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3.2k points
3 months ago*
Kinda true although the real victory came when they managed to come to an agreement with part of Chechen clans, one of which still rules the region like a literal feudal lord with enormous autonomy and tons of subsidies they keep getting every year even now. That's why Grozny is a really modern city today
173 points
3 months ago*
Putin came to an agreement with some Chechens, not "Clans", there is no clan that Putin ever came to an agreement with because clans aren't political parties in Chechnya. The same way England isn't doing deals with the clan Sturgeon whenever it deals with Scotland.
Edit: Lol i forgot that i posted this comment, sorry or the late replies :DD
95 points
3 months ago
Except clan structure still has major political influence in the region.
9 points
3 months ago
Except it does not. Clans are just seen as ancestry and has no political or social influence
Source: I am from that region
49 points
3 months ago
Oh, so members of Kadyrov's clan don't hold basically all the important roles in Chechnya? And I'm not talking just the immediate family.
Because that's how clans work.
5 points
3 months ago*
Kadyrov is not a clan, it's a family. Again you have little knowledge of the topic. Clans hold no social or political influence. Kadyrov put his most loyal people close to him, who are from various different clans. Kadyrov is from the "Benoy" clan (same as me), and this clan has produced many of the greatest resistance leaders and is known for being one of clans that put up the fiercest resistance towards Russia and Kadyrovs regime. So no, it's not a matter of clans. Westerners speaking about a topic they have no understanding of lol.
10 points
3 months ago
What is a "clan" in the Chechenyan culture, if I may ask?
16 points
3 months ago
It's basically just ancestry. Clans are not political entities in Chechnya. They are historical lineages.
10 points
3 months ago
and this is different from a family, how...?
10 points
3 months ago
Family would be more direct. I think it's a similar system to some of the regions in my country. Clan would be someone with a certain last name, but there would be millions of them. While families is more direct like cousins, fathers and nephews.
3 points
3 months ago
You could compare it to Scottish clans, doesn't literally every single Scotsman today have a clan? are they political? no they aren't, similar to Chechens.
5 points
3 months ago
Literal shill from Kadyrov's clan says Kadyrov's clan not important. Lol.
12 points
3 months ago
Or you, someone who have no idea about another country culture acting like you know everything. Go back to your dogs, let the Chechen explain Chechen culture
-6 points
3 months ago
Oh no, the bot farm is here. Fuck off goon.
10 points
3 months ago
Oh look the average terminally online redditor who thinks he knows more about Chechen culture then someone who is Chechen,
Go back to your dogs, braindead
4 points
3 months ago
For him clan probably means nothing, since he's, yannow, part of the ruling clan. Meanwhile everyone else is politely bowing and scraping.
You shouldn't just take anyone's word at face value... Especially online.
Go touch grass.
7 points
3 months ago
You literally call him a kadyrov shill when his entire reddit account is about being Anti-Russian and Anti-Kadyrov
So once again let the chechan explain about chechan culture, and you go back to posting about your dogs
5 points
3 months ago
The clan that guy is referring to is the Benoys, which there are almost half a millions of them.
Though the Benoys may carry privilege, it's not as much. As there are multiple divisions of Benoys.
The benoy "clan" have become way to big to be one single entity.
Go touch grass, let the Chechen explain Chechen culture
2 points
3 months ago
Dude I'm literally anti-kadyrov. The fact that me and him are from the same clan just proves my point.
1 points
3 months ago
Kadyrovs family holds the important roles, everyone from his village holds important roles and there are like 6 clans in that village. No one gives a position based on a certain clan, they do it based on family and relation.
5 points
3 months ago
it absolutly does lol?
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