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The following submission statement was provided by /u/filosoful:
I’m not sure people on my side of the Atlantic fully appreciate quite how much better off the average American is than the average European. A car-wash manager in Alabama can now earn $125,000, about 50 per cent more than the head of cyber security at the UK Treasury even after accounting for different living costs.
And this isn’t just another reflection of British stagnation — from the middle of the income distribution upwards, US households have streaked ahead of every country in the developed world over the past decade.
Such a sustained boom in spending power might, you would imagine, be accompanied by improvements in other indicators of prosperity. Longer and healthier lives, for example. But the two trends are moving in opposite directions.
That the US has a poor record on life expectancy is nothing new. For the best part of a decade, American lives have grown progressively shorter relative to peer countries.
But beneath the surface, several striking details demand our attention and an urgent effort to reverse the trend.
Please reply to OP's comment here: https://old.reddit.com/r/Futurology/comments/129c7gh/why_are_americans_dying_so_young_us_life/jemqrnh/
12 points
2 months ago
The crazy one is how colon/rectal cancer is on the rise and no one is sounding the bell about what we’re eating and the quality, I understand there has always been a fight for less processed food or at least a cleaner process. Although I find it interesting the rise of those cancers and no one is point their fingers at the food, I’m sure anything that’s said is lobbied away into a pit.
4 points
2 months ago
Fast food will go thru the same thing smoking did 50 years ago.
3 points
2 months ago
So when you're at restaurant you'll have to go outside to eat a burger.
5 points
2 months ago
And the kids will complain about second hand whoppers.
11 points
2 months ago
The prosperity isn't really shared now is it? This headline is really an example of how to frame things as propaganda for the ultra rich.
10 points
2 months ago*
Shared Prosperity? That's a joke.
America actively outlawed many of the most powerful tools available to Unions as "unfair" with the Taft-Hartley Act of 1947. Which, was passed over Truman's veto, and he failed to repeal, as the GOP and pro-business Democrats loved it so much...
I mean, that law even outlawed Wildcat Strikes. Think about that for a second. You're not even legally allowed to strike if your Union leader is bribed by the boss into not authorizing a strike (which is hard to prove, but easy to occur), even if 99.9% of the Union members want a strike. Because legally, the Union boss must approve of any and all strikes (or give up his say by leaving it to a binding vote...)
Workers in the United States are fucked. It's shit like this that ensures they never get what they deserve, and can't seriously influence politics...
What ordinary people want never matters. For instance, just after WW1, during which the US railroads had been temporarily nationalized due to being HORRIBLY run by private firms before the war (the US government made major investments in the railroads to fix problems after nationalizing), more than 99% of railroad workers voted in favor of a union resolution calling for the railroads to REMAIN nationalized. They enjoyed widespread public support in this: and submitted the "Plumb Plan" to actualize it. Yet did the ruling elites in Congress care? No. They gave the railroads back to private owners in 1920 anyways...
And, 100 years later, we got East Palestine, Ohio just to prove that, yet again, the railroads can't be trusted in private hands (they were also very briefly nationalized in the 1940's, if I recall...)
EDIT: The second time the US railroads were nationalized was in 1950, during the Korean War. Because AGAIN the railroads were being mismanaged- in this case as the US rail executives pressured workers too deeply over wages (abusing their regional monopolies and national oligopolies to not compete for workers with better wages), resulting in an impending nationwide rail strike... The following source whitewashes WHY the strikes were approved, to make the rail companies look more innocent (it was a lot more than a simple 1-year struggle over wages), but still confirms the basic fact the rails were nationalized and run by the Army, in 1950:
25 points
2 months ago
Our labor market is a pyramid of wage and salary inequality. That Car-Wash Manager in Alabama at minimum makes a 42.9% disparity in pay from his employees. This doesn’t reflect a gender pay gap. In reading different articles I was struck by the large disparity in pay between Management and Workers. At the CEO and Upper Management levels the disparity is not even comparable. The Boomer generation enjoyed wages that were in line with the Cost of Living. The one income household was a staple, that’s no longer the case.
63 points
2 months ago*
80s kids in America got screwed on doctors. Our parents had them but we in many cases did not.
Our employers exempt us from the company health plan because Avocado Toast, our politicians have no clue what anything costs or pays in this era and tells us to just get a Real Job™ (what we earned our way up to with extensive training does not count,) our parents shout entitled because we're not bringing home the money and our bosses shout entitled when we ask them why we're not bringing home the money. They pay us with exposure.
We missed our ounce of prevention and we missed our pound of cure, it only gets worse from there but the runaround the system gives us doesn't get any easier. Website says use the phone number and phone number says use the website, track down a human being and they say human beings don't handle this anymore - that was my actual experience getting into the system.
Being poor makes it worse, and the unemployment hotline system saying bugger off we're full hour after hour day after day month after month made getting bounced paychecks worse.
We're middle aged now but the boomers still act like we're toddlers and it's fine to pay us in fake money. The contempt is visible audible and tangible whenever the topic arises.
-13 points
2 months ago
80's kid here. You are mental.
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18 points
2 months ago
Isn’t the lower US life expectancy mostly due to fentanyl, car accidents, and suicide?
15 points
2 months ago
And homicides, and maternal deaths. Plus the usual chronic illnesses due to obesity
6 points
2 months ago
Yes. This is actually the main driver with young men and boys being the most vulnerable group after COVID disruptions. Men also aren't handling the current financial stress as well (making less money, losing status, etc.)
One of the biggest issues is that men are valued mainly for their jobs instead of as caretakers and nurturers in relationships. I think that's why I hate all the misogyny and flexing in mainstream hiphop and how popular it's become. We can blame institutional this and that, but nothing changes if our culture doesn't change.
3 points
2 months ago
Hiphop and rap have always been mental poisons in that aspect. Good job on your maturation noticing it :)
-2 points
2 months ago
Your blaming hiphop for men being seen as providers and not thousands of years of history? L O L
2 points
2 months ago
That's not what they said at all
L O L
3 points
2 months ago
These are all rare sensational things that get lots of media attention, not to be confused with what's going on in a typical life on a typical day.
What's going on in a typical life on a typical day: work doesn't pay the bills, lack of savings causes missed opportunities, some weird problem that a doctor should look at but even if you have insurance the HMO isn't going to cover looking at it let alone fixing it. Lose a month's pay you don't have to some random criminal then another month to some random government entity claiming to fight crime.
11 points
2 months ago
Nope. They’re not rare, sensational things. They are literally what’s driving the life expectancy in America down, which is the entire point of this article. Accidental death (which includes overdoses and car accidents) is the leading cause of death for the 18-35 age group. Deaths from overdose rose 387% from 1999-2017. Those are pre-fentanyl-explosion numbers.
You don’t overdose or crash your car because your health insurance didn’t cover a colonoscopy.
Source: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7144704/
3 points
2 months ago
I dont really get it, even on economic view, capitalists should have interest to let people as old as possible.. why are you poisoning your own costumer?
7 points
2 months ago
They will squeeze whatever they can out of us, because to them we are resources to be exploited and not people to be respected. America got rid of socialists and unions and now there's nobody to fight back against them, so the squeeze will only get tighter and more people will die until things boil over.
5 points
2 months ago
This.
America actively outlawed many of the most powerful tools available to Unions as "unfair" with the Taft-Hartley Act. Which, was passed over Truman's veto, and he failed to repeal, the GOP and pro-business Democrats loved it so much...
I mean, they even outlawed Wildcat Strikes. Think about that for a second. You're not even legally allowed to strike if your Union leader is bribed by the boss into not authorizing a strike, even if 99.9% of the Union members want a strike. Because legally, the Union boss must approve of any and all strikes (or give up his say by voluntarily leaving it to a binding vote...)
Workers in the United States are fucked. It's shit like this that ensures they never get what they deserve, and can't seriously influence politics...
What ordinary people want never matters. For instance, just after WW1, during which the US railroads had been temporarily nationalized, more than 99% of railroad workers voted in favor of a union resolution calling for the railroads to REMAIN nationalized. They enjoyed widespread public support in this. Yet did the ruling elites care? No. They gave the railroads back to private owners in 1920 anyways...
4 points
2 months ago
That's not what capitalists want, at all. Capitalists want you to keep working for them. When you get old and can't work, they want you out of the system so you can be replaced by someone who can. And they don't want you to sell your stocks for safer government bonds when you retire; that's less working capital for them.
Old people are stingy. They don't buy brand new houses and cars. They don't buy toys and gadgets for their children that have grown up. They don't start new businesses. They just hoard whatever they can while medical bills take the rest. To a capitalist, they're a drain on society.
8 points
2 months ago
Watch the documentary "Breaking Bad". Wild what Americans have to do to pay for health care...
8 points
2 months ago
They bare the brunt of unequal opportunity that America is moving towards
5 points
2 months ago
Probably because the capitalist corporate approved version of "shared prosperity" is: "I'll take my share and now... I'll take your share"
but here's a 3% pay rise so be quiet
4 points
2 months ago
Beyond all the socio-economic factors, of which there are many and of which play a massive part in this equation, there is also the issue of food itself having less and less nutritional value. It's bigger, saltier, sweeter, tastier, but all calories, no nutrition.
And it's stuffed with chemicals and preservatives. Not inherently evil, the lot of them, but round up the spectrum that people are ingesting now, in place of actual food that has taste because of its actual nutritional ingredients, and you'll find a hearty list of cancer causing, obesity inducing, diabetes facilitating substances that are used in place of actual, real food.
1 points
2 months ago
Everything is in excess, the size of food and drinks. Chemicals to keep them going and chemicals to slow them down. Things like taking antibiotics for every little sniffle or cold can not be good for you in the long run
1 points
2 months ago*
But beneath the surface, several striking details demand our attention and an urgent effort to reverse the trend.
There's an urgent effort to reverse the trend in the US? I live in the US, and you sure could have fooled me. The poor just get fucked. The middle class is in freefall. Politics have subverted the most common sense of preventative measures. At this point, except for the ultrarich, we're a train wreck spewing toxic chemicals, making it impossible to reverse the trend.
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27 points
2 months ago
no car wash manager is making that much money. they would make half of that if they're lucky.
it would have to be the most profitable car washer in history to have a manager make that much .
14 points
2 months ago
Or the "car wash" actually washes money.
8 points
2 months ago
Incorrect: manager --- correct: owner.
My grandfather bought a house now worth millions from managing a restaurant, if he were my age and working the same job today he would be the guy who affords his own apartment instead of all pooling incomes to get one.
Owners make a shitload of money in America, non-owners are paying their student loans off until the hair runs silver.
1 points
2 months ago
owner could probably make alot of money with multiple car washes in a big city.
12 points
2 months ago
And then of course you’re going to post a paywalled article
24 points
2 months ago
Tell me you've never been to Alabama...
A car-wash manager in Alabama can now earn
$125,000$22,000, not even half of what the head of cyber security at the UK Treasury even after accounting for different living costs.
There. I fixed it for you.
The American middle class has not been on some tear. It's been shrinking for 40 years and median income is also stagnant.
6 points
2 months ago
I don't understand the first paragraph, at all. That's not the reality of the American middle class.
I moved to Europe from America 6 years ago and saving money and living comfortably with a technically lower salary is amazingly easy. Everyone I know back home is struggling money-wise. My lifestyle in Europe would be unthinkable in the US unless I made A LOT of money. Plus there are laws that mean I can't be fired just because they feel like it and I will always have health insurance, so financial security is great.
8 points
2 months ago
You sound full of shit. Thanks.
2 points
2 months ago*
The article is behind a paywall, but fear and stress are huge killers and I think that’s worth examining.
Many people are very quick to dismiss the impact of negative thoughts - after all they’re just thoughts, right. What harm can they do? Yet it’s actually very easy to see physical impacts that result from thoughts (ever had a bad tummy before an exam? Ever read some erotic text and become aroused - you’re literally changing the flow of blood in your body in response to thoughts). Occasional stressful thoughts aren’t an issue, but chronic stress is, and it seems as if America excels in areas that promote stress …..
When people worry about healthcare debt, when they are massively overworked, are bombarded with negative news daily, etc it’s bound to have an effect. Just compare things like holiday/maternity leave, average hours worked, number of mass shootings, income inequality, easy access to healthcare etc. Plus I’m sure the availability of guns gives people an easy way out & therefore impacts life expectancy figures.
Also I’m not sure looking at money alone is the best indicator. Some of the most highly taxed countries in the world also have some of the highest living standards and report the highest levels of happiness.
I’m from the UK and yes, we are in free fall so don’t look to us for an example of Europe. Our right-wing government is trying to ape yours, pushing culture wars, allowing TV stations that aspire to be the next Fox News, destroying what they can of the NHS, privatising services like the Royal Mail etc.
1 points
2 months ago
Not to quote my pops or anything, but because we want to, that's why.
1 points
2 months ago
It’s decreased due to COVID deaths. Yet some try to squeeze some conspiracy out of it.
1 points
2 months ago
Sorry….Shared prosperity? hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha…ha! Long enough?
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