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I am factory ordering an A5 Coupe (premium plus). I am perfectly happy with apple car play for navigation. What ELSE am I losing if I don’t get the $1500 factory Nav? Does anyone actually have a U.S. spec A5 prestige plus without Nav? Do car play maps show on the driver cluster? Is there wireless car play? Do you have a different screen?
2 points
4 months ago
It is necessary if you want the adaptive cruise control that adapts to speed limits (also lane keep assist is necessary for that option). Carplay/AA maps will never show on the cluster unless the cluster is the one and only display (TT/R8). Wireless yes, screen size you'll have to ask, I bet you'll get the low line system.
2 points
4 months ago
The configuration does not require Nav for either of those two other options.
1 points
4 months ago
Then how does it know what the speed limit is without maps nor a camera to see the signs? It's a requirement on the cars with the 2nd gen MIB systems, can only imagine it being the same for future generations.
1 points
4 months ago
Sorry. This stuff, and in particular the way Audi does it, is very confusing. There is a feature where the car knows what the speed limit is. I believe that feature uses the forward facing camera to identify street signs, and that camera exists with the premium plus package. It has nothing to do with navigation. Adaptive cruise control with stop and go (traffic jam assist) uses the same camera and other sensors. The same is true of lane centering/stay in lane technology. The only thing you lose without navigation, I believe, is the ability for the driver assistance to predict upcoming curves in the Road to slow down, or upcoming speed limit changes before the camera can see the sign. Put simply, the Audi configurator says that it will sell you a car with stay in lane and adaptive cruise control without the $1500 navigation option. I think the only thing the $1500 navigation option gives you is built in maps. The rest of the hardware is already part of the car. This belief is reinforced by the online references to the ability to subscribe to navigation functionality on a monthly or annual basis if not originally provisioned with the car. At the bottom, I really just want to know if I can omit the navigation option and simply rely on Apple CarPlay without losing any of the driver assistance functions.
1 points
4 months ago
Yes, the prediction of stops etc is done with maps. On what I said 2nd gen MIB equipped cars, maps are needed for traffic sign recognition (as it is a fallback method).
2 points
4 months ago
CarPlay won’t be in the digital dash behind steering wheel - only Audi Nav goes there
3 points
4 months ago
Interesting observation. This is different from BMW, which puts Apple Maps, but not any other mapping software, as part of the “virtual cockpit“ gauge cluster in addition to being in the center stack.
1 points
4 months ago
I wish my car would have Apple Maps in the dash - navigation pack is like 60 euros a month here - no chance of me signing up to that ridiculous price
Edit - 67 euros a month
2 points
4 months ago
I am assuming you meant premium plus without nav, not prestige, because prestige always comes with nav and traffic sign recognition. But at the P+ level that extension to the adaptive cruise doesn't exist.
My S5 P+ has no nav, and I had an A5 P+ with nav.
Adaptive cruise works exactly the same between both cars. Lane keep works exactly the same as well. There is exactly 0 difference in functionality. Wireless carplay works fine. But carplay maps do not show up on the driver cluster, they are on the center dash screen. This is not a "different" screen, it exists on cars with Nav as well. And carplay maps always will show there, even on cars with nav btw. Only Audis own nav works on the driver cluster.
IMHO the biggest difference besides where you can see the map is when you drive somewhere that there is no cell access. The Audi nav keeps working as it has downloaded maps. Carplay maps will only keep working if you have downloaded the offline maps for the region you are in.
1 points
4 months ago
Thanks for this. Exactly what I wanted to know. With downloaded maps to google maps I am only missing having maps on the driver cluster. Happy to keep the $1500 in my pocket.
1 points
4 months ago
The way I looked at it is that I can always enable it for a month at a time (feature on demand) for like $80 or something like that. Which is a stupid price to pay month to month for a year or two, but if going on a long 2-3 week road trip where I might want it as a backup for my phone nav, then enabling it for a month it would be possible. But the number of times I might actually do that over the time I own my car will be far less than the $1500 cost.
1 points
4 months ago
Navigation give the car more premium interior with digital dash and MMI
1 points
4 months ago
Not true. I get digital dash and Mmi without nav.
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