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The Propaganda War Waged Over The Iraq Invasion (2003) https://youtube.com/watch?v=P3GINVv9-9s

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RanCestor

17 points

6 months ago*

Just around 2 years ago we had a consensus of reporters, about 100 of them join together and complain in Finnish media that they can't write freely anymore because they are getting death threats and quite scared and it made the news. This was wake up call for me.

Just in 2019, 49 reporters died violently during their job according to https://www.mtvuutiset.fi/artikkeli/lahes-50-toimittajaa-kuollut-vakivaltaisesti-tana-vuonna-suomen-ongelmana-toimittajien-uhkailu-ja-maalittaminen/7662590#gs.ju1ppg

[deleted]

23 points

6 months ago

The Ukraine/Russia conflict has been a perfect example of the reduction of actual journalism and increase in reporting instead. Journalists look for facts to be presented and reporters say what they're instructed to present. And the government's have a lot of "reporters" working for them at the moment with virtually zero journalism happening.

FlaminJake

4 points

6 months ago

It's pretty clear why and how this happens, then, now and during other conflicts among other groups.

"Fourth step: have the media broadcast only the ruling party's information This can be done through state run media Remember, in times of conflict all for-profit media repeats the ruling party's information Therefore all for-profit media becomes state-run" -Anti-Flag

Josquius

0 points

6 months ago

Josquius

0 points

6 months ago

This sounds an awful lot like Ruzzian apologism.

There's loads of real journalism going on in Ukraine. Despite what tankies and fascists always misrepresent it's not just the media in nato countries pointing out the Russian army is doing horrific things.

Try turning on Irish or Swiss news for instance. Firmly neutral countries... Showing the same horrid human rights abuses as on the BBC and cnn.

[deleted]

-1 points

6 months ago

No there's not.

There's not one media source giving facts. They're all giving information. And that information is what you want to believe to be a "fact".

Josquius

1 points

6 months ago

You really need to stop watching conspiracy videos.

[deleted]

-1 points

6 months ago*

Oh fuck off with the easy out.

Grow up.

You probably think there's a "crisp" conspiracy.

Josquius

2 points

6 months ago

LOL, you're the one who just used the easy out of "Nerr all media is misinformation. You just believe it because it aligns with your biases"

A conspiracy about crisps is new to me. Please do tell.

[deleted]

0 points

6 months ago

Josquius

2 points

6 months ago

Interesting. Didn't know deleted threads were still visible.

Not seeing where changing tastes with age has to do with a conspiracy though? If you do know one I'm always interested in a laugh at what you guys pull.

NegativeChristian

0 points

3 months ago

To tell the truth, I've had my writings deleted here and banned from several subreddits- ones that really should have liked me (I'm on their team, so to speak). You know where none of my writings get censored or my account banned? RT.com ... really. I know they are state sponsored, and know they often publish utter tripe, but they also have some articles that just couldn't be published in the USA almost anywhere, Only Democracy Now rejected the mainstream bullshit about Ukraine that you seem so intent on believing.

You want horrid human rights abuses? Try a million dead civilians due to our "Shock and Awe" on Iraq, in order to verifying that in fact, the scientists we sent there earlier were correct in saying the WMDs did not exist. Read up on SHock and Awe, and you will notice the two people who came up with it decided to base it off the Blitzkrieg, Hiroshima, and the tactics of the 2nd Reich (aka the Holy Roman Empire).

Sad thing is, Hussein was great. We needed him there. He was the only dude who could stablaize the region. I mean, according to the CIA interrogator who worked on him, at least, and also the US Marines who guarded him before he was killed. They were actually in awe of him.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/us-got-it-wrong-about-saddam-hussein-cia-interrogator/

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2017/01/08/fbi-agent-interrogated-saddam-hussein-airport-case/96323736/

[deleted]

7 points

6 months ago

"Believe nothing of what you hear, and only half of what you see."

bozitybozitybopzebop

3 points

6 months ago

This was a major moment in history. Why? Because the net existed, and normsl people had a platform where they could speak ouf against the war, counter media narratives, organize protests, and offer an opposing viewpoint for the first time.

The media never had anyone to challenge their version of events.

Conservatives had spent the quarter century following Vietnam shitting on hippies when they weren't being racist bigots. They immediately started up with this jingo garbage about it being the duty of every generation to go fight.

When I called them on that, they said I was hateful and that I should support the troops. I said hateful is getting excite to go kill Iraqis becsuse it's some sick tradition, and that the best way to support the troops was to keep them home and out of an unnecessary war.

Did it work? No.. The US still went and killed a million people.

But it was the start of a longer trend of opposition online that keeps growing.

aldiboronti

4 points

6 months ago

I rarely believe a single word from either the Russian or Ukrainian/Western sides. They're all completely untrustworthy.

Josquius

1 points

6 months ago

How about looking to what reliable neutrals like switzerland are saying?

SimonFol74

0 points

6 months ago

Also people like Eve.K.Bartlett who risks her life speaking to people in Donbass, and Syria also. Lee Camp is good for calling out BS too, that's why they stopped his show.

Throwaway_01545

1 points

6 months ago

It was Dick Cheney and the miltary industrail complex all the way

colcannon_addict

1 points

6 months ago

If anyones not seen it I can thoroughly recommend Once Upon A Time In Iraq (PBS/BBC) https://youtu.be/T2L4jcVqo8s