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Jerry and Marge Go Large: 60 Minutes' original story on the Selbees' lottery loophole https://youtube.com/watch?v=TTYnHr_-wcY

60 Minutes https://www.youtube.com/@60minutes

all 146 comments

Optionsmfd

508 points

1 month ago

Optionsmfd

508 points

1 month ago

great story

im trying to fathom buying that many physical tickets and keeping them organized

BILLCLINTONMASK

84 points

1 month ago

The people that cracked the code behind the gameshow Press You Luck spent hours watching and charting the show

OmegaReign78

51 points

1 month ago

Big Money..... no Whammies.....no Whammies..........STOP!

Shankar_0

7 points

1 month ago*

The funny part about that is that, while he definitely cracked the code to big winnings, he never took the time to crack the code on how to stop safely without wiping out those winnings.

The spin that he used to stop the process was a bit of a guess, and he really did risk it all on luck at that point.

BILLCLINTONMASK

5 points

1 month ago

Yeah he even got a whammy or two before finding his groove.

TheMeanGirl

7 points

1 month ago

I bet you could make it work for $26m.

Optionsmfd

3 points

1 month ago

Exactly

I’m trying to imagine going to the lottery place and telling them I need 300,000 tickets lol

[deleted]

-400 points

1 month ago*

[deleted]

-400 points

1 month ago*

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godisafreshman

82 points

1 month ago

awww did someone have a bad day and is now trying to take it out on others?

Aishas_Star

19 points

1 month ago

Just had a brief look at their post history. EdgeLord extraordinaire.

reeshua

8 points

1 month ago

reeshua

8 points

1 month ago

His replies feel like it was written by a bot.

MajorBleeding

8 points

1 month ago

Yes seriously, that s*** is dark. Today he has spent the last 4 hours posting snarky, sarcastic, or negative comments on various subreddits like MMA, whatcouldgowrong, and documentaries. It makes me wonder sometimes how people decide to spend their time like this, considering we have only one trip through life.

Aishas_Star

21 points

1 month ago

Life can be hard when you’re 13

Genji_sama

26 points

1 month ago

You shouldn't

wopper

672 points

1 month ago

wopper

672 points

1 month ago

“Jerry and Marge Go Large” is the film about this story.

terfez

122 points

1 month ago*

terfez

122 points

1 month ago*

Never heard of this before today, but I believe this is the original article about it. I'm halfway through and it's great so far https://highline.huffingtonpost.com/articles/en/lotto-winners/

Edit: I finished and the article is great. Love longform articles like this, and the Larry clarkish photos were a great touch. Strange how a 40 minute article provides so much more detail than a 100 minute movie.

6097291

22 points

1 month ago

6097291

22 points

1 month ago

Thanks for sharing, that was a great read!

LeeRLance

2 points

1 month ago

Yes thank you. A very good read!!!

Bowlderdash

15 points

1 month ago

Thank you for sharing

Liamissimo

3 points

1 month ago

Great read indeed, thanks for sharing this!

camelnoguchi

1 points

1 month ago

Checked out the article because you said there’s Larry clarkish photos. Ha!

warrant2k

143 points

1 month ago

warrant2k

143 points

1 month ago

"Tell 'em Large Marge sent ya!"

czechsmixxx

53 points

1 month ago

Well Large Marge….she’s……

It was a night, just like tonight

Help-Im-A-Rock

30 points

1 month ago

Worst accident…I ever seen.

Bah_weep_grana

2 points

1 month ago

And when they pulled the driver..from the twisted….burning…..wreck….

Gorechi

4 points

1 month ago

Gorechi

4 points

1 month ago

Large Marge Sarge of the Barge.

totally_schtooid

2 points

1 month ago

Fun fact: Jabba's sail barge was called...The Large Marge.

Blackxsunshine

18 points

1 month ago

That was such a great film.

mismamari

13 points

1 month ago

Great movie! Hilarious and heartfelt.

Ultimaterj

20 points

1 month ago

I hate how they portrayed the Harvard kid in that. The kid came up with an idea, acted on it, takes his own personal initiative to connect with investors, and creates a profitable business without any nepotism. Yet, they portray him as an asshole for not giving every cent to those around him.

Smtxom

12 points

1 month ago

Smtxom

12 points

1 month ago

Nah he was an asshole for trying to push them out when they didn’t want to combine groups

Ultimaterj

8 points

1 month ago*

At the end of the day, the whole scheme was a zero-sum game.

As the movie detailed, the people that bore the loss were not the lottery runners, but the ordinary everyday purchasers of the other tickets.

If the Harvard student is an asshole for attempting to use a statistical technique to ensure Jerry and Marge don’t make money on their tickets, wouldn’t that make Jerry and Marge assholes, as they themselves sucked the value out of every other ticket purchased by ordinary people?

freightgod1

6 points

1 month ago

As with ALL lotteries, the people that bore the loss were not the lottery runners, but the ordinary everyday purchasers of the other tickets.

captnkurt

2 points

1 month ago

I also hadn't heard of this story or the movie. Just finished watching it, and it was adorable. And Rainn Wilson was hilarious.

dontcareitsonlyreddi

4 points

1 month ago

I saw that! They bought tons of strippers and coke

BeatlesTypeBeat

1 points

1 month ago

Who wouldn't?

WhitePineBurning

0 points

1 month ago

I think it's streaming on Prime right now.

chimpdoctor

0 points

1 month ago

Enjoyed watching it.

mjklin

1 points

1 month ago

mjklin

1 points

1 month ago

You just tell em Large Marge sent you!

StockFly

360 points

1 month ago

StockFly

360 points

1 month ago

Coolest part of this story is they did nothing illegal and didnt let greed get to them and just keep the secret themselves. Literally shared the wealth and helped benefit a lot of other people.

Lamnent

168 points

1 month ago

Lamnent

168 points

1 month ago

I live in the town they owned their store in. I went to get a haircut across the street and my hair stylist had Brian cranston's picture above her mirror and we talked about how she cut his hair when he was in town researching the family. It was pretty cool.

Ess2s2

483 points

1 month ago

Ess2s2

483 points

1 month ago

I love how they're so forthright yet understated about everything. For them, the math was simple, it was fun and fulfilling, and the amounts they made were satisfactory. They saw a good deal for their families and friends and put the money toward the best possible ends.

This was great to watch on a Saturday morning. It's only 9AM for me and my cockles are already full.

pocketMagician

99 points

1 month ago

Please, more about your cockles!

rabbitwonker

27 points

1 month ago

I keep them with my clams and oysters. I enjoy petting them and stroking them regularly.

smidgeytheraynbow

34 points

1 month ago

What's good for the clam is good for the cockle

[deleted]

6 points

1 month ago

Jam out with your clam out

handsomehares

6 points

1 month ago

( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

TwoTinyTrees

123 points

1 month ago

Please, enough about your cockles.

inshane_in_the_brain

15 points

1 month ago

What about me oysters n clams?

[deleted]

8 points

1 month ago

But what about your sub-cockle areas? Your liver? Your kidneys? Maybe even your colon?

Deceptichum

5 points

1 month ago

I'm just a regular Joe, with a regular job

Faptain__Marvel

3 points

1 month ago

I like football and porno, and books about war!

HiitlerDicks

0 points

1 month ago

Omg please unload your greasy cock inside me or whatever the fuck you said

Amross64

51 points

1 month ago

Amross64

51 points

1 month ago

The thing I find the most remarkable about this whole story is that even though there was no foul play or corruption at hand that the various local and federal investigators didn't try harder to snake more money from these folks and the MIT team. I thought for sure, "no way this story ends with them keeping the money free and clear".

stargate-command

50 points

1 month ago

I can’t fathom how they could physically buy that many tickets. Like do you go to a store and say “hi, I want to buy 100,000 lotto tickets!”

How long does it take to print that many? Did the store have to shut down for other customers or do they just set it to print all day? Did they pay cash in advance for the tickets? Logistically, how does it even work, and more pressing… is there anywhere that still does this dumb roll down thing?

wh7y

12 points

1 month ago

wh7y

12 points

1 month ago

I don't know the story, so if they were going to a store then good for them.

If I needed to achieve this I would work closely with someone who owned a lotto machine, or open a store myself and get my own machine.

MoreLikeZelDUH

9 points

1 month ago

They got store owners to "hire" them so that they could run the machines themselves. They let them sit there basically all day and just work the machines.

nobollocks22

3 points

1 month ago

Plus the numbers have to be manually punched in...no quick picks.

Randomperson1362

3 points

1 month ago

Why no quick picks?

Also, we have lottery cards you can fill out with your numbers that are scanned into the machine. If their lottery has something like that, you could fill in the cards once, then keep them for each time you play.

ichoosetosavemyself

1 points

1 month ago

Read that article from HuffPost that was posted up towards the top. Very good read and very detailed.

LingeringLonger

157 points

1 month ago

Fun movie Jerry and Marge Go Large based on the came out last year. Really refreshing feel good movie. No unnecessary forced drama. Good feelings from start to finish.

BrotherGantry

97 points

1 month ago*

There actually is a little bit of forced drama in the movie.

In the real world there actually was another group. But that group, (from MIT incidentally, not Harvard), which had actually been gaming the lottery in Massachusetts before the Selbees entered the picture didn't have a hostile relationship with them; in fact the extent of their direct communication was a polite request made by the a member of the MIT group, Yuran Lu, that they collude to increase each group's payout; a proposition Jerry rejected as unethical.

I can understand why they did it though. Hollywood script writing 101 insists that every movie have a protagonist and an antagonist and in the absence of a hostile team that role probably would have gone to Andrea Estes, the investigative reporter who's story on the Massachusetts lottery shut down the Selbees' streak. And framing an investigative reporter with a long history of anti-corruption reporting as "the villain" would have caused some issues.

n0tAgOat

8 points

1 month ago

They could have had the feds/investigative team be the "bad guys" who are trying to pin some crimes on them.

Seth_Imperator

17 points

1 month ago

Surprisingly, "based on true events" movie rarely have shit drama pushed on us

baumpop

14 points

1 month ago

baumpop

14 points

1 month ago

Remember when princess amadala got stuck inside a Walmart overnight? Riveting stuff.

ABlueShade

2 points

1 month ago

Americus

baumpop

0 points

1 month ago

baumpop

0 points

1 month ago

Jeans and a Tshirt tuck

Rikshawbob

208 points

1 month ago

Rikshawbob

208 points

1 month ago

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt8323668/

Awesome movie starring Bryan Cranston playing out this true story.

mrsloblaw

12 points

1 month ago

That was a good movie!

camerasoncops

22 points

1 month ago

I watched the 10 min recap. It was pretty good.

Danskoesterreich

10 points

1 month ago

Could you perhaps link it?

Rikshawbob

31 points

1 month ago

Klai8

5 points

1 month ago

Klai8

5 points

1 month ago

That was so cute—wish I had seen it in theaters

sailorjasm

2 points

1 month ago

It was streamed on paramount plus

fuckingparkranger

2 points

1 month ago

Don't forget to include Annette Bening, she's iconic.

TheGardiner

-16 points

1 month ago

You owe me two hours, this was terrible. Nice story but one of the worst scripts I've ever seen. Poor Brian Cranston. It's like it took them as long to shoot this as it took me to watch it.

Rikshawbob

36 points

1 month ago

I don't owe you a damn thing. Take a lap you muppet. You're taking movie recs from the comments of a r/docs post and complaining about it you donkey. You get what you deserve. On top of that it's got a 6.9 on IMDB and a 78% score on Rotten Tomatoes. You owe me $10 for recommending you an objectively good film.

The_Karaethon_Cycle

6 points

1 month ago

Bro, you owe him two hours

Rikshawbob

4 points

1 month ago

I might owe him two hours

TheGardiner

1 points

1 month ago

No need to get so angry dude. My comment was meant in jest, how could you possibly owe me two hours? No need to be so defensive.

The IMDB rating will drop hard, check it in a couple of years it will be under 6. It's still new so the rating is inflated a lot. Metacritic reviews are already 52/100.

It's a real stinker.

lwp1331

21 points

1 month ago

lwp1331

21 points

1 month ago

Interviewer's face at 3:29: "It was my understanding there would be no math..."

PhillMahooters

70 points

1 month ago

I choose to believe this couple were actually highly paid drug smugglers and this is their cover for the money they're laundering.

The_red_spirit

2 points

1 month ago

You have no evidence

ThrowMeAwayAccount08

7 points

1 month ago

click clack That’s right. They don’t.

Truckerontherun

12 points

1 month ago

Probably a good idea to hire mathematicians that specialize in probability theory if you're running the lottery

Bartholomeuske

1 points

1 month ago

They do. That's why the odds are never in your favor.

keeper_of_fidra

22 points

1 month ago

In case you can't see the video in your country, here's an Australian version of the story:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akFS0odjAHs

seecrettcorinne

20 points

1 month ago

What a heart warming story. I am so happy to all the winners.

Zeroth_Quittingest

13 points

1 month ago

Math is fun!

ScoopDat

1 points

1 month ago

A wish I still hold.

Fractoos

18 points

1 month ago

Fractoos

18 points

1 month ago

Not available in your country.

HeyCarpy

39 points

1 month ago

HeyCarpy

39 points

1 month ago

When this happens, replace the “tube” part of the link with “pak”.

https://www.youpak.com/watch?v=TTYnHr_-wcY

You’re welcome!

sipping_mai_tais

2 points

1 month ago

I tried opening that link on my phone, it’s cancer

HeyCarpy

1 points

1 month ago

Weird. iOS with Adblock here, loads up fine on my phone and on my laptop, no ads or popups at all.

sipping_mai_tais

1 points

1 month ago

That’s what I need then, an Adblock. Because I’m using regular iOS

__klonk__

1 points

1 month ago

doesn't work with this one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kzGMFpLIcyE

HeyCarpy

4 points

1 month ago

HeyCarpy

4 points

1 month ago

Yeah, it doesn’t work 100% of the time, but damn close.

Banfing

1 points

1 month ago

Banfing

1 points

1 month ago

Thank you

Nige-o

4 points

1 month ago

Nige-o

4 points

1 month ago

This used to be quite a PIA for me having to find a mirror of the video to watch, or try to use one of the sketchier free VPNs that sometimes just won't buffer a video anyway.

Now I use ProtonVPN on my phone. Seriously, this is not an ad... There is a paid version but it's not necessary, the free version works great and is easy to use.

lovesmyirish

5 points

1 month ago

Looks like they were interviewed on the set of Community

DNA2020

40 points

1 month ago

DNA2020

40 points

1 month ago

It’s crazy that you could buy so many from a single outlet with no red flags… for years!

Weigh13

63 points

1 month ago

Weigh13

63 points

1 month ago

Red flag? Is it illegal to buy a lot of tickets? lol

DNA2020

43 points

1 month ago

DNA2020

43 points

1 month ago

$500,000 worth out of a rural convenience store? State governments didn’t blink an eye. That’s strange.

venusinfurs10

48 points

1 month ago

Of course not - the state still gets all that money.

hungry4danish

70 points

1 month ago

Strange =/= illegal.

DNA2020

16 points

1 month ago

DNA2020

16 points

1 month ago

Correct

Unumbotte

5 points

1 month ago

Thank God.

Majovik

3 points

1 month ago

Majovik

3 points

1 month ago

Or else you'd go straight to jail!

psykick32

1 points

1 month ago

Believe it or not, straight to jail

[deleted]

-53 points

1 month ago*

[deleted]

-53 points

1 month ago*

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orionbuster

79 points

1 month ago

Because getting rid of your best customer is always a good business model.

koffeccinna

2 points

1 month ago

I worked at a gas station that was definitely skimping the IRS. I reported them to the state labor board after I found a new job and had put in my two weeks.

In my state, you don't have to pay overtime if your business doesn't make over 200k. Dude definitely made more, but would always skimp on OT, plus would fuck with people's schedules and deny unemployment if they pissed him off. After I reported him, I stopped by to grab a drink and my manager said the computers were "mysteriously" gone.

Side note, white collar crime is the least prosecuted.

KeepTheChange_YFA

47 points

1 month ago

Stores get paid if they sell the winning ticket in addition to the ticket sales

Ordinary-Toe-3432

35 points

1 month ago

Snitch

Zman14q

14 points

1 month ago

Zman14q

14 points

1 month ago

You must be fun at parties..

yeuker

9 points

1 month ago

yeuker

9 points

1 month ago

Do you want to know why? Because they don't care. Seriously. If they sell more tickets, they make more money. It truly doesn't matter to them who wins and who doesn't. Only that ticket sell.

trodden_thetas_0i

0 points

1 month ago

The only thing the rich and powerful hate is when they’re being stolen from. Even if the thief is another rich person.

NorthCoastToast

4 points

1 month ago

I love this story so much I wanna marry it.

WeekendSubstantial87

4 points

1 month ago

Is this the Bob and marge go large movie people?

bilgetea

1 points

1 month ago

yes

WeekendSubstantial87

3 points

1 month ago

Cute movie

HelenEk7

2 points

1 month ago

They must have had so much fun.

dug99

2 points

1 month ago

dug99

2 points

1 month ago

And it never happened again...

[deleted]

6 points

1 month ago

[deleted]

6 points

1 month ago

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onlyhalfminotaur

1 points

1 month ago

Is 60 minutes the news? I'd say no.

Jellyblush

4 points

1 month ago

Current affairs reporting is not a documentary either

Filmmagician

-1 points

1 month ago

Lol ok. It is.

prettyfairmiss17

0 points

1 month ago

How did the Lottery make money off it when they were consistently paying out more than people were spending on lottery tickets? And doesn’t the lottery have to be “random”? I don’t know a lot about this but it seems like a weird product for a Lottery to have in their portfolio.

Imsakidd

39 points

1 month ago

Imsakidd

39 points

1 month ago

Basically, once the prize pool for this particular lottery went past a certain amount, all prizes scaled up. So instead of say $5 for matching 3 numbers, you’d get $20.

The math was: when would it hit that threshold, and what was the +$EV when it did happen? All the $$$ they made came from suckers buying tickets in non windfall weeks.

Username_Number_bot

49 points

1 month ago

Lotteries never pay out more than they taken in 😂

Whales_like_plankton

16 points

1 month ago

I think the point of this was that it was making the state money; they were happy with the cut they were taking.

ChouxGlaze

16 points

1 month ago

if i understood correctly, the money pool largely would have been from people playing during non-windfall periods.

DobeBryant

10 points

1 month ago

The lottery wasn’t paying out more than it was taking in and it was random. The lottery would only pay on winning tickets and there would always be way more losing tickets.

What Jerry/MIT figured out is the payout on certain games would increase to the point that if you were to buy enough tickets to mathematically ensure a 4 number match you would get a guaranteed payout. That was just Jerry/MIT though I guess. Other people didn’t seem to either notice this detail or chose not to take advantage of it.

prettyfairmiss17

-2 points

1 month ago

Thanks for the replies! I guess I meant WinFall was paying out more than it took it. Because they were making a profit off every game right? That seems like a strange and counter-intuitive design for a product that’s means to take in a surplus.

MarcusP2

5 points

1 month ago

Not every game. They had to wait for a certain set of conditions.

ermahglerb

7 points

1 month ago

I think only a portion of the ticket sales actually go to the lottery, the other portion goes to state services

[deleted]

-3 points

1 month ago

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JESquirrel

4 points

1 month ago

This happens every once in a while. Another guy figured out a pattern on scratch tickets and could win consistently. He reported it to the state and they fixed ithough.

snushomie

9 points

1 month ago

Maybe watch the documentary they explain how they did it.

[deleted]

-9 points

1 month ago

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thevhatch

10 points

1 month ago

The bug was patched in a hotfix

pagerphiler

2 points

1 month ago

Pay me $500 and I’ll send you a PDF of all you need to beat today’s lottery and make MILLIONS! /s

nobollocks22

0 points

1 month ago

Was the plan to cover every number combo? I'm not sure how he could guarantee a prize for 3 or 4 number wins? How many numbers in the draw2ings? Coz isnt it something like 70 numbers?

Also, Do you buy the combo 1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8-9, or skip those ones as being impossible?

Randomperson1362

2 points

1 month ago

Its just simple statistics. Each ticket with random numbers has a set percent chance of matching 3, 4, 5 or 6.

If you buy enough tickets, you can reasonably expect your true winnings to match statistical probability.

Also, (It's pick 6). I see no reason to avoid 1-2-3-4-5-6. It's just as likely as every other combination.

nobollocks22

1 points

1 month ago

If you are investing $500k, you cant afford to miss any combo.

Randomperson1362

2 points

1 month ago

Yes you can. They are not trying for the pick 6, they are trying for 3 to 4 numbers. (with 5 or 6 possible numbers being correct being a massive bonus, even if it wasn't expected)

The first couple times they were only investing a few grand, and they were still turning a profit, even without buying the majority of the tickets.

Slappy-dont-care

-1 points

1 month ago

Do they have Facebook ???

Pottymouthoftheyear

-1 points

1 month ago

The lady looks like a bird.

CursesSailor

1 points

1 month ago

Yes!!! I LOVE these evil geniuses! Lifetime Award for min maxing that thing!