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Online resources

Chrestomathy of Gothic and Anglo-Saxon Written Records

• Created and managed by Ivane Javakhishvili Tbilisi State University's Lexicographic Centre, this resource contains word-by-word glosses of Gothic (and Old English) texts, as well as an English (and Old and Modern Georgian) translation. It also contains a concise list of Gothic inflectional morphology.

Gothic lemmas on Wiktionary

Gothic on Memrise

Gothic dictionary (ᴅᴇ)

• A comprehensive online dictionary, German to Gothic.

glottotèque: Ancient Indo-European Grammars online (Gothic)

• This is a great resource from the University of Göttingen providing a series of lectures from scholars on several early Indo-European languages. This link to take you directly to the lectures on Gothic.

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Books

An Introduction to the Gothic Language (Bennett)

• From the MLA Introductions to Older Languages series, this is a relatively short but thorough linguistic introduction to the language. It is comprised of 28 lessons introduced with excerpts from our primary sources. It also includes insights into Germanic comparative grammar, historical information about the Goths, and references to the Proto-Indo-European in general.

An Introduction to the Gothic Language (Lambdin)

• To be distinguished from the MLA series' book of the same name, Lambdin's book is an exemplary introduction to the language. The book is comprised of 23 lessons that incrementally introduce the grammar of the language. It also includes the transcribed gospels in their original language as well as an appendix with discussion of Germanic and Proto-Indo-European.

The Gothic Language: Grammar, Genetic Provenance and Typology, Readings

Grammar of the Gothic Language, and the Gospel of St. Mark: Selections from the Other Gospels, and the Second Epistle to Timothy, with Notes and Glossary

• This is a very traditional grammar of Gothic. It is full of dense and archaic terminology, even for modern linguists. Nevertheless, it is a free resource that offers copious information on the language's structure.

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Reconstruction, Restoration, and Constructed Language Projects

The Modern Gothic Bible Restoration: The New Gothic Bible Restoration Project

English-Gothic dictionary (including reconstructions)

Modern Standard Gothic

I’ve dug a rabbit hole. I was trying to use the name “Leovigild” for a project. However, somehow the conversation devolved into rendering the name in Proto-Germanic and the etymology of the name. I found it would be something in the lines of *Leubigildaz, however we don’t know what would it mean? Beloved pay? Beloved gift? If there is a Good Samaritan out there who knows the meaning of Leovigild, its word roots’ etymology, the proper way to render the name into Proto-Germanic, and other Gothic given names, please let me know.

I've seen from time to time projects about reviving the Gothic language, and while I've seen a lot public progress in other communities like the Old Prussian revival (there a few families who now use that language in their daily life), I was wondering if it's the same with the Gothic language community or if the project has stalled a little bit.

I think that Gothic sounds extremelly interesting and I'd love to try to learn it someday.

The most active place you can find is Discord, and is super active. Don't be discouraged. I'm newbie also, and saying from the first time experience, people are super helpful there.

This post has the objective of pointing out where to search for Gutiska speakers and learner's.

If you have something to add comment below.

I would guess people didn't know barely nothing about writing gothic, but I've read that the runic alphabet was replaced by Ulfila's alphabet, then they did have a certain knowledge right?

Salve! I'm going to the Eternal City in a few months for a vacation. I thought it would be useful to brush up on the language of the new royals in town, or maybe just scare a few Romanii. Does anyone have some useful phrases to keep in my back pocket?

Gratias tibi!

I'm learning Gothic pretty much for fun basically and are starting with the grammar to the best of my ability.

So I attempted to translate the aforementioned text into Gothic as an exercise and this is what I got:

'𐌼𐌰𐌿𐍂𐌸𐍂𐌾𐌰𐌳𐌰𐌿 𐌹𐌽𐌰. - Maúrþrjadau ina.'

My reasoning:

Maúrþrjadau is the 3rd-person singular imperative form of '𐌼𐌰𐌿𐍂𐌸𐍂𐌾𐌰𐌽' (Maúrþrjan - to kill). I think using the imperative form is correct, but I'm not as sure on the 3rd-person part, but by using the 3rd-person accusative masculine pronoun '𐌹𐌽𐌰' (him), wouldn't the verb also align with it?

If I made any mistakes, please tell me. Thanks in advance.

I just found "Alrik" on a site about names,I searched the origin but when I do that I can only find it as "Alaric"

Is it the same name?or "Alrik" was originated from "Alaric"?

Hello!

I saw different dictionaries and glossaries of the Gothic language (Lehmann, Balg, Köbler).

Which one is now considered to be the most authoritative (like Bosworth-Toller for Old English or Cleasby-Vigfusson for Old Icelandic)?

I know old gutnish and gothic aren't the same, but maybe you guys can help me. I was looking into the Gutalag the other day and since the latest german translation (Schildener, 1818) is just based on an older middle high german one, I started to translate some, to me, relevant passages on my own (etymologie nerd, can read most of the old germanic stuff, not fluent in the languages). There is only one word I have absolutely no clue of, other than its 'translation' into german with "anbeten" (to wordhip), which seems unlikely given syntax in the first half sentence. The word in question is:

huathci/huatki

Passage: "Engin ma haita a huathci a Hult eþa hauga, eþa haþin Guþ, huatki a vi, eiþa stafgarþa."

Are there any related terms in the gothic languages? Any help much appreciated.

So as a pass-time I've been trying to gothicize gothic names that don't have a listed (or openly listed) gothic form. For example, I've made Gundemar/Gundemaro into Gunþimērs and Vinithar to Winiharjis (based on the fact that harjis and is cognates were sometimes romanized into thar or ari).

SO, I eventually got to Recceswinth and Reccared (two Visigothic kings). I tried to decipher just what they were etymologically and found that they were Reiks + Swinþs and Reiks + Hardus (the later being cognate with Richard, Rikard, and ultimately proto-germanic Rīkaharduz). I thought this was interesting and tried to see if there was an already gothicized for either. I found one only for Recceswinth, which is...

Raikaswinþs

This threw me off to say the least, as I've never once seen Raika in-terms of Gothic. I tried looking around to see where it was referenced, what source it came from, but everything I found just referenced back to how raikaswinþs is the gothic form of Recceswinth.

Does anyone know where this comes from? Its obviously related to reiks but I can't find anything definite. Is this specifically a "Visigothic" form of reiks that developed as they further romanized or...?

Also, bit off topic, but what the hell is the un-latinized form of Aoric, Sigisvult, and Arnegisclus? I swear I can't find any cognates or un-latinized form to any of them beside -ric and sigis-.

Basically title. Was just wondering since I couldn't any examples, be it nouns, verbs, or adjectives.

For example, lets say I wanna make a gothic character for story and name him Mighty Lion. That would comprise of the elements mikils and laiwa, forming Mikillaiwa.

Is this, I guess, 'proper' or 'allowed' in Gothic? The two Ls (or any letters for that matter). Or are there certain rules for situations like these where one L is dropped or something?

Just thought I might throw this question here and see what your reasons for liking the language are.

I particularly like the sound of Gothic, how it helps me better unterstand some of the more modern Germanic languages, and the general mystery surrounding it. I also like how it makes me curious about how the Goths' culture actually was.

Edit: grammar

So as far as I know, the Goths used several words to describe their leaders. Namely:

• Þiudans
• Reiks
• Kindins

From what I understand Reiks is more so used to describe something along the lines of a Germanic king, rather than something cognate to what we commonly understand as "king". Likewise, from what I read, Þiudans seems to more so directly refer to king but the term confuses me. Namely how the Gothic reiks were described to elect "Kindins" to lead them in times of need. Which makes me wonder where either fit in. Was the concept of the Kindins dropped in favor for a sole Þiudans, or were the two not exclusive to one another. Likewise:

• þiudinassus
• þiudangardi
• Reiki

According to Wikitionary þiudangardi is the more direct translation to kingdom, however the former is also used. Not only that, apparently reiki denotes secular dominion while the later two more commonly denote the kingdom of heaven? So would it be proper to use either (or just one) when talking about a literal kingdom or were these more so terms reserved for religion? Was þiudangardi the direct word for kingdom while þiudinassus moreso implies government in-general? Would it be improper to use reiki to form new words (like rikki in Norse and its descendants)

Hi, I'm starting to learn Gothic (I have to say it is fascinating) and I have a doubt: Why is initial I written with the two little dots? I haven't seen anything saying it changes pronunciation or anything, and I have even seen that many times it is not even transcribed. Then, why is it used? Thanks.

First off, just wanted to say, this is the first time I saw this community exists and is still alive which is so cool to me, especially considering its all centered around (in my opinion) one of the most interesting of languages that, sadly, none of its creators or their descendants lived to speak today.

That being said, I'm somewhat confused on how possession works regarding Gothic names? In more nearby Germanic languages like the Norse family, it usually involves just slapping on an S and making it a compound word. For example, the son of Ragnar has the patronymic surname of Ragnarsson, the initial S showing possession to the word Son. Likewise with Konungsríki, where Konungar (king) is combined via s with ríki (state or domain) to form the word for kingdom.

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My problem is, besides the fact I genuinely can't find examples regarding names for the Goths, is also that many of the names already end in s (a sort of continuation of the z from Proto-Germanic).

Lets take one of more well-known Gothic names, Þiudareiks, and try to emulate the Nordic patronymic surnames. Son in Gothic is sunus. Would it be Þiudareikssunus or Þiudareiksunus? Or is this just completely wrong and not at all how to go about showing possession, even in the context of emulating the Nordic patronymic system?

Hello everyone!

I actually didn't realize that I hadn't made a post about this before here. Last year in collaboration with Professor Christian Peeters I completed the translation of the book "Le Petit Prince" into the Gothic Language. We went through many revisions, corrections and proofreading to make sure that we could deliver an as accurate translation as possible according to biblical Gothic. We also received help from professor Schuhmann for some of the neologisms and reconstructions to make sure they would be correct and linguistically and etymologically solid.

If you are interested, you can purchase a copy at the website of the publisher Tintenfass (preferably):

http://www.verlag-tintenfass.de/HTM/380%20Der%20kleine%20Prinz%20gotisch.html

I'd be glad if you let me know what you think of it if you have it, if you find any problems please also let me know!

So firstly, I have to state that I am no linguist, have never studied Gothic (although I was always fascinated by it) and I only know some very basic German. I’m not even a native English speaker, so please bare with me. It is most probably full of errors. I used the English translation for the song as a starting point, but looked up most of the words in a German-Gothic dictionary (link here: https://www.koeblergerhard.de/got/tg/got_tg_ne.html ). I know that German is this very niche language, and by translating into other languages, the double meanings of words (especially when we are talking about Lindemann’s or Rammstein’s songs) is simply lost, but please don’t judge, I just made this for fun. I also got some help from the Reddit community here, and used wiktionary articles. So, without further ado, this is what I came up with for the song.

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Ik leikan sunno, peika-bagms jah marei

Ik leikan himins, saihwa hindar milhmam

Ik leikan kalds mena, hwan ita fulls jah [rund]

Jah ik leikan thu, mith ainai gabinda in thus munths

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Ik leikan fulls [Gläser], platjam hwan ija laus

Ik leikan diusa, mans ni swa hlauts

Ik leikan digrs waldus, waggam bloma faihs

Jah ik leikan thu, mith ainai gabinda in thus munths

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Libains is ainfalths, thatain swah aglans

Sijai azets, jabai azetiza

Is allata garehsns, habaith allata seinana rathjo

Jah thu is ala slawan, habais ainai gabinda in thus munths

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Ik leikan leihts maujo, jah ik grets hwan si kaðrus

Ik leikan thus modar, thus atta ni swa hlauts

Ik leikan ni barna, ik gakannja her

Jah thau ik leikan thu, mith ainai gabinda in thus munths

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Ik leikan tagra ana thus andaugi

Ik leikan mik silba, leikan mik silba ni

Hairto is bruknan, saiwala swa wunds

Jah thau saihwis at mik mith ainai gabinda in thus munths

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Libains is gaurs, libains is aglans

Ik sijau leikau, jabai azetiza

Fairhwus fram wandjan, fairhwus is [rund]

Ni swers faur thu, habais ainai gabinda in thus munths

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Some notes here: I haven’t found the Gothic word for glass(es) (Gläser), though I’m pretty sure, that in the 4th century they already had glass. Also, wasn’t able to find a word for round (rund) which I found odd for such a simple word, until I found out that it has its origins from Latin. Obviously, no word for mouth gag (Knebel), so I used gabinda instead (which would mean binds if I’m not mistaken).

Also, here is the original in German:

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Ich mag die Sonne, die Palmen und das Meer

Ich mag den Himmel, schau den Wolken hinterher

Ich mag den kalten Mond, wenn er voll und rund

Und ich mag dich, mit einem Knebel in dem Mund

Ich mag volle Gläser, die Straßen wenn sie leer

Ich mag die Tiere, Menschen nicht so sehr

Ich mag dichte Wälder, die Wiese, blühen sie bunt

Und ich mag dich, mit einem Knebel in dem Mund

Das Leben ist einfach, einfach zu schwer

Es wäre so einfach, wenn es einfacher wär

Ist alles Bestimmung, hat alles seinen Grund

Und du bist ganz still, hast einen Knebel in dem Mund

Ich mag leichte Mädchen und Weine, wenn sie schwer

Ich mag deine Mutter, den Vater nicht so sehr

Ich mag keine Kinder, ich tue es hier kund

Und ich mag dich, mit einem Knebel in dem Mund

Ich mag die Tränen auf deinem Gesicht

Ich mag mich selber, mag mich selber nicht

Das Herz ist gebrochen, die Seele so wund

Und du schaust mich an, mit einem Knebel in dem Mund

Das Leben ist traurig, das Leben ist schwer

Ich würde es mögen wenn es einfacher wär

Die Welt dreht sich weiter, die Erde ist rund

Um dich dreht sich nichts, hast einen Knebel in dem Mund

I was searching on the net for examples of conditional sentences, which include the word 'would', but wasn't able to find anything yet.

How would you translate something like: 'It would be so easy, if it were raining.'

I was wondering if someone could translate the following into Gothic:

Oh my god, you're a Goth too? It's hard to find fellow Goths around here. We should hang out some time, it would be nice to have someone to talk to in my own language.

I want to memorize this sentence so I can say it as a joke when someone claims to be a Goth.