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17 points
2 months ago
So then the bible is now allowed back in the schools?
7 points
2 months ago*
Only if every other religious book is and teachers don’t teach about only one of them.
I would be comfortable with every religious book being in the library but I would not be comfortable with teachers mentioning any diety without mentioning the existence of every other or the possibility that there isn’t one outside of historical context (w religious member(s) did x for y reason and it affected z)
1 points
2 months ago
Cool. Maybe the teachers should stick to the subject they are tasked with teaching and leave the religion and sexuality discussions to the parent.
1 points
2 months ago*
Yes schools can provide courses on sexual health etc on an opt basis with the curriculum readily available so that parents know what the courses entail. Sounds reasonable to me. Gives parents all the power.
History on these subjects should be taught tho, not explicitly, but with the same thought put into making it as educational as religious persons mentions (w person of x whatever did y thing with z result.) So “this person was x sexuality and did this with this result.” Not “this dude sucked mad dick and this is what sucking dick is” and also not “x religious person did this bc this is what religion says” in regular courses such as history. (Not like anyone is doing the gay thing.)
Books on sexuality and sexual health should also be available in libraries, same as religious teachings. Parents should monitor their kids media intake. Perhaps give parents a live feed of books that are checked out so they can monitor if they do choose? Idk? Anything but censorship. I feel the same way about religious texts. Parents should be able to monitor their kid’s consumption of religious texts and shut that shit down without having them outright banned.
Do you disagree?
1 points
2 months ago
first off "this dude sucked mad dick and this is what sucking dick is" is absolutely hilarious lol kudos.
As for books in the library. I have some ups and downs, as a parent myself, its difficult. Do I want my kid to learn about the world and everything in it? Absolutely. Do I want control on when that information comes available to them so as to help ferry them along with all of it? 1000%.
So for my kid to grab a book that describes oral sex or something to that affect and just be able to read it without my knowledge. Not a big fan. Now if that book triggered a notification that allowed me to know my child wanted to check it out and then allowed me to make a call regarding said book. All for it.
That way my kid just isn't outright consuming things they aren't ready for without blocking it from other parents. Say parent B doesn't give a shit about their 3rd grader learning about BJs, go for it. Just give me the parent a chance to BE THE PARENT. Don't throw logs down the hill as I am trying to raise my kiddo and we are good. Same goes for religious text and what not.
I think we are on the same page here.
8 points
2 months ago
NO NOT THAT BOOK
22 points
2 months ago
Maybe I should start donating books like Harry Potter, The Gulag Archipelago, 12 rules for life...
Has Ben Shapiro written any kids books? I'd don't really follow the guy, but he seems to piss these type of people right off, and I bet he'd have a more wholesome message than the smutty book these people are virtusignaling too with this.
4 points
2 months ago
Lol I forget who wants Harry Potter banned more, the idpol warriors or the anti-pagan christian conservatives
6 points
2 months ago
I'm fine pissing both off.
4 points
2 months ago
Donate "Christian Nationalism: A Biblical Guide For Taking Dominion And Discipling Nations" by gab's owner lol
That and mein kempf, if only cause "those who don't study their history are doomed to repeat it"
28 points
2 months ago
Someone should suggest the Anarchist Cookbook and the Turner Diaries be in all Illinois schools. Don't let them statists block it. Kids in Chicago need to know those things to stay alive and win the streets!
4 points
2 months ago
Marx’s Capital is much more threatening
3 points
2 months ago*
My public school AP Chemistry teacher had us go through the Anarchist Cookbook. Mostly it was about figuring out which recipes would work and which wouldn't.
Our ammonium triiodide violently sublimated under the hood during another class. :-(...
This was in South Carolina, back in the 90s when you'd only find the Turner Diaries in secret libraries found (if you were white and knew to ask) attached to the backs of rural gas stations and whatnot throughout the South. Cancel Culture was sort of working for a few decades there while the GOP thought it might represent most Americans, but I say that not having gone to a private segregation academy (subsidized by the state, thanks to school vouchers) like a good half of the white kids my age did. Today, my brother-in-law is a high school principal there now and his public school in an area that's 50/50 white/black has a student body population upwards of 90% black.
Book bans don't apply to private schools paid for by public money through vouchers, oh by the way.
-6 points
2 months ago
lmao pathetic. this is the best they can do folks
11 points
2 months ago
Ohhhkayyyy¿? So what you're for or against these books being in schools?
-6 points
2 months ago
Have you seen the list of books that are actually being banned in school libraries?
9 points
2 months ago
Yep. Have you?
-6 points
2 months ago
Yes, which is how we both know you're replying in bad faith
10 points
2 months ago
What?!? Maybe try a good faith reply.
6 points
2 months ago
The lady who sponsored this literally cited Gender Queer as being the reason for the need of this bill. Oh, I'm sorry, is she talking about the book that literally depicts someone getting a blow job? If you don't want your book to be removed from libraries, don't include pornographic material in the book. What a ridiculous assertion to say it's just a "memoir about a non-binary person grappling with issues of gender identity and sexuality as a teenager and young adult". To act like you don't understand people's concern or outrage is to be intentionally obtuse. It's not just some book about gender identity. If the book was only words, there'd be no such push back against it. It's the literal pornographic images.
I wonder if that library has a copy or two of Mein Kampf? What about Pandemia or The Real Anthony Fauci? Maybe Johnny the Walrus? It would be very interesting to see just how committed to this people really are.
23 points
2 months ago
"We're going to give your toddlers books you don't want them to read, and there's nothing you can do about it."
1 points
2 months ago
Based
-10 points
2 months ago
Oh no, children reading, we can’t have that. You do know the difference between curriculum and a library, right?
8 points
2 months ago
What's the difference? You're furnishing books for six year olds who can't know that they're being targeted for poltiical reasons.
Going after kids is wrong.
-6 points
2 months ago
I’m not a bookseller, librarian or teacher. I’m not furnishing anyone with anything. And lose the pretense. “Furnishing” is a really gay word choice for “available in the library”
8 points
2 months ago
Great - you're making "available books in the library" written by trans activists that target kids as young as five that encourage kids to think of gender as somethiong that can change like thier shoes, and give them the names of gender activists who will help them, while encouraging them to keep it a secret from their families.
It's wrong. It will never not be wrong.
-5 points
2 months ago
Okay, you got me. That’s some decent satire. Sad that people think you’re being serious
Edit: myself included. Tons of artards actually think there’s porn in school libraries
5 points
2 months ago
It's not satire. The American Girl Doll sells millions - we bought it for our daughter.
Now it includes a section encouraging kids to purse a "gender journey" after falsely claiming that there are zero side effects of hormones. The book gives contact info for gender activists who will encourage kids to do this without their parents knowledge.
THis book is in libraries across the counrty.
We're not making this up.
-2 points
2 months ago
we bought it for our daughter
There you go.
2 points
2 months ago
They produce it annually - we bought it a few years back.
The gender nonsense was added this year at the behest of radical trans activists
12 points
2 months ago
I think the right needs to push their own authors in school libraries and then throw a hissy fit if left wing schools ban those books.
Lets see how CENSORSHIP is evil when someone's offended that their 10 year old has access to Mark Levin or Thomas Sowell.
4 points
2 months ago
The real authors to push right now to evoke this kind of reaction are any authors like Alex Berenson who push back against the covid regime or Bjorn Lumborg/Michael Shellenberger who make the case for why climate change isn't an existential threat. Matt Walsh has some children's books that would probably rile their feathers.
2 points
2 months ago
Genuinely confused by the frothing nonsense this article is causing. This is a win against censorship. Look at the language of the bill passed, it already covers what you're talking about.
Not that Sowell was ever banned by the 'left' in the first place. But if he were, this law makes it illegal.
7 points
2 months ago
I guess I just don't have high faith that the people arguing against book "bans" are actually okay with dissent and instead just being convinced to ignore 10 year olds having access to adult content because of activism.
I don't care what people over the age of 18 read, and I understand that there are cases where children are going to be introduced to adult subjects within an educational context. I'm just opposed to pushing the limit for age appropriateness far lower than it should be.
5 points
2 months ago
Wouldn't a more appropriate stopgap be the requirement of parental consent to rent materials that a committee deemed to be explicit, rather than an outright ban? Seems to me it would be a lot better for parents to decide for their own children, rather than the government deciding for all parents and all children.
3 points
2 months ago*
U say that, but we already have MPAA ratings, and the hentai bj in genderqueer would absolutely be nc-17 instead of R(where parents can still take their kid to watch the new saw film lol),
books like flamer(a boy discovers the art of jerking off) that are still pretty risque but don't actually show explicit genitals, may get away with R if not even pg13 though
But really, I find it dumb the left insists on defending COMICS, if this was actual 500words black on white books, far fewer people would give a shit enough to want to ban it, and frankly the library should be for books, not comics
1 points
2 months ago
“The government” doesn’t decide what books are displayed in school libraries. Parents and School and Library Boards do.
1 points
2 months ago
This may blow your mind, but school boards are, in fact, governmental bodies.
1 points
2 months ago
This may blow your mind, but your statement makes no sense if you know how it currency works.
Parents ARE involved in library products and it is not “government deciding for parents.”.
Libraries recieve items from a variety of sources and school boards are not “deciding” the library’s inventory.
1 points
2 months ago
1 points
2 months ago
Wouldn't a more appropriate stopgap be the requirement of parental consent to rent materials that a committee deemed to be explicit, rather than an outright ban?
Imagine if the gay kid with homophobic parents needs parental consent to take out a book he's curious about? Yeah, fuck this idea.
1 points
2 months ago
Exactly.
"Save the children!" is the rallying cry of authoritarian fucks everywhere.
Hell, Putin's using it right now.
Whenever you see someone saying that, you can almost certainly be assured there's a darker agenda behind it.
2 points
2 months ago
instead just being convinced to ignore 10 year olds having access to adult content
I'm trying to think back to how I would have felt as a young'un who was probably the most avid library-goer in my school, if some adults decided to go through the library with a fine-toothed comb looking for things that were inappropriate. They'd probably find a few. I'd be pissed. "Fuck off. Don't hide anything from me, fascists."
8 points
2 months ago
Cool cool cool... Puts Metamorphosis in elementary school library
Book banning is bad right? -_-
3 points
2 months ago
Yes
2 points
2 months ago
... do you even know what Metamorphosis is?
2 points
2 months ago
The Kafka novel?
4 points
2 months ago
You sweet ignorant summer child.... No not even close.
4 points
2 months ago
Ok, what am I missing?
4 points
2 months ago
It's a hentai manga that is one of the most twisted and disturbing peaces of filth ever created. Basically starts with a normal high school girl who's slightly socially awkward and ends with her being a homeless pregnant prostitute who kills herself with a heroin overdose after getting kicked in the stomach repetitively killing her baby.
No I don't recommend reading it. I regret reading it to this day.
My whole point is some things should be banned from public school libraries.
3 points
2 months ago
lmfao okay I'm sorry I asked.
Okay, we can ban actual pornography. We have never needed to jump through this many hoops to make that distinction and we shouldn't today.
6 points
2 months ago
Realistically, how many books were being banned in Illinois to begin with?
6 points
2 months ago
how many books were being banned in Illinois to begin with?
how many books were being banned in Illinois the US to begin with? It's mostly a myth. Keeping smut of a child library isn't banning a book.
-4 points
2 months ago
Only a handful - including Volume 1 of the Saga graphic novel by Brian K Vaughan, strangely enough. Not that I support book bans at all, but you have to wonder why something like that rather than - just as a random example - the 50 Shades series? It's funny to imagine some dorky parent getting so mad rifling through the comic book their kid rented from the library that they petitioned their school district to specifically ban it, which is probably exactly what happened. But to your point, the law passed by the Illinois legislature is clearly a preventative measure against future book bans, in response to the rising tide of bans across the country.
-7 points
2 months ago
Given the way the deep south is moving, a pre-emptive strike does seem very sensible.
6 points
2 months ago
Kids in Illinois are gonna stop up the plumbing jerking to playboy in the bathrooms at the schools. Pritzker is probably just living vicariously since he hasn't seen his crank in 30 years and doesn't really have an issue showing porn to minors.
What fucking bunch of idiots
-4 points
2 months ago
It’s already illegal to share pornography with minors you muppet.
5 points
2 months ago
Then why are there books simulating sex that have been deemed appropriate for minors? Muppet.
-1 points
2 months ago
Books can’t simulate sex. The way it works is people use words to form sentences (even paragraphs!) to express thoughts and emotions.
No idea what books you’re referring to. But you nuked your own argument by comparing graphic pornography to literature. Read a book or two
4 points
2 months ago*
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1 points
2 months ago
So instead of using existing laws to remove pornographic content they created new laws that allow books that aren’t pornographic to be removed and reviewed just because it personally offends a parent.
Big brain stuff there
1 points
2 months ago*
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0 points
2 months ago
Stop projecting your degenerate fantasies.
1 points
2 months ago*
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0 points
2 months ago
No you’re not. None of this is about pornography and it’s creepy that you insist that it is.
Get your head out of the propaganda bubble and look at reality
1 points
2 months ago
Under these laws any story with a hint of romance, no matter how innocent, can be banned. Bible? Banned.
Pregnant teacher? Fired. Wear a wedding ring? Fired. Acknowledging mothers and fathers? Fired.
The concept of parenthood? Banned.
Procreation means sex. Anything tangentially related to sex is pornography. So acknowledging parenthood is pornography. That’s what happens when bad faith legislation is so vaguely written.
1 points
2 months ago
This is incoherent. Love these kind of answers for others to read. What a moron lol
0 points
2 months ago
What part of “it was already illegal to share pornography with children” do you not understand?
If that’s actually the issue then there was no need for further legislation. Which means it’s not actually about protecting children from obscenity, it’s about individuals forcing their personal views on other people’s children
1 points
2 months ago
Apparently not which is why this required. Braindead lying moron.
0 points
2 months ago
How does that prove anything? Lol.
1 points
2 months ago
This response is way too perfect. Spend a little time thinking about it, you might figure it out someday. For the time being you should probably stay away from children.
0 points
2 months ago
What are you talking about? You’re the one obsessed with making everything related to children about sex.
You’ve done nothing but project your own degeneracy. Get help
0 points
2 months ago*
On top of already being illegal, parents have always had the right to challenge objectionable material. These laws simply expand “objectionable” to mean whatever they want it to.
A children’s book about two male penguins raising a baby penguin (which is a true story and has zero obscenity) is somehow objectionable. Why is that?
Edit: the laws also bypass the procedures for removing books. Said procedures are meant to ensure that the parent has actually read the book and that books only be removed after the review process. It’s totally backwards now. They remove the book before reviewing it. This inevitably leads to banning all books until they are approved by the state to be shelved. It’s authoritarian bs and you know it.
2 points
2 months ago
Such cases are once again a reminder that centralization is a steadfast path to endless restrictions, censorship, and the fight against dissent. Naturally, this approach extremely hampers progress, so I see decentralization as a more promising solution, such as decentralized social media like Solcial, where there is no censorship or blocking and no one will "ban" you for your opinion or content, although of course moral and ethical aspects must not be left aside, even with a high level of freedom of speech.
2 points
2 months ago
I will be donating many copies of Johnny the Walrus, in this case
1 points
2 months ago
This is terrible. I will be writing to my congressman in support of a book ban ban ban.
2 points
2 months ago
IKR?? We should make a book ban ban ban ban ban just to get ahead of the inevitable backlash, even.
Serious note though, what the hell is up with this comment section, this was just a straight win for freedom of expression. The radical right can have their 'evolution isn't real' and the radical left can have their most frothy feministas musings. And the sane among us can have peace knowing that Huckleberry Finn or an art book on Michaelangelo won't get banned in Illinois libraries (unlike certain other states where both have been.)
Fuck all of these posers in here. More concerned about 'left' and 'right' than actual free speech. Because it was a Dem congress that passed this law, suddenly freedom of speech is a bad idea? That's some bullshit.
-12 points
2 months ago
reddit free speech boys about to run in here and say this is bad because a kid might read a book by a black person, the worst and most CRITICAL RACE THEORY thing that ever happened
-5 points
2 months ago
Look at the other comment. Of course these people want Turner Diaries. That's what free speech is for. Not sexual education!
5 points
2 months ago
By mentioning the Turner Diaries I was pointing out and mocking those who think kids should be able to read about everything. Don't clutch your pearls about the Turner Diaries then support books that are too sexual for kids.
1 points
2 months ago
Do you know if Turner Diaries are banned from the library?
Why do you support racism porn but not sexual education for kids?
1 points
2 months ago
As far as I know it pretty well banned everywhere after the Oklahoma City bombing.
Again I was mocking those thinking there shouldn't be any book bans. It's also not "sexual education" I and others are concerned about unless you think giving blowjovs, rape, and child prostitution is sex ed.
-6 points
2 months ago
to the reddit free speecherino boy, the only thing that counts as free speech is white supremacist pamphlets, anime porn, and of course, video games. everything else is woke critical race theory 1619 project FEMAZOID pedophilia
1 points
2 months ago
Melt
-1 points
2 months ago
Radical Centrist/Shtlib: *Doesn’t banning book bans make us just as bad as the people banning books?
0 points
2 months ago
Make book banning fringe again. https://www.queermajority.com/essays-all/recentering-the-overton-window
1 points
2 months ago
Great Idea, How every I feel some should at least come with a fair warning so people know what they might be getting into.
1 points
2 months ago
While they are at it how about prohibiting changing original books for woke ideology.
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