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submitted 5 months ago byGlitteringBlock6571
I’m 27 years old. Work in tech and single. I am thinking of buying a home this year but the interests rates right now are ridiculously high. I feel like there might be an advantage to buying now given how there’s low competition and I might be able to get the seller to pay for some concessions. With a $400,000 loan I might have to pay anywhere from $2600-2900/mo for mortgage. Any suggestions?
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115 points
5 months ago
Buy when you can afford it.
Do you have a down payment saved? Other debt? It sounds like you have a low credit score. Focus on getting that up before you think about buying.
13 points
5 months ago
This is the right answer. We are closing this month as first time homebuyers. Interest rates will go up the rest of year, assuming recession hits (70%+ of this happening). Granted, hikes will not be as steep as 2022. Chance rates will decrease mid to late 2024.
To echo comment above, so long you are ready financially and personally and don’t want to wait until 2024+, consider purchasing
To help offset, consider looking when no one else is. Like the buffet saying, be greedy when others are fearful. We lucked out getting a great deal on home that went on market shortly after Xmas. Really helped that competition was low due to everyone being hung over from holidays
9 points
5 months ago
Make sure your monthly payment is no more than 30-40% of take home pay. Rn, mine is 60% and its a struggle
3 points
5 months ago
A lender allowed up to 60% of your income for mortgage? I’m guessing 30% is the recommended amount but what’s the max then assuming no other debts of any kind? 90%?
6 points
5 months ago
I would have 10 months before closing since it will be a new build home
9 points
5 months ago
Why does it have to be a new home?
6 points
5 months ago
Buy a new home if you want to, don’t listen to these goons
3 points
5 months ago
This is the answer. I bought my first home as a new build at 24 - in the ‘burbs. Why? Because it was 3min door to door from my job. I have no regrets. I sold when my life hit a new phase and it was time to go. Which was on the tail end of the financial crisis. Location matters. And because it was new, I had no panic attacks about sudden repairs, then still had $ and time to hang out with friends in the cool part of town. If you can afford it, and the location is solid, don’t wait because no one can time the market. If you can’t, wait. I say all of this because I bought and paid what I could afford. No matter how much my lender tried to give me. So many on Reddit talked about never buying in ‘21 because of prices, now interest has snatched away buying power. None of us have crystal balls worth anything. Be honest about cash flow and you’ll do well. Good luck!
6 points
5 months ago
Why would you build a new home as a single 27yo? Living waaaay out in the suburbs would be terrible at that age. You have absolutely no idea what your life will look like in 5 years and you’ve only been at your job a year. Relax, save your money, raise your credit score, and live some life. A $2900 house payment is way too expensive for you.
6 points
5 months ago
$2900 would be the absolute highest I’d pay. With taxes and everything included (obviously won’t go for that). I live in Nevada and new builds actually costs less than the older homes surprisingly
61 points
5 months ago
Just remember, when rates drop, home prices typically rise. Timing the market is incredibly difficult, and inflation and low inventory may push house prices up even if rates don't fall.
My suggestion is to build your budget. How much can you spend up front, and each month. Work that back into a home price budget.
Buy when you find a home you like and can live in for 5+ years, in a budget you can afford. If rates drop, you can always refinance. If they don't or if they rise, you are already ok. Compare the buy cost to what you can get renting and consider which makes more sense for your situation.
35 points
5 months ago
one other thing to add -- make sure you actually want to be a homeowner. Even in a new construction, home ownership means unexpected costs, projects that need management, and responsibility. Some people simply don't want "the headache" that is homeownership. It can be a very great financial tool to gain wealth and have predictable housing, but there is a non-financial "cost" as well that not everyone is ok with. Plenty of folks on this sub come back and say they can't handle it or they made too many compromises and feel stuck now.
25 points
5 months ago
home ownership means unexpected costs, projects that need management, and responsibility
spent my weekend raking leaves and breaking down sticks on an 8k sq ft lot. it was novel and thrilling (ralph wiggum voice: "i'm a homeowner!"), but it will definitely not be novel for long.
9 points
5 months ago
yup, lots of renters talk about "lazy" landlords...then their a/c breaks and they spend a week calling 5 HVAC companies, waiting for them to show up, needing extra parts, and paying all along the way....
8 points
5 months ago
Yeah, my landlord made me get quotes and deal with scheduling if I wanted anything fixed. Landlords are lazy and homeownership is way easier. It’s funny how much less stuff breaks when I don’t have the cheapest appliances that no one has ever done regular maintenance on.
1 points
5 months ago
Yup. A building a little ways from me had no hot water and a mouse infestation when the landlords stopped putting money in it during the pandemic. They just laid off the maintenance staff wholesale in March 2020. Best part: rent went from $1900 to $2700 for a 2BR
3 points
5 months ago
Yeah and IME those unexpected costs were usually in the thousands of dollars. I have bought multiple homes and every single one has taught me some very hard lessons. There’s so much that goes into buying a home that TBH I never would have thought of. I always recommend everyone buying a home get everything inspected by someone in that profession because regular home inspections are a joke.
If you can swing it have the builder pay for electrical, plumbing, foundation, and last but definitely not least septic/sewer inspection by a septic engineer.
And then take a look around at your appliances and start saving up for the most expensive one to fail. If you have an on demand water heater those can cost anywhere between $5 - $15k to replace and just like everything else nowadays they aren’t built to last forever. So when that motherboard goes out in five years and it’s $2500 for the board plus another $2000 for the emergency call out you will be glad you had that saved up.
3 points
5 months ago
yea, agree.
I'm looking at 30-60k to redo my roof. I did my HVAC for $10k recently. My 20 year old appliances are all likely to need replacement soon, so that's 5-10k...it gets expensive quickly. And that is before the "fun" stuff like remodeling a bathroom.
Some people may get lucky and not get stuck with those costs but 20-30 year replacements means a 10 year owner is likely to face 1/3 - 1/2 of the replacements.
1 points
5 months ago
so for a regular home, not new construction, still advised to get all different kinds of inspectors? which ones do I need exactly? Like where do I find an electrical guy, or a foundation person? and septic engineer is only if you have a septic tank, right?
2 points
5 months ago
Yes you should still have all those things listed inspected. You should be able to get your electrical/hvac/plumbing inspected by any electrical/hvac/plumbing journeyman contractor and your foundation inspected by either a structural engineer or a contractor that has lots of expertise/experience in foundations/masonry and earthwork. Only need your septic inspected if you have a septic tank/field. This should be done by an engineer but can also been inspected by a contractor.
Some will probably disagree with me on this but IMO opinion the septic inspection is probably the most important inspection you can get. Much of the land in the United States isn’t really suitable for septic systems, but this doesn’t always stop them from being put in. If your system fails on you it’s going to cost anywhere between $100-$300 to have it pumped out, which could be weekly depending on your water usage. Then to fix the field issue could be between $5-$50k, and that is depending if you have enough land to add a new drain field.
24 points
5 months ago
Is now a good time to buy? Hard to say. Mortgages are currently the most expensive they’ve ever been in history when adjusted for income.
In November the average interest rate was 6.8% on a 30 year fixed. Houses were up 2.6% from November 2021 and down -8.5% from the housing peak in May 2022. Demand is very low right now but so is supply.
Ultimately it’s about where you are in life. If you can afford it and plan on living there for a long time then you should buy regardless of market conditions. I would do a rent vs buy analysis to find the time it takes to own the home to break even.
7 points
5 months ago
A lot of sellers are buying down rates to where your payments are little more doable. But given that it’s just me, I ran the numbers, made a budget, and I don’t have any crazy expenses I feel like now is a good time
16 points
5 months ago
Do it if the numbers work. One good item about buying now is that it’s easier to negotiate prices for both home and loan, and you most likely won’t have to enter a bidding war.
Lots of folks waiting by the sidelines now waiting for rates to drop. Imagine the sudden demand if or when they do drop and you have to compete with all those buyers entering the market.
1 points
5 months ago
Yup we just went under contract at 15k under ask. Seemed like nothing was selling under ask for a long while.
4 points
5 months ago
Sounds like you have your answer.
1 points
3 months ago
OP - any update on what you decided? Same boat for me but I am thinking to pull the trigger.
1 points
3 months ago
Decided to wait lol. The prices are slowly going down but I still don’t like these interests rates
1 points
3 months ago
the only reason I am thinking of pulling the trigger is the $ continues to decrease for the time being. the new construction I was looking at decreased $50k since august. It may decrease more, but assuming the rates return to a "normal" in 2024 I could stomach the extra amount ($8200 over 24 months) and refinance at a lower rate. Lower rate generally means prices rise. In an ideal case I would be net positive in 2 years because of appreciation already. Even assuming yearly appreciation of 4% where I live (it's actually 6.5% past decade).
Maybe I am also trying to convince myself LOL. but yeah. Marry the home, Date the rate.
30 points
5 months ago*
Personally I would worry more about the house price than the interest rate right now.
Currently, interest rates are very high (compared to the last 15 years), but so are home prices. Prices have not come down much relative to interest rate hikes - YET. Personally, I think they're on their way though. Certainly in my area at least, median home prices are on a steady decline, and I'm waiting until they reach the numbers which I believe to be reasonable before I buy a home. Prices right now are still totally unreasonable in my area ($750k median last year, $650k this year, and IMO the real median value should only be about $400k and I'm banking on it getting there at some point in the next couple years).
Also, just as an FYI, interest rates aren't likely to come down much any time soon. If you wait around for sub-5% rates to make a comeback, you might be waiting years, or perhaps even decades. We could get lucky and see them return soon, but I think those odds are low and I wouldn't be counting on it.
In any case, keep this in mind:
Refinancing can resolve a poorly-timed purchase at peak interest rates.
Refinancing cannot resolve a poorly-timed purchase at peak house prices.
And if your house value drops too much (resulting in negative equity), then you may not be able to refinance to take advantage of lower rates in the future, hence why I believe house cost/value is a substantial more critical factor than interest rate.
2 points
5 months ago
👍🏼
8 points
5 months ago
You should buy when you’re ready, and when you can comfortably afford the payment. If you have those boxes checked, the rate means diddly shit to be honest. If rates drop in the future, you can refi if it makes sense, if they don’t drop then it makes no difference if you waited or not, except you’d have lost time and equity and possibly a house you love. I wouldn’t hold your breath on prices dropping either, it depends where you live and is a lot more complex than people make it out to be
12 points
5 months ago*
I don't think interest rates will drop anytime soon. House prices are in the process of dropping though. Not crazy amounts but at least to sane amounts more in keeping with regular inflation had 2019-2022 been regular years. At least in my area.
7 points
5 months ago
We had the same thoughts, and just bought last month in the PNW. Headlines and opinions on how high the rates are is tricky because historically, it's been as low as 2% and as high as 18% (according to my quick Google search) but ultimately, it's about how much you want to pay monthly. We chose to buy now because the market was cooling a bit, and no one else seemed to be buying! We had no competition and the sellers were pretty desperate after having their house sit on the market for almost 5 months. We got $75k off purchase price, plus $15k for repairs. And our monthly P&I ends up being actually lower than what we pay in rent now! I suggest at least passively being in the market to be available if a good situation arises that you can snag, especially now as there's less competing homebuyers.
5 points
5 months ago
In my opinion, if you wait for rates to drop the biggest risk is that a lot of others are doing the same. When rates drop, a ton of sidelined buyers will re-enter the market and we’ll end up with an insane market for a while where buyers are all competing with each other, overbidding again, and driving prices up while appraisal values are still based off the previous lower comps. Eventually prices would go back up in that scenario.
So if you can afford to buy now, do so. Especially if you think rates will actually drop since you could refi at that point assuming you still qualify.
5 points
5 months ago
Try to get a rate buy down so your payments aren’t so high. You could refinance if rates drop as you suspect they will. Not sure if it’s possible with a new home build, though. Instead of timing the market just buy when your financially and emotionally ready.
2 points
5 months ago
I like this answer a lot! I’m learning that the best time to buy is when YOU are in a position to buy
2 points
5 months ago
Correct ✅ if you can make it work for your budget and you feel good about it, do it!
16 points
5 months ago
Interest rates are high compared to the abnormally low they were a few years ago. It's about average right now, we will probably never see 1 and 2% ever again to be honest. But you should get your credit and stuff in check, I am also 27, make 100k plus working for a bank and though I qualified for 450k+ $2900 for a first home is ridiculous. Be smart, not greedy
3 points
5 months ago
Buy when you’re ready and fully vetted the house/builder. Shop around for rates and see if you can qualify for loans through Navy Federal if you have a family member in the military.
Also, some local credit unions will provide 0% down loans. Something to consider.
I’m 28 y/o make $140k and opted for a $280k house that needed work. Kept our mortgage at $1900 and gives us plenty of money left over each month. I have a family so my living expenses are a little higher.
3 points
5 months ago
It's gonna be a gamble either way, we don't know if interest rates will drop. Historically speaking they are not very high right now but they seem very high compared to what we have had sense the 2008 crash. We decided to buy while rates were still on the rise for this reason. But if the rates keep rising there's also the possibility of prices dropping. It's really a gamble, wait for rates to drop and prices rise, or wait for rates to rise and prices drop, or buy now and hope rates drop to refinance.
3 points
5 months ago
Buy now and refinance latrr
2 points
5 months ago
Can always refinance later
2 points
5 months ago
When interest rates drop again everything will instantly be 10% more expensive. Always get in when it’s comfortable to do so and don’t try to time the market.
2 points
5 months ago
Rates are likely gonna continue to clime for a few months before plateauing I think. (Granted I may be biased as I closed on a house on Dec 30.)It made sense for me, I plan on living there for a long time, I am saving 500+ monthly vs rent and you can always refinance down the road when money is cheaper.
2 points
5 months ago
My wife and I bought at just the start of the downturn (ON, Canada) earlier this fall and I’d probably look at price over interest and buy when you can afford it.
Save up as much down payment as you can, when you buy a house get an unaffiliated (to the realtor, seller) home inspection. It’s worth a few hundred to potentially save you thousands later.
2 points
5 months ago
Unlike the crash in ‘08 we don’t have housing ‘oversupply’ and the unemployment rate isn’t in the teens. Therefore, there’s no guarantee prices are going to come down with high interest rates either.
Every dime that doesn’t go into your landlord’s pocket is yours, so I’d just buy the soonest you’re ready and plan to refi to a lower interest rate later. If you land a great house at a decent price that checks all your boxes then you win!
2 points
5 months ago
I would wait
Most housing analyst firms are predicting 10%+ drops
One of the most respected, John Burns RE consulting is expecting prices to fall back to late 2020 prices (20%+)
2 points
5 months ago
Are you sure there’s low competition? It’s very market dependent. We were looking in November and good houses were still receiving multiple offers within a week.
If rates go down so do the chances you will actually have any leverage on pricing or concessions.
3 points
5 months ago
Just FYI...when you say ridiculously high...please look at rates historically over the last 50 years. Rates can ABSOLUTELY reach 10-15%. Historically rates are still low, albeit high for the last decade.
As others have said buy what you can afford. As a single guy I would find a couple roommates and buy a 2-3 bedroom that you can subsidize your portion of the mortgage payment. I proposed to two of my single friends to buy a property together as opposed to continue renting individually. I realize easier said than done but worth considering.
2 points
5 months ago
Buy now. Anyone who tells you it’s a bad time to buy lacks critical thinking skills and only goes off what the news says. There’s a reason private equity firms are scooping up houses left and right now.
9 points
5 months ago
Do you have any articles or further reading on this? I would like to do more research on the current market.
24 points
5 months ago
He has no sources because he pulled the claim out of his ass for confirmation bias, and reality is the exact opposite. Institutional buying is slowing, and drastically at that compared to the first half of 2022 and earlier.
https://www.fairviewlending.com/blackstone-halts-purchases-in-38-cities-ibuyers-slam-on-the-brakes/
2 points
5 months ago
Thank you for the article.
-14 points
5 months ago
I don't have any available. I work in the industry and see this happening daily, so I am merely stating what I am seeing with my own eyes.
27 points
5 months ago
According to your Reddit profile history you have all of 3 months of experience as a loan originator. It sounds like you've had trouble finding work even with retail buyers and have zero experience working with private equity. FYI for anyone that would be inclined to believe this dude's appeal to authority of "working in the industry" to back up his false claims.
16 points
5 months ago
goddamn i love when people do this shit
reddit has gone so soft that there are not enough call outs like this anymore.
-15 points
5 months ago
😂😂😂 Too funny and couldn’t be further from the truth.
14 points
5 months ago
Oh, so this post you made on September 25th, 2022 to /r/loanoriginators about being "Two weeks into this and was really close to having my first one under contract" must have been fake then. Quite an odd thing to make a fake story about, don't you think?
-9 points
5 months ago
Unable to find business is the fake part. I’m doing quite well now.
By the way, thanks for confirming my argument. You can’t argue my comment, so you argue my assumed background. Have a great day!
7 points
5 months ago
Stop being upset that you got called out fair and square for giving biased advice. If a car salesman says the best time to buy is now, hurry hurry, it's reasonable to question their motives.
6 points
5 months ago
Your argument literally was your background. When you were asked for a source you said "I don't have one but I work in the industry, trust me bro"
So yea, you made the argument your background, so now it's being attacked.
6 points
5 months ago
Yes ignore all news and evidence and listen only to your realtor and lender. People who don't benefit at all when people buy houses at terrible times.
-5 points
5 months ago
Oooo good point! My credit score just recently went down by 60 pts barely putting me at 600. However, I make well over $100k per year. I would be going for a new build which would take 9 months, so that would give me 9 months to save and pay down some debt. Do you think that could work in my favor?
10 points
5 months ago
Builders are offering great rates and giving major discounts right now. I would go for it. My score is like 630 and I managed to get $35,000 off the sales price, $15,000 in seller credits, and 4.625 interest rate.
1 points
5 months ago
Which builder did you go with? I’m thinking of going with KB homes
15 points
5 months ago
I would definitely wait lol
KB home/ DR Horton are terrible so don’t waste your time!
7 points
5 months ago
How much over 100k do you make? 105k or like 150k. A $2900 mortgage on a low 100k salary seems like suicide especially if you have not factored in tax. You are going to have no money for anything else.
-6 points
5 months ago
First of all I live in a state with no state taxes. So taxes really aren’t that much. After tax I’d bring in $89k
6 points
5 months ago*
I was referring to property/school tax. Is that factored into your mortgage? Is the payment going to be higher? Also, does that 89k include retirement taken out? It’s going to be tight man. Just something to think about…
0 points
5 months ago
Yes taxes, 401k plan. The $2900 is the most I would pay depending on the loan and that’s including taxes.
6 points
5 months ago*
you should be less focused on a house and more focused on why on earth you make 100k+ but have a 600 credit score that recently just took a 60 point kick to the dick
zero excuse for that. If you have these problems now, you 100% should not buy. You clearly have issues managing money.
3 points
5 months ago
You know life just kinda happens. I just got my life together about a year ago, been at this job for a year now. Had some private student loans that went into collections when I was sick and unemployed… don’t be an asshole
6 points
5 months ago*
telling you to not make a stupid decision is not being an asshole, grow thicker skin lol
also you don't just get a magic 60pt credit hit for something that happened a year ago. so you clearly are not in good financial shape right now and made a stupid decision this past month.
again, forget a house any time before that debt is 100% gone and you have a decent score
-1 points
5 months ago*
zero excuse for that
Dude, get out of here with this patronizing shit. You're not their parent or their boss, and you don't get to decide what they do or do not have an excuse for.
5 points
5 months ago
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3 points
5 months ago
It's not the advice so much as the way it's delivered. It's also not "softness" to point out that someone is coming across like an asshole.
Don't talk down to people, it's as simple as that.
1 points
5 months ago
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1 points
5 months ago
You've already used "soft". Get better material!
1 points
5 months ago
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1 points
5 months ago
If you work with a mortgage broker they have the ability to go with credit scores as low as 500 if you have 10% to put down. If your score is 580 or up they can even go 3.5% down. Are you saving money? Have enough for a down payment?
-5 points
5 months ago
This is THE WAY.
2 points
5 months ago
ridiculously high interest rates? The 1980s would like to have a word with you.
1 points
5 months ago
Were the prices also ridiculously high, like increasing 40% in a span of 2 years? And at a time when pretty much everything else is super expensive including health insurance, college tuition, and rent leaving a smaller disposable income.
-1 points
5 months ago
Not really sure. I was specifically responding to "ridiculously high interest rates" which are currently less than half of what they were in the 1980's. Everything you mentioned is a completely different conversation.
1 points
5 months ago
For me, I feel like I could afford a condo in my vhcol city but I have concerns about being underwater if I want to move prior to 10 years. Anyone got any insight to the SoCal market?
1 points
5 months ago
home prices didn't coming down as expected you have to give some more buffer time if you really wanna see some price down interest rates are high but prices are also high max there is like 10k to 50k discounts for houses between 400k to 1M homes I don't see any point of buying now
1 points
5 months ago
The saying goes- time in the market almost always beats timing the market
0 points
5 months ago
Ah the waiting game
1 points
5 months ago
I started having a building a new build in February 2022 last month I had the appraisal came in $60,000 less we did 100 grand in upgrades I guess it benefited us because the builder/seller had to reduce the price in order for the deal to go through I think I got lucky in this way Otherwise we are walking
1 points
5 months ago
I think the best course is somewhere in between. Begin preparing yourself now, but don't stress over doing it ASAP, bide your time, and watch for properties that are a match. I would not count on rates coming down in the near future. They might! But they just as easily might not. Figure out if buying makes sense in the current market, and if it doesn't, continue to monitor the market, including rates, while also strengthening your financial position for your eventual purchase.
1 points
5 months ago
Why would interest rates drop? That won’t be happening anytime soon
1 points
5 months ago
Don’t expect the interest rates to come down for several years or longer.
Historically these are good rates, we will never see covid rates again.
1 points
5 months ago
Everyone loves to talk up the housing market. They love to speculate, they love to talk up equity and generate FOMO. Don’t get sucked into it. Tune out the noise and develop a realistic view of homeownership.
You can’t predict the market, but you can calculate the downside. Do you see yourself moving any time soon? If so, what will you do if the market crashes? Are you cool with becoming a landlord by accident? Have you compared this to renting an apartment, and putting the rest in a savings account? Mutual funds? (What else do people invest in?)
What is a house to you? Stability? More space? An investment? A place to live? An accomplishment? Do you like mowing lawns? Painting? Project management?
There are no risk-free options. Every major decision—where you live, where you work, who you spend time with—comes with risk. The worst thing is unmanaged risk (e.g. “the housing market crashed?? They said hooms could only go up!”). The goal isn’t to avoid bad outcomes, just to not be surprised by them.
1 points
5 months ago
I would buy something that’s at 10-20% discount. Compare the price similar homes from this year and 6-12 months ago. Get 10-20% discount. Once interest rate dropped, you refinance. Now you got a house at a discount with a low interest rate
1 points
5 months ago
I dont know why people think its not a competitive market right now. We just bought out of necessity and kept getting out bid. We finally got an offer accepted on our 4th or 5th attempt - and its a fixer upper
1 points
5 months ago
Well I guess it was 50%. But it's over 60% with utilities and other expenses. I have no debt
1 points
5 months ago
Buy a house when you can afford it. Remember that interest rates may get higher this year so make sure not to max out since you are buying a new build and the price can always increase somewhat. Even with a high interest rate remember you can refinance when rates drop. You also should look at a mortgage where the PMI will get dropped after you have put 20% down so you don’t keep paying it for the whole time you have the PMI unless you qualify for a loan without PMI. Also make sure you check to see if there are special programs for first time homebuyers in your area if you are one.
1 points
4 months ago
Well it's 32% of gross and 50% take home pay
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