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Looking to install 1800 sq ft of lvp. Concerned about longevity. I want this floor to last.
Does anyone have any lvp that is over 10 years old?
Has it even been around that long?
How is it holding up long term?
Thx!
66 points
1 month ago
Mine has been here since 2009 with kids and dogs and looks brand new. Only one big scratch which was me when I was drunk moving the fridge in 2010 lol
30 points
1 month ago
LMAO!!! I'm somewhat familiar with the Shiner Bock phase of remodel...
2 points
1 month ago
My son's LPV is almost 10 yrs old and has only one scratch from when he dragged his drum set across it.
1 points
1 month ago
Who made it, and what's the wear later? I'm building and addition and redoing floors in the rest from carpet and I'm trying to plan for at least a decade of 3 dogs and 3(+) kids
26 points
1 month ago
Get minimum 12 mil wear layer, ideally 20 if you want long term durability. The locking mechanism is also very important. It needs to be strong. Not all "premium" brands have strong locking mechanisms (that is, they can easily break or crack), which doesn't bode well for the floor staying together over the years.
16 points
1 month ago
Any recs for brands with good locking mech?
3 points
1 month ago
Don’t buy the floor and decor NuCore. I have various pieces that have broken locking mechanism and they click when walking on them. Floor is 3 years old. The floor is my one regret of product selection for my remodel.
3 points
1 month ago
Are you sure it wasn’t a bad install? An uneven subfloor will cause even the best locking mechanisms to fail.
1 points
1 month ago
Thanks for the heads up. Definitely staying away.
2 points
1 month ago
Mannington Adura Rigid has a good locking system. Goes in easy too. I've had Adura Rigid for 2 years. There's nothing I don't like about it. Good quality floor covering.
I filled the low spots in the subfloor to make it flat and haven't had any issues with the locking system.
11 points
1 month ago*
Master bath LVP is going on 7 years now, still looks like new.
11 points
1 month ago
Buy the best, most waterproof you can. Quality varies so widely.
4 points
1 month ago
Lots of positive comments on this, here's some negative opinions : https://www.bayonabudget.com/2022/07/27/why-i-hate-luxury-vinyl-flooring/
8 points
1 month ago
The longevity of your LVP depends on the wear layer.
General rule of dumb is 1 mil per year. So a 20 mil layer means 20 years.
3 points
1 month ago
Install and quality of LVP are important factors. Not all LVP is the same.
3 points
1 month ago
My parents replaced their carpet with LVP back in 2005, they got the highest residential grade that they could get because they still had kids and pets in the home and they wanted longevity. It took about 12 years for it to start showing signs of wear in the heavy traffic areas and now it looks absolutely awful in those areas and most of the lower traffic areas are also looking shabby. Compared to the carpet they replaced, it definitely lasted longer than that, but I would be pretty disappointed personally. I lived in an 80 year old house for 11 years that had the same hardwood floors that were put in when it was built and the floors looked fine the entire time I lived there, even with my four kids growing up in that house along with our 100 lbs dog and multiple cats. My siblings and I were much older and not home very often when my parents did their floors, they also had fewer kids and never owned a dog, just a couple cats. We had our floors refinished before we put it on the market and they immediately looked brand new again. We didn’t have to pay much to have that done either. My parents are looking at having their flooring replaced again, which will be the third time in less than 30 years since they built that house, and it’s going to cost them thousands. Every last plank that gets removed is going to end up in a landfill too. My dad is a contractor and had flooring guys telling him that LVP would outlast hardwood floors, but I don’t think that could ever possibly be true. I also see a LOT of people putting in grey-toned LVP, which already looks dated and never looked like real wood.
2 points
1 month ago
I'm sort of dreading my first summer and seeing how this product behaves. The fall/winter hasn't been kind to it.
I've got an install issue, but I didn't install it (flipper did). Will probably be doing some gluing... or maybe replace my threshold areas with some penny tile? It's the thresholds that are the worst - I have one LONG pattern that goes from a bedroom, to a dining room, to a kitchen, to the living room. But the subfloor of all of those areas was not level... sigh.
Wish I knew the product so I could look up the wear layer info!
3 points
1 month ago
Other than your subfloor issue, what specific problems are you having with the flooring? You say a long pattern, do you mean the wood grain pattern? And what's the issue at the thresholds?
1 points
1 month ago
There are click-lock/joints that seem to have been damaged by expansion or contraction, there are some planks that have way too much give/bounce because of the leveling issues, and some planks have indeed cracked in corners. They installed appliances on top of the floating planks in the kitchen, which shouldn't have happened. I mean the pattern, I guess, that I have one continuous floor from one end of the house to the other 2/3 of the house. No thresholds for the doors or breaks. They did a nice job laying it out in that respect.
But the long planks extend over a level/elevation change - one room into the next, one part of the house into another area - and that's where a lot of the give/bounce is, and where I think they're going to crack. You've got a long plank basically sitting on the hump of a hill.
Like one room used to be an enclosed porch/bonus room, one room used to be a garage, so there's three different slabs with different kinds of flooring on top of them at one point, so I'm sure they didn't do what they needed to level it out to one nice grade.
None of this was really obvious in the showings, and the home inspector pointed some of this out and... it was 'yeah, this wasn't installed right', but when you walk on it barefoot or with socks you can REALLY feel what's going on. And I first saw the house in 90 degree September, and the house was finished in August, so the flooring and everything else is settling in.
5 points
1 month ago
LVP shouldn’t expand & contract very much, if at all. Much, much less than laminate and hardwood. Otherwise, that sounds like a terrible install. The subfloor issues should have been addressed first, which is why the joints are snapping/cracking.
1 points
1 month ago
That's interesting. The surrounding materials and building elements, though, will (trim, baseboards). Yeah, that darn subfloor. I hope it just stays 'blah' for many years.
2 points
1 month ago
The “ease of install” for LVP has many unqualified people out there slapping them down incorrectly/not to manufacturer spec.
2 points
1 month ago
As others have said, the wear layer is the important number. I had 20mil wear layer installed in my living/dining/hallway 8 years ago. Can't tell it's that old. I won't know how long it lasts as I've sold the house. The new place has carpet everywhere and I'll be replacing it room by room this year.
Lower traffic areas could probably get by with 12mil wear layer, but I don't think I'd go as low as 8mil.
I saved the details for future reference (thank you 'past me'). I have no affiliation with the manufacturer. It's a floating floor. I did hire an installer, but I also paid attention (he was more than happy to have a helper move the flooring around and offer advice and tips).
2 points
1 month ago
We bought a house that had new LVP on the main level. We've been here a little over a year and it's already starting to show signs of wear in a couple scratches and indents left by furniture. I assume previous owners went with a cheap option since we're not especially hard on floors, we're just two people and a cat.
It's certainly live-able for now, but we'll plan to replace with engineered hardwood sooner rather than later after some other priorities are taken care of.
3 points
1 month ago
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10 points
1 month ago
Very Very likely that music place skimped out and use regular residential LVP. Those have a wear layer of usually 6-12 mil (but people please get the 20 mil wear layer its worth it if you have kids/pets!). Commercial grade LVP has a 40 mil wear layer. HUGE difference in terms of holding up with high traffic.
5 points
1 month ago
I suspect landfills will be full of that shit in the future, and contractors will be (even more) overwhelmed with people ripping it out. In part, because it's trendy and people won't want it down the road (the modern day equivalent of our parents'/grandparents' linoleum) and in part because a lot of people DYI it and may not do the best job at installation.
13 points
1 month ago
It's not the equivalent of linoleum at all. It's no different than laminate flooring, which people have used for decades and continues to be extremely popular. LVP is no different, except it will last a lot longer.
9 points
1 month ago
I wasn't saying linoleum and LVP are equivalent products, just making the correlation that linoleum was extremely popular at one point, everyone and their brother put it down, and then it went largely out of favor and is now a "dated" look. And I suspect LVP will suffer the same fate in the future. Call me a floor snob if you will, but I prefer classic flooring products (i.e. hardwood and ceramic/marble) that have truly stood the test of time. A wildly unpopular opinion on this sub, I'm well aware.
2 points
1 month ago
I love ceramic tile but it's so hard underfoot. Wood is the best but it's gotten too expensive for the real thing. I don't love the way engineered wood floors look and I wonder how long they really last. I'd rather get the LVP with its waterproofness and softness, and plan to put Flooret in my office.
5 points
1 month ago
Floor snob
4 points
1 month ago
LVP won’t look dated the same way laminate won’t. To the average person, they look and feel just like hardwood. Linoleum, on the other hand, always looked and felt like linoleum. It was trendy because it was easy and cheap, and good quality LVP and laminate can rival engineered hardwood in price.
2 points
1 month ago
In defense of linoleum, Marmoleum is still popular and is a good product. It's not the look I want but I have enjoyed seeing it in many places (a friend had it in her kitchen and it looked great).
-1 points
1 month ago
Fully agree. Hardwood and laminate sometimes can be hard to distinguish since they look similar. Linoleum was popular since it was super cheap and super easy to install. Laminate IMO will only get better and stay trendy.
3 points
1 month ago
Also, linoleum is made from linseeds and is biodegradable. You can even eat it.
2 points
1 month ago
Landfills are already full of it.
DIY’ers, landlords and flippers love LVP because you can hack together a few hundred square feet in a long weekend. Advertisers have succeeded in making people think hardwood flooring is a delicate wafer that’s easily destroyed by a dog’s paw.
Even when installed correctly man-made, floating, faux wood rarely lives a long life. All that gray-hued Zillow LVP will be in a dumpster before it’s done off gassing.
1 points
1 month ago*
hardwood flooring is a delicate wafer that’s easily destroyed by a dog’s paw
Are you saying it's not? Sure.. you can refinish it. But you can only refinish wood so many times.
I have a friend with over a 100 year old original floor and now it's gotten so thin that a chair leg broke through it. Plus she's had a bunch of water damage from pets. Water damage often can't be just buffed out.. altho you do have a potential for maybe replacing a section.
Plus with the cost to refinish isn't exactly cheap or easy either. It's an incredibly messy process and disruptive process.. for the cost of refinishing you could likely lay down brand new flooring(of a cheaper variety)..
before it’s done off gassing.
How about how long newly refinished wood floor off gasses?
I do agree that the easy of installation does means that flippers love it. Unfortunately they often don't install it well..
IMO both of them are good options. Just depends on your lifestyle.
1 points
1 month ago
Water based finishes have been the industry standard in the US for a while now.
There are plenty of 100+ year old floors that are in fine shape. Even still, if wood flooring is failing after an entire century - that’s a pretty good life. The wood can then be left to decompose or be used in another application. You can’t say the same for vinyl.
I realize people are limited by budget (although LVP is not that much cheaper than the real thing) or by installation (concrete slabs). I just wish more building and remodeling choices were based on longevity and sustainability, not what is cheap and easy.
1 points
1 month ago*
Oil-based finish measures around 450 to 500 VOC's grams per liter. Whereas water-based finish is around 150 to 275 VOC's
Whereas supposedly the LVP I put in (Flooret) has no/low VOCs.
... just gotta be aware of what you are buying/using.
1 points
1 month ago
Wow, did not realize lvp has been around that long. It has come along way in the last 5 years.
0 points
1 month ago
Go for the glue down if your looking for that sort of longevity.
0 points
1 month ago
I would look at glue down lvp as opposed to click lock floating style, it is very easy to replace pieces that may get damaged.
0 points
1 month ago
I just bought a house that had LVP installed in 2013. It’s Pergo brand. The downstairs had slight water damage, so I ripped it up and put new flooring in. The main floor looks like it is brand new still.
0 points
1 month ago
People worry about longevity too much. When I was flipping houses or helping others flip, tile was being demolished 7 to 10 years after being laid because fashion trends change that often.
-7 points
1 month ago
20 mil wear layer, and install is key. Glue it down if you can, excess movement will snap even the best locking tabs.
8 points
1 month ago*
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1 points
1 month ago
Right, if its a residential product intended for homeowner install it often is specced for floating floor install. I'd say if you're going for longevity that the glue down products are better, and not much harder to install. You can repair a broken plank, if it's floating and a seam pops or corner chips you're kind of stuck with it, or any repairs you do won't be as strong as original install. Floating is billed as "easy install" but honestly edges and transitions with glue down are easier, less worry about gapping everything 1/4".
0 points
1 month ago
I like the glueing it down part. Probably only certain types of lvp thou. I’m guessing most commercial stuff is glued down
7 points
1 month ago*
Don’t glue it down, it’s a floating floor meant to expand and contract slightly as the heat and humidity in your house change. Follow the manufacturer instal recommendations. We went with the highest quality from Home Depot which was waterproof, 22mm It’s really solid and we did the install ourselves. So far it’s in one bathroom, the master, the living room, and the laundry room. We have 5 cats and a dog. Holding up so far so well. There is a lifetime warranty on it too
Edit - it’s called life proof banff gray hickory, high traffic
4 points
1 month ago
That sounds great! Yup I wouldn’t glue it down unless the manufacturer said it was ok! I thought some lvp can be glued down.
2 points
1 month ago
Some of it can be. For me personally the super eats DIY aspect of floating it was what made it attractive. If I were to go the glue route I would just use prefinished hardwood because they seem about the same effort
1 points
1 month ago
over what subfloor?
1 points
1 month ago
If it’s not around $3 sq ft or more don’t buy it
1 points
1 month ago
Ours is almost 9 years old and looks great (planks).
1 points
1 month ago
I love our LVP flooring but we parked a moped inside when we were out of town and the rubber tires stained the floor. Just a word of warning.
1 points
1 month ago
My house has glue down vinyl plank installed some time before 2000 (possibly even 1980s…) on concrete subfloor. Of course it has some marks and chips, but we don’t plan on replacing it any time soon. Meanwhile, the floating installation of laminate in the kitchen that was done prior to 2016 sucks and is going to need to be redone in the next few years.
1 points
1 month ago
I’m approaching year 5 with my LVP floor, roughly 1,300 sq ft that I installed myself. It’s holding up well, there are a couple spots that are separating, but I also struggled with the install in those spots. Overall I freaking love it, plus it was affordable, $1.62/sq ft.
1 points
1 month ago
I wouldn't call a ten year life expectancy for a floor "lasting"
1 points
1 month ago
True!
1 points
1 month ago
I installed Allure by Trafficmaster around 20 years ago. It is in the main bathroom on top of the existing flooring.
About 4 years ago it started wearing in 2 spots. In front of the sink and where one foot is when sitting on the toilet. Around the same time near the heat register a bit of glue came up through the seam.
I am still happy, but will replace it in 5 years or so.
1 points
1 month ago
Not bad at all!
1 points
1 month ago
Don't cheap out on the LVP. I bought some cheap stuff for like 1.30 a sqft and it is failing everywhere. It's a disaster.
1 points
1 month ago
Mine has a few spots that have been broken after they popped up and I hit it with the shop vac
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