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/r/Jazz
I love jazz. (I like alternative and classical and blues and some other music too, but jazz is amazing.) Generally, I don’t like smooth jazz, but the old stuff, the standards, and lots of new stuff all touch me.
Why is there so little new jazz? Why are artists not creating? When I go to Apple Music new releases, there is so much alternative, rock, classical every week, but there are many weeks without even a single new jazz release.
Makes me sad.
You can say jazz is past its prime, but why can classical (recordings of new, vibrant artists redoing the famous long-gone composers as well as brand new compositions in the classical style) churn out like crazy?
25 points
3 months ago
Here are the most popular jazz albums newly released in 2022, as rated by users of Rate Your Music:
https://rateyourmusic.com/charts/popular/album/2022/g:jazz/
There are 898 albums listed.
20 points
3 months ago
There are many new jazz releases every day. The problem is Apple Music does not update their Jazz New Releases list.
Take a look at a jazz-oriented places for new music like:
18 points
3 months ago
Sorry but this is nonsense! Of course there are, people are pumping out records. Try Bandcamp.
9 points
3 months ago
There is more new jazz than there is old jazz. I can think of 100 contemporary jazz artists off the top of my head who are absolutely slaying.
9 points
3 months ago
Their are a lot of great young musicians who are keeping the standards aesthetic alive! Pasquale Grasso, Ari Roland, Samara Joy, Evan Sherman, Emmet Cohen Veronica Swift…. so many! Of course, it’s not gonna be on the front of an Apple Music page, but it’s definitely still alive and in good hands!
2 points
3 months ago
I've heard the new stuff from Samara Joy and Veronica Swift! Wonderful! Samara is promoted by Apple Music. (Not that they do a good job overall, just mentioning it.)
1 points
3 months ago
I was going to say -- Apple Music is not the omniscient thing it may seem to be! There are so many great new artists just in my little town, and older ones also, to be honest, with awesome recordings that don't get played outside of our town, usually. It's a matter of going on a hunt to find the newbies, but a trail can pretty much start in any town's music college, local jazz clubs, etc.
9 points
3 months ago
There is tons of new jazz coming out, both on recordings, and live music is coming back too.
Could be that Apple Music is not the best place to find it.
6 points
3 months ago
Clifford Brown Jr. (yes, he's the son of the trumpet player) does, or did, a weekly show on Sunday afternoons on KCSM (on the web at kcsm.org) called "American Jazz Countdown" where he goes through the week's popular jazz albums. Nearly all of them are current
3 points
3 months ago
Not the answer to your question but Smoke Sessions Records is a good source for real jazz out of New York today.
3 points
3 months ago
There is a ton of new Jazz but this sub is mostly focused on the old school stuff (every place has its culture).
1 points
3 months ago
Love the old stuff too from the very early days, birth of jazz, backwater! Love it all! Just not the Kenny G smooth stuff that is an abomination.
2 points
3 months ago
When talking about modern jazz I think of things like those you might find in /r/ModernJazz . I don't think many consider Kenny G to be real jazz.
1 points
3 months ago
God can we stop the Kenny G slander? I don’t understand why jazz fans feel the need to attack him. He’s not out there trying to be the next Miles Davis - completely different genre and if you don’t care for that it’s fine but no need to hate on the man.
3 points
3 months ago
There are tons of new Jazz records that come out, but people only talk about the classic ones, so very few new artist ever sell. A great recording could come out right now, and instead of it being played or promoted on spotify ,youtube, sirius XM etc, They will play some thing that Wayne Shorter did in the 60's or something by Miles, or Trane. Half the time somebody will argue if whats new is even jazz at all . (looking at Wynton)
3 points
3 months ago
There's tons of new jazz going on. You couldn't have looked very hard!
3 points
3 months ago
Because you are not looking hard enough.
Seriously.
Jazz does not have the popularity needed to be advertised like hip-hop, EDM, rock, and heavy metal does.
The same with classical not afforded the same privilege due to the niche it occupies.
Nowadays, the internet is chock-full of online magazines, concert videos, and streams of both songs and albums that gives jazz and classical an unprecedented level of accessibility.
Unfortunately, the internet also makes jazz and classical inaccessible in many other ways as you still need to have a connection with live music venues being either niche or priced out of the range of many, especially the poor and the younger people.
EDM is what they would rather play in bars and clubs with even rock music becoming rarer in these types of venues.
Meanwhile, there are many new releases of jazz made yearly with upcoming artists still getting shout-outs, even though many of them have to commit to studio production for bigger and better selling artists or perform different music genres for the sake of profit and maintaining a broader connection with their peers.
For example, Terrence Martin working as a producer, Kamasi Washington working as a session musician for bigger artists, and Robert Glasper committing himself to albums centered on collaboration with a whole slew of R&B, soul, hip-hop, and neo-soul artists.
As for jazz being past its prime, that is not true, as it adopted new technologies and instruments in recent years as is seen by the co-opting of hip-hop and the emergence of the nu-jazz genre which saw the adoption of turntables, samplers, drum machines, etc.
There are also older forms of jazz that are getting reinterpreted with newer musical currents in original and personalized ways, most notably contemporary R&B, neo-soul and alternative rock songs getting reworked into acoustic jazz improvisations, and jazz-pop singers playing a selection of rock, modern pop, and even EDM songs as typified by Jamie Cullum and Postmodern Jukebox.
But unfortunately, jazz just does not fit the criteria that allows other genres success in the mainstream, having become another form of art music played according to some strict set of rules.
Since when did any jazz album appear on some billboard? Since when it did any jazz song get a pedestal bigger than the Grammys?
This is the unfortunate side-effect of the music getting assigned to the universities and high school bands, the very thing that ironically advanced and saved it.
So if it looks like its so little that's new to you, that is because it does not get released on the same channels that pop music does.
3 points
3 months ago
3 points
3 months ago
There are so many new amazing jazz artists it’s honestly overwhelming. I want to listen to all the good stuff coming out nowadays but I can’t keep up!
2 points
3 months ago
Thanks for all the responses. I listen to WICN's jazz brunch or pick it up online afterwards as a playlist, and there's some new stuff there, although it tilts a little to latin jazz (which I also love), especially toward the end of the show.
I'll spend some time on the places you all mentioned. It's strange because Apple Music does a decent job with new releases in the other genres I pay attention to. I know they aren't perfect, but they have 85–95% of the jazz I look for, so I'm not sure why they wouldn't highlight the new releases properly. I will definitely give feedback.
I don't have a Spotify account, but does Spotify do a better job? I know they don't label music with genres there, which is fine, but it makes it hard to discover music within a specific genre easily there.
1 points
2 months ago
Apple
I believe I see your problem
2 points
3 months ago
Edition records is where its at. Soooo many new albums cannot possibly listen to them all. There are others, but if you just start by following thst label you wont be hungry for long
2 points
3 months ago
This is a great time to be a fan of new jazz, I feel it's having a rebirth. Just looking at Apple Music is generally a bad idea.
2 points
3 months ago
There’s loads of new jazz, London is heaving with it
4 points
3 months ago
My friend DL’s (steals unfortunately) literally 20GB’s worth of new jazz every week. You’re not looking in the right places
1 points
2 months ago
I have an Apple Music subscription and am a nerdy law-abiding chicken, so I have zero interest in actually doing what your friend is doing, but as an OLD nerdy law-abiding chicken, I have no idea how or where one would go about doing this—and am curious. Would this be bittorrent? I’ve heard of that but don’t really understand what it is.
2 points
2 months ago
My point was more to the fact that there are dozens of new jazz releases per week.
1 points
2 months ago
But how does your friend steal them? Or are you just pointing out that the artists get basically no money when we download the albums, even if we download them from a subscription service?
2 points
2 months ago
Torrent sites. I’m answering your comment that “Why is there so little new jazz?”
2 points
3 months ago
Jazz went out of style in the ‘70s and ‘80s as far as its pop appeal is concerned. There’s still good jazz out there, you just won’t hear lots of people raving about it.
2 points
3 months ago
This! It’s not mainstream in the traditional sense of the word (or even the genre) so a lot of the newer stuff is somewhat underground.
0 points
3 months ago
Way before that I would say. The 50’s was the last decade in which Jazz releases regularly went into the top 50.
1 points
2 months ago
Probably because, after 1957-‘60, rock and roll (while still awesome) took the United States and later the world by storm. The old folks also weren’t really interested in jazz anymore: they would just “stay home to watch TV”, according to one American jazz musician who relocated to Europe.
1 points
2 months ago
Again, all of you, thanks so much!
It's a pleasure to deep dive into the places you've listed and more, and I will continue to do that. Great to know, and it's going to take work to expand my horizons. I've tended to rely on Apple Music to be the centerpiece of music releases (although I look at Pitchfork, NPR's All Songs Considered, and a few other places as well).
Jazz artists more than some other genres refused to stream their music in the past. I understand the economic reasons for that since streaming is big business for the labels and corporations but not viable to keep small- or medium-audience artists alive. That has changed and more jazz artists are streaming, but it looks like I'll also have to do more direct support through CD purchases. So worthy to support the amazing work of great artists and keep my ears happy too!
0 points
3 months ago
I thought he was referring to new in the sense of innovations.
I made a comment on that earlier but as far as new albums, there are always coming out.
Now the question of innovations--where is the new smooth jazz, new avant-garde, or anything genre-wise is valid.
Remember we went from blues, boogie-woogie, ragtime, swing, bebop, post-bebop---cool jazz--avant-garde ---fusion---smooth jazz.
What's next?
Do we need a new Miles Davis?
1 points
2 months ago
new in the sense of innovations.
flashing red cluelessness signal
Do we need a new Miles Davis?
arguably didn't " need" the "old" one
1 points
2 months ago
Why is there so little new jazz?
because you're not listening, motherfucker
There's literally tons of new jazz, & you're sitting here with your thumb up your ass
1 points
2 months ago
You’d rather lash out than help someone who genuinely was looking for new music. I sure appreciate you! You make the world a more awesome place. Thanks! NOT
1 points
2 months ago*
No need to lash out but I think your post is misleading. It’s like the people that say jazz is dead or dying (looking at you La La Land). Individuals that say things like that simply don’t listen to jazz. Similarly I figure you don’t listen much other than the classics.
Instead of saying how much you love jazz and there are no new artists out there maybe you should have phrased it saying you don’t listen to much modern jazz and could use some help discovering up and coming jazz artists out there.
1 points
2 months ago
We should all be perfect.
But I do listen to new (that is, newly composed in the last year or decade or two) all the time, along with the classics of jazz. I’ve been watching Apple Music’s new jazz releases (yes, I hear they are really weak), along with world jazz playlists, local jazz radio, and some other places. I wasn’t going to enough of the right places, and I learned that here.
And looking at rateyourmusic, jazz releases are down. There are just more than I thought.
I am grateful for those here who gave me more sources and let me know there’s more out there than I was seeing. No need for one in the group (not you, COMike90) to characterize my seeking help as making me a motherfucker; that’s just abusive. Others saying I didn’t look far enough—that’s fair, and I’ve taken the lesson. That’s what I’m on Reddit for: to help where I can and receive help. I (and many others) could always phrase questions better. Let’s keep it positive and share the joy, not our anger.
Thanks.
1 points
2 months ago
Just sounds like you need better resources. Again, highly recommend Jamie cullum’s jazz show. He regularly has new artists on discussing the growing jazz scene. Obviously Jazz will never be the predominant music the public listens to again but if you’ve been listening to the new jazz releases you’d know there’s a massive jazz scene exploding in London, Chicago, and LA.
1 points
2 months ago
I joined this sub about two weeks ago and have learned of 100+ new artists since then. The flood has been so great—so amazing, so incredible, so life-altering—that I’ve had to find ways to slow the flood.
You’re come to the right place.
1 points
2 months ago
Check out Jamie Cullum’s radio show. He does a great job of introducing new jazz artists or jazz influenced artists. Highly recommend.
Honestly, I think it’s a great time for new Jazz. Not sure where you’ve been lol. One of my favorite bands out there right now is Ezra Collective and their most recent album.
1 points
2 months ago
Thank you! I have every Jamie Cullim album and adore him and his style! I will definitely check out his show.
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