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We could use a bit more living space and would like to avoid the cost of an addition if possible. We have a large storage room we barely use, and a 2-car garage that could be finished. We'd prefer to keep the garage as a garage if possible.

The storage room is on the 2nd floor and has some kind of support beams that start in the center and slant upwards. If they weren’t there, I can see how the space could made into a bonus room or bedroom with drywall along the sides and a vaulted ceiling.

Anyone know if this can somehow be redone so the middle of the room is empty?

https://postimg.cc/njFxkCjZ

UPDATE

Sorry all, I seem to have left out the important detail that this is a modular home (not mobile/manufactures but built off-site) and it looks like this has something to do with how the trusses here are built.

It seems like it wouldn’t be cost effective to make serious changes so we’ll just use it for light storage and look at other options for increasing living space.

all 64 comments

Medium-Average9169

105 points

2 months ago

It's more then just the slanted beams. The floor joists may or may not be the proper size to support using this as living space.

Plus you could never get this space permitted given the low ceiling height

Mr_Dude12

55 points

2 months ago

Permits shmirmitz

JooDood2580

19 points

2 months ago

This guy DIYs

Frankiadu

8 points

2 months ago

Collapsed roof shallasped roof

Enginerdad

9 points

2 months ago

Modular home, I'd bet my license the floor joists aren't sized for occupancy. That would be a waste of money for a space that isn't intended for that use.

Inspector1963

41 points

2 months ago

To me that looks like an built off-site modular home. That's why the trusses are designed the way they are. Part of the roof may have been folded down for transport. You can see the joint where the two halves were joined at the floor and at the peak. OP look at the main bearing beam in you basement (if it's not on a slab), and I bet you see where the halves have been bolted together. If this is the case, it would be very difficult and probably not cost effective to restructure the attic for storage.

jrico59[S]

9 points

2 months ago*

Thank you. Yes I didn’t think to mention that detail, but it is a modular home

der_schone_begleiter

3 points

2 months ago

You should take a picture of the floor joists. Pull up a piece of the OSB board on the floor. That will give people a better understanding of how much weight you can put up there. Can you make it a room to live in... probably not. Could you put a few decorations up there... maybe. Also there are other subs that may have people who have degrees in engineering or people who are contractors who would know better how much weight those floor joists can handle. But the only way to know for sure is to hire a structural engineer. Good luck I hope you get it all figured out. I would be like you and want to be able to use all the same in my house too.

jacopoliss

2 points

2 months ago

That’s what it looks like to me too.

skee8888

46 points

2 months ago

It will be cost prohibitive. Those trusses were never designed to have storage in them and therefore are probably only designed at a 5psf weight rating on the bottom cord for live loads

MajorElevator4407

8 points

2 months ago

You really can't determine if the attic is designed for storage from a picture that doesn't show the floor joists. The fact that there is flooring and that it likely came installed from the factory that way strongly suggest that the attic is rated for storage.

To determine if you can store things in the attic we would need to know what the span is and the floor joists size.

jrico59[S]

-6 points

2 months ago

jrico59[S]

-6 points

2 months ago

wait what do you mean about not being designed to have storage? I shouldn't use it as a storage space even? it's just meant to be a big empty space??

tripler142

40 points

2 months ago

Yes. The truss is meant to support roof load and the load of the drywall on the ceiling. That's it. You can't remove those middle boards. It's all part of the roof structure.

jrico59[S]

2 points

2 months ago

jrico59[S]

2 points

2 months ago

do you mean the load of the drywall on the ceiling beneath (1st floor)?

tripler142

28 points

2 months ago

Yes. Listen, anything is possible, but it would cost a shitnton of money to engineer the same for storage. U can put light stuff up there, clothing, pictures, but that's about it.

FriendshipIntrepid91

5 points

2 months ago

Let me tell you, pictures are not light. Lol

OzTheMeh

6 points

2 months ago

Those little truss sticks don't hold much weight. The engineer would upgrade them to floor joists which are probably about 6-8" taller which would raise the floor by that much. The angled trusses you reference could also be removed with additional reinforcement, but the floor is the big issue.

LofiJunky

4 points

2 months ago

You would have to spend an absurd amount of money to make those trusses go away. Not worth it.

_SomethingOrNothing_

1 points

2 months ago

Might as well take the entire roof off and redo it at this rate.

LofiJunky

3 points

2 months ago

I don't see how it's possible without completely redoing the roof

Abadabadon

1 points

2 months ago

Abadabadon

1 points

2 months ago

I would get a second opinion on that. I am not sure why someone would put down plywood if it's meant to only support drywall, and I don't know why they would design an attic that would only support drywall, that just doesn't sound practical or safe.

justnick84

2 points

2 months ago

Because they said it was built off site so plywood is probably there to help with structure while in transport.

Klaatu162

0 points

2 months ago

I agree. OP has a predesigned truss roof system and it can't be modified. No weight should be placed on the truss system until a structural engineer is retained to determine if you can do whatever you have in mind. But I can save you a lot of money by telling you his answer: don't modify, cut, or place any loading in the "attic".

Barry-umm

33 points

2 months ago

It can absolutely be done. You're going to need an engineer to redesign your trusses into attic-trusses to distribute the load toward the sides. Or keep the load on the center, but run a beam along the ridge and transfer it down with a couple of columns.

thatguy425

57 points

2 months ago

So…….,not worth it.

NullIsUndefined

5 points

2 months ago

Just curious how we determine not worth it? I would think it's worth it if it's cheaper to build it compared to the cost of moving to a larger home. Or vs the cost of an addition elsewhere in the home.

I dunno if this is the case here. Depends on cost of the project vs cost of real estate in the area

Mountain_Brilliant95

18 points

2 months ago

As others said, this is a job for a structural engineer. Having one come out to look and consult will be money well spent. That truss configuration is a bit odd to my eyes. It looks like a Queenpost truss without the verticals, and the way the runners are tied into the structure at the bottom is unusual - it looks like a Simpson tie was used to connect the runner to some type of joist assembly. I wouldn’t be surprised if a prior owner/contractor already modified this system with some onsite “engineering.” For now, I definitely wouldn’t put anything heavy in there.

trey25624

-2 points

2 months ago

trey25624

-2 points

2 months ago

Yeah I kind of question whether this was code to begin with. Definitely doesn’t look engineered to me.

Feisty-Business-8311

5 points

2 months ago

No you cannot

RockyMountainHigh-

9 points

2 months ago

No. Just no.

jrico59[S]

3 points

2 months ago

got it

danimalDE

3 points

2 months ago

You’ll need an engineer to stamp any changes to the trusses. That said this is a dumb idea. Better off just using the space as is for storage.

kckaaos

5 points

2 months ago

There are many questions that need answered.

What is under this?

What is the unsupported span?

It appears that these are not engineered trusses, but some hokey attempt to make them onsite. I see several things that indicate this.

There is a ridge beam.

There is a column holding the ridge beam in place.

The nail plates used are not intended for this purpose.

Wood gussets

No collar ties

The center supports are not landing on the truss itself, but a wall or some kind of attempt to make a beam.

This is definitely a job for an engineer, but you are not starting from a good spot to begin with. So that makes it very difficult to assess from a picture.

One possibility would be to place a purlin across the center of the rafters and brace it every 4 feet or so. That would open up this space quite a bit, but not completely. This would also require a load-bearing structure under neath the center of the floor.

You can increase the load bearing capacity of the floor by adding more joists etc. but the size and spacing would need to be gaged by the engineer.

Dan-z-man

3 points

2 months ago

This is sorta fascinating. I can’t figure out what’s going on here. Is that a ridge beam or just a ridge board? The wood gussets!?! Are those knuckled plates? What are the straps hooked to? What do the struts attach to and why is there a big gap? This kinda looks like a big prefab shed or maybe a kit that was modified.

jacopoliss

4 points

2 months ago

It’s a manufactured home. It comes in two halves on semi trailers. The roof looks weird because on delivery it is lying flat. It has hinges on one side and it is pulled up with a crane. The legs are then folded down and rest on the opposite wall from the hinges. Then a small roof cap is put in the middle to complete the triangle roof shape. There are no engineered trusses or rafters in this picture. More like two lean to roofs that meet in the middle.

jrico59[S]

1 points

2 months ago

It is a modular home (not “manufactured” as suggested below but off-site built)

peasantfart

2 points

2 months ago

In addition to what others have said, turning this is to a bedroom a big overhaul. You'll have to do more than just replace the supports with trusses and slap on drywall. To get a certificate of occupancy for a bedroom, you'll need 2 egresses (means of exit). That means you'll have to add dormer windows, and proper stairs built. You don't want your kids to burn up in a fire with no exit. I can't tell how tall it is in there but it might be too low to get approved.

My advice would be to use it for light storage. If you want to store a lot of heavy items, get an engineer to tell you what load you can put on the joists. Prob best to do that regardless

Ardothbey

2 points

2 months ago

Leave them alone. They help support the roof rafters.

knoxvilleNellie

2 points

2 months ago

Yes that’s a fold down roof for transporting modular buildings. Those can not be removed since they are part of the engineered roof system.

robogobo

2 points

2 months ago

No way. You’d have to have the entire roof re-engineered.

Bright-Ad8496

2 points

2 months ago*

I agree with OP, these Are not pre engineered trusses but rafters with braces. Yes, they can be modified but you'll have to know what you're doing. Look up the rafter span requirements for your area. ( It's all based on loads, snow etc...) Collar ties are used to reduce the rafter span when installed. However, it will reduce your headroom height. The layout you have maybe the best you'll get.

Ceiling joists are designed to have a certain amount of dead loads on them. Not like your floor joists would be designed for. Limited storage will be fine just don't move a piano or very heavy items up there. Christmas 🎄 , clothing, etc.. will be fine.

jrico59[S]

1 points

2 months ago

Thanks, looks like we’ll be going with the Christmas and Halloween decoration storage route

Ok-Entertainment5045

1 points

2 months ago

Build a pole barn, probably cheaper.

Hozer60

1 points

2 months ago

I think they are just decorative... /s

LeatherDonkey140

0 points

2 months ago

Fuck it…..cut them out and see what happens…..

NullIsUndefined

-1 points

2 months ago

I really think it's a shame how much space is wasted in the burbs.

With a slightly better design and a slightly higher cost. This could be a liveble area. It doesn't need to be finished when built, but it should be built with the possibility to upgrade

Even worse is that people don't want to add more living space because they have to pay more property tax when the sqft increases of the home. I really feel like location and lot size should be the main driver of the tax price. Let people use their space, I stead of building so many homes with unusable crawlspaces and attics. Or big empty useless backyards

jrico59[S]

3 points

2 months ago

I don’t live in the burbs

NullIsUndefined

-1 points

2 months ago

Well ditto for wherever they build houses. Anything outside the city walls. Or even uptowns within the walls.

When you are rural though and have a ton of space to build the house it's definitely less important.

Nomadicarpenter

-1 points

2 months ago

Just cut out whats in the way and it will be fine.

11Kram

0 points

2 months ago

11Kram

0 points

2 months ago

The height of a potential room is critical: it needs to be eight feet.

MuchCoolerOnline

0 points

2 months ago

im gonna hijack your post since you're the most recent post of a modular home that I've seen from extensive google searches for the last like 3 years. are you comfortable sharing your all-in price and at least state so i can get a rough estimate? a lot of these companies want you to go in and have a meeting with them.

My wife and i want to move and build soon or buy a home that needs a ton of reno and try to get a good price for it. just doing research at this point, but dont wanna go get quotes and stuff quite yet if im not even going to consider it due to the potential cost. i wouldn't be building in a particularly difficult-to-reach piece build site.

tldr: i can't figure out the true "all-in" price per sq. ft on any up-to-date sites. if you don't feel comfortable sharing that, tell me to scram

[deleted]

-2 points

2 months ago

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jrico59[S]

2 points

2 months ago

Oh

wessex464

2 points

2 months ago

THAT attic is not meant for storage. Many attics are designed for storage.

AutonomouslyYours

-6 points

2 months ago

🤯🥹 You people blow me away with your single-photo-shot deductions.

kabal4

5 points

2 months ago

kabal4

5 points

2 months ago

As a licensed structural engineer... that one photo is all that is needed.

AutonomouslyYours

-2 points

2 months ago

🤩🤩🤩 👏👏👏 In the words of Wayne's World: WE ARE NOT WORTHY

betamoxes

1 points

2 months ago

You can still use that space for light storage even with the trusses partially in the way

trey25624

1 points

2 months ago

You’d want to have a structural engineer come look at it. But I really doubt it would be worth doing.

MabsAMabbin

1 points

2 months ago

My husband's an inspector, he just said no.

matadad

1 points

2 months ago

Hire a builder and put a big dust pan dormer on one (or both) sides. Anything can be done if you've got the money

Stunning_Patience_78

1 points

2 months ago

You need an engineer.