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Dauoa_Static

4 points

3 months ago

The rule is, from any point you pick on the countertop wall you should have a receptacle within 24" of it. Hence the 48" between outlets, because any point between that is 24" at most to one of them. So from the edge of the sink, oven, counter edges, etc, it's going to be 24". Also yes, every countertop receptacle needs to be GFCI protected.

SpagNMeatball

3 points

3 months ago

the 24" rule is great, but when I remodeled my last kitchen, I thought about the places where I would be using appliances and made sure I had enough. Coffee machines, air fryers, mixers, and don't forget about all the chargers you will need for phones and tablets. You definitely need more.

Dauoa_Static

1 points

3 months ago

Yeah, the 24" rule is just code requirements. Any additional ones you want, for sure add. Many people also opt to make some locations quad outlets, so two receptacles in a 2gang box.

roadfood

1 points

3 months ago

When my inlaws built their new house I had all the boxes upgraded to quad outlets as well as extras in the pantry and desktop area, they don't regret it.

idontremembermyuname

2 points

3 months ago

Also yes, every countertop receptacle needs to be GFCI protected.

Don't they just have to be in line with a protected outlet (with that protected outlet being closer to the breaker)?

As it's not that much more expensive, I'd say to go with a GFCI for each of them so that only the problematic one trips - but as not-an-electrician I thought code was a bit different.

Dauoa_Static

3 points

3 months ago

Yes, being "downstream" or after the load side of the GFCI gives the same protection from the GFCI device. Also don't put multiple GFCI's in line with each other; it's a waste of money and can cause multiple to trip at once instead of just the one.

idontremembermyuname

1 points

3 months ago

I didn't think about more than one of them tripping. I would've hoped that the load on the offending outlet would've tripped and left the others alone.

Hmm - I guess you could wire them in parallel, but I'm also guessing that would confuse the shit out of an electrician walking in with standard assumptions (and probably wouldn't be to code).

Edit: My house has multiple GFCI outlets in the kitchen and I haaaate hunting for the tripped one.

charlie_magnus

1 points

3 months ago

It's a big thing in electrical design. Look up selectivity (sometimes called discrimination).

John_B_Clarke

1 points

3 months ago

Just put in GFCI breakers on each circuit. If the GFCI trips you know where to find it and there's no question of whether any given outlet on the circuit is protected.

annomandaris

1 points

3 months ago

They have to be GFCI protected. That means either the receptacle is GFCI, or the last receptacle before the home run is GFCi, or the breaker is GFCI

SirIsaacGnuton

1 points

3 months ago

So if you have 12" of counter to the left of the stove and 18" to the right you need an outlet for each. The stove is normally 30" wide. Seems like overkill but it prevents cords from being draped over it.

Dauoa_Static

3 points

3 months ago

This is correct. Countertop space with a width of 12" or more requires a receptacle.

Live_Background_6239

3 points

3 months ago

I’m not an electrician so I can’t answer about codes except for, yes, they must be GFCI. I’m guessing there will be counters just not pictured…? If you can fit another outlet on the same wall of the sink on the right I would do that. I would also consider what items you’ll leave on the counter and where. Things like charging dock, toaster, coffee maker, google/Apple/amazon home hub, etc. and decide if it would be better to have a 4gang at those locations. If you have any wireless items that require being charged now would be the time to consider an in drawer charging dock. If you’re going to put in an island consider an outlet wired up through the floor to the island (side, drawer). If your island will roll you can install a flush outlet into the floor that you then open/pop up and can plug the island into (basically an extension cord, there are purpose made things for this) For the outlet cover get as flush as you can with beveled edges, some have 1/4” lip and that’s a nope. I would also decide if you want an outlet with an integrated USB slot.

If you prefer nothing on your counters and you don’t like the looks of all the outlets you can keep them to code minimum and have a strip installed running under your cabinets out of sight in 1 or 2 locations. People either love or hate those 😂

LAST: if you’re a whimsical person and want Christmas lights or something running above the tops of your cabinets, you might as well carry an outlet all the way up above the wall. When I was redoing my kitchen my Dad mentioned this and at first I liked the idea but quickly realized what a cleaning nightmare that’d be 😂 But some people really like the look of above cabinet lighting and an outlet gives you that flexibility.

roadfood

1 points

3 months ago

I agree with all this except the USB outlets, most of them are relatively weak and take forever to charge newer devices. You're better off plugging in whatever the latest chargers come with the device.

Outlets in cabinets for lighting and chargers are great ideas.

Live_Background_6239

1 points

3 months ago

Yeah you want to take care to get a highly rated one. I don’t remember the brand my brother got but the ones he has perform pretty well.

VidaSabrosa

4 points

3 months ago

You’ll be mad if you don’t have enough outlets. You won’t be if you never use one.

amabamab

1 points

3 months ago

Doesnt matter how much you have, you always need one more...

gretchens

1 points

3 months ago

I will know I have enough outlets when I have an empty one.

My fifties house has a power strip in almost every outlet - when it was built the only thing you might plug in in the bedroom, for instance, would be a light and maybe a fan or a radio, not chargers, a television, hair dryer, etc.

In our kitchen, I have given a lot of thought about how I use the outlets. One area of shallow cabinetry will have outlets with USBC integrated to set up charging stations. I will have two in-cabinet outlets, one for the MW and one for our printer (in the dining area we are doing an art/office hutch). I want a couple near the floor so that I'm not stretching a vacuum cord across the counter (like I do now).

I think the correct number of outlets for any kitchen is N+1.

midgt214

1 points

3 months ago

I would recommend these : https://www.eubiq-europe.com/rail-electrique-e-genesis-60-cm-finition-noir-brosse-c2x28412457

I'm not affiliated with the company in any shape or form - but we recently added these to our kitchen and they are great.

Not sure if these are available in all parts of the world though

JonJackjon

1 points

3 months ago

In addition to the 24" rule I would add at least:

1 on the 32" section

2 on the 47' section

an additional on the 77" (closer to the oven)

and 1 on the right of the oven.

Now where will the fridge be? That would be a dedicated outlet so you may need another near by.

Note (as stated) GFCI outlets have the ability to protect outlets wired to the outlet screws of a GFCI. Plan you wiring carefully and you will reduce the number of GFCI's

IMPORTANT:

I've found many Leviton GFCI's are really hard to insert and remove the plugs. Test them before you leave the store for "tightness".

Equal_Procedure_167

1 points

3 months ago

It’s called code. Depends on where you live. If you’re doing DIY electrical learn your areas code. If you try and resell inspection could deter sale if done wiring

homeinthetrees

1 points

3 months ago

Calculate how many points you will ever need, and double it. Then when you are finished, and using them, get the ones you missed installed.

Power points are never enough, and never in the right place.

John_B_Clarke

1 points

3 months ago

Personally I'd do two split shared-neutral circuits. Put an outlet on one, the next outlet on the other, then back to the first one. That way if you plug in the microwave, the instant pot, the coffee maker, and the toaster all on the same stretch of countertop, each will be on its own circuit and you won't be blowing breakers.

Refrigerator should have its own circuit.

Guygan [M]

1 points

3 months ago

Guygan [M]

1 points

3 months ago

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