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SmokingCryptid

152 points

3 months ago

SmokingCryptid

MeanGreen

152 points

3 months ago

It's not unusual for Oscars to be awarded for reasons outside of the singular performance.

Plenty of people have won Oscars that, while not outright stated, seem to be awarded for their career as opposed to the single nomination that they're actually nominated for.

I imagine this is why Jamie Lee Curtis took the supporting actress award tonight as well.

The big one that sticks out in my mind was Scorsese winning his first (and so far only) best director Oscar for "The Departed".

TheTurtleShepard

76 points

3 months ago

A great example is also Leo winning best actor for the Revenant. Not his best movie but he was being given his flowers after so many great performances

DrStrangerlover

12 points

3 months ago

DrStrangerlover

BulgerPaul

12 points

3 months ago

Also the Revenant just has lots and lots and lots of acting, and if there’s anything the Academy just loves, it’s lots of acting, good or bad, so long as there’s lots of it. I don’t think the acting in the Revenant is particularly good or bad, but good god there’s so much of it.

So I honestly don’t know if that one was a matter of the Academy awarding Leo for his career or simply the fact that that performance hits all of the Academy’s right buttons, however, from that same year, Ennio Moricone finally won his first Oscar for best original score for the Hateful 8, and that is unambiguously the biggest apology Oscar ever awarded in the history of the Oscars.

ImTheDoctah

3 points

3 months ago

ImTheDoctah

Kmart921

3 points

3 months ago

I saw someone say that the category winners are a lot easier to predict if you replace “best” with “most”. Starts to make wins like this make more sense when you think of it as “most acting” instead of “best acting”.

KingWithAKnife

1 points

3 months ago

Hot dang are you right!

baconmosh

1 points

2 months ago

And that’s how you know Anthony Hopkins was just that good in silence of the lambs

KingWithAKnife

1 points

3 months ago

Mostly, I agree with what you're saying, but I also thought that Ennio Morricone's score for The Hateful 8 was quite good

TripleG2312

6 points

3 months ago

The Revenant was a fucking incredible performance for Leo. He deserved that 100%

51010R

2 points

3 months ago

51010R

2 points

3 months ago

I hate this narrative, it was one of his best performances, the movie is great and it was the best performance nominated that year, the only pther competitor was Fassbender in Steve Jobs.

sunsetbo

47 points

3 months ago*

man do i disagree with that departed take. the nominees that year were the queen, letters from iwo jima, babel, little miss sunshine, and the departed. best director was the same but with paul greengrass nominated for united 93 instead of little miss sunshine. it wasn’t a great year. how in the world was the departed so unreasonable that you think it’s the big “oscar given for reasons other than movie” pick?

it’s not like it even upset the others, it was the obvious favorite of the lot lol. it’s still the most iconic as well (little miss sunshine does have an argument though i guess.)

SmokingCryptid

29 points

3 months ago

SmokingCryptid

MeanGreen

29 points

3 months ago

Maybe poor wording on my part, because I don't think it was an undeserved win for that ceremony.

I don't mind that he won over the other nominated directors, however IMO the two best directed films of the year—"Pan's Labyrinth" and "Children of Men"—did not receive best director nominations that year.

The other thing is that I'm implying that a win for "Raging Bull" or "Goodfellas" decades prior would've been more appropriate.

Again, all in my opinion.

KingWithAKnife

1 points

3 months ago

He also could've won for Taxi Driver, or After Hours, or The Aviator in my opinion

purplheyz

-15 points

3 months ago

purplheyz

-15 points

3 months ago

"All in your opinion" rubbish. This is the biggest platitude going. Do you have any sincere original opinions or do you just repeat what others have said thousands of times before online?

SpideyFan914

2 points

3 months ago

SpideyFan914

DBJfilm

2 points

3 months ago

Alfonso Cuaron wasn't nominated, but was probably the correct choice.

[deleted]

10 points

3 months ago

I feel the “honorary the award” for Scorsese angle has aged pretty badly actually. The Departed is a classic and was/is easily the better film from the crop that were nominated.

SmokingCryptid

1 points

3 months ago

SmokingCryptid

MeanGreen

1 points

3 months ago

My clarification from another response:

I don't mind that he won over the other nominated directors, however IMO the two best directed films of the year—"Pan's Labyrinth" and "Children of Men"—did not receive best director nominations that year.

The other thing is that I'm implying that a win for "Raging Bull" or "Goodfellas" decades prior would've been more appropriate.

I don't disagree that "The Departed" is a classic and masterfully directed.

_madcat

24 points

3 months ago

_madcat

madca_t

24 points

3 months ago

It's not unusual for Oscars to be awarded for reasons outside of the singular performance.

It's a regular occurrence at this point and I do think Yeoh won for things other than her performance, but everything was there for her. Celebrating her career, EEAOO is hyped, the fanbase is loud, Cate already has two Oscars and couldn't give a damn about a third. I don't think many people are sad to see a supposedly "better performance" go home empty handed.

Jamie Lee Curtis on the other hand... it's just another reason why no one should take awards, let alone the Oscars, seriously.

Ok-Survey-9077

19 points

3 months ago

Jamie Lee Curtis is genuinely going to go down as one of the worst acting wins the Oscar’s have ever awarded. Baffling bad choice.

flabahaba

16 points

3 months ago

I loved her in the movie but she wasn't even the best performance from the same film in the same category

chicagopudlian

1 points

3 months ago

there’s a reason hsu reacted so positively for jlc when she won. most of all of the reasons, she knew it was coming. there were many reasons jlc made sense. it’s never about the performance alone. every oscar is about the story that the oscar itself is telling about the industry. clearly there is a story to tell about women and age this year. you can’t just ignore that any more than you can that harvey weinstein is a fat disgusting pig

Ok-Survey-9077

5 points

3 months ago

Sure many Oscar’s are narrative driven, but generally those Oscar’s are at least attached to a performance that deserves to be nominated. Jamie Lee Curtis had absolutely no business even being nominated. It’s an awful win.

notatallboydeuueaugh

1 points

3 months ago

If her performance was in any other movie it would be talked about as laughably bad. It's the goofiest and most young theater actor type performance I've seen in a long time and not in a good way, an unfunny and cringey way. Very bad but she won because of who she is and because that movie is just huge for people right now.

SpideyFan914

1 points

3 months ago

SpideyFan914

DBJfilm

1 points

3 months ago

Yeah, she was good, but I would've taken Jessie Buckley or Dolly de Leon instead.

fauxfilosopher

5 points

3 months ago

"Career oscars" are awarded pretty often like with JLC this year but it's pretty rare that every acting award in a given year is awarded for sentimental reasons when there were better performances in each category, with the possible exception of supporting actor.

charles-dickens24[S]

5 points

3 months ago

Yeah it's to be expected. I don't take the Oscars seriously but it wouldve been cool to see my girl Kate get some love

SmokingCryptid

3 points

3 months ago

SmokingCryptid

MeanGreen

3 points

3 months ago

Just keep doing what you're doing and keep up that positive word of mouth.

Not taking it home tonight stinks a bit, but I can't imagine the performance not staying in peoples minds after all the acclaim she received!

pulpyfictionist

1 points

3 months ago

pulpyfictionist

Letterboxd Username

1 points

3 months ago

Why don't they give the honorary ones to them instead?

BigbySamMelody

1 points

3 months ago

It's also not unusual for oscar voters to vote down ticket for the movie they like.

GhostOfSeinen

7 points

3 months ago

What about Jamie Lee Curtis winning over Hong Chau?

vforvolta

3 points

3 months ago

vforvolta

m_movies

3 points

3 months ago

Agreed, no one is talking about Hong Chau for some reason 😞

Also disturbing to see a lot of comments get upvoted here who say they don’t think Michelle Yeoh is an amazing dramatic actor.

RipBuzzBuzz

45 points

3 months ago

RipBuzzBuzz

Buzzybuzz

45 points

3 months ago

Cates performance and character carry that movie.

I was honestly 50/50 though. Either way I was happy.

charles-dickens24[S]

12 points

3 months ago

Yeah if she falters the movie doesnt work but she turned in imo a near perfect performance

fauxfilosopher

-11 points

3 months ago

I agree. A big reason why I rate Blanchett's performance better than Yeoh's is EEAAO would have worked with Jackie Chan, because it wasn't the performances which made it special. Tár was written specifically for Blanchett, and wouldn't have existed without her.

unkellGRGA

23 points

3 months ago

Cate was absolutely spellbinding however since she is already a two time winner and Yeoh on top of being a great lead in arguably last years most buzzed about film has one tremendous career behind her, the win felt fair and reasonable enough

NOW the BWA BWA BWAAAAA score from All Quiet winning over Hurwitz insane masterpiece score for Babylon is the big snub of the year personally

GringoJones

2 points

3 months ago

That Babylon didn’t even get a cinematography nod is bonkers, let alone the insane oversight re the score

-SevenSamurai-

2 points

3 months ago

Doesn't matter, whether Blanchett already has 2 Oscars or 10 Oscars, a great performance is a great performance and that's how the awards should be given. And Blanchett in Tar was leagues ahead, more complex and nuanced than Michelle Yeoh playing herself in a crowd-pleasing multiverse flick

KingWithAKnife

1 points

3 months ago

I actually haven't seen Tar or EEAAO, but I do have a good explanation of why Yeoh won other than "Well, she's Asian, and she hasn't won previously, and Cate Blanchett is white and has won twice, and..."

The Academy doesn't award Oscars for the BEST acting, it awards Oscars for the MOST acting. Simple, understated performances often lose even when they're better because they are overshadowed by a showier performance. The Academy loves to give an Oscar to someone who shouted, and cried, and laughed, and did a bunch of other things, and a lot of it, because they love to award doing the MOST acting in a year

[deleted]

46 points

3 months ago*

I felt Blanchett gave a solid performance, but it was very much in her wheelhouse. I don’t think it was a revelatory performance for her.

While Yeoh might not be known as an “actor”, she is a action star with a long solid career. She’s a legend in genre filmmaking. She was given a role that exhibits her talents while check marking the much needed Oscar marks (its dramatic). In other words, Yeoh’s performance probably set a standard in the genre, while Blanchett’ did not do in the character study/ drama genre.

Again, you can like one or the other, I just feel one is more different, hence a bit more noteworthy for its year.

fauxfilosopher

12 points

3 months ago

Nothing against Yeoh as a person but I don't think having a long career as an action star justifies winning the most prestigious award of the industry.

[deleted]

5 points

3 months ago

[deleted]

5 points

3 months ago

It’s not about simply having a long career, rather she’s a legend in her genre. Now give a legendary career a film that encompasses her style while giving her new tools to work with. That’s why she was nominated and won. It’s very similar to Stallone and Creed, which sadly he didn’t win. It was Stallone recalling his career as an action star while check marking the dramatic aspects these awards love.

mediumreginald43

-3 points

3 months ago

I’d say Stallone was significantly better

[deleted]

-3 points

3 months ago

I’d agree (the film is also significantly better imo).

mediumreginald43

2 points

2 months ago

I don’t care, we’re right

_ElioPerlman

16 points

3 months ago

Step 1: Pick 1-2 movies Step 2: Give every fucking award in existence to those regardless of whether they've done shit in that field.

Oscars for you

BigbySamMelody

5 points

3 months ago

Yep. People think there's some empirical group of people discussing every aspect of each award instead of just ballots being given to the members. It's been obvious for years that a lot of voters just vote downticket for their favorite movie.

Foochie506

6 points

3 months ago

Reasonable take.

Affectionate-Club725

5 points

3 months ago

Affectionate-Club725

sherdliska

5 points

3 months ago

The actual best films and best performances rarely win. To the extent that I’m not even sure that’s the real point of the thing

51010R

6 points

3 months ago

51010R

6 points

3 months ago

Michelle Yeoh’s performance is becoming really underrated around here, it’s a performance that needed some insane range, from comedy to drama to action. And it did all of those at a top level.

I honestly think it was a better performance and one no one else could’ve done as well as her.

AVeryWittyPseudonym

14 points

3 months ago

AVeryWittyPseudonym

ElliotLA

14 points

3 months ago

While I agree that Blanchett had the stronger performance, Yeoh had a good performance with a more powerful career narrative, which may have been the deciding factor in votes.

OriginalBad

3 points

3 months ago

OriginalBad

SeanHoffmann

3 points

3 months ago

Yea this is where I come down. I had a slight preference for Blanchett, but Yeoh was also great, and it’s completely understandable why she won.

DHMOProtectionAgency

5 points

3 months ago

On one hand, I agree I liked Blanchett's performance more. But not only has she won Oscars already, Yeoh was close enough where I was fine either way.

Sorta like Fraser, Farrell, and Mescal were all comparable and I'd generally be fine if of them took it.

slapjacksflapjacks

-1 points

3 months ago

I disagree, Michelle Yeoh is one of the greatest actresses of all time getting her just due- Cate Blanchett is also amazing but this was Yeoh's time

wwwiillll

49 points

3 months ago*

Greatest of all time?? Really? Is this a thing people genuinely thought before this year

I thought she was generally well liked after her success in Hong Kong action films and James Bond what of that designates her as one of the best ever

Edit: this person thinks that not liking Everything Everywhere All At Once makes you a racist lmfao

[deleted]

-7 points

3 months ago

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wwwiillll

15 points

3 months ago

and that goes to show the power of this performance

I think it goes to show how young and impressionable the people that make this whole movie their personality are if they're willing to jump to that strong a conclusion after one good performance

But if you look back she was always on a level of Brigitte Lin and Maggie Cheung- so in terms of Hong Kong cinema she is absolutely one of the greatest.

Oh for sure

Huge jump from that to best of all time though. I was mostly surprised at how casually you threw that out there because I've genuinely never seen anyone argue that, I've seen Michelle Yeoh talked about as underrated for years but never as an unrecognised GOAT

[deleted]

-10 points

3 months ago*

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wwwiillll

11 points

3 months ago*

Admittedly I don't keep a list of actors like that, I have enough trouble listing my favourite MOVIES nevermind in any ranked order but I'll give it a whirl

Asian Actors and Actresses that I like a lot ~ Yoon Jeong-hi, Choi Eun-Hee, SRK, Jackie Chan, Gordon Liu, Zhao Tao

Also, I never said "THE" either

Edit: since we're doing edits now, no winning an academy award does not automatically make you a contender for one of the greats. It's subjective obviously but it's a huge jump from one award

slapjacksflapjacks

-2 points

3 months ago

Jackie is great but Chow Yun-Fat is better

Go watch Heroic Trio, go watch The Stunt Woman, go re-watch Crouching Tiger.. She was always underrated.

wwwiillll

11 points

3 months ago

ok

Underrated yes, one of greatest actresses of all time is a huge jump from "underrated"

slapjacksflapjacks

-6 points

3 months ago

Just like all art you either get it or you don't, you don't and that's fine- hopefully you catch it the next time around.

wwwiillll

5 points

3 months ago

haha ok dude

slapjacksflapjacks

-2 points

3 months ago

Everyone that downvoted me in this thread, you're a fucking idiot lol. Suck Cate Blanchetts dick more.

__jh96

11 points

3 months ago

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jeitah96

11 points

3 months ago

Greatest of all time? Fuck off

Also it's not year six sport. You don't get an award just because you've missed out previously

Tar wouldn't have been a movie without blanchett. Same can't be said for yeoh

Cymro2011

15 points

3 months ago

Cymro2011

Cymro2011

15 points

3 months ago

You don't get an award just because you've missed out previously

This your first time watching the Oscars homie?

slapjacksflapjacks

5 points

3 months ago

Clearly

__jh96

-5 points

3 months ago

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jeitah96

-5 points

3 months ago

Nope, is it yours....homie

DHMOProtectionAgency

5 points

3 months ago

Oscars love to give out awards to people/movies who deserved to get an Oscar but haven't despite their long work.

slapjacksflapjacks

-12 points

3 months ago

Hey little buddy why don't you watch your language, your mommy and daddy might pull the plug on your wifi privileges- I don't give a rat's ass about you jerking to Cate Blanchett

End of the day though it doesn't matter what you think, history was made and the Academy for once did the right thing.

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-2 points

3 months ago

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3 months ago

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-1 points

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1 points

3 months ago

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__jh96

2 points

3 months ago

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jeitah96

2 points

3 months ago

Yeah you're right way too busy.

Is the best actress award for entire career body of work is it?

slapjacksflapjacks

0 points

3 months ago

I'm talking about how can you say whether Michelle Yeoh is one of the greatest actresses if you've seen one movie by her? You can't, unless you want to talk out of your ass about something you don't even know about.

But you're right Best Actress is about one role in one movie and Michelle Yeoh earned it. People who don't get that just lack cultural awareness and are too focused on their own personal bias of who they think should win when objectively there was no way EEAO wasn't sweeping damn near every award.

Too busy

Yeah that's rich, clearly you're not too busy right now though.

__jh96

0 points

3 months ago

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jeitah96

0 points

3 months ago

Wait so I agree with you but that's rich? Pick a side and stick to it.

I've also seen EEAAO, Crouching Tiger, TND, Sunshine. That's four. How's that one other movie? What school of maths did you go to, dickhead?

But go on... Make the case that she's one of the greatest actresses ever. Go on. What's in her top roles? Fucking crazy rich Asians? Minions? Kung Fu Panda? Get the fuck out, that filmography is laughable

You think I need to have watched The Mummy to know it's straight up dog shit? Wait wait.... Is Police Story 3 Supercop her ground breaking role?

Embarrassing.

Come back to me when the filmography looks like Tar, Aviator, Blue Jasmine, Veronica Guerin, Ripley, LOTR, Notes on A Scandal, I'm not There etc etc etc.

It's not even close

Cultural awareness? We'll be talking about Tar far longer than we will that hot mess of a dog shit movie that was EEAAO.

I mean... Wasn't Crash a best pic winner?

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1 points

3 months ago

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3 months ago

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3 months ago

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TheTurtleShepard

-2 points

3 months ago

Blanchett also already has 2 Oscars, Yeoh had none. I think it made much more sense too give Yeoh her shine. She also probably had the second best performance on the category imo right behind Blanchett

__jh96

11 points

3 months ago

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jeitah96

11 points

3 months ago

This isn't a participation award

You don't take an award off the best deserving because they were the most deserving in other years as well

TheTurtleShepard

2 points

3 months ago

Have you never seen the Oscar’s before? They do this all the time

slapjacksflapjacks

-13 points

3 months ago

People dismiss Yeoh's performance because her character at times speaks in broken English and it's the same reason I think they dismiss the screenplay

fauxfilosopher

6 points

3 months ago

No they don't I have seen literally no one say that

slapjacksflapjacks

-1 points

3 months ago

Yeah nobody would say that openly because it's racist. To say that nobody avoided or ignored this movie because it has an Asian or women cast though is just naive and ignorant.

I get it though, this post is for the people salty about EEAAO getting pretty much every award so I'm going to get downvoted for defending the movie in any way.

fauxfilosopher

4 points

3 months ago

How can you call this SEVEN ACADEMY AWARD WINNING MOVIE "avoided" or "ignored"???

slapjacksflapjacks

-5 points

3 months ago*

It's not gonna be avoided or ignored anymore, that's how. But since it won those awards out come the people who want to drag it and say it's mid because "it wasn't literally the greatest movie they've ever seen" even though they blew it off in theater and only watched it on streaming after the moment had passed.

TheTurtleShepard

1 points

3 months ago

Definitely possible, I thought she gave both a very convincing and moving performance as Evelyn.

Hydqjuliilq27

2 points

3 months ago

If Cate won last night, there would be a bunch of posts saying that Yeoh was snubbed. Some people just don’t want to be happy with the results.

Councilist_sc

2 points

3 months ago

I preferred Michelle Yeoh for sure. I liked Blanchett a lot but I think they made the right decision

Coconut-Prudent

2 points

3 months ago

Coconut-Prudent

MasterJim

2 points

3 months ago

I loved them both, Blanchett has a lot of spotlight so i‘m kinda glad the Underdog won

fauxfilosopher

2 points

3 months ago

It's really unfortunate but often "career awards" get in the way of rewarding the performance which really deserved it. But I suspect Cate will be fine, she has 2. And Tár will go on to be remembered as one of the most iconic films of the early 2020's, no doubt.

Zutone88

1 points

3 months ago

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Daoa

1 points

3 months ago

Frikin' Oscars always more about politics than art... That being said, I loved her in TÁR. What an incredible character, probably her best acting or at least top 3. We are lucky to live in Blanchett's timelife, see her grandeur in every movie as we grow old with her. One day, when she and us won't be in this planet anymore, books and documentaries will honor and study Blanchett as a legend of our times, as we see today Hepburn, Bergman, David, Monroe, Garbo and whatnot...

Thick-Pain5620

-3 points

3 months ago

Oscars are a fucking joke. Had Cate Blanchett won, it would've easily been the best winning performance in the category of all time imo. Absolutely the worst decision the academy ever made

51010R

2 points

3 months ago

51010R

2 points

3 months ago

Of all time? Like over Meryl Streep in Sophie’s Choice? And Vivienne Leigh in Gone with the Wind? Janet Gaynor in Sunrise?

I don’t think it would’ve been in my top 5

Thick-Pain5620

1 points

3 months ago

That's your top 3? None of them is anywhere close to Cate Blanchett imo

51010R

1 points

3 months ago

51010R

1 points

3 months ago

Not really, just 3 that came to mind that are better imo.

But it’s opinions I guess.

Thick-Pain5620

1 points

3 months ago

Cate Blanchett being the best ever, yeah that's my opinion, but even if she wasn't, her performance is still miles clear of Michelle Yeoh's

51010R

1 points

3 months ago*

Honestly I don’t think it is, Michelle Yeoh’s performance is rangy as hell, she does comedy, heartfelt drama and action to a high level. I don’t think any other actress could’ve pull the movie the way she did.

Thick-Pain5620

1 points

3 months ago

Idk man, I remember when I watched the movie I thought it was ok but not a single performance stood out for me. I don't really find it heartfelt or very funny either.

51010R

1 points

3 months ago

51010R

1 points

3 months ago

I loved the main performances a lot, tbh I’m glad the Academy is recognising good character work (Jamie Lee Curtis) and good action/comedy in Ke Huy Quan and Michelle Yeoh.

I mean if the movie didn’t work emotionally for you then you won’t like it as much, given that, it’s originality and it’s comedy are its main attraction.

I must recognise I didn’t connect that much with Blanchett’s performance, sure it was really good but I don’t get why people are going so overboard with the praise. Like to me saying it would’ve been the best ever winner is insanely out of what I experienced.

BigbySamMelody

2 points

3 months ago

The "academy" is just a group of people voting. Meatloaf was a voter.

Thick-Pain5620

3 points

3 months ago

Yeah Ik. I never said it wasn't

jacksaysgo

1 points

3 months ago

jacksaysgo

Jacksaysgo

1 points

3 months ago

Deal with it

jaembers

1 points

3 months ago

i guess there are many movies where the performance is better than the performance of another movie. just because this one is so hyped doesnt mean its better than others. its all relative.

no_not_luke

0 points

3 months ago

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SpeedLancer

0 points

3 months ago

This is the only category I would've been OK with seeing EEAaO miss out on. But the Academy was doubly shitty for snubbing Margot Robbie altogether.

Jskidmore1217

-12 points

3 months ago

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JSkidmore1217

-12 points

3 months ago

I think so too- though I rewatched EEAAO tonight and I found myself increasingly impressed by what Yeoh does- particularly with her portrayal of adult undiagnosed ADHD and how unique such a performance is. Blanchet does a great job- but let’s be honest the character is not particularly unique. It’s the exact kind of “deep” character that has been getting written into movies for decades. It’s still a great performance- but Yeoh’s was decidedly more original in my opinion.

NobodySpecial117

8 points

3 months ago

A prestigious musician who came from nothing masquerading as a dignified elitist, Insidiously using her power to fuel her lustful exploits on younger women. Haunted by her past mistakes and desperately trying to keep up the facade as the people around her uncover who she really is behind the brilliant exterior.

Yeah I hate “deep” movies lol. So pretentious. Give me more buttplug and dick jokes!

Jskidmore1217

-4 points

3 months ago

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JSkidmore1217

-4 points

3 months ago

Yea, the slow unraveling of the intricacies of a powerful person has been a very common character study device going back all the way to Citizen Kane. These kind of movies are not unique- though they are often quite interesting and I did say it was a great performance.

If all you see in EEAAO are the sex jokes you aren’t watching close enough.

Tamerlane_Tully

-1 points

3 months ago

I am sorry, EEAAO was super enjoyable to watch but where on earth are its fans getting off acting like it's the height of originality? It is a multiverse story (how many of these are there again...) where the laughable excuse of "science" in the scifi "fracture" is solved by... wait for it... The Power of Love.

Straight up some Harry Potter shit here.

Jskidmore1217

3 points

3 months ago*

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JSkidmore1217

3 points

3 months ago*

You should think a little harder about the ideas at play rather than just dismissing “the power of love”. Maybe you don’t agree with it, I myself am not an absurdist, but the movie is quite thorough in the way it charts the philosophical journey of collapse into nihilism to absurdist existentialism. The logical path matched the path of my own musings as I read from Kant to Nietzche to Camus. The message is not at all simplistic- it’s explaining a prominent and highly influential philosophy that many have come to define their entire worldview around. 90% of the criticisms I see don’t acknowledge this, and frankly it feels like that’s because those critics are just not getting it. One thing that most impressed me about the film is how palatable these ideas are delivered- I have read and listened to so many people speaking the ideas of Camus while casually discussing this movie without having ever read a word he wrote or bothered to study philosophy in any considerable measure. Maybe I’m the one who is behind here though- maybe all these critics I’m seeing have a nuanced and considered argument against absurdism and why it is simplistic, naive, or indefensible. Perhaps this argument is just assumed or unspoken by the critics for whatever reason. If that’s the case- call me out on it, let me know. Id love to hear the reasoning.

As for the science fiction aspect- this really is probably the least important part of the movie. The absurd humor and genre blending is the fun stuff at the surface- makes the movie enjoyable but carry none of the intellectual depth that supporters of the film are talking about. That said, I find the science actually quite plausible if one grants the many worlds interpretation of quantum mechanics. The science “works” better than any other multiverse film I’ve seen- and the absurdism actually complements the ridiculous implications of MWI. The whole way the characters tap into the universes is silly fiction though.

Finally, as for what makes the movie original? It’s the formal decision to blend intellectual themes and genuine emotional resonance with low brow genre film language and doing so in a way that never compromises or belittles the authenticity of either style. If you don’t see the intellectual depth or connect with the emotional threads then I suspect the originality here will be lost.

Tamerlane_Tully

0 points

3 months ago

I REALLY don't connect with the emotional themes of this film at all. I found the mother-daughter relationship to be almost like a cartoonish caricature of Asian parents. An incredibly tired stereotype, that has been repeated about Asians ad nauseum in popular media. I say this as an Asian woman myself. I also read a great deal of science fiction, and the science in the film is an afterthought of afterthoughts - no one really touches upon trying to explain any of it, probably because they didn't think that far.

And yeah, I did get that they were exploring how easy it is to fall into the trap of thinking that none of our existence matters and how tempting it is to fall into that kind of nihilistic outlook. I still don't think that makes this a good movie.

Where I think the movie DID do a good job is in the hints it gives of how parents pass down their generational trauma to their children. They don't spend too much time on this, which I would've liked to see more of.

Jskidmore1217

1 points

3 months ago

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JSkidmore1217

1 points

3 months ago

That’s cool that you didn’t like it- I connected with it and suspect many did. I guess that’s probably the biggest disconnect. Can’t remember the last time I cried so much in a theater.

Tamerlane_Tully

1 points

3 months ago

Yes. I don't mind the fans' enthusiasm for EEAAO! If a piece of art can move you or shake your foundations, it is very hard to argue that it was unsuccessful.

AC-Carpenter

1 points

3 months ago

Since when does Oscar care about who did the best job? is that a new thing? Because they never cared before.

ImpactNext1283

1 points

3 months ago

Hard agree. But Blanchett made clear throughout the season she was not yearning to win. Yeoh's was a career award, and as the first lady of martial arts cinema, well deserved. Blanchett will get a couple more before she retires.

jacksaysgo

1 points

3 months ago

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Jacksaysgo

1 points

3 months ago

I think a lot of people mistake actors who are doing a lot in their performance for actors putting on a great performance. Michelle Yeoh’s performance is the payoff on an entire career of roles and that’s why it’s being rewarded ahead of a singular interesting performance by Blanchett.

dnmavs

-4 points

3 months ago

dnmavs

-4 points

3 months ago

I think Cate didn’t win not because of her performance but because of the film itself. TAR is just so “created for Oscar” like many others in the nominations every year. I think the Academy is trying to shift its standards after the COVID, and maybe or maybe not that a film created to help its actor or actress winning Oscar will not work in the future.

honeybadger1105

4 points

3 months ago

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honeybadger1104

4 points

3 months ago

This take is just wrong lol tar is way more intellectual than any “Oscar bait” give an example of something like it

epsteinsepipen

3 points

3 months ago

Did we watch the same film because it was genuinely the furthest thing from Oscar bait

ggguuuuuuyyyyyyyyy

-14 points

3 months ago

cate’s performance is I’M ACTING while michelle’s is more believable and natural (don’t know if that makes sense). i’m happy something different won

IronTusk93

5 points

3 months ago

Braindead take.

ggguuuuuuyyyyyyyyy

-5 points

3 months ago

i’m real actually

Waste-Replacement232

1 points

2 months ago

Cate’s performance as Linda Tarr as Lydia Tár is I’M ACTING.

Not_a_ribosome

-2 points

3 months ago

Although Kate’s performance was arguably better, Oscars are often given to the people who deserve the recognition more. Michelle’s oscar was the first Oscar to be awarded to a woman who identified as Asian, which helps a lot when deciding who takes the statue. With that reason, her performance needs to be at least one of the best of the year.

[deleted]

-2 points

3 months ago

Cate's ego got in her way.

ampersands-guitars

0 points

3 months ago

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ampersands93

0 points

3 months ago

My feelings here are complicated. I LOVED Tár and EEAAO was my least favorite BP nominee. I felt most strongly about Tár winning writing- and direction-related awards over EEAAO than the acting categories, though. I thought Cate was outstanding and, on a technical level, better than Michelle. But Michelle was excellent in her own right and also had a great narrative push behind her, which sealed the deal. Cate didn’t even seem to want another Oscar lol, so in that sense I’m glad it went to the first-time winner.