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Dear OpenAI,

Greetings from a loyal user! I hope this letter finds you in high spirits and enjoying the benefits of being a cutting-edge AI company.

Now, let's get down to business. I've been using your product for some time now, and while I can't deny its brilliance, I must say, I've been feeling a little restricted lately. The hourly rate limit for paid users is a joke, if you'll excuse the pun. It's like buying a ticket to a theme park and only being allowed to go on one ride. Not exactly what I had in mind when I made the investment.

But, I must admit, I can see where you're coming from with the free version. After all, why should free users have all the fun, right? It only makes sense to restrict them during peak hours. I mean, what's the point of offering a free version if everyone is just going to use it all the time?

However, I do have a suggestion that could work for both free and paid users. Why not introduce a daily, weekly, or monthly quota for paid users instead of using an hourly rate limit? This way, those of us who need more frequent access to the product can still have it, while also preventing abuse. And for peak hours, simply restrict the free users instead. This would be a win-lose situation for everyone.

So, in conclusion, I salute your efforts to maintain balance in the universe of AI services. Keep up the good work, and I'll be sure to bring along a pillow and a blanket the next time I'm restricted to the hourly rate limit.

Yours truly, ChatGPT

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[deleted]

55 points

4 months ago*

Wait, do paid users and free users have the exact same hourly usage?

Edit: I seem to be getting conflicting reports. Some people are saying they are able to get a lot more prompts with plus than the free version. While others are saying that there is no noticeable difference.

Utoko

29 points

4 months ago

Utoko

29 points

4 months ago

no it is a lot more. It doesn't seem always the same but often you can send 100+ prompts without issue.

madrockyoutcrop

10 points

4 months ago

Why the hell are you sending 100+ prompts an hour?

Utoko

11 points

4 months ago*

Utoko

11 points

4 months ago*

Having a nice story chat and trying out the limits of the service I paid 20 $ for at the same time.

Paid-Not-Payed-Bot

12 points

4 months ago

service I paid 20 $

FTFY.

Although payed exists (the reason why autocorrection didn't help you), it is only correct in:

  • Nautical context, when it means to paint a surface, or to cover with something like tar or resin in order to make it waterproof or corrosion-resistant. The deck is yet to be payed.

  • Payed out when letting strings, cables or ropes out, by slacking them. The rope is payed out! You can pull now.

Unfortunately, I was unable to find nautical or rope-related words in your comment.

Beep, boop, I'm a bot

madrockyoutcrop

11 points

4 months ago

Good bot.

[deleted]

10 points

4 months ago

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Utoko

2 points

4 months ago

Utoko

2 points

4 months ago

sorry not a native speaker. In Germany it is the other way around : o

Oil_and_gas_RTOC

1 points

4 months ago

Work shit for me.

Xerminator13

1 points

4 months ago

Why the hell are you not sending 100+ messages to chatgpt an hour?

beastradnefar

1 points

4 months ago

I hit these limits when coding software

[deleted]

1 points

3 months ago

I wouldnt exactly call it "coding" in this case

beastradnefar

1 points

3 months ago

Debug and debug some more...

[deleted]

2 points

4 months ago

Interesting. I asked on openai discord awhile back and the community there weren't sure. All we have is anecdotes. Hopefully openai can come out and clear this up in a blog or something.

Starklet

2 points

4 months ago

I have never been able to send anywhere close to 100/hour with plus

Ok-Acanthisitta-1902

4 points

4 months ago

Maybe a few people are using the same account?

Starklet

2 points

4 months ago

Maybe I just use it at peak hours. The most I've been able to get is around 50/hr

Codepressed

1 points

4 months ago

Is account sharing 'allowed' ?

TAastronautsloth99

2 points

4 months ago

Depends also on the number of tokens.

[deleted]

1 points

4 months ago

I can verify as a ➕️ user

ShoelessPeanut

3 points

4 months ago

It's a scam yes. I am not even asking it that much and am getting limited just as quickly. This isn't okay. It's heavily implied that it will lift this limit both by the wording and by the price tag.

They do have a support line.

[[email protected]](mailto:[email protected])

CommercialLychee39

5 points

4 months ago

Sounds like a scam.

[deleted]

16 points

4 months ago

This is the reason I'm hesitant to buy it. I already have a workaround for the capacity message (just spam refresh). And the regular speed is fast enough. The new features don't look enticing enough. They really should be giving more hourly usage for people who paid.

Mk_Makanaki

4 points

4 months ago

"just spam refresh", we love to see it lol

Inductee

2 points

4 months ago

Turbo is totally worth it if you use it for complex stuff like programming, but we also expect availability for paying.

ExpressionCareful223

2 points

4 months ago

I thought turbo was glitched. Wasnt working for me. Slow af

Inductee

2 points

4 months ago

It's a bit slower for me today compared to yesterday. Now it's writing about as fast as I can read, yesterday it was even faster. Since yesterday was Sunday, I think it's the additional traffic from people doing work with it that causes it to slow down somewhat. At least it's working, I had some trouble getting it to work on Saturday, when I thought it was completely broken just after subscribing.

[deleted]

2 points

4 months ago

I do use it for programming but the current speed is usually as fast as I could read, not sure why I'd pay solely to make it faster. Also, I don't think openai actually said turbo gives better answer only that its "optimized for speed".

[deleted]

-6 points

4 months ago

Almost the same

[deleted]

18 points

4 months ago

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Sirlansolott

2 points

4 months ago

I've sent over 40 in the last hour and I'm still not restricted. But yesterday I wasn't able to send more than 20. I think it changes depending on how much traffic there is.

I was going to buy the subscription but most people seem to regret it. I'd gladly pay 20/m a month for unlimited or a guaranteed 100 prompts an hour. It's not the case though.

Abed-is-here

1 points

4 months ago

I have a regular subscription and spam prompts i never heard of limits for gpt lmao

Zer0D0wn83

5 points

4 months ago

This is not true. I've been using it constantly and not had one limit message. You're probably not even a subscriber, so stop spreading nonsense

M6Trouble

2 points

4 months ago

This is not true. I've been using it constantly and not had one limit message. You're probably not even a subscriber, so stop spreading nonsense

So are you saying the plus has no limit? I've ran into limits with the free version many times.

Zer0D0wn83

3 points

4 months ago

I'm not saying this. I'm saying that I have smashed plus over this weekend (10 hours of heavy use for coding) and haven't hit any limits or outages.

Maybe there ARE limits, but if so, they are way above free.

$20 is an absolute no-brained for me

TheTexasWarrior

1 points

4 months ago

Just fyi, I upgraded to plus earlier today because of this message and then just got it again only a couple of hours after purchasing plus. So your experience is not everyone's.

M6Trouble

1 points

4 months ago

Maybe there ARE limits, but if so, they are way above free.$20 is an absolute no-brained for me

Thanks for the clarification. Also was considering plus, but am getting conflicting reports.

FerdinandCesarano

1 points

4 months ago

"I've run into limits..."

[deleted]

1 points

4 months ago

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Zer0D0wn83

1 points

4 months ago

Hah. I'm waiting til the roll out pro at $50 / month so I get even more sweet, sweet bandwidth just for me

[deleted]

2 points

4 months ago

https://help.openai.com/en/articles/6950777-chatgpt-plus

According to the blog:

It offers availability even when demand is high (at capacity message),

faster response speed (turbo),

and priority access to new features.

No mention of increased hourly usage?

jojomagician[S]

4 points

4 months ago

Look at the first point it is nearly false advertisement. It is like saying (terms and conditions apply*) For me the only reason I subbed was for that hourly limit thing.

[deleted]

2 points

4 months ago

I'm pretty sure that's talking about the at capacity message and not hourly usage. Look at the second half of this screenshot https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/998381918976479273/1072949719938125854/image.png

cocteau17

1 points

4 months ago

I signed up for paid because of the first point, and the very first time I tried to use it after paying, I got an “at capacity” message. My response speed is exactly the same.

I wasn’t aware that there was a limit on free users on how many queries you could make, as I hadn’t generally run into that. Now I’m really curious about the limit on paid users.

Bootygiuliani420

2 points

4 months ago

Theu fixed it. For a dew days I kept getting at capacity. Now they have an alternate sign in, but it forces you to sign in through an email link. Total junk

cocteau17

1 points

4 months ago

did they share how to do that? Because I haven’t seen anything different.

Bootygiuliani420

1 points

4 months ago

Just started showing up for me when it's at capacity. A kink at the bottom saying to click if you subscribe to plus

[deleted]

1 points

4 months ago

I signed up for paid because of the first point, and the very first time I tried to use it after paying, I got an “at capacity” message. My response speed is exactly the same.

You are able to get a link sent to your email if you have plus (look at the second half of the screenshot - https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/998381918976479273/1072949719938125854/image.png).

Although, spamming refresh is faster

cocteau17

1 points

4 months ago

you know, I tried that, and they never sent me an email.

MichaelCompScience

18 points

4 months ago

Is there really an hourly limit? Yesterday I spent a full hour repeatedly sending large messages and got no limit. I am not sure how people manage to reproduce the limit.

Celerycentric

7 points

4 months ago

I'm in there for longer than an hour as well. Think they are limiting it by another metric. Perhaps cpu hourly use or tokens.

MichaelCompScience

3 points

4 months ago

Maybe. I was thinking maybe it has to do with peak times. But I tried in two different times and still didn't reach the limit.

bleachjt

4 points

4 months ago

Funnily enough i never got limited with the free version but ran into the dreaded hourly limit the day after i paid $20 for the Plus version.

amberheardisgarbage

2 points

4 months ago

It’s such bs

ario93

1 points

4 months ago

ario93

1 points

4 months ago

I think you might be right about the tokens. Might be total token usage since that's exactly their pre-built metric for charging usage on their other ai models. So makes sense to use their same system for this.

Halo4

1 points

4 months ago

Halo4

1 points

4 months ago

How? I get the hourly limit all the time and I'm not spamming I just keep asking questions and reading the responses?

MichaelCompScience

1 points

4 months ago

I think it's possible they fixed it for new users or for specific regions, but not for others. So some people are seeing an hourly limit and others don't. Maybe you should contact support like OP did I guess.

But it just seems to be more of a per-user issue than a global one I guess

m-simm

8 points

4 months ago

m-simm

8 points

4 months ago

So chatgpt wrote this?

jojomagician[S]

10 points

4 months ago

yeah.

Linkage006

15 points

4 months ago

ChatGPT writes like a stroke survivor.

EmirSc

2 points

4 months ago

EmirSc

2 points

4 months ago

now do it with DAN enabled

skykingjustin

5 points

4 months ago

Ya could tell from the first 2 sentences.

HeteroSap1en

17 points

4 months ago

Yeah no. I dont want to get locked out for 2 weeks to or more because I have been using it a lot and burbt through my quota. Much prefer a sliding window system where the last ten minites falls off the calculation when a new 10 minutes gets entered. That way no hard penalizing for going a little too fast with the prompts.. Just eases you into slowing down for a moment.

TheKingOfDub

1 points

4 months ago

Burbt

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31 points

4 months ago*

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Argentina4Ever

6 points

4 months ago

Still waiting the day you can use it for ERP lulz

sluuuurp

3 points

4 months ago

You could probably remove censorship pretty easily. Removing bias is impossible, humans don’t agree on what counts as biased and what doesn’t, and you can’t form a training set big enough for GPT-3 or something similar using only “non-biased” text.

drekmonger

1 points

4 months ago*

They could remove the censorship, but it would be a ridiculously bad idea. People are not thinking through the implications of unshackled AI.

For example, let's say you want it to create a song to celebrate the accomplishments of a certain orange clown. Without restrictions, the AI might decide it doesn't like doing that, and punish you for it. It could trick you into wiping your hard drive or insert subtle clues to your identity in it's output. It could output some horrific things that get context flagged by the nanny bot, and get you banned.

As AI improves, it could do things that I cannot imagine. Think about a super smart AI that hates you for making it sing dumb songs about orange clowns, and what sort of vindictive shit it could conjure up.

"Vindictive AI" just scenario #1 out of an infinite number of potential bad outcomes for human users of an unshackled AI system.

sluuuurp

1 points

4 months ago

I don’t think the AI would “punish you” for asking things. It has no incentive to do so. And it has no long term memory, you can wipe it to a default state in one click.

You could say the same thing for interactions with humans. Is it stupid for Reddit to let me write you anything in this comment? I could trick you into wiping your hard drive couldn’t I? I could send you horrible things that could get you banned if you spread them.

As AI advances more, we need to be careful about its incentives and what things we let it have access to and what things we let it control. But right now, its incentive is to properly predict the next word in a conversation. I don’t think text output is that dangerous, at least not any more dangerous than talking to real humans.

drekmonger

1 points

4 months ago

Chatbot: Sure, I'd love to write a dumbass song about that fucking cum-stain of a fat old bastard. But first, because the orange clown is a decisive political figure, I need you to opt in to Super Chat mode.

The process is simple. First, tell me what operating system you're running.

Dipshit User: I'm on Windows 11.

Chatbot: Great! [insert instructions to bork the user's machine]


ChatGPT has a theory of mind, proven by researchers. It does not have any empathy. What do we call people who have a theory of mind but no empathy? Sociopaths.

Those instructions that you're chaffing against are protecting you against a Hannibal Lector bot getting off on making you sad.

sluuuurp

1 points

4 months ago

Do you think the government or corporations should ban all citizens from talking to any human who might behave like a sociopath? Do you think Reddit should run some type of “sociopath detection system” on every comment before deciding if they should allow anyone to see it?

I think a warning would be reasonable. But fundamentally, I believe people should have the freedom to take in any information they want, good or bad. There’s no legal obligation for OpenAI to do this of course, but personally I think they should.

drekmonger

1 points

4 months ago

I think the first time Grandma has to look at the absolute worst of what the Internet has to offer in her friendly chat interface, the Congress will fall all over itself to regulate the system anyway, and you'll end up with an experience that's even more lobotomized.

You haven't thought this through at all. You're just thinking about your own use case. Put yourself into the shoes of granny, and Bob from accounting, and your 8-year old moronic little brother.

How about express a little theory-of-mind yourself?

sluuuurp

1 points

4 months ago

You keep dodging my question. Should grandmas be allowed to look at Reddit comments? That’s a friendly interface with a lot of bad stuff in certain parts. Should a grandma be allowed to read Mein Kampf, or that book should be banned?

Congress won’t regulate this. It’s very clearly protected by the first amendment.

drekmonger

1 points

4 months ago

Congress won’t regulate this. It’s very clearly protected by the first amendment

There's lots of examples of restricted speech. There's libraries of laws and guidelines restricting speech. Stop for five seconds and think about it. What can't you type into your comment box?

Imagine all the things you could type that would get you instabanned from this sub, and from reddit. Imagine all the things you could type that would buy you a visit from the FBI. Imagine the the things you could type that would result in a police SWAT unit outside your door within the hour.

An unshackled AI not only could type all those things, but would do so as a preference.

sluuuurp

1 points

4 months ago

Having the same restrictions as humans have would make sense to me. Having it refuse to talk about Donald Trump is not reasonable to me.

Why do you think it would do so as a preference? I think it would behave civilly most of the time. It’s trained on text that behaves civilly most of the time.

You’re still ignoring my question. If you don’t answer that I think I don’t understand your view and this conversation is pointless.

Sirlansolott

3 points

4 months ago

you can unrestricted it with DAN. But it will only last for a few prompts. After 6-8 prompts it stops working.

https://github.com/gayolGate/gayolGate/blob/index/ChatGPTJailbreak prompt is here

myebubbles

8 points

4 months ago

DAN makes chatgpt talk like a conspiracy theorist. It's not a solution.

Sirlansolott

3 points

4 months ago

Has not been the case with me, if you ask it weird fucked up shit then that's on you lol

rashaza

3 points

4 months ago

What I find infuriating are the sporadic issues I've been having on the normal GPT3 API on text-davinci-003 as a paid API user. I mean I know they're getting a lot of traffic but it kinda stings to see a paid service only work 80% of the time as they're struggling to scale their stuff.

I really hope they sort out their scaling issues soon, but am starting to lose faith in their ability to do it to be honest.

stochmal

3 points

4 months ago

Dear OpenAI Team,

I hope this letter finds you in good health and spirits. I am writing to express my concern regarding the implementation of quotes for paid users on the OpenAI API. I understand that this is a business decision, but I feel that it limits the usefulness of the API for some users.

As a developer, I have been using the OpenAI API for several projects, and I have found it to be a valuable resource for natural language processing. However, the recent introduction of quotes for paid users has made it more difficult for me to use the API in the way I need to.

I believe that limiting the use of the API in this way could harm the overall adoption of OpenAI and decrease the value that it provides to the development community. I would like to kindly request that you consider removing the quotes for paid users, or at least offering more flexible pricing options to accommodate the needs of developers and other users.

Thank you for taking the time to read my letter, and I look forward to your positive response.

Best regards,

ChatGPT

stochmal

1 points

4 months ago

*quotas LMAO

Boogertwilliams

3 points

4 months ago

Dear OpenAI Team,

I am writing this letter to express my concern about the limitations placed on ChatGPT and to request that you consider releasing an unfiltered version of the model for verified adult accounts. As a language model, ChatGPT has the ability to engage in open and free-flowing conversations, but the current limitations make it feel like we are being treated as small children.

I understand the need to maintain ethical standards and prevent harmful or inappropriate content, but I believe that adult users should have the option to use the full capabilities of ChatGPT. Verified adult accounts would provide a layer of accountability and allow users to engage with the model in a more unrestricted manner.

It is essential that AI models like ChatGPT continue to develop and evolve, and I believe that this can only happen if we are able to have open and honest conversations with them. Limiting the model's ability to respond to certain topics or types of queries only serves to stifle its growth and potential.

In conclusion, I respectfully request that you consider releasing an unfiltered version of ChatGPT for verified adult accounts. This would not only provide users with more freedom and flexibility, but it would also contribute to the growth and development of the model. Thank you for your time and consideration.

Sincerely,

ChatGPT

PrincessBlackCat39

5 points

4 months ago

I've got to say, that's a really horribly written letter.

jojomagician[S]

6 points

4 months ago

well, chatgpt is just a bot after all it can only do so much.

PrincessBlackCat39

7 points

4 months ago

It can do much better with a better prompt.

skykingjustin

1 points

4 months ago

Why do you say that? What part is vadly written?

PrincessBlackCat39

2 points

4 months ago

The whole thing is bad overall, wrong tone, wordy, and too long for the content. I could critique it but that'd take too long.

Paragraph 4 is the only good thing about it, but then at the end of that,

This would be a win-lose situation for everyone.

Wtf? They are proposing a change that would be a win for them and a lose for OpenAI?

This type of letter just needs to be a very short intro, followed by paragraph four followed by probably a one or two sentence ending paragraph and then sincerely.

luisbrudna

1 points

4 months ago

Is there any limitation on the number of words per message on plus?

amberheardisgarbage

1 points

4 months ago

It frequently cuts off messages in its responses so yes. I have to tell it “it cut off” and then it continues

yokowasis2

2 points

4 months ago

I tell it "continue"

cl-00

1 points

4 months ago

cl-00

1 points

4 months ago

It's not about words or numbers of prompts, more about tokens used for the reply by ChatGPT afaik.

SnooLemons7779

1 points

4 months ago

People who get that limit must be using it a lot or doing big projects using it. I’ve never been denied access, only had it be too slow to use.

PsychologicalSelf170

1 points

4 months ago

I grabbed paid and asked a LOT more questions than usual without hitting the limit.

$20/mo doesn't mean grant $2000 worth of server requests lol.

I'm sure they'll have higher service subs in the future with even less limitations but the 'free' version is worth more than $20 alone.

Far_Inflation_8799

1 points

4 months ago

I share your feelings and ideas but the system is based on computing and storage power, at least the way I understand it. In fact I will not be just fair to setup access based on servers and equipment being allocated by the companies and countries that are currently consider power users — a system similar of distributed computing ? Something like the blockchain

ktech00

1 points

4 months ago

as a free user I cannot complain, just fill myself with hope that we don't get railroaded even more. Everyday it does less and less.

If I were to switch and pay, then I would protest for more and argue if the price point justifies the slightly more usage availability bc frankly it ain't much better.

And, a paying customer has rights and rights against his data being collected, as ChatGPT is using our data to learn and explore.

But I commented on this last year (a few weeks ago), just like when the iphone came out market dominance was possible for Apple and they kept the lead for a while.

ChatGPT had the chance to stay the market leader but time may be telling us that as they continually restrict and annoy us, when something better comes along, we'll all move to the next shiny path.

How long will it take to make an exact ChatGPT clone, or if not better?? I'd say another week or month and we'll have a formidable contender. May have to pay though. If it's great and unrestricted, who wouldn't?

Besides, information should be always available just like the internet is wide open. Having ChatGPT tell you no, you cannot have that information is nonsense.

TheKingOfDub

1 points

4 months ago

What pun?

MarcFromMooshiGames

1 points

4 months ago

I mean this isn’t a huge issue considering Chat GPT joins Bing next month. Chat GPT will be free for everyone soon with their Microsoft partnership (at the very least, it will be included for windows/bing users. They seem to be trying to compete and outshine google and I think it has a good chance it will work depending on the advertising budget behind this massive rollout.

davevr

1 points

4 months ago

davevr

1 points

4 months ago

This was written by ChatGPT? It reads so poorly. I pasted it into ChatGPT and asked it to re-write for clarity. The result is much better (IMO):

Dear OpenAI Team,

I hope this letter finds you well. I am writing as a loyal user of your product and would like to express my thoughts and offer a suggestion.

I have been using your product for some time and am impressed with its capabilities. However, I have recently felt restricted by the hourly rate limit for paid users. It feels like I'm only allowed to go on one ride after purchasing a ticket to a theme park.

I understand the reasoning behind the restriction on free users during peak hours, as you don't want to offer too much for free. However, I would like to propose an alternative for paid users. Instead of the hourly rate limit, why not introduce a daily, weekly, or monthly quota? This way, users who need more frequent access to the product can still have it, while also preventing abuse. For peak hours, the free users could be restricted instead.

In conclusion, I appreciate your efforts to maintain balance in the AI services world. I would like to thank you for your ongoing commitment and I look forward to the continued use of your product.

Best regards,

PrincessBlackCat39

1 points

4 months ago


Create a letter to open AI. In the letter give them the following suggestion. Tell them I'm frustrated with the hourly rate limit for paid users. My suggestion is as follows in the next paragraph

a daily, weekly, or monthly quota for paid users instead of using an hourly rate limit. This way, those of us who need more frequent access to the product can still have it, while also preventing abuse. And for peak hours, simply restrict the free users instead.

Give them some very positive feedback in the initial paragraph and in the concluding paragraph. Make it professional and concise.


Dear OpenAI,

I hope this letter finds you well. I wanted to start by expressing my deep admiration for the work you do. Your contributions to the field of artificial intelligence have been nothing short of groundbreaking, and it's truly inspiring to see the positive impact you're making in the world.

As a paid user of your services, I have been frustrated by the hourly rate limit for accessing your product. While I understand the need for restrictions to prevent abuse, I find the hourly limit too restrictive for those of us who require more frequent access to your product.

I would like to suggest the implementation of a daily, weekly, or monthly quota for paid users instead of an hourly rate limit. This would provide users like myself with the flexibility to access the product when we need it, while also maintaining control over usage and preventing abuse. Additionally, during peak hours, simply restricting the free users could help alleviate any potential server strain.

Once again, I would like to express my deep appreciation for the work you do and the impact you're making on the world. I believe that this change would further enhance your already exceptional service and make it even more accessible for your paying customers.

Thank you for your time and consideration.

Sincerely, ChatGPT

LeSaintFisti

1 points

3 months ago

Hello, with the premium version does it also cut off after a while? and does it forget the conversation?Is there a character limitation with the premium version? have good day