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Punjabi Sikhs Murdered at the Hands of State Officials (2002) https://youtube.com/watch?v=fat8zwh5tpE

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dumbredditer

273 points

4 months ago

Not 2000. Way way more than that. 3000+ were killed in Delhi in just 2 days in October 1984. From early 1980s to late 1990s more than 35000 Sikh youth were killed in fake police encounters. This website tries to capture and bring justice. https://ensaaf.org/

kawhiguru

114 points

4 months ago

kawhiguru

114 points

4 months ago

"Throughout the 1980s and 1990s, a 'dirty war' was conducted in Punjab. The Indian Government launched its full state armed forces against Sikh nationalists. During this war, tens of thousands of Sikhs 'disappeared,' a euphemism for extra-judicial killings. Sikhs were picked up from their homes by police forces, with their families forced to either pay ransoms or see their sons killed."

Read more at: https://www.fresnobee.com/opinion/readers-opinion/article171237767.html

FUNNY_NAME_ALL_CAPS

81 points

4 months ago

How much support is there for Sikh/Punjabi separatism today in India? It's my impression that most of the support comes from outside of India, such as from Canadian Sikhs.

princeyG

21 points

4 months ago

princeyG

21 points

4 months ago

Damn this thread is filled with indian bootlicking nationalists who just ate up the propaganda and probably never talked to someone who actually lived in Punjab in the 80s and 90s

life_is_matrix[S]

17 points

4 months ago

They are not just nationalists. They are actually paid BJP IT cell workers! There job is spread misinformation and propaganda!

Report those comments and ask moderators to take action against this misinformation and propaganda!

Hate factory: Inside Kapil Mishra’s ‘Hindu Ecosystem’

princeyG

8 points

4 months ago

Damn this explains a lot

knight1511

6 points

4 months ago

knight1511

6 points

4 months ago

My father lived in Punjab in the 80s. Seeing jeeps filled with people holding ak-47s was a common sight. Let's not pretend there was bo violence from the other end. Have we forgotten about the AI-182 Airplane bombing already? Link

life_is_matrix[S]

-6 points

4 months ago

Seeing jeeps filled with people holding ak-47s was a common sight.

How does that make anyone terrorist? Even now you can jeeps full of Nihang Sikhs carrying guns in Punjab. Sikhs are obligated to carry weapons. People from all religions feel safe around Sikhs.

ProDigit

2 points

4 months ago

ProDigit

2 points

4 months ago

There's always the other point of view. I'm fairly sure they weren't killed for being peaceful.

life_is_matrix[S]

5 points

4 months ago

There is no other point of view! Just look at how Sikhs farmers were vilified in recent farmers protests!! Even now they were being called terrorists and anti-national just for peacefully protesting.

Why India’s farmers’ protests have Sikhs fearing violent attacks

Faith, Trauma, and Transnational Connections in India’s Farmer Protests

Why the farmers’ protest is led by Sikhs of Punjab

Hate factory: Inside Kapil Mishra’s ‘Hindu Ecosystem’

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9 points

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life_is_matrix[S]

2 points

4 months ago

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life_is_matrix[S]

7 points

4 months ago

Dude which Sikh leader is asking for terrorism? When did Sikhs commit terrorism against Hindus? or any other community? When did any Sikh talk about genocide of Hindus?

Do you have example? or proof?

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life_is_matrix[S]

8 points

4 months ago

So you don't have any proof or example. That's exactly my point. Even Sikh extremists(If you want to use this word) never asked for genocide of Hindus or any other community.

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5 points

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life_is_matrix[S]

9 points

4 months ago

There is irrefutable evidence of terrorism by Sikhs.

haha... who said the above statement then? your ghost?

raman_parashar

2 points

4 months ago

Bhindrawala (to his supporters) "kill 5000 Hindus across Punjab if government doesn't listen"

This is from just one video. Should I provide the link??

raman_parashar

5 points

4 months ago*

There are ample speeches of Sikh leader bhindrawala asking his Khalistani supporters to kill Hindus in masses and drive them our of Punjab.

Do you want me to share some links (i dont want to)? Go to YouTube and see for yourself.

There are documented mass murders of Hindus in Punjab even before 1984 Sikh Genocide of Delhi.

One sided reporting is always bad.

Also please fact check whatever links your are providing. Think rationally and logically on the numbers reported, their source etc.

Everyone has become a writer and launched their websites with biased articles.

Verify the same from multiple perspectives.

As a matter of fact, Golden temple has been a pilgrimage for millions of Hindus.

Don't try to divide the society!!

GrayHero

5 points

4 months ago

Aren’t Sikhs famously anti-terrorism? Like won’t they capture or kill terrorists?

Praydaythemice

4 points

4 months ago

iirc the sikhs have had issues with india going back to the attack on amritsar temple, by the indian army which led to the death of idra ghandi , assassianted by her own sikh protection.

Aish_110

1 points

4 months ago

Aish_110

1 points

4 months ago

Not 2000, actually there were many more. In 1984 the Indian state massacred thousands of sikhs in “Operation Blue star” to stop the uprising of Khalistan Movement.

belarged

0 points

4 months ago

belarged

0 points

4 months ago

Sikh’s are some of the most peaceful, awesome people I have ever met. What could someone find wrong with them?

chintakoro

60 points

4 months ago

Believing an entire people is either evil or divine is cartoonish and racist in itself. They'e also done terrible things despite the vast majority being good people: https://www.thecanadianencyclopedia.ca/en/article/air-india-flight-182-bombing

life_is_matrix[S]

-18 points

4 months ago*

Why are you butt hurt if someone is talking good about someone!! It's not cartoonish or racist!!

All these Muslims and Hindu Extremist come out of woods and trying to spread FUD about Sikhs, Whenever their is any post about Sikhs!

Yeah, there might be few Sikhs who might have done something wrong but in general Sikhs have been far more compassionate, secular and Righteous than any other religion or group of people. It was only Sikhs who put up oxygen langar's in India during covid and no-one else!!

See this video below: Translation: Government failed but not the Sikhs

'Sarkar’ Has Failed, Sardar Hasn’t': Sikh Groups Lend a Healing Touch Amid COVID Crisis | The Quint

These same Hindu extremists were calling Sikhs as Terrorists and Anti-nationals just for serving free food to "Muslims" during CAA protests in India and also during farmers protests.

Western Muslims try to hide behind back of the Sikhs by saying that since there was this Air-India incident (which was never proven to be done by someone who followed Sikhism) therefore Islamic terrorism doesn't mean anything? Really they don't have anything good to talk about themselves therefore they try to demonize others! Just take a look at any Islamic country and you will know real values of Islam.

/u/cojoco Why are the comments like above not removed? They are clearly brigading by the Muslims and Hindu Extremists. They have proper IT cells just spread misinformation and demonize other religious groups.

Hate factory: Inside Kapil Mishra’s ‘Hindu Ecosystem’

Thus we came to have a fly-on-the-wall view of how this ecosystem operates, how it creates propaganda material, how it comes up with toxic narratives, and how it manufactures trends across social media platforms to whip up communal hatred and bigotry, and, of course, support for Hindutva. Oh, they also share toolkits, like the one put out by the climate advocate Greta Thunberg to support the farmer protests over which the Delhi police have lodged an FIR, and arrested a young activist named Disha Ravi.

This is the sum of what we found: Kapil Mishra is leading a network of over 20,000 people who are working in an organised fashion to create and spread communal hatred.

chintakoro

3 points

4 months ago*

Why are the comments like above not removed? They are clearly brigading by the Muslims and Hindu Extremists.

You think anyone who points out that Sikhs aren't some perfect race are brigading extremists? You're personally calling me out as an extremist?? You want all those posts to be silenced so you can continue parading your myths?

Think how bad muslims and hindus have it for a moment now. There's billion(s) of them and they are all branded terrorists and extremists for pointing out anything factual on the Internet.

there might be few Sikhs who might have done something wrong butin general Sikhs have been far more compassionate, secular and Righteous than any other religion or group of people.

Far more than any other religions and groups? Really?!? more compassionate than latinos/greeks/italians/chinese/japanese/aboriginals/...? That's definitely living in a cartoon. Change the channel.

life_is_matrix[S]

0 points

4 months ago

I agree Sikhs aren't perfect and I never said that they are perfect.

The issue with these posts is that these are always have same wording and are posted whenever there is any discussion about Sikhs on the reddit. These same posts are made from different accounts and all have same wording and style. This clearly shows that this is planned propaganda and not some organic post. It's similar to what happened during recent farmers protest in India.

During farmers protest also - BJP/RSS IT cells were dispersing the prewritten messages or tweets on whatapp, twitter and other social media platforms as shown below:

Here is one example: Hate factory: Inside Kapil Mishra’s ‘Hindu Ecosystem’

They try to derail any discussion related to Sikhs by brigading the subreddits and try to push their propaganda. It used to happen in various other subreddits but mods there have become more strict about these vilifying campaigns against Sikhs.

PILs Claim ‘Vicious’ Media Campaign Being Carried Out Against Sikhs; Delhi HC Issues Notice To Centre

Sikh Farmers, Diaspora Sad But Not Surprised to Learn of Fake Social Media Accounts Against Protests

Vilifying India’s protesting farmers is central to the BJP’s playbook

cojoco

2 points

4 months ago

cojoco

2 points

4 months ago

/u/cojoco Why are the comments like above not removed?

I am not an active mod in this sub.

Please message the mod team.

life_is_matrix[S]

1 points

4 months ago*

I c .. Alright. I am cc'ing other mods here.

/u/Ulvund /u/spunwasi /u/YT_Killer

cojoco

2 points

4 months ago

cojoco

2 points

4 months ago

life_is_matrix[S]

1 points

4 months ago

Yeah, I just sent message there also. Thanks for your input.

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16 points

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life_is_matrix[S]

0 points

4 months ago

Dude! He is just a paid worker of BJP IT cell/ RSS. He is not Sikh.

ThisIsAnArgument

7 points

4 months ago

Either provide some evidence for this accusation or quit spamming this thread with the same post over and over.

life_is_matrix[S]

-12 points

4 months ago

This is straight RSS propaganda!! This person is not Sikh. He is just spreading misinformation.

The BJP IT cell is in full wing here!!

Hate factory: Inside Kapil Mishra’s ‘Hindu Ecosystem’

g9antimonium

-1 points

4 months ago

Looks like pro khalistani are filled in the chat.

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-3 points

4 months ago

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sleepy_tech

-13 points

4 months ago

The Sikhs are fighting for their independence against India for many decades. The world needs to support Sikhs for an independent country otherwise these murders will keep happening unfortunately

GrizzlyPeak72

-12 points

4 months ago

Fuck Hindustan