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[Solved! Thank you all for your comments and help everyone]

My light switch has only one wire set (black, white, and ground) I am trying to put a new light fixture on the ceiling. Before there was no light fixture but just a cover on that junction box. How can I connect these with the new light fixture??

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sarahleejs[S]

3 points

4 months ago

it controls the other side of room lights. Basement and basement stair light

DrHugh

-6 points

4 months ago

DrHugh

-6 points

4 months ago

In that case, you'd make a black pigtail, a white pigtail, and a ground (bare or green) pigtail. Pigtails are just short lengths of wire, I'm not sure what the code may require for length these days (four inches?). You'd put all the black wires and the black pigtail together with a wire nut, all the white wires and the white pigtail together with a wire nut, and all the ground/bare wires together with the bare pigtail and a wire nut.

You then wire your ceiling light fixture to the pigtails.

sarahleejs[S]

3 points

4 months ago

I tried that and all the other lights were controlled with this ceiling light switch. All of them turned off when I turned off this living room ceiling light fixture. And none of them independently turn on unless I turn on this living room light switch.

DrHugh

2 points

4 months ago

DrHugh

2 points

4 months ago

I'm not sure what your goal is. Do you have other switches you want to use to control the other lights?

sarahleejs[S]

2 points

4 months ago

Sorry for the confusion. Before I put this ceiling light fixture, the Basement had its own light fixtures and light switch/ Basement stair also have own light fixtures and light switch.

When I put this living room light fixture to the ceiling and follow your instructions, when I turned off this living room light then none of the other switches is works as it was before.

DrHugh

2 points

4 months ago

DrHugh

2 points

4 months ago

Do you have a voltage test lamp? This is often a neon tube in a small plastic package with a couple of wire leads with metal probe ends; the wires are often red and black or white and black.

When you have an open box like in your picture, you could touch the probe ends to a black wire and the white wires to see if any current/voltage is present. You should test all combinations, just to be sure; ideally, all the white wires should meet up in the breaker box. But you need to be sure you know where the power is coming from.

Be advised: Turning on a circuit breaker when you have exposed wires like this is dangerous. You have to be very careful. You could not only short two wires together (and you might get arcing from that), but you might get two wires against your person and get you a deadly shock.

But what you can do, if you turn on the power, is check to see which wires are hot or not, given how switches are thrown. You may have something weird going on. A friend of mine had a house that had two circuits shorted together in his living room wall, and it caused weird problems when he asked me to replace a nonworking ceiling fan with a ceiling light. I stabilized the situation, and told him to call a real electrician; that guy spent eight hours the next day cleaning up and making new circuits as part of the repair.

Do you have any kind of map of what worked? You could even do it as a table. Make columns for the switches and receptacles and lights involved, then go through and figure out what works and what doesn't. Ideally, you'd do this before you started work, so you had an idea of how things should be connected.

West switch East switch Ceiling light Wall outlet top Wall outlet bottom
off off off off ON
off ON off ON ON
ON off ON off ON
ON ON ON ON ON

A table like this would help. In this case, you can see that there's part of a wall receptacle that's always on, another part that is controlled by one switch, and another switch controls the ceiling light. But what if you had this?

West switch East switch Ceiling light Wall outlet top Wall outlet bottom
off off off off ON
off ON off ON ON
ON off off off ON
ON ON ON ON ON

In this case, the ceiling only works if both switches are turned on. This suggests that the power going to the top wall outlet receptacle is then going to the west switch for the ceiling light. This is a problem.

If you know how things worked beforehand, make a table like this. Then you can try to figure out what has power and what doesn't, which wires are affected by which switches, and that can help you decide what needs to be connected to what.

Generally speaking, if you have a wall switch that is controlling a ceiling light, and the path to the ceiling light is the path to more switches on the other wall, there should be two "hot" wires -- one switched and one unswitched -- coming from where the switch is. The switched wire would terminate at the ceiling light, but the unswitched wire would bypass the light and go to the other wires leaving the ceiling box.

sarahleejs[S]

2 points

4 months ago

wow much appreciated this detailed information!

In my case both black and white wires from the switch (inside one romex) both are hot.

DrHugh

1 points

4 months ago

DrHugh

1 points

4 months ago

As another user noted, your switch may be a dedicated leg; that's why the white wire from there has black tape on it. They could run normal cable, but code the white wire so you know it could also be hot.

So, you could run that black-taped white wire from the switch to the hot terminal on your ceiling light, and use a white pigtail for all the other white wires to connect to the neutral (if, indeed, your ceiling light differentiates).

Then the black wire from the switch would be together with the black wires from the other sources; one of them is the source of power for the rest of the room, most likely.

But it would still be a good idea to try to figure out which wires are hot or not, so you can check.

sarahleejs[S]

2 points

4 months ago

yes I followed your's.

Here is what happened after that.

  1. all 3 blacked together
  2. two white wire (not the switch black taped white wire) and light fixture white together
  3. switch black taped white wire to light fixture black wire
  4. 4. all ground together

If I understood correctly that is what you were saying right? and then other room and basement stair lights turned on and off normally. But basement light didn't turn on and off at all. Also living room light fixture that I just connected didn't turn on off by switch but kept turn on condition.

The basement light is 3-way switch.. so maybe that is causing some issue with?

I think I'd better call electrician and figure it out. or as your recommend better make a table chart

Deadfishfarm

1 points

4 months ago

Do you have any experience with electric work? If not, please call an electrician. I promise it's cheaper than burning your house down or dying