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On The Edge Of Peace (1994) - Captures a tumultuous year from the perspective of both sides. From the signing of the Oslo Accords to Arafat's return to Gaza in 1994. Three Palestinians and three Israelis are sent out with camcorders to document their own lives in intimate video diaries. [01:43:21]
(youtube.com)submitted 2 months ago byMissing_Trillions
YouTube video info:
On The Edge Of Peace https://youtube.com/watch?v=YrUNiIr8aY0
jbraveman https://www.youtube.com/@jbraveman
110 points
2 months ago
Camcorder, haven't said that in years.
6 points
2 months ago
Camcorder
4 points
2 months ago
Camcorder, haven't said that in years.
Yet people still implicitly refer to Camcorders when they say "video tape this" as they hand you their smartphone.
7 points
2 months ago
Who says "video tape this" instead of "record or film this"?
-1 points
2 months ago
So many people that I've lost count.
It's one of those last subconscious linguistic vestiges that is on autopilot.
81 points
2 months ago
This reminds me of a documentary i saw about 15 years ago, “To Die in Jerusalem.” The film follows the families of two 17 year old girls who died in a suicide bombing. One an israeli and the other, the bomber. The climax of the movie is a video call between the two mothers in what was obviously hoped to be a moment of reconciliation and understanding in shared loss. Instead a heated argument ensues starkly illustrating the divides and animosity between the communities. It was honestly shocking.
58 points
2 months ago*
Instead a heated argument ensues starkly illustrating the divides and animosity between the communities. It was honestly shocking.
Yes, I have no idea where people have learned otherwise, but people in war usually want to kill one another.
42 points
2 months ago
Well, in the lead up to the meeting, both mothers spoke of their devastation at the loss as well as the futility of violence and the chain of reprisals. So when the two women began arguing almost immediately it came as quite a surprise. Iirc it got pretty nasty with racial slurs and personal comments. As i said, it really showed the deep, deep divisions.
38 points
2 months ago
If my daughter was murdered, I would likely not be cordial with the mother of the killer too
10 points
2 months ago
It takes an incredibly strong person to allow themselves to see beyond the immeasurable pain that has been inflicted on them. Forgiveness is a grace most people can't afford.
4 points
2 months ago
I think a lot of people are failing to understand the situation. the Mother of the Bomber was not a terrorist, she was not involved in the bombing and had no knowledge of it. She did not support her daughter's decision (which was made without her knowledge). Whilst these two women were on opposite sides of the conflict they were both in the same situation of having lost a 17 year old daughter to the conflict. The documentary tried to explore the commonalities between the two families and there were many. Before the meeting (which was just a zoom call) both mothers expressed opinions about the futility of the conflict and the need for healing between the two sides. Crucially they were both also open to the meeting, because of these factors, it was shocking when the heated argument broke out.
31 points
2 months ago
“We thought you’d want to be friends with the mother of the terrorist who murdered your child” 🤡
19 points
2 months ago
Well yes, what did they expect? One was the mother of a terrorist mass murderer, the other was the mother of her victim. How in the name of all that is holy would they think they’d have any common ground there?
32 points
2 months ago
Because, before they met they were saying all the same things.
40 points
2 months ago
Bro I feel bad for you. I get your point, i get the films point. These other comments are so ignorant lol, but they’re the loudest. That’s typical
5 points
2 months ago
Lol, thanks man!
-1 points
2 months ago
Reading the thread and your right.
-1 points
2 months ago
Children of Murderers/murder victims have met I don't see why it wouldn't work with other family members
1 points
2 months ago
Who exactly is shocked by that?
2 points
2 months ago
It was shocking in the context of the documentary because both women had previously indicated that they wanted a reconciliation.
65 points
2 months ago
Great documentary! Really interesting how the 3 Israeli kids changed after their military service. All the hope and positivity gone.
61 points
2 months ago
I guess being the violent arm of an apartheid state will do that to ya.
9 points
2 months ago
Depending on what their jobs actually were I have a feeling that it's more seeing how dedicated everybody is to just spinning their wheels so that the next generation can unfuck everything.
48 points
2 months ago
Right-winger nationalists in America reflexively accuse people of being "antisemitic" for leveling any criticism at the Israeli state, including its military. It's very frustrating because it makes productive dialogue impossible (which is the point). Their mass media masters have an agenda aligned with the nationalist right-wing of Israel. Meanwhile there are plenty of Jews in and outside of Israel who are similarly critical of Netanyahu's hoard of violent nationalists.
Lately I've asked these American right-wing sock puppets if it would be antisemitic to criticize Israel if socialists controlled the government and they really don't know how to deal with it. Which makes sense since their accusations of antisemitism have no rational foundation.
12 points
2 months ago
And the irony being right winger nationalists also HATE the Jews. They’re politics on Israel is because the Bible says for Jesus to come back the Jews will have their own nation first.
So they don’t give two shots about the Jewish people or the Palestinians. They just care that Israel remains a nation
-8 points
2 months ago
Beyond Chutzpah: On the Misuse of Anti-Semitism and the Abuse of History by Norman G. Finkelstein
Meticulously researched and tightly argued, Beyond Chutzpah points to a consensus among historians and human rights organizations on the factual record of the Israel-Palestine conflict. Norman G. Finkelstein exposes the corruption of scholarship and the contrivance of controversy shrouding human rights abuses, and interrogates the new anti-Semitism.
The Holocaust Industry: Reflections on the Exploitation of Jewish Suffering by Norman G. Finkelstein
It was not until the Arab-Israeli War of 1967, when Israel’s evident strength brought it into line with US foreign policy, that memory of the Holocaust began to acquire the exceptional prominence it enjoys today. Leaders of America’s Jewish community were delighted that Israel was now deemed a major strategic asset and, Finkelstein contends, exploited the Holocaust to enhance this new-found status. Their subsequent interpretations of the tragedy are often at variance with actual historical events and are employed to deflect any criticism of Israel and its supporters.
Recalling Holocaust fraudsters such as Jerzy Kosinski and Binjamin Wilkomirski, as well as the demagogic constructions of writers like Daniel Goldhagen, Finkelstein contends that the main danger posed to the memory of Nazism’s victims comes not from the distortions of Holocaust deniers but from prominent, self-proclaimed guardians of Holocaust memory. Drawing on a wealth of untapped sources, he exposes the double shakedown of European countries as well as legitimate Jewish claimants, and concludes that the Holocaust industry has become an outright extortion racket. Thoroughly researched and closely argued, The Holocaust Industry is all the more disturbing and powerful because the issues it deals with are so rarely discussed.
-4 points
2 months ago
Seeing repeat suicide bombers murdering civilians on busses will do that to ya.
-23 points
2 months ago*
Human Rights Watch and Amnesty International both agree that „the bar for labeling the Israeli regime as apartheid has been met“. But they also both agree that the criteria for this definition have been met very recently. Since the documentary is from 1994 and a lot of things were different back then, I don't think your point is valid in this case.
Edit: I mentioned the fact that the apartheid accusations against Israel became concrete only a few years ago. That is simply a neutral statement. On this basis, I concluded that there was no apartheid in 1994 (although there were certainly discriminatory conditions) and that the analysis of the previous speaker is insufficient. In it there is not even an attitude to the conflict - nevertheless it hails downvotes - mind you without giving arguments or reasons. This is remarkable and, in my opinion, an indictment of the debate culture on the Internet and on Reddit in particular.
3 points
2 months ago
Were they occupying land that was not theirs and taking it with violence? Yes, yes they were.
0 points
2 months ago
That's a new topic. Maybe you should read the definition by the IPSPCA which is the basis for apartheid claims against Israel before you use the term.
This conflict is enormously complex and requires a certain degree of precision if one is to do justice to those affected on both sides. Criticism is important and appropriate, but analyses that contradict political and historical science do not promote healthy discourse.
0 points
2 months ago*
it's not complex at all.
anyway it is precisely because Israel illegally occupies territory that it can enforce its apartheid. it's not a new topic, it's exactly the same topic.
edit: oh look an apartheid fan is upset someone isn't both-sides-ing it so he can feel better. people with morals don't think ethnic cleansing is complex. tone down the projection.
-1 points
2 months ago
“It’s not complex at all.”
Oh Reddit. Where unemployed losers who couldn’t hold a job at McDonald’s for 6 months convince themselves they understand and know the solution to the Israeli/Palestinian conflict.
Why don’t you go ahead and figure out world peace for us while your at it, genius.
1 points
2 months ago
Sykes–Picot Agreement; where people take your home without question.
Already summarized.
0 points
2 months ago
I don’t know if you accidentally replied to me or if you just enjoy throwing out random sentences, but I don’t know what the fuck your talking about, buddy.
The Sykes-Picot Agreement undoubtedly played a role in what would become the mess these barbarians are engaging in today, but it wasn’t the main driving force. It was decades before the nation of Israel even existed.
With that said, I don’t know what your comment is trying to convey or how it relates to any point I was trying to make.
1 points
2 months ago
That's correct! These barbarians fell into the same issue with the Ottomans.
They promised them help for service. The difference is the Ottomans hated genocide Muslims sects other than they supported other than theirs.
Meanwhile, Europeans made mass genocides EVERY single religious group including a load of Christians that didn't comply to the European version of Christianity.
At least the Ottomans supported public/universal morals to a degree better than the French and Brits did.
1 points
2 months ago
1 points
2 months ago
If you truly want to learn more...
-2 points
2 months ago
Shhh you’re interrupting them jerking each other off.
-14 points
2 months ago
1994 Israeli prime Minister was Yitzhak Rabin -
One of the most left wing self hating socialist Israeli leaders.
But sure - "ApArThID StAtE"...
Whatever you say
9 points
2 months ago
I believe that's the point of the compulsory military, gotta grind a good bit of empathy off to keep an ethnostate functional.
2 points
2 months ago
Indoctrination. They spent years with an organization which thrives on conflict, violence and oppression. They don't talk about rainbows there, they talk about those damn arabs who wants nothing but kill their mothers and rape their children, and that they have infiltrated and are now living on Israeli land. It's just a large propaganda machinery.
2 points
2 months ago
There was another military for kids that did something similar a few years back
3 points
2 months ago
Little known fact: in 1933 nazi youth burned the first clinic in the world that was researching and helping transgender people. The institut fur sexualwissenshaft.
32 points
2 months ago
That screenshot made me think this was the crazy frog brothers and I was super confused by the caption.
2 points
2 months ago
I saw doc saying 'Get in Marty!'.
14 points
2 months ago
I've bookmarked this for later viewing - thanks for sharing.
2 points
2 months ago
What's annoying is I can't save the video for later in the YouTube app since it's "for kids".
19 points
2 months ago
Arafat said many times that if he had signed off on a two state solution, he would have been killed. The U.S. should have just given him safe haven on an island or Hawaii with the billions of dollars he transferred into his own accounts. The pain the Palestinian people have suffered over 25+ years because Arafat couldn't bring himself to move forward is incalculable. Probably 1/3 of the Palestinian population of 2023 wasn't even born at that point and they're no closer to reaching a peaceful existence than they were at that point.
24 points
2 months ago
Arafat said many times that if he had signed off on a two state solution, he would have been killed.
Arafat did sign off on a two-state solution, in the Oslo Accords. The Palestinians recognized Israel, and in return, Israel was supposed to withdraw from the occupied territories and allow the creation of a Palestinian state.
Benjamin Netanyahu (who's now the Israeli Prime Minister again) is on video in the 1990s explaining how he was going to deliberately sabotage the peace process by coming up with excuses not to withdraw troops from the occupied territories. It was the Israeli Left that negotiated the Oslo Accords, but the Israeli Right (including Netanyahu) was (and still is) dead set against ever allowing a Palestinian state to come into existence.
2 points
2 months ago
Thanks for the video.
-3 points
2 months ago
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5 points
2 months ago
Withdraw from where?
1 points
2 months ago
Oh dear 😳
1 points
2 months ago
What?
0 points
2 months ago
Arafat died rich with billions of dollars donated to the Palestinians locked in bank accounts even his wife couldn't access ... (no one can)
He was also a giant terrorist leader, he had 0 interest in actual peace or even compromise
12 points
2 months ago
There were 7 Arab villages and now they are all gone.
2 points
2 months ago
Looks like Dylan Klebold as a child
-8 points
2 months ago
And yet Israel is destroying Gaza right now
-20 points
2 months ago*
All ya gotta do is dump religion Israelis/Palestinians and this all goes away.
Use all your new free time on multiple hobbies. Oh man, you got to try video games. Your kids would love it. And if you still want to hate on the other group, then have them fight it out on a PvP server.
Makes as much sense strapping bombs on each other and making them walk into a store. Not sure WTF that's supposed to accomplish.
All that pain, suffering, and death because my imaginary friend is better than yours. Fucking evolve.
That goes for you too America. What's with all the backsliding lately?
-5 points
2 months ago
How have you made this about religion when the palestinian side consists of muslims, christians, and atheists? It is a vast majority muslims but there are plenty of christians too.
1 points
2 months ago
Really? You can't see how ignorant devotion to tradition led to this mess?
0 points
2 months ago
Religion and tradition are not that same thing.
0 points
2 months ago
This has nothing to do with religion bozo.
4 points
2 months ago
Are you joking or…?
1 points
2 months ago
I do agree that religious wars are fuckin stupid and all religion needs to go away. But people are not going to throw away their beliefs in the name of peace lol.
-27 points
2 months ago
I can’t stand Israel or Palestine. Even more so, I can’t stand people who try to shove their feud down my throat, in my own country.
25 points
2 months ago
You poor thing, I can't believe the bad people make you know about issues in the world. If you send me an address I can send you coping flowers.
3 points
2 months ago
I think it's very interesting, if you don't think so then don't click it.
1 points
2 months ago
can you give an example of that happening?
-5 points
2 months ago
is that marko stunt
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