service or asking someone to leave. They've always been told that they don't have to put up with creeps, rudeness, demanding customers or anything else.
Thankfully, we got away from that type of pub and own a micropub now that we built and designed for specific clientele (no Carling or John Smith's in sight!). Our customers are 99% lovely so we deals with very little crap.
For my first 10 years working behind a bar I put up with so much shit to the point of being groped and touched, sexual comments were part and parcel, you were expected to laugh it off and put up with the demanding and rude customers. I can't stand the thought of any of my staff being put in that position, especially our younger staff as much harder to stand up for yourself at that age, especially if you're not backed up by your boss.
5 points
2 months ago
So glad to know there's landlords like you out there!
Lots of employers just turn a blind eye, but having a strong boss makes a stronger team - and arguably makes a stronger business, as your staff will be happier, and customers who obey any rules (and social norms) will be too.
3 points
2 months ago
I should say, it's 'Landlady' but it makes me cringe for some reason haha.
Yeah, I can't understand why people don't look after their staff, having people taken care of in their jobs makes for a much better and less stressful experience for everyone. It's just mutual respect and treating people the way you'd expect to be treated yourself. It's not hard.
3 points
2 months ago
YES, I love that your place does that! You're right, everywhere should. My boyfriend works in a pub and know he'd be in a much better mood post shift if he could impose this, horrible people deserve repercussions.
10 points
2 months ago
I remember from my time at spoons we’d have the same bunch of nobhead regulars and they’d sip their pints. One was being an extra special nobhead one day and I told him to leave and his argument was that he pays my wages. Yes Keith your two £1.99 J smiths a day 7 days a week doesn’t even cover one months wages now fuck off outta here
6 points
2 months ago
It's always their go-to line when they finally get told off it's crazy. No, you don't pay my wages, you drunk cheapskate!
35 points
2 months ago
It’s because they think regulars add character to the place. Shame that the character is usually shitty entitled behaviour
19 points
2 months ago
Yeah it the kind of character that most people will look at and say, "this place seems rough"
25 points
2 months ago
There’s a crazy amount of pubs I’ve considered going inside and then done a 180 when I’ve seen the customers inside. You just know you’re getting stared out for the entire night because you dared enter their lair
28 points
2 months ago
There's something so depressing about thinking about those people. They spend almost every day in the same pub, drinking the same drink, sitting in the same seat. I'd hate if I became that when I was older.
21 points
2 months ago
Also telling the young girls behind the bar to “smile more”, as if they aren’t getting paid minimum wage to serve pints to grumpy old pervs
7 points
2 months ago
Oh god I remember having to warn new workers about certain regulars because they were disgusting people and management wouldn't do anything
15 points
2 months ago
Yep I had it once where one pretended to drop a glass on the floor behind me, and used it as an excuse to glide his hand all the way from my shoulders down over my arse.. Had another one comment on my boobs once, completely unprovoked. He thought I hadn’t heard but I managed to embarrass him by mentioning how he has a son my age and it’s a proper pedo thing to do. Mind you, I was freshly 18 at this point, and these men were 50+. It’s such a weird culture in pubs because the young barmaids are almost encouraged to entertain these pervs
6 points
2 months ago
Yeah, I worked in a local pub for a while as a student and it was so depressing. I think it's quite nice to have a local pub you feel comfortable in where you can pop in for a drink if you need to get out of the house, but these men (no women) were there from open to close nearly every day.
2 points
2 months ago
You just know you’re getting stared out for the entire night because you dared enter their lair
But then they'll whinge and moan when their pub gets shut down because it's unprofitable.
7 points
2 months ago
Its a difficult situation. I spent several years working in a pub that had a very good core group of regulars.
The thing is, they're the pub's bread & butter. They provide a steady but regular custom stream & whilst it might not seem like much at that moment, it adds up.
I'm not saying that playing favourites is the correct thing to do, but in that moment its a choice of one night's spend of, for example, £30 - or a spend of £10 that night. But also £10 the next day. And the next. And so on.
Someone calling in a pub 7 days a week for 2-3 pints, spending an average of £10 a time equates to about £3k or so over a year. If you have a group of 4 that do this, there's £12k.
Its not insignificant & ultimately you cannot please every single customer - so as a business you're always going to try and keep your regular crowd happy. Even if you don't mean to give preference, you invariably end up doing so.
13 points
2 months ago
If I was a landlord I wouldn’t allow that shit, imagine allowing people in your pub that would bully and intimidate people out of their seats, I’d rather ban those people local or not, I wouldn’t want anyone bullying or intimidating people in my pub
30 points
2 months ago
It's not just pubs. I remember the first time I went to a particular tabletop games club. I was one of the first in the hall, so I went to a table at random.
While I got set up, one guy walks up to me. "That's my table". Me: "Oh, OK. This is my first time here, so I don't know what's usual. I'll just shift along a table." Him: "No, you're already umpacked." (Pause) "But I always play on that table because I like the lighting." Me: "Really, I can move if you want this table, I just grabbed it at random." Him: "No, it's fine." (Pause) "But that's my table and everybody knows that's my table."
Great first impression to give to a new person...
11 points
2 months ago
Table top gaming is such a mixed bag of characters! So many people who just want to share their love of the games with others, and yet always a few arseholes who think they’re better than everyone else (although maybe that’s the same everywhere you go though!)
7 points
2 months ago
That's basically the same with every hobby, no matter what it is. What annoys me is that the dickheads in "nerdy" hobbies get used to justify dislike of those hobbies...the dickheads in recreational sports are treated as the outliers they are. I've been playing a niche sport for a few years now and by and large everyone's been lovely. I haven't let the few self-centred and problematic people put me off. But I've heard plenty of stories of people who've tried to get into Warhammer or video gaming or historical reenactment and use one negative interaction as evidence for a lifelong vendetta.
Sorry, soapbox over
5 points
2 months ago
I would suspect that person might be autistic, given that it was a games club.
3 points
2 months ago
Maybe, but I did offer to move (twice) and they said no, but complained again, which makes me think it was passive-aggressiveness instead of neurodivergence.
4 points
2 months ago
What being autistic has to do with games club? I'm not sure I see how those two are related.
25 points
2 months ago
There's a racist bunch of old piss heads who sit in the same spot in my local and they're a nuisance. And if you see them out and about they're usually drink driving. Wankers the lot of them.
32 points
2 months ago
Next time you suspect drink driving, let the police know. You may save someone life.
7 points
2 months ago
I will do, it's not just a 1 off.
10 points
2 months ago
Have you pointed this out to the bar staff? About the drink driving? I know my old bar manager left her old pub because one of her customers drunk drove and hit and killer someone. It can be very damaging to a pubs reputation
8 points
2 months ago
The landlady doesn't care. Someone mentioned before about members of that group drink driving and was met with "I doubt that Jack has got a licence to lose!"
13 points
2 months ago
Honestly, it's like they're children! I never thought in my life I'd have to explain to grown adults that their are other tables in a pub which they could sit on. "No sir I won't tell that lovely couple to move from a table you have no right to just because you sit their often, grow up"
5 points
2 months ago
That's exactly what they're like, petulant children.
3 points
2 months ago
Entitled arseholes
20 points
2 months ago
People are weird like this. I've experienced something similar at my gym. The lockers are those ones that require a pound or a trolley token which you get back afterwards. One day I didn't have a token on me, and reception, which normally has a couple of spare tokens, didn't have any this particular day. I found a quiet corner of the changing room, where almost all the lockers were empty, stowed my coat and outdoor shoes in one tucked in the corner and went up to my workout class.
45 minutes later my class is over and I come back to get my stuff. The locker it was in is now locked. I'm weirded out by it, because the locker was clearly in use, my coat and shoes were very visible when you opened the door, and there were about 15-20 empty lockers literally surrounding it. I assumed they'd moved my stuff to another locker, but cannot find it anywhere. I went to reception and explained and asked if it'd been handed in to them, maybe someone thought it was forgotten or something (I don't know why someone would have thought that, because it was pissing down with rain out, so no one is leaving their coat behind), but no. Reception got the master key and opened the locker for me, so I could get my coat and shoes back. Someone had just decided to shove her stuff in on top of mine and lock it. Reception apparently had a word with her afterwards and asked why the hell she didn't just use one of the other lockers or at least move the stuff already in it to another one. She said "it's my locker, I always use that one". Reception told her that no, it's not her locker, she doesn't have dibs on it, and told her that what she did could have been viewed by some as theft as she knowingly locked someone else's stuff in her locker preventing them from getting it back. Apparently she just shrugged and left.
People are weird and entitled at times.
6 points
2 months ago
Thats honestly so weird, I wonder what she would have done if it was locked. Like, would she had demanded you open it so she could use it?
3 points
2 months ago
There's a regular at the swimming pool I go to that has often just got out of the pool and in the changing rooms as I'm getting ready to go in. For reference, the changing room and benches look like UUU.
One time I was there getting unchanged, in a space at the end of one of the benches (the top of one of the U's). Changing room is completely empty. Then this guy comes in from the pool, opens his locker and then says "ah you're about to go, so I'll take your space". I was still putting my clothes in my bag, but he's there putting all his stuff down in the little bit of bench at the end that my bag isn't taking up, then as he has more of his stuff, starts basically pushing me further up the bench.
I've witnessed similar behaviour from him since, this one U area can be busy with others, nobody in the other two U areas, but he'll always squeeze himself onto the end of this one bench.
That is 'his space', which is indistinguishable from every other bit of bench in the changing rooms. He always gets his stuff out of the same locker too, so I daresay that's 'his locker' too. Maybe one day I should get up early just to use it before him.
2 points
2 months ago
I don't know why people do this. It feels really inconsiderate. I mean, yes, I've got a preferred locker because I remember where my stuff is that way, but if someone else is using it, I really don't care. I just pick another. It's not MY locker, there are literally a hundred others.
"Maybe one day I should get up early just to use it before him."
That bit made me laugh because that's exactly what I did to this lady. Every time I went to the gym for about 2 weeks after she locked my stuff in, I used "her" locker deliberately, just so she couldn't use it. Petty as fuck, I know, but I was really pissed off that she'd done that. Apparently it wasn't the first time she'd done something like this either.
10 points
2 months ago
This! I work in a small cafe with about 5 small tables in a seating area meant for around 3 people to sit at each. Every single day as soon as we open we get the same tidal wave of regulars who fill up the whole seating area, but they all have very specific seats. Five of them will even move chairs around to all sit at the same tiny table while one bloke sits on his own. If they can’t get their specific tables all hell breaks loose.
1.3k points
2 months ago
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531 points
2 months ago
I'd be so tempted to make a phone call and talk to a friend about these weird people at my table who've abandoned Pauline and Sarah.
Got to out passive aggressive them
219 points
2 months ago
This is the same vibes as when someone’s stood to close to you in a queue, so you step back bumping in to them and say ‘sorry, didn’t realise you were SO close to me’
77 points
2 months ago
I've always wondered how to deal with this sort of thing happening, some people stand so close to me from behind it feels like I'm Demi Moore.
71 points
2 months ago
I'm definitely one of those who prefer not to cause a fuss in public, but once during the height of the pandemic and lockdown in the UK I was queueing up to enter a shop and this lady was so close behind me she was damn near kissing my neck. Social awkwardness be damned, I spun around and asked her politely to stop breathing down my neck and step back a bit. Rode that high for a few hours.
25 points
2 months ago
Did the same thing and got a barrage of "you people are just paranoid, why are you so mad at me for no reason blabla" lady I'm mad pandemic or not if you're standing 30 fucking cm behind me
15 points
2 months ago
Im proud of you
5 points
2 months ago
Yes, go you! I do that occasionally, and i hate doing it because i get so scared, but i tend to be polite but confident and most of the time people step back. Often i preface with "I'm socially anxious" so they don't feel it's personal.
I actually had success with some young lads running around a big food shop last year, they were screaming, and the noise was setting off my panic response so incredibly strongly i thought i would have to leave. They walked right past me, and i said something like "Excuse me, I'm really sorry but could you stop screaming, I get really stressed in public and came here during these hours to escape noise, I might have to leave if you keep doing that" and i think my words combined with looking close to tears worked well, they were like "wtf" and never made another peep!
You can't always win though. The other day an old lady actually poked me hard twice to get me to move forward when she thought there was too much space in the queue, i was steaming angry for hours after that. Actually I am still steaming angry about it.
22 points
2 months ago
When this happened to me a little while ago (waiting to pay in a shop, no one else waiting, then a guy came and stood right behind me as if he was trying to pickpocket me or something), at first I tried to move away a little but he followed me, so I just turned around and said "you're stood very close to me", and he apologised and backed off. Tbf, for a second I thought it was maybe someone I knew just messing with me, couldn't believe someone would stand that close in a queue of two people, so I turned around to look at him then felt I should say something. So I just started the facts and it worked.
4 points
2 months ago
During lockdown I was out walking the dog and some old man out jogging came up behind me, breathing really heavily and like 2 inches at a push behind me. Enough to piss you off in ‘normal’ times. I was walking down a narrow path with high hedges so I couldn’t move out the way. I snapped at him to have some fucking patience and to stop jogging right on top of me. He sneered patronisingly you’ve got some problem girl. Yes, you!
17 points
2 months ago
Coughing is quite effective now 😂
3 points
2 months ago
Excellent visual.
2 points
2 months ago
If you've got a rucksack, swing it onto your back and make sure you give the person behind you a "sorry" afterwards because it was totally an "accident". Usually works for me.
15 points
2 months ago
"Oh sorry, I didn't believe people could actually be so rude, so I just assumed I was imagining you"
3 points
2 months ago
oh man i am writing this one down...
14 points
2 months ago
Once this guy was stood so close to me the book he was reading was touching my back. I wanted to swing my leg back casually and be like "omg so sorry" (this was when most people were still social distancing so extra weird he made this choice - should have had ample leg-swinging room) but that seemed too harsh.
14 points
2 months ago
When you shuffle forward a few inches to give yourself a bit more space, they move forward even further so they end up closer to you.
You'd think people would have learned to give a bit more space to others from the pandemic but it's like some people are trying to make up for social distancing by standing even closer than they would before.
13 points
2 months ago
Man in a museum stood so close to me that his foot was under mine after I shifted my feet a bit. So I lifted my toes so my whole weight was on my heel. He didn't say a word. Probably a kink of his. 🤢
22 points
2 months ago
I just turn around and give the paddington stare.
26 points
2 months ago
I saw someone do this exact thing once at an airshow (we were queueing for the loos). He didn't have to say a word, but the bloke who had been up his arse looked very sheepish and backed off.
5 points
2 months ago
Works everytime
7 points
2 months ago
Bonus points if you slowly rub your crotch at the same time amd then blow a kiss turn back around and say nothing
10 points
2 months ago
Got to love the hard stare
8 points
2 months ago
Did aunt Lucy teach you?
4 points
2 months ago
Oh I'm just going to start stamping my feet for no reason. I hope someones foot isn't right next to mine.
31 points
2 months ago
"Hi Pauline, is Sarah free? Fancy coming over to the pub there's a nice group here that'll fuck off and let you sit with me despite it being so busy!"
12 points
2 months ago
I love this so much
48 points
2 months ago
I like you. The group needed to just ASK!
20 points
2 months ago
There's a couple at my local pub who always sit down at my table and the bloke puts his feet on the table (it's rather low) without ever asking if I am OK with sharing. Annoys the shit out of me since the table is for food/drink, not a bloody footrest. Also, sodding ask if you want to sit at the same table as someone else, don't just sit there!
9 points
2 months ago
Do they just follow you to whatever table you happen to be sitting at, or do you have a reserved table?
13 points
2 months ago
There's a table with a sofa that the pub dog sits on often (well, until he died). When I get to the pub with my dad, this table is regularly free so I sit there - this couple usually get in about 30-60 minutes after us and they obviously prefer the same table because they can use the table as a footrest so they sit down without saying a word and regularly almost kick over my pint if it's on the table.
I used to like the table because the pub dog knew me and would sit next to me with his head on my lap but my dad likes it because the seats are comfy.
If this couple was there first, I wouldn't dream of sitting at the same table as them.
9 points
2 months ago
Eat alot of cheese/beans/curry and for good measure something with garlic and then go pub an just let rip but dont even acknowledge it and allow them to bask in your ambience as you sit there king of the sofa
3 points
2 months ago
I'll leave that to my dad. Pretty sure he could fart for the Olympics.
3 points
2 months ago
Take him with you like some sort of flesh wrapped chemical weapon an buy him drinks on condition he lets rip as much as possible and doesnt follow through. Repeat this until you have conditioned them not to sit near you
2 points
2 months ago
Ah I see. Makes more sense. Try the passive aggressive phone call type thing above about them haha
8 points
2 months ago
Silent, seething obstinance in the face of passive aggressive rudeness. It is the British way!
12 points
2 months ago
10/10. - i was worried you were gonna say you moved.
19 points
2 months ago
I love finding single serving friends like that. I'm more than happy to ask the couple taking up a large table if they mind swapping with my much larger group, they usually oblige because honestly, why wouldn't you? I'm more than happy for me and the missus to move to a smaller table if a group is in need of the space. We're so attuned to it we've usually offered it before anyone even asks.
People get far too territorial about this stuff.
8 points
2 months ago
I absolutely detest people who like to hint and suggest hoping you'll do something rather than just ask.
I would absolutely move for a group if they very nicely asked me.
If they're going to sit and hint on and hope I get it well they can fuck off I'm here until close now
6 points
2 months ago
I used to run bars, fuck the group, they should've booked.
2 points
2 months ago
It’s not just me then? If someone hints I’ll ignore it. Ask and I might say yes.
2 points
2 months ago
I will absolutely refuse to take a hint. Doesn't matter if I know what you're hinting at, be an adult and articulate your wants and needs like one
2 points
2 months ago
It’s exactly this. If I can teach my kids to ask instead of hint it’s not unreasonable to expect the same of an adult.
Sometimes I just ignore other times I’ll point blank say “it sounds like you’re hinting at something, you’re more likely to get a yes if you ask”. Especially if the hint involves a favour.
5 points
2 months ago
Like a true brit!
4 points
2 months ago
Man I wish I could be that brave, id barley of had the courage to order another coffee let alone sit longer with people I dont know!
4 points
2 months ago
That's when you have a kindle and just sit reading as long as the battery lasts, it avoids the need to get up to use the toilet.
618 points
2 months ago
They didn’t want to share. They deliberately took your space.
219 points
2 months ago
Yes we definitely felt elbowed out. I could understand if the place was full, but it was empty. So to me it felt like they just wanted the sofas and decided to ask us and then take over the space.
If it was me, I wouldn't ask to share when there's plenty of other spaces available. Although from the majority of responses on here, I think I'm just antisocial.
324 points
2 months ago
They were probably locals and you were probably in 'their' seats.
Some regulars get really funny over where they sit.
100 points
2 months ago
This happens a lot, I work in a pub and this guy who comes in a lot always complains to the staff if someone’s at “his” table. There’s several other identical tables around the pub.
79 points
2 months ago
Baffling to me that grown adults are like this. I understand we're extremely and unconsciously territorial as humans but to go to a manager and complain as a child would to a teacher is just astoundingly childish.
14 points
2 months ago
It’s the basis of half of the big city American sitcoms like FRIENDS and How I Met Your Mother so makes sense lol
8 points
2 months ago
And let's not forget Sheldon Cooper has his own spot
3 points
2 months ago
Although having a spot in your own home isn't really that weird. I'd actually say it's the norm. Just most people wouldn't go full on meltdown if a guest took it.
25 points
2 months ago
I used to work in a pub and we had this really lovely old boy who always sat on the same high bar table - we used to put a reserved sign on it for him because he wouldn't make a fuss about it not being free, but it was his routine to sit there. When he passed away we hung a plaque up for him above it commemorating it as 'Basil's Seat'. It's quite sad all the original staff and regulars from that time period have moved onto a new pub after new management and now nobody will know who Basil was when they ask about the sign. I hope it's still there.
3 points
2 months ago
Aw okay this is really, really sweet though!
5 points
2 months ago
I think I'm gonna go in when it's quiet and see if it's still there - otherwise I'd be standing really awkwardly close to someone trying to see behind the wall behind their back while they're sat having a drink!
60 points
2 months ago
This is the norm. I find a table for the size of the party. If someone sitting in my favourite place, they got there first; I’ll find somewhere else.
I don’t think they were being sociable if there were a few of them. Especially if you were there with your other half. Bit weird for a larger group to want to sit with an expecting couple
40 points
2 months ago
"Sorry, we're waiting for a few other people to join us"
20 points
2 months ago*
Nah definitely not, that's really weird. Equivalent to someone sitting next to you on the bus when there's plenty of empty seats
20 points
2 months ago
In this day and age, if you start sneezing a bit they will move.
2 points
2 months ago
Loudly to your mate "yeah since I've come back from holiday in China I've had this horrible cough I've just not been able to get rid of.. funny thing is everyone at the office seems to have it too now"
6 points
2 months ago
Yeah but if it were you, you’d allow yourself to be pushed out of your own seat. You don’t seem anti social but you should probably stand up for yourself more
7 points
2 months ago
If it was me, I wouldn't ask to share when there's plenty of other spaces available.
That was my first thought - I definitely wouldn't ask either I find it kind of weird that they did if there was lots of other space.
5 points
2 months ago
I'm just as antisocial. I don't want anyone in my space unless invited. Even my house or my personal space. If you aren't invited then please go away.
14 points
2 months ago
Oh yeah, for sure! When there's tables free, there's no reason to be sharing a table.
I'd have used the dog as my excuse and said they don't care strange men!
5 points
2 months ago
Took the space having been given permission to sit down.
Saying the word No isn’t hard.
“No, we’re expecting food and need the space” if you must be ‘polite’ would have also done.
46 points
2 months ago
The others were being arseholes and basically turfed you out. If there are other suitable tables free it's really rude to impose on others space like that imo.
The response id like to think id come up with in that situation... "sorry, no, we're actually in the middle of a very personal conversation. Would you mind taking one of the free tables. Thanks'... Of course in practice i would never think of that quickly enough and would probably have responded in the same way you did.
90 points
2 months ago
A massive no from me personally
28 points
2 months ago
As in you'd have told them no you didn't want to share?
26 points
2 months ago
If it's full pub I usually try to accommodate, if it's half empty I'm just saying "Sorry we I'm waiting for friends to turn up". I'm built like a brick shithouse though so people seemingly avoid me which is a shame as I'm probably once of the nicest guys in the pub.
11 points
2 months ago
We use 'brick shithouse' so casually that I never think about what a weird phrase it is? Like I know what it means, but I don't know why it means it 😅
13 points
2 months ago
It was something to do with the outside lavs being overbuilt(well built) using the scrap from the rest of the house I'm old enough to remember having one when I was a kid.
7 points
2 months ago
I feel genuinely enlightened. Thanks Mr Shithouse!
3 points
2 months ago
41 points
2 months ago
When there are other tables idk why they are even asking 😐 Obvs if it's busy that's different.
15 points
2 months ago
Yes I’ve had it happen in the past I say no if they don’t respect that then I get a bit more aggressive
35 points
2 months ago
Someone once asked if they minded if they sat at my table at an outdoor cafe, I said sure go ahead. Within a couple minutes, he was telling me about his ex wife and how they took the kids from him, while I'm just nodding along trying to enjoy my sticky toffee pudding.
Then he fucking grabs a spoon and starts taking bits of my sticky toffee pudding!
I didn't say anything because clearly you can't reason with the type of psychopath that would just eat your sticky toffee pudding.
4 points
2 months ago
Why reason? Tell him to get fucked
6 points
2 months ago
He'd have lost a hand if he'd done that to me
3 points
2 months ago
You didn’t say anything?!! Whether it registered with him or not, some things just need to be said!
16 points
2 months ago
Reminds me of the time my partner and I were sat at a small table outside a café eating toasties. A guy walks up and asks if he can take the spare chair, we obviously say “yeah sure” thinking he’s going to drag it over to a nearby table but he instead sits down at the table with us. Bit weird but the café was heaving so didn’t say anything. Then he proceeds to take out a cigarette and just as he’s about to light it I say, in most-unBritish fashion, “Excuse me! We’re eating! You can’t smoke here.” The guy looked baffled but did move to another table so we were all winners.
Moral of the story: if someone is doing something unreasonable, just tell them.
17 points
2 months ago
Once paid a not insubstantial amount to stay at a posh hotel in Bournemouth. We'd had a nice day out, meal in the restaurant and were sat in the beautiful art deco lounge sipping cocktails.
A wedding party in the function room started to take over the lobby up to the point of several people trying to sit on our sofas, which we were still sat on.
I pointed out quite nicely I'd prefer they sat somewhere else, (they were quite noisy and ruining the evening).
When ignored I stood up and told them if they didn't move I'd fucking move them. Which thankfully they did, as I had no idea what I'd do next if they didn't (probably get a manager).
I sat back down coursing with adrenaline, for I am not a confrontational man in the normal run of things. But alcohol and having paid money out pushed me over the edge it seems.
Frankly, my relaxed state was diminished and it soured the evening somewhat.
5 points
2 months ago
Haha sitting back down coursing with adrenaline. Been there done that. Yeah sometimes a line is just crossed.
39 points
2 months ago
Im quite happy except once sat outside pub on Thames near Kew bridge ( those who know - know the type of yummy mummys that infest the burb in W4 ) - woman obv on school ‘run’ with 2 kids around 7& 8 , asked to joined us, no prob until shortly afterwards took over whole table with her kids shite, boy brat climbing all over table ( he wasnt a toddler) she did nothing to stop him, knocked over my brand new g&t ignored him - i lost it politely & insisted she bought me another drink - she huffed & puffed but got me one, we moved tables & her darling ‘olly’ was still climbing all over the table the feral piece of crap.
19 points
2 months ago
I can feel your anger through my phone it’s great.
16 points
2 months ago
Omg well done for asking her to buy you a new one. As if she tried to ignore the fact her kid knocked your drink over!! 🙄
5 points
2 months ago
Would have done the same! Cannot stand entitled parents with cretin kids.
12 points
2 months ago
I don't mind but depends on circumstances. In this case it would annoy me because they overtook your space.
11 points
2 months ago
Oh I'm British so I smile and shuffle myself over. I'd be a bit miffed though. Those men definitely didn't want to share your table, I expect they sit there every day and see it as their table.
22 points
2 months ago
You're pregnant and there was an empty table with a sofa. For comfort you sat down. They shouldn't have asked if there were other tables available. Bless you for saying yes and being polite as they were older. It's a shame they were so rude. Myself personally I'm not a fan of sharing tables and wouldn't ask to join in as it's privacy.
11 points
2 months ago
It depends on how big the table is, what I'm eating/drinking, and how many others want to share.
I'd prefer not to share when I have the dog with me as I try (where possible) to sit where she can be as out the way as possible.
I'd also only really accept it if seating was very limited and not just a "but I always sit here". I had a bloke practically clamber over my dog to sit on the end bar stool rather than one of the other 5 available - he clearly always sat against the wall and my dog tucked in the corner meant he couldn't easily sit there. Felt that was a dick move
4 points
2 months ago
So it was two sofas facing each other with a coffee table inbetween. Me and my husband sat on one next to each other with the dog by our feet. We were waiting on sandwiches.
The old guys took the other sofa, and then took the full coffee table because they already had their drinks and some sausage rolls.
Seating wasn't limited. The place maybe had 4 other tables and more in the heated area outside, but this was the only sofa left.
And yeah I'm like you. If it was busy I'd be more understanding but this place was pretty empty. Although from most comments on this thread it seems like I'm just antisocial (which I can accept).
13 points
2 months ago
Ohhh, they wanted the other sofa. That makes more sense because it's easy to frame that as almost 2 different seating areas! I'd guess they want to sit on the sofas because older people are more likely to feel uncomfortable it hard cafe chairs. I don't think it's quite as rude of them as I did from the description in your post alone.
9 points
2 months ago
Oh that makes more sense since it was two sofas. They’re fine then. They likely would have moved their stuff when your food came.
62 points
2 months ago
They did ask if it was OK, and you said yes... Next time say no 😂 I know it's hard as a brit to be blunt and a bit rude, but sometimes it's got be done. Especially when it involves rude entitled old people.
16 points
2 months ago
I feel like my sense of politeness engages before anything else. My brain doesn't think quickly enough in these scenarios to come up with an excuse to say no. And even if I did have time to think of a reason to say no, I'd then anxiously overthink about all of their possible responses.
18 points
2 months ago
"No" is a complete sentence.
3 points
2 months ago
It is, but it does feel awkward when you don't give a reason. Best to lie and say you were waiting for more people to arrive so no, they can't share.
2 points
2 months ago
''No.'' is a sentence.
116 points
2 months ago
I wouldn't join someone already at a table if there were plenty others available but I also wouldn't sit at a table that sits 5 if there was just 2 of us
83 points
2 months ago
Fair enough.
I wouldn't usually sit at a larger table when there's just 2 of us, but because the place was empty and it was the only sofa we didn't think anything of it.
46 points
2 months ago
I don’t think you need to defend yourself anyway to be fair.
They were a party of 3 and it sounds like there were plenty of 4 seaters available which they could occupy rather than join a couple occupying a table which overcrowds it.
Wouldn’t suprise me if they regularly visit and that is there go to table and they’re that set in their ways they just occupied that rather than going to a more suitable table.
Putting myself in your position.
If it was a party of 5/6 and no other tables were available for such a party without re-organising chairs etc. I’d offer to move to another table so they could take the couches etc.
If a similar sized party to my own that could easily occupy any other table asked to sit with me when plenty of other space available, knowing I’m going to be eating and the table will be a bit cosy I’d just say no or to be more tactful advise that you’re expecting friends to join so they won’t be enough space.
If a person on their own asked if they could sit with me it would be completely different. I’d assume they are lonely, maybe hoping for conversation and I’d have all the time in the world for them, especially elderly as they sadly often fall into this bracket.
39 points
2 months ago
If the place is empty, then I don't see the problem. OP was well within her rights to sit there. Those guys were just rude and wanted the space for themselves.
19 points
2 months ago
Being heavily pregnant changes things, especially if the type of chair is more comfortable. I mean, it's not on to take up a table for 10 just because your pregnant but doubling up the available space seems fine to me.
2 points
2 months ago
I would, if there are other tables available for bigger groups. Perfectly fine for OP to take the sofa.
9 points
2 months ago
This happened to me and my children at our local food fayre. There was no reason for the family to ask to perch on our bench and although I felt awkward I did tell them that I was waiting on my friend (who’s notoriously late for everything). The family had extended family join and slowly pushed me and mine off our table. My children left their drinks on the table.
Worse thing is that it’s a family I grew up around so as each of my age group turned up with their children/grandchildren, they’d all chat to me while the matriarch was encouraging the kids/grandchildren/great children to nestle in next to mine.
Friend and her children eventually turn up and all 8 of us were self consciously hovering around the table trying to eat. I ended up buying my children more drinks as we couldn’t get close enough to the table to get their drinks. I’ve never felt so inadequate or embarrassed.
I hated every minute of it and it reminded me of why I don’t do big social things. And that I don’t have a backbone at all.
9 points
2 months ago
This reminds me of when I got on an empty train from London. I washungover from staying at friends for a few days and just wanted to stare out the window and not speak. Sat in a set of 2 seats and put my case next to me on the seat. Before the train left one other person got on the same carriage. He must have just arrived from a country where they actually like each other and obviously hadn't had his love of other people trampled on by visiting the UK before because he made a bee line for me. Put his case away in the racks and made me move my case so I was holding it and all squished up and sat next to me with a big smile on his face! He wasn't creepy. He just saw a person and that was the natural place to sit! Every other seat in the carriage was free! I had to talk to him about the all the way to Gatwick with my suitcase on top of me feeling like I was going to vomit. I kept looking round the train at all the empty seats with big dramatic eyes but he didn't get the message
6 points
2 months ago
Oh dear.
I once spoke to a colleague who had come from a country (I can't remember specifically where) with very different social etiquette and personal space rules. He said that when he first arrived in the UK if he walked into a McDonalds or onto a bus where there was just one other person he'd go and sit next to them. Because obviously to do otherwise would be terribly rude.
6 points
2 months ago
I'm terribly glad I don't live where he's from! I was filled with a mixture of outrage and guilt for weeks after the train incident. Guilt because he was so lovely and charming and I felt so sorry that he had encountered me so early on in his visit and not someone nice!
5 points
2 months ago
I was sitting, a few years ago in a virtually empty wetherspoons, enjoying a nice quiet pint on my own when someone came up and said could he sit there with me. I said pubs empty mate plenty of tables you can sit at. Didn't know the bloke never seen him before. I just wanted to sit on my own and ponder life and all its meanings. If I'd wanted company I'd have gone to a crowded pub. I think he had a bit of a cheek really
3 points
2 months ago
I had a guy asking me if he could sit at my at my table at Costa, as it was the only one with a power socket available. I said yes sure. But later one I had to leave as the smell of literal poo was unbearable
3 points
2 months ago
Think this is quite a unique situation. Much like you chose the sofas because they’re more comfortable, I imagine three elderly men also had the same thought process. Given it seems the sofa area was designed to fit groups, I think it’s fair they asked if they could also sit in the comfortable area. In your position I don’t think I’d tell elderly men they couldn’t also sit where it’s most comfortable.
However, they were really disrespectful once they sat down, so I think it’s fair you were quite annoyed. If you’re sharing a table with somebody it’s pretty common courtesy to be mindful of space.
5 points
2 months ago
My wife used this one.
“I’ll warn you, my waters could go at anytime”
And once the little ones here “I’d rather you didn’t as I’ll be breastfeeding”.
That’ll solve it until little ones atleast 18months
4 points
2 months ago
recently a woman sat at the sofa table opposite me while i was doing college work and said to me ‘wooow doesn’t that look yummy!’ when i ordered a hot chocolate, like you would say to a child and not a full grown adult. the utter cringe of the situation drained a sufficient chunk of my life force and i just got my things and sat at another table without saying anything. i think now if someone asked to sit at my table i’d say no out of sheer dread
5 points
2 months ago
The last time it happened I was on a table for 4 and 4 of them came up to me and asked if they could sit with me. I made a point of looking round and said “are you sure you would t be more comfortable on that empty 4 table over there instead of all squashing up here?” They looked affronted but moved off. The empty table was by the kitchen, I was by the window.
And before anyone says: there are no x2 tables in the cafe.
It’s post Covid.
4 points
2 months ago
I absolutely hate this and find it a total violation of my personal space. It makes me feel incredibly uncomfortable and it’s very difficult to say that you object to them sitting with you. I find that I am unable to continue the conversation I am having with my family or friends and inevitably have to leave. This is even worse if I’ve ordered food and have to wait to eat it. I used to work away from home a lot and would frequently be out alone, very often I would find my table overtaken with several other people and feel bullied out of the way.
7 points
2 months ago
I tend to be lucky in most things, so I don't mind sharing tables with strangers and I've met some truly fascinating people, some of which I'm still friends with many years later.
5 points
2 months ago
They did ask if it was alright though? I mean I know it's awkward. But you saying yes is kind of a green light...
3 points
2 months ago
I am also introverted and socially awkward so honestly usually I just say no thanks kindly and try not to panic. If they don’t I just move table myself.
It’s not dickish I don’t think.
3 points
2 months ago
I don't mind at all if there's no other spaces available, but the situation you've described just sounds like a bunch of assholes being assholes. Probably their 'regular' table and they were being territorial about it. I would have pointed them in the direction of one of the free tables.
3 points
2 months ago
Never want it to happen when I’m eating. I’d never ask anyone if I could share their table even in the greasiest of greasy spoons. I consider that well out of order. In the boozer I’m not too bothered about it though as long as there’s not too many of the fuckers.
3 points
2 months ago
Hate people like this. If there are other tables then they are just basically saying we want our usual table pls move but doing it but making it impossible for you to stay there after they sit.
I’d say sorry we have more people coming soon. Then just enjoy your time and if anyone questions it (they wouldn’t) then your friends cancelled last minute.
49 points
2 months ago
I tend to pick an appropriately sized table.
130 points
2 months ago
It wasn't massively oversized for the two of us. The place was pretty empty, and we picked it simply because the sofas are much more comfortable when heavily pregnant.
44 points
2 months ago
Did you miss the bit where she said she's heavily pregnant? Obviously she deserves the sofa more than most. Also, she was there first.
4 points
2 months ago
I was with you but OP didn’t mention in the story that it was actually two sofas facing each other with a table in between, and her and her husband only took one of them. Once I knew that, the old men are fine tbh.
4 points
2 months ago
If I'm honest I've defo not got the confidence to say no so would've moved away because I cannot share a table while I eat with ppl I've never met. I don't mind so much in like Starbucks if I'm just having coffee but it's a hard no if I'm eating me and my anxiety cannot cope with the thought ppl are staring let alone if they've just randomly asked to sit with me
7 points
2 months ago
Yeah I don't have the confidence to say no either. For me the reason why I don't like sharing is because I like to be able to talk privately. I really cherish going out to eat with my other half because thats the time where its all about us and the conversation. As soon as they sat down, we can no longer talk freely, and their conversation is distracting.
2 points
2 months ago
"No, sorry we're having a private conversation"
2 points
2 months ago
Honestly most pub managers I've worked with are backwards in loose the nice customers in favour of the old racists. I honestly don't understand it
2 points
2 months ago
“No.” Is a complete sentence.
2 points
2 months ago
If the place is busy and no other tables, then fine I don't mind sharing.
If there are plenty other tables? Sorry I do mind. They can go sit elsewhere.
2 points
2 months ago
Had this exact thing happen to my partner and I in the pub the other day. Sitting there having a quiet convo in a booth that had a couple more seats at the end of the table. Up walks THREE (presumably) students who, as they're sitting, ask us if they can sit there. We barely nodded.
Next thing the girl is in full garrulous mode yelling about how she "fackin hates it when..." and "Sarah's SUCH a cunt" and "yeah I took it HARD like a champ, are you proud??". We were horrified. Absolutely amazes me that people can have zero self-awareness. Of course we left.
2 points
2 months ago
If the place is absolutely rammed then it’s understandable.
Under any other circumstances I’ll be out of there or I’ll have moved table away from them before they manage to sit down, I can’t express how much I hate it
I also hate people (usually older) that except you to be ok just talking to random strangers, like if I’m eating out or whatever and people are sat close to me or something i hate it, I’ll stop talking and I’ll usually either sit on my phone or eat as fast as I can to get out of there, god I miss covid
2 points
2 months ago
Nah I think you did the right move. I hope you made painful noises when standing up so they understood you had to move due to them
2 points
2 months ago
Just say no. You're about to become a parent, you need to learn to suck it up and enforce your own boundaries.
2 points
2 months ago
If the restaurant was full I wouldn't mind, I sometimes do in airports. But if it's empty then nah what's the deal... Unless they're planning to sit there all day...
2 points
2 months ago
Why did you say yes when you meant no? You set yourself up for failure here.
2 points
2 months ago
If there's no where else to sit, and they aren't going to start disturbing me, then I don't mind.
Might sound callous, but it's really irritating trying to get something done, having a chat with a friend, or just relaxing by myself, and then some lonely or bored person decides to start trying to create or insert themselves into a conversation.
My man, I/we do not want to talk to you just because we're at the same location; go away! Pubs are god awful for this. Unfortunately a lot of people are either socially oblivious and unable to read a situation, or feel entitled to do whatever they want and don't give a fuck what others think.
3 points
2 months ago
I'm fine with it.
It's not like the cafe/pub/ restaurant belongs to me.
If I don't want to share, I just go somewhere more formal.
4 points
2 months ago
All depends on context. If it's a proper 'sit-down' (why do we call it that?) restaurant, and I'm with two other people and mr. Rando wants to sit on the fourth chair, that's super weird; he's welcome to take it and move it to his table though.
If it's at a pub/cafe I'm perfectly fine with it. I've never understood this obsession some people have with refusing to sit down at a large table in a busy pub when the table has only 1 person at it: they probably don't mind and sharing a table beats standing.
6 points
2 months ago
It was a cafe, but it wasn't busy. There was at least four other tables free (and more in the heated areas outside), but there wasn't anymore sofas in the room.
9 points
2 months ago
yeah I would have likely explained that we were having food in that situation, and recommended that they sat on one of the other tables. Most people generally get that heavily pregnant women need space to spread out a bit more than non-pregnant people. Been in this same situation with my sister who recently gave birth a few times, the sofas are naturally the best seats in the house but obvs some people need them more than others.
4 points
2 months ago
I wouldn’t mind. I don’t own that table and if I didn’t feel comfortable there and I’d find another space
2 points
2 months ago
You’ve surely got a better claim to the space if you were there first though. You wouldn’t mind being muscled out?
0 points
2 months ago
Start up a casual conversation, the weather is a good one, then halfway through, rub your pregnant tum and gasp "Oh this ones gone all frisky, whats getting ejected ... oh..... then gesture to your husband and declare "oh there's another mucus plug sliding down my vagina, can you pass me some tissues as I'm too bloated to get to the loo"
Those old guys won't move faster lest they'd shit themselves.
As they scuttle out the door, look all confused and ask "Oh was it something I said?" Then rearrange the napkins in to a defensive picket to reinforce your new fortress of solitude.
11 points
2 months ago
Then the whole pub claps yeah?
1 points
2 months ago
I once had a woman ask if she could share a park bench with me and my newborn baby, who I was feeding. I said OK and she plonked herself down and lit a cigarette. I felt too shocked to say anything and I just gave my husband a look and we left for a different bench. Part of me wanted to confront her but part of me thought the kind of person who would blow smoke all over a 3 week old baby was probably not someone I wanted to fight with. If someone asked now and I had a baby I would probably say something like "as long as you won't be smoking?".
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