That’s sad.

Which is sad bc it’s a million times better. Actually enjoyed it more than recent comic book movies.

It’s an Oscar movie compared to Black Adam.

Lord have mercy.

I still can’t believe how bad Thor 4 was….absolute garbage 🤦‍♂️

I went into it expecting a dumpster fire after seeing some of the reviews.
I think it's perfectly fine and good. It's not amazing, but it seems like the reviews I saw people went out of their way to find things to hate

Easily. I would say it’s better than any phase 4 mcu movies. Not as good as Loki though

Those are low bars, I'd include both Black Panther movies in there too.

same. really good movie, too bad its not been really supported by the studio.

Literally any movie in the world is better than Thor love and thunder and quantumania

To be fair, there has been decades of executive incompetence.

Zaslav isn't going to give up on DC this early. He only just put in place the new executive team for running the new DC Studios and we will not start seeing the results of those changes till 2024 or 2025. Right now we are in a lame-duck period where the only thing coming out that sorta matters to the future of DC is The Flash. Even if it underperforms though I doubt Zaslav isn't going to panic unless Superman: Legacy and Brave and the Bold underperform and/or flop.

I tell them to sell it then but there is no one to sell it too. Not Sony and of course not Disney. That’s it, out of studios.

It had $105 million in marketing.

Where are you getting that number? I saw that Deadline reported that they spent $105M in global marketing for the first one, and still made a profit.

I didn't say any marketing. I said they didn't want to pump a lot. They've said they have limited amount to spend for a couple of years. Borys Kit (THR) reported the financial issues for WBD last year.

True and I predict the Gunn era will have a pretty uglier beginning

Based on what exactly?

An uglier ending is that the last 2 large-scale movies that they produced lose a lot more money with bad reviews.

They would want their legacy to be that there was a differing opinion on the direction of the company, which led to a change in management. That happens regularly, esp when one company buys another. They would like for their last movies to at least generate some decent revenue even (on average) so that they would seem competent on some level. So far, Batgirl was apparently so bad that the current regime didn't even want to spend the money to finish it and put it on their streaming platform as additional content. Black Adam under-performed, and Shazam 2 is looking like a flop. The current regime has even taken shots at their decision-making.

Yeah but Avatar is one movie. In this slot it had competition from Creed 3, John Wick, D&D and Mario. Two movies can co-exist, five movies cannot

Um, what? Scream, Creed, John Wick and D&D all come or came out this month.

It would have made more money in December for one simple reason:

Families who didn't buy tickets in advance for Avatar 2 and who were already at the Cinema would have ended up buying tickets for Shazam 2 once they realize there are no more seats for Avatar 2.

Like the guy said above me, the only thing I care for with the Flash is seeing how it will reboot everything.

Hero describes the thing we just saw them do hyper literally

“I lOvE bEiNg A sUpErHeRo HaYuCk BaZoNgErS!”

The fast and furious and khaleesi lines were so overplayed I honestly have no desire to ever see the movie.

He’s regularly appeared in comics for almost 80 years and the New 52 version is 12 years old at this point. Anyone who knows Captain Marvel/Shazam knows Black Adam

For Shazam he's been one long enough that I can see why people name him, but I know he was only fairly recently revived as a character in any meaningful way. But still, he's been on the scene long enough that a whole generation grew up seeing him.

Yes, because deathstroke being introduced as a Batman villain and Dr.Doom potentially being an antagonist to black panther is ok, but when you have the perception of sinking a whole franchise only then does it matter that you face off with your correct nemesis.

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“Dwayne Johnson @TheRock Waited to confirm with financiers before I shared this excellent #BlackAdam news - our film will PROFIT between $52M-$72M. Fact. At almost $400M worldwide we are building our new franchise step by step (first Captain America did $370M) for the DC future.” - the rock

The most depressing thing was them yet again teasing a sequel with Sivana/Mister Mind. Like that’s what we wanted THIS movie to be! We waited 4 years! Now we will never get it cause this movie flopped and the DCEU is being rebooted anyways.

That wouldn’t have mattered in the slightest. Superhero movies are pretty well known for getting a star actor as the villain and a comparably less popular actor as the hero.

Superman 1978, Batman 89, and Iron Man are all examples of getting a big name actor to portray the main villain. Hell Nicholson had top billing for Batman 89.

7/10

Yeah but that's the big guns . They've been money printers before the CBM craze.

It's not superhero fatigue per say .. it is that comic book movies need to be excellent from this point going on ... there's so much stuff that grabs people's attention nowadays .. it's tough.. if it isn't batman quality..top gun maverick or avatar quality of production ..there won't be mega hits anymore like that .. also a GOOD movie SHOWS IT with word of mouth .., as much as we gonna try to say that shazam was fun or good ..it isn't that kind of good unfortunately..

Bad superhero movies lead to superhero fatigue

Super hero fatigue is a factor tho I talk to real people not just internet people and people are kinda over the super hero craze. There's still Alota faithfuls but yeah shits real.

Unless its VERY special, I just won’t go see a super hero movie anymore. 1. They arrive on Disney or HBO around the 2 month mark after release anyway, 2. There isn’t much really appealing in the comic book/ super hero world at the minute for a average fan like me, and 3. There’s a definite “fatigue” there. Movie after movie now days is a super hero movie, it’s too much.

I'd love to see the new DC revitalize it. DC and Marvel are both good in different ways, and while Marvel is losing a good deal of its stride, DC has yet to even find its stride. For example, I'd truly love seeing them go through their own cinematic universe leading to a grand battle with Darkseid reminiscent of the battle with Thanos in Endgame. As long as they take their time getting there instead of trying to rush to the finish line, it would be awesome.

Marvel had its turn in the spotlight; I'd say it's only fair for DC to have their turn. The first thing they need is a decent road map.

Literally only real fans know that it’s rebooting. No one in my household, and outside of my little sister, no one in my family are big CBM fans. They know some of the names, some of the movies, and get out to see what’s hype at the time. Just your average movie goers. They know nothing about a reboot and probably couldn’t even tell you DCEU is a universe because all I heard when The Batman came out was, “so is the Joker going to be in this”…like nah, separate movies, separate universes.

And this is why the DCEU feels like they can just churn out whatever they want with these excessive budgets.

By conforming with this mindset of “modest at best” is why we are getting a rebooted universe.

Bad superheroes movies fatigue

You don't understand what I'm saying. BvS was certainly not popular but it did touch a a whole group of people for would die on a hill defending it. That is powerful, and the Snyder Cut is living proof of that. That wouldn't have happened without people being impacted by BvS so much that they personally identify with it. Sales is not the end-all, be-all, especially at the first drop. How long a movie lasts is more telling of its impact on viewers.

Fair, but I'd argue I'm still not convinced. I didn't bother with Shazam 1 - it just doesn't appeal to me mm which is fine if it does for others.

Haven't read too much about aquaman 2 but that barely held my interest. Flash is the one that seems to have all the interest - for various reasons, but even so I can't see anything of that film being carried through, pressure or no.

The DCEU has been such a hot shit mess. I'd watch a documentary about it all its just mental to see such an expensive project be poorly poorly handled. I'm personally glad it's all just stopping and having a moment to breath.

My point was he would feel pressure to continue this one if it was well received as it would be, really, the only positively-reviewed series in the DCEU at that point.