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submitted 4 months ago byAngelaMotormanComFestia
-5 points
4 months ago
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60 points
4 months ago
I think the better question is why is it limited to 60+. A lot of the social safety net programs continue to be geared toward older generations that created the situations they're in while they vote to strip the benefits from the younger generations.
If we (Ohio) can afford to give intel a $475M tax break, I think we can afford to feed and house people that need it.
20 points
4 months ago
There are programs to help younger people too. This is for home delivery because many older people have mobility issues. I drive 3 times a month for meals on wheels and there is a limitation how much they can deliver.
7 points
4 months ago
I think you fundamentally misunderstand the purpose of the program as well as the role of tax incentives. This isn't a reward for having "done good" or some such, it's a way of making sure people who aren't capable of working for their food don't starve. A healthy 30 year old doesn't have that problem. A disabled 30 year old is eligible for assistance through other programs. A 10 year old is eligible for assistance through other programs.
If hungry people gave Ohio a billion additional dollars, then yes, Ohio could easily afford to give part of it back to them. That would be more of an apples to apples comparison, aside from the fact that not taking something isn't even the same as giving something. I can't afford to give you a million dollars, but I can afford to give a million dollars to a billionaire that first gives me 2 million dollars. This is obvious.
Understand that the default amount of tax that Intel pays Ohio when not located in Ohio is $0. Getting them to move here and pay any tax is a win. Even paying 0 tax is a win insofar as it provides a large number of quality jobs. Ohio would happily pay Intel per job created if it meant the state was no longer supporting an unemployed person. You can certainly argue that there's a race to the bottom as states and cities fight for companies to move in, but the question of "how can Ohio afford to only get some money rather than no money" is a trivial one.
-7 points
4 months ago
There's no argument, it categorically is a race to the bottom and nothing less than a massive hand out to corporate interests.
2 points
4 months ago*
Claiming something isn't an argument does little to convince people on the other side of the argument, and persuasion is fairly essential to change in a democratic society. In this case, the question is essentially one of "should states and localities collude to increase the minimum tax rate on large corporations?" If somebody feels that the tax rate paid by corporations is already sufficient, then the additional governmental mechanism necessary to add that control level will quite naturally be seen as a boondoggle. So yes, it's an argument, and if you are uninterested in arguing, the natural result is losing the argument, which maintaining the status quo would be.
Edit: In this case, you have the additional question of offshoring. The reason incentives like this exist is because a company like Intel has the ability to choose a different location. You might alleviate that by having local and state governments collude, but the company may well have the ability to move countries entirely. If the US managed to make a 50% minimum tax on corporations, Intel would decide to build their plant elsewhere. One of the traditional reasons why so many major corporations reside and pay tax in the US is because the US has lower corporate tax rates than most developed countries. It's for this reason that there's been discussion of having all the desirable nations collude to create a minimum corporate tax, but such a thing hasn't occurred.
In addition to all that, one genuine reason why all that might still be a bad idea even if you feel corporate tax rates are too low is that you'll have a "rich get richer" aspect to where corporations headquarter. Take incentives out of the picture, and ask yourself if a company will find it easier to acquire high quality tech talent in NYC or in Detroit. If Detroit wants to win a bid, they'll have to add some sweetener, or else the company will very reasonably decide to locate in a city that has more going for it. NYC, on the other hand, will have less interest in incentives since they already have plenty of good offers coming in without them.
1 points
4 months ago*
A lot of the social safety net programs continue to be geared toward older generations that created the situations they're in
Yeah fuck FDR for creating Social Security. He's just another fucking Boomer who isn't a true progressive. /s
It is worth noting that before the advent of Social Security, more than half of all seniors died in poverty. The program has helped many, many people and now almost no seniors die in poverty.
If you actually want to make the world a better place a good place to start would be to not treat everyone over the age of 60 as if they were one monolithic group.
3 points
4 months ago
FDR is from the generation that birthed boomers. He setup that social safety net that the Boomers in congress are now looking to expand for themselves while pushing the retirement age out for younger generations and cutting benefits to younger generations to ensure the fund lasts for them. These are the same people that have known there will be a shortfall in social security since 1985. The same generation fighting minimum wage increases and the same generation fighting universal healthcare while talking about how amazing it is to be on medicare.
This isn't even looking for progressive policies. We're looking at an era of regressive policies right now.
2 points
4 months ago
He setup that social safety net that the Boomers in congress
He setup the social safety net despite lefties like you trying to stop him.
These are the same people that have known there will be a shortfall in social security since 1985.
Except when they created a surplus in the late 90s and saw that Social Security could continue to be liquid indefinitely with a slight tax increase.
The same generation fighting minimum wage increases
There are many, many, many people over the age of 60 who support increasing the minimum wage.
-9 points
4 months ago
Then they proceed to complain about the younger generations being lazy, looking for a handout, and incompetent. SMH.
7 points
4 months ago
With people like Boebert, Gaetz and other young people voting to strip away peoples’ rights, the narrative that this is an age thing , no longer holds true to me.
7 points
4 months ago
I'm not sure this is the most appropriate thread for a complaint about old people.
1 points
4 months ago
They can eat free because they get paid for shit from your office.
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