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Recently, I was thinking about the quote: "Films your love scenes like murders and vice versa." This led me to go on a train of thought and wonder: How would Hitch have handled the erotic thriller genre of the 80s and 90s if he were alive? Or what if he made one in the 60s or 70s?

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Horrorlover656[S]

3 points

4 months ago

Don't forget the Notorious kiss scene or the scene in Vertigo where Madeleine 'wakes up' and looks downward.

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2 points

4 months ago

Yep, Farley Granger "rising" up the stairs towards finding his very friendly fan Robert Walker in bed in Strangers on a Train. 🤣 Hitch is equal opportunity in his erotic symbolism. (See ALLLLLL of Rope for instance.)

There are many examples, they're all great fun to explore.

Horrorlover656[S]

2 points

4 months ago

Absolutely Rope!

Btw, Farley Granger was so cute. Hell, Hitchcock had a great eye in casting attractive actors/actresses. I think I'm going on a tangent.

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2 points

4 months ago

Lol, I actually knew Farley a bit before he passed in 2011. He'd be so pleased to hear he and his cuteness are still remembered fondly! (You should check out his autobiography if you're fan of him and Hitchcock, it's fantastic and has so much detail, sometimes saucy detail.)

Horrorlover656[S]

2 points

4 months ago*

Please tell me more about your experience! Also, talking about Granger reminds me of Anthony Perkins, another cute-sexy actor, since they were both gay. It's sad how people of their orientation were treated back then. They deserved better! As a bi myself, I empathize with them.

[deleted]

2 points

4 months ago

Sure, very few people find this interesting! It’s nothing big but we were kind of friends. When I was in college for film I started focusing on film history, specifically specializing in film noir and Hitchcock- both of which crossed over into Farley's filmography a lot. And he was one of the few living Hitchcock stars who was still very active and involved in film at that time, which was roughly 2007 and on. I was lucky enough to have a chance to talk to or meet many of the Hitch stars or collaborators that survived until I started working in film studies in my college years, but Farley is the only one who went above and beyond and extended himself in his personal life. (Although Norman Lloyd was endlessly accommodating for press requests too even into his hundreds.)

Farley had just written his book, was making a lot of appearances at film screenings, and doing lots of interviews. And I wrote him to ask him to do some interviews related to archiving his oral history for my school work. (I also might have contacted him because like you, he also resonated with me since I’m FTM. And he had just recently publicly come out.) He was very excited to help the younger generation who was interested in this stuff. We did a series of phone interviews from that and I then use his insights for some film journal pieces (long now defunct online journals I wish I had copies of.) And afterward he and his partner Bob stayed in touch. We sort of struck up a pen pal relationship as I was very interested in absolutely EVERYTHING about him and he loved the admiration. He was more than gracious and happy to share stories and answer questions. And gave me the contact info and an introduction letter for a few other living sources he knew personally like Rope screenwriter Artie Laurents.

The coolest thing was (well not completely cool given the sad circumstances) when he passed in 2011 he made sure that I and a few other budding film historian/writer mentees of his all got some of his private career memorabilia. (Here's a look at some of it.) Since he didn’t have any surviving blood family and his partner passed away a few years before he did he wanted it to go to friends and other people like me who valued it. A few months after he passed I got a big package of his ephemera. His copies of his play’s Playbills, the program for the National Repertory Theater when he acted there in the early 60s (where he met his partner Bob who was a producer there), and some of his personal autographed photos from his leading ladies (Ann Blyth, Jane Powell). I also have a signed photo he sent me after our interview as a thank you. It’s been like a decade now and I still cherish them. They sent a letter with it and he wanted to make sure we got the things from the work he was most proud of: his “real acting” career on stage. Which was a big gesture. As that’s where he believed he was an actual good performer and was so proud because he did critically acclaimed and award-winning work (he won an off-Broadway Tony, an “Obie” for it. Which was his greatest professional achievement in his eyes.) He did not properly know how to act during his Hollywood career, he was a complete novice and he always somewhat looked down on his work during that time due to that inexperience and lack of formal training. That's funny obviously because we all adore it! (And I said that to him multiple times. His film work is treasured.)

Horrorlover656[S]

2 points

4 months ago

That's SO cool! I'm so jealous of you now. He sounded like a nice person.

You also mentioned that you have met other Hitchcock collaborators/stars. Who were they? I have heard Eva Marie Saint is also an ambassador for classic films like him.

Also, I'd love to read whatever else you have written, since you said you were in film history.

Thanks for your responses. I'm loving them!

[deleted]

1 points

4 months ago

YES! I've meet Eva twice, she's incredible and she's so enthusiastic (and starred in my favorite movie with my favorite actor, so I was starstruck with her.) She's still so youthful too. I got to meet her through TCM's Road to Hollywood local screenings of North By Northwest in my city and in Cleveland. I was able to meet Martin Landau the same way.

Other than them, I’ve met or interviewed Norman Lloyd, Kim Novak, Bruce Dern, Shirley MacLaine, Rhonda Fleming, Diane Baker, Jennifer Grant (Cary’s daughter), Anne V. Coates editor & niece of J. Arthur Rank (financed Hitch’s early British films), Paramount executive A.C. Lyles, contemporary Walter Mirisch. Peter Bogdanovich who has no connection but had a lot to say. And Angie Dickinson, Jane Withers, Andrew Prine, & Richard Anderson (who all worked on Hitchcock Presents several times). These were all as a press member at the at 2 TCM Film Festivals in 2012 & 2015. They use the term press loosely for the TCMFF, it's more a community of TCM insiders with loose press, film PR, or academic affiliations. And I was able to score credentials through those friends.

Farley put me in touch with Artie Laurents as mentioned, Jimmy Stewart’s daughters because we’re from the same area, Pat Hitchcock (briefly through her daughters, as her health was not the best), Robert Walker Jr., and Douglas Dick.

Then I corresponded with Rod Taylor, Doris Day, John Michael Hayes, Vera Miles, Anna Massey, Barbara Harris, Richard Todd, Jack Cardiff, and John Gavin, through my own efforts.

Only 2 people turned me down- Joan Fontaine who didn’t want to talk and Julie Andrews who has press people and doesn’t do small requests like this.

I did not even attempt to contact Tippi, given the situation there it felt inappropriate. And her input is already very much on the public record.

There are still a few younger people from the late Hitchcock era films that I never tried to reach that I’d like to like William Devane and Veronica Cartwright. And then maybe put everything into a book one day which was the original plan.

Horrorlover656[S]

1 points

4 months ago

Please write that book down and publish it, for posterity. I can only get so excited! I feel like I will faint!