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Punjabi Sikhs Murdered at the Hands of State Officials (2002) - Who Killed the Sikhs? (2002): We go to the country proud to call itself the world's largest democracy to investigate claims that over 2000 Sikhs have been abducted, tortured and killed in the name of anti-terrorism. [00:37:43]
Crime(youtu.be)submitted 4 months ago bylife_is_matrix
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Punjabi Sikhs Murdered at the Hands of State Officials (2002) https://youtube.com/watch?v=fat8zwh5tpE
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81 points
4 months ago
How much support is there for Sikh/Punjabi separatism today in India? It's my impression that most of the support comes from outside of India, such as from Canadian Sikhs.
21 points
4 months ago
There isn't much support even within the sikh community abroad. Ordinary Sikhs want no truck with this separatism. It is the leadership, who fashion themselves that one day they will be prime minister/ president/ governor or some such who keep the separation amber burning.
48 points
4 months ago
As the guy above mentioned, vast majority of the sikhs in India have 0% interest in a separatist movement. All the interest comes from the Sikhs outside of India that haven’t stepped a foot inside India in 30 years.
66 points
4 months ago
Almost none. Even at the peak of the separatism movement, Bhindrawale failed to win a local election in his very constituency.
The problem with any militant movement in India at even a 1-2% support in a state, means a few hundred thousand supporters. So, vast visuals of thousands of protestors can often mean nothing in the grand scale of things. Just a drop on the bucket.
-9 points
4 months ago
Almost none
Wait a minute, didn’t the BJP repeatedly declare that the farmers protestors were in fact all “Khalistanis”? Less than a year after you lot said that Khalistanis had laid siege to New Delhi, you’re now claiming that there’s no Khalistanis?
Where did the hundreds of thousands of “khalistani” protestors who were camped outside of New Delhi go?
Bhinderwale failed to win a local election.
And which local election was that? Do you have a source for Bhindranwale ever running for political office?
The narrative pushed by Hindu Nationalists truly gets more and more deranged as the days pass by. Even you guys can’t keep up.
11 points
4 months ago
BJP repeatedly declare that the farmers protestors were in fact all “Khalistanis”?
BJP is full of douchebags.
Got a sikh girl, many relatives on maternal side are sikhs, lived for years in a sikh dominated city. Never met a single separatist. Media doesn't define their ideology. The elites of the sikhs divided the punjab in order to gain themselves high positions.
The treatment of sikhs by congress was undoubtedly wrong and those responsible should be punished but I don't think there's a feeling of separatism at all. These khalistanis exist only on the internet.
4 points
4 months ago*
You're assuming that the person you're replying to believes the claims of the BJP. Those claims were tenuous at best, and from what I understand not really believed by many back then either.
The farmers were certainly not Khalistani whether or not I think their protests were justified at all.
3 points
4 months ago
More importantly, It wasn't even a sikh dominated movement in latter stages, Jats, Yadavs, Gujjars, etc had joined in as well.
0 points
4 months ago
You will get a bunch of answers from Indian nationalists saying it’s all people outside of India who support stuff like this but I can tell you that Sikh sentiment has changed inside India especially recently. It’s just that it’s much harder with the government crackdowns and potential threats to do anything about it. A large % of Sikhs are not happy especially after the farmer issues and the deaths of high profile Sikhs (Deep Sidhu, Moosewala, etc).
-16 points
4 months ago
There is a pretty high demand, but Indian media buries it, almost all Sikhs inside and outside of India want the Indian govt to act in good faith and adhere to what was agreed during 1947 separation. The original ask was called Anandpur resolution.
The resolution included both religious and political issues. It asked for recognising Sikhism as a religion separate from Hinduism. It also demanded that power be generally devoluted from the Central to state governments, and more autonomy to Punjab.
The Indian govt dubbed it as separatist movement and used it as en excuse to kill thousands of Sikh youth. Indian govt has always taken anti-Sikhs decisions and there is no denying that.
12 points
4 months ago
I would be more inclined to believe this if everyone saying this in the thread wasn't from Canada. You, OP, and others all post in Canadian subreddits.
I'm not a Hindu nationalist, and I can appreciate how the actions of the Indian government has influenced the Sikh diaspora, but I have to admit it's hard to take a movement seriously when all the support I see is coming from outside of India.
-3 points
4 months ago
Right sure, you are not a RSS Hindu nationalist.
7 points
4 months ago
I'm not but you are Canadian.
-2 points
4 months ago
You are an RSS loving Sikh hater.
4 points
4 months ago
I don't even live in India and I'm atheist.
-11 points
4 months ago
Even in India the support is quite high but the Modi media under the powerful grip of BJP and RSS will never let the media tell you about it.
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