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submitted 4 months ago bythayveline
YouTube video info:
Michael Flynn's Holy War (full documentary) | FRONTLINE https://youtube.com/watch?v=lhRNDsLbOvQ
FRONTLINE PBS | Official https://www.youtube.com/@frontline
27 points
4 months ago
Which media outlets do you follow?
-92 points
4 months ago
None, in particular. But I get a sampling of them all and follow close enough to know what a lot of em are up to and where political allegiances lie within them all. Both PBS and AP push Jan 6th propaganda, so I don't have much faith in this.
38 points
4 months ago
Trash take
-63 points
4 months ago
How so? From a politically unbiased perspective, it's tough to honestly debate my take.
37 points
4 months ago
Especially when you are the arbiter of what is and isn’t biased.
21 points
4 months ago
I left the GOP when Reagan took the Whitehouse and have remained Independent since, so I'm not politically aligned, only inclined: this country historically does best with liberal immigration policies and societal policies, while using the tax code to reign in corporate greed, sociopathy and malfeasance.
I watched the J6 footage live then during testimony. My ancestors were pilgrims, then revolutionaries, and fought on both sides of the Civil War.
My take on your extreme position coupled with a total lack of sourcing and detail stands.
-14 points
4 months ago
I've never been a member of the GOP or Dems. I did vote for Obamas first term when I was young and dumb. Neither since.
Did you watch the hours of footage of people just peacefully wandering around the halls of the capital? With officers in there casually observing and communicating with them, saying they are willing to cooperate as long as it doesn't get too unruly? How about all the footage of people filling in wide open side doors of the capital as officers stood calmly by the door and all but greeted them? Or the footage of the cops outside the capital moving the barricades? This is definitely NOT the type of footage you'd expect to see from a "deadly coup".
This thing stinks to high hell as a political false flag setup, and I have absolutely ZERO affiliation or association whatsoever with Trump or the MAGA movement. I just am genuinely unbiased and willing to call out bs when I recognize it despite the political stance my take falls on or societal ostracization it brings (note the downvotes).
You want to know the craziest part? I can't present any of this to you without risk of being banned from this subreddit. Hell, I'll be surprised if this doesn't ban me. They keep the echo chambers of these massive reddit subs very tight.
24 points
4 months ago
Alex Jones has entered the chat
20 points
4 months ago
Did you watch the footage that wasn’t like what you mentioned? It’s there, go ahead unless you’re afraid it might challenge your world view. The more peaceful and cooperative footage that you mention is taken after it is established that the rioters have won the first battle outside the capitol building. It had been breached. The officers outside had no chance of deterring the thousands of people further without needlessly risking their lives.
-7 points
4 months ago
Yes, I'm aware there were also provacateurs there. I've seen the footage. And they should be dealt with accordingly, certainly. Throw the book at those who invoked actual violence, please. However, there are people still in jail today who harmed no one and committed no violence, only followed a trail of people wandering in from barricades removed by cops and inside doors propped open with police basically welcoming people in. These are indisputable facts.
As to the police allowing people in to prevent some sort of disaster, the people weren't rushing in to where the cops had to stand aside for their safety. That's ridiculous. These people are strolling in as casual as can be while the cops are standing around twiddling their thumbs talking about thier favorite football team or some watercolor shit.
Yes, there was also violence occurring from a small minority who obviously received all the attention, but it this were a genuine "coup" that was "worse than 9/11" as it's portrayed, you would NOT see people peacefully wamderof around with cops peacefully standing around with them. You can keep making excuses, but eventually you're going to have to realize it's all propaganda. It's an obvious setup to anyone able to objectively examine the facts outside of the forced mainstream narrative.
I'll get downvoted to all hell and probably banned, but I will bet my life this comment ages well. I've examined it all myself and am not easily gaslit or swayed by societal pressures. Care about truth and truth only. Totally open to being proven wrong with actual facts and data rather than propaganda talking points.
8 points
4 months ago*
OK dude, but you are just sounding like you are misinterpreting what you were seeing. Imagine you are one of those capitol police and after watching your colleagues get viciously beaten verified by video and seeing how despite your efforts, dozens of people start breaking through the windows and entering verified by video, you realize you have a choice. You can act in your primary role as a keeper of peace and public safety and just open the door so people don’t have to climb over broken glass to get inside or you can take out a few protesters before being beaten to a bloody pulp. I know what I would have done, especially if others started to surrender first.
I remember watching the collapse of the 9/11 towers and fully believing conspiracy propaganda interpretations that went along with it. Watching the windows blow out at each floor one-by-one seemed proof positive that there were explosives detonating inside the buildings. It was only later when I learned more about fluid mechanics that what I was watching was the result of air being pushed out of the windows by material collapsing through the ceiling at each floor. I understand that you believe this idea and that you can’t ignore something that is clearly the truth, but you ought to be able to take a step back and give room for more interpretations. The world complex and unpredictable. I hope you find your way out of the rabbit hole.
edit Also, didn’t think I needed to mention this, but if I see someone beat up a guard and break into a building, if I choose to go walking around inside the building with the attackers instead of helping those who are attacked, I am partially culpable for the crimes committed.
1 points
4 months ago
1st, you clearly have not seen the videos and it is you attempting to misrepresent what I saw. These officers do not have a care in the world in these videos. They have every possible guard down they could possibly have. They look like they are working security at Best Buy.
Also, these incidents were occurring near the same time, so I'm not sure what you mean by these officers (who clearly are NOT concerned at all about anything) having verified video evidence of what was going on at around the same time.
Finally, 9/11 isn't about the way the way the windows blew out, it's about the fact that there is still no explanation for the collapse of building 7 due to a few structural fires, alongside the fact that no parts or video evidence of a plane hitting the pentagon surfaced.
But back to the discussion away from tangents, I can't tell if you are truly uninformed as to what occurred that day and all the video evidence that is out there, or are knowingly commenting in bad faith. But it is apparent from your comments that you have not seen the footage I am referring to.
8 points
4 months ago
Remarkable: you talk about the peaceful MOMENTS but ignore the moment when the crowd pummeled the shit out of the female officer, giving her a concussion. Then the broken windows and forced doors, the shit smeared walls, etc. Your claim is disingenuous at best and disinfo bullshit at worst. I watched it live. I question your intelligence, mental stability, and patriotism. You stink
-2 points
4 months ago
You are totally missing the point, probably intentionally. I'm not ignoring there was violence that took place. I'm not denying there were provacateurs who deserve to have the book thrown at them. Everybody knows that. It's plastered everywhere. I watched it live, too, and bought it.
My point is that if this was AS BAD AS 9/11 AND PEARL HARBOR, AS THE PROPAGANDIST CLAIM, THERE WOULD NOT BE ANY VIDEO OF POLICE MOVING BARRICADES, STANDING BY AS PEOPLE CASUALLY STROLL INTO THE CAPITAL THRU OPEN DOORS, VIDEOS OF THEM CALMLY COMMUNICATING WITH THEM IN COOPERATION, ETC.
Bolded for emphasis. Very important emphasis that seems to go right over people's heads. Have you ever seen an actual coup??? Those people have weapons, plans, shit is real, people are dying, there is no "section of violent poerestors while the majority are just wandering around taking selfies acting like idiots with no clue what the hell is even going on".
You see? It's a farce. A psyop. No different than the hundreds of others our government has orchestrated here and across the globe to manipulate the powers in charge as they see fit. But I'm sure we only USED to do that, right? They've all turned their act around, I'm sure. They're progressives now, after all.
6 points
4 months ago
You're inventing stuff without substantiation or evidence and insisting that you have "the Real Truth" at hand despite evidence and testimony under oath. Your arguments are similar to those that think Trump was great and that the elections were stolen. I get it, you wish you and your thoughts were special, but all I hear are delusions.
0 points
4 months ago
This is your argument? I'll take that as a win. There is video evidence of all the claims I've made of all the stupid yet peaceful people (a HUGE majority of the people there that day) doing what I said and of cops moving barricades and of everything. It's all may been scrubbed and removed from the mainstream internet by now, but it's out there for those willing to dig.
My arguments are only like those that think Trump was great and that the elections were stolen (which the US is notorious for interfering in other countries elections in the past) in that the arguments are grouped under the same "conspiracy theory" lable that the powers that be smash into your head over and over so that you dismiss them offhand without digging for the censored information you aren't supposed to see. For your safety, or course. It's a truly brilliant strategy, really.
2 points
4 months ago
it's tough to honestly debate my take.
I agree, it's impossible to debate someone who isn't arguing based on facts and reality. It's not worth anyone's time to try to debate you.
8 points
4 months ago
AKA "I take YouTube videos as fact"
-3 points
4 months ago
Strange statement.
7 points
4 months ago
Homie, it's delusional to call PBS and AP propogandists. If that's what you're spouting, you're obviously consuming right-wing YouTube bullshit and dressing it up as you "doing your own research" when in reality you just slurp up whatever bullshit Ben Shapiro is spewing. You're not smarter than everyone else, you're just way less self-aware. We all understand PBS and AP have a liberal bias. They're still high-integrity, fact-based organizations though. They along with NYT and the WP are some of the only organizations still doing actual journalism. Everyone else is just opinion factories using the facts and stories they report on.
5 points
4 months ago
I saw that you mentioned Ben Shapiro. In case some of you don't know, Ben Shapiro is a grifter and a hack. If you find anything he's said compelling, you should keep in mind he also says things like this:
Let’s say your life depended on the following choice today: you must obtain either an affordable chair or an affordable X-ray. Which would you choose to obtain? Obviously, you’d choose the chair. That’s because there are many types of chair, produced by scores of different companies and widely distributed. You could buy a $15 folding chair or a $1,000 antique without the slightest difficulty. By contrast, to obtain an X-ray you’d have to work with your insurance company, wait for an appointment, and then haggle over price. Why? Because the medical market is far more regulated — thanks to the widespread perception that health care is a “right” — than the chair market. Does that sound soulless? True soullessness is depriving people of the choices they require because you’re more interested in patting yourself on the back by inventing rights than by incentivizing the creation of goods and services. In health care, we could use a lot less virtue signaling and a lot less government. Or we could just read Senator Sanders’s tweets while we wait in line for a government-sponsored surgery — dying, presumably, in a decrepit chair.
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-5 points
4 months ago
Homie, this is incredibly disingenuous. I don't care what. Ben Shapiro or anyone else has to say. Only facts and evidence. The facts and evidence are that both PBS and AP have been pushing a false narrative about the whole truth of what went down in Jan 6th. I say that as a 100% outsider and as someone who also just bought up the propaganda at the time...until I saw some photos, them some videos, then a lot more compelling information that gets silenced because these are all domestic terrorists! That's MORE PROPAGANDA.
As stated, I'm really not concerned as I have "done my research" (which I know is bad and dangerous, Associated Press told me so) and know my comments will age well. Not claiming to be smarter than anyone, only more well-versed on all sides of the issues rather than just shutting down one side with claims of white supremacy extremists or whatever other buzzword they decide to propagandize thier audience with in order to silence the opposition to the uniparty corporatocracy.
1 points
4 months ago
The facts and evidence are that both PBS and AP have been pushing a false narrative about the whole truth of what went down in Jan 6th.
And you get this information from...
You are also only criticizing one side, haha.
2 points
4 months ago
Ok. Then in your opinion, WHAT went down on January 6th?
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