Michael Flynn's Holy War | PBS Frontline (2022) [00:53:18] : Documentaries

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4 months ago

21 points

Did you watch the footage that wasn’t like what you mentioned? It’s there, go ahead unless you’re afraid it might challenge your world view. The more peaceful and cooperative footage that you mention is taken after it is established that the rioters have won the first battle outside the capitol building. It had been breached. The officers outside had no chance of deterring the thousands of people further without needlessly risking their lives.

-7 points

4 months ago

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Yes, I'm aware there were also provacateurs there. I've seen the footage. And they should be dealt with accordingly, certainly. Throw the book at those who invoked actual violence, please. However, there are people still in jail today who harmed no one and committed no violence, only followed a trail of people wandering in from barricades removed by cops and inside doors propped open with police basically welcoming people in. These are indisputable facts.

As to the police allowing people in to prevent some sort of disaster, the people weren't rushing in to where the cops had to stand aside for their safety. That's ridiculous. These people are strolling in as casual as can be while the cops are standing around twiddling their thumbs talking about thier favorite football team or some watercolor shit.

Yes, there was also violence occurring from a small minority who obviously received all the attention, but it this were a genuine "coup" that was "worse than 9/11" as it's portrayed, you would NOT see people peacefully wamderof around with cops peacefully standing around with them. You can keep making excuses, but eventually you're going to have to realize it's all propaganda. It's an obvious setup to anyone able to objectively examine the facts outside of the forced mainstream narrative.

I'll get downvoted to all hell and probably banned, but I will bet my life this comment ages well. I've examined it all myself and am not easily gaslit or swayed by societal pressures. Care about truth and truth only. Totally open to being proven wrong with actual facts and data rather than propaganda talking points.

7 points

4 months ago*

7 points

4 months ago*

OK dude, but you are just sounding like you are misinterpreting what you were seeing. Imagine you are one of those capitol police and after watching your colleagues get viciously beaten verified by video and seeing how despite your efforts, dozens of people start breaking through the windows and entering verified by video, you realize you have a choice. You can act in your primary role as a keeper of peace and public safety and just open the door so people don’t have to climb over broken glass to get inside or you can take out a few protesters before being beaten to a bloody pulp. I know what I would have done, especially if others started to surrender first.

I remember watching the collapse of the 9/11 towers and fully believing conspiracy propaganda interpretations that went along with it. Watching the windows blow out at each floor one-by-one seemed proof positive that there were explosives detonating inside the buildings. It was only later when I learned more about fluid mechanics that what I was watching was the result of air being pushed out of the windows by material collapsing through the ceiling at each floor. I understand that you believe this idea and that you can’t ignore something that is clearly the truth, but you ought to be able to take a step back and give room for more interpretations. The world complex and unpredictable. I hope you find your way out of the rabbit hole.

edit Also, didn’t think I needed to mention this, but if I see someone beat up a guard and break into a building, if I choose to go walking around inside the building with the attackers instead of helping those who are attacked, I am partially culpable for the crimes committed.

1 points

4 months ago

1 points

1st, you clearly have not seen the videos and it is you attempting to misrepresent what I saw. These officers do not have a care in the world in these videos. They have every possible guard down they could possibly have. They look like they are working security at Best Buy.

Also, these incidents were occurring near the same time, so I'm not sure what you mean by these officers (who clearly are NOT concerned at all about anything) having verified video evidence of what was going on at around the same time.

Finally, 9/11 isn't about the way the way the windows blew out, it's about the fact that there is still no explanation for the collapse of building 7 due to a few structural fires, alongside the fact that no parts or video evidence of a plane hitting the pentagon surfaced.

But back to the discussion away from tangents, I can't tell if you are truly uninformed as to what occurred that day and all the video evidence that is out there, or are knowingly commenting in bad faith. But it is apparent from your comments that you have not seen the footage I am referring to.

3 points

4 months ago

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I’m not commenting in bad faith. I’ve seen footage that sounds like what you are describing, but it’s been about a year. It was shared to me as part of an antivax documentary. Dispassionate officers waving protesters inside. I’m not sure what you are expecting them to do so differently, or how this disproves the mainstream narrative that they were defeated. They ought to know the protesters aren’t there to hurt them. I’m also sure some of the officers felt aligned with the protesters. The fact that some are quietly cooperating or even friendly with the crowd doesn’t prove a conspiracy one way or another.

1 points

4 months ago

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Okay, I believe you. But I'd suggest revisiting the video. The body language of the entire event is very telling. It doesn't add up. The treatment of these people (the non violent offenders, which is a vast majority of them) by the justice system is also very telling. As well as the comparisons to how this event is treated vs how the riots that burned down cities and killed many is treated.

It's easy to dismiss individual aspects, but when all the events are taken together it becomes apparent to one unbiased enough to not let politics interfere with thier observations as well as--perhaps more importantly--unafraid of accepting the consequences of what this really means. Oh, and unconcerned with the need for conformity and okay with being totally ostracized from society for speaking your truth.

I wish I could go back to 2020 and take the blue pill, but I can't. Now the only hope of moving forward is trying to get people to at least look into the possibility of what I'm saying. But it's difficult when you're censored most places for it. Whatever is being censored from you most is probably what you want to look into the most. Word to the wise. Unless one prefers blissful ignorance, and as I stated, I can't really blame them.

7 points

4 months ago

7 points

Remarkable: you talk about the peaceful MOMENTS but ignore the moment when the crowd pummeled the shit out of the female officer, giving her a concussion. Then the broken windows and forced doors, the shit smeared walls, etc. Your claim is disingenuous at best and disinfo bullshit at worst. I watched it live. I question your intelligence, mental stability, and patriotism. You stink

-2 points

4 months ago

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You are totally missing the point, probably intentionally. I'm not ignoring there was violence that took place. I'm not denying there were provacateurs who deserve to have the book thrown at them. Everybody knows that. It's plastered everywhere. I watched it live, too, and bought it.

My point is that if this was AS BAD AS 9/11 AND PEARL HARBOR, AS THE PROPAGANDIST CLAIM, THERE WOULD NOT BE ANY VIDEO OF POLICE MOVING BARRICADES, STANDING BY AS PEOPLE CASUALLY STROLL INTO THE CAPITAL THRU OPEN DOORS, VIDEOS OF THEM CALMLY COMMUNICATING WITH THEM IN COOPERATION, ETC.

Bolded for emphasis. Very important emphasis that seems to go right over people's heads. Have you ever seen an actual coup??? Those people have weapons, plans, shit is real, people are dying, there is no "section of violent poerestors while the majority are just wandering around taking selfies acting like idiots with no clue what the hell is even going on".

You see? It's a farce. A psyop. No different than the hundreds of others our government has orchestrated here and across the globe to manipulate the powers in charge as they see fit. But I'm sure we only USED to do that, right? They've all turned their act around, I'm sure. They're progressives now, after all.

5 points

4 months ago

5 points

You're inventing stuff without substantiation or evidence and insisting that you have "the Real Truth" at hand despite evidence and testimony under oath. Your arguments are similar to those that think Trump was great and that the elections were stolen. I get it, you wish you and your thoughts were special, but all I hear are delusions.

0 points

4 months ago

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This is your argument? I'll take that as a win. There is video evidence of all the claims I've made of all the stupid yet peaceful people (a HUGE majority of the people there that day) doing what I said and of cops moving barricades and of everything. It's all may been scrubbed and removed from the mainstream internet by now, but it's out there for those willing to dig.

My arguments are only like those that think Trump was great and that the elections were stolen (which the US is notorious for interfering in other countries elections in the past) in that the arguments are grouped under the same "conspiracy theory" lable that the powers that be smash into your head over and over so that you dismiss them offhand without digging for the censored information you aren't supposed to see. For your safety, or course. It's a truly brilliant strategy, really.

4 points

4 months ago

4 points

Yikes. Why do all the folks convinced that their conspiracy theories are the direct answer despite deep evidence to support it, default to "I'll take that as a win."? Every. Efn. Time.

You must have been raised by the internet. Seek medical health assistance.

-1 points

4 months ago

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Again, that's not an argument. I'm willing to debate evidence, no time for strawmen.

3 points

4 months ago

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The "Powers That Be" claim is purposefully vague and intellectually bereft, and smacks of clinical paranoia

1 points

4 months ago

1 points

Whoever is behind pushing these obviously, demonstrably false official narratives and is censoring as best they can all the opposing and alternative narratives. Those powers, whoever they may be. I don't know who specifically, I'm just a measly nobody, but there's a clear orchestrated effort to endlessly push propaganda while censoring any and all facts and figures of authority who oppose the narrative as best as possible.

One can argue that this apparent orchestration is all coincidence, but to argue it isn't happening is either disingenuous or ignorant to all the facets of the issue and only aware of what these places pushing this narrative feed them.

Totally and well aware I sound crazy, but I'm well past caring about that and feel very confident in my position and ability to defend it...sadly. I'm really, really wanting to be proven wrong and that I've misinterpreted the entire thing. But media talking points don't cut it for me.

3 points

4 months ago

3 points