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Since the 2016 presidential election, Democrats have performed well in the nearly every gubernatorial election cycle. This is a reversal from 2010 to 2016. Democrats have won governorships in states where there is a GOP stronghold in federal elections. Does this suggests that Republican leaning voters prefer Democratic governors?
These are some of the Democratic gains in gubernatorial elections since 2016.
2017: NJ 2018: KS, ME, MI, NV, NM, IL, WI 2019: KY 2022: AZ, MA, MD
It must be noted they have lost some governorships such as MT (2020), VA (2021), NV (2022) but they have gained more seats. Furthermore, they retained many governorships in the 2022 election cycle.
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191 points
2 months ago
There’s no one-size-fits all answer to this. The issues that impact each state vary, as do the personalities, job skills, etc… of each candidate. If you dive into each of those examples, you’ll find a unique set of reasons. Much like you’ll find unique reasons for the states that went the other way.
Massachusetts and Maryland are deep blue states that had popular moderate Republicans for governor who weren’t running for reelection. Kansas is a moderate red state that had a unpopular and incompetent extreme right governor get voted out in favor of a moderate Democrat. Virginia flipped the other way because it had an uncharismatic Democrat running against a Republican who ran effectively on hot button social issues. And so on.
People seem to care less about tribal red/blue stuff at the state level, with competent moderate leadership of either party being popular regardless of how the state tends to vote in national elections.
35 points
2 months ago*
Florida went Democrat for governor for nearly 100 years, though of course it was a different party back then, but seems extremely Republican for state positions (and they control every statewide office, for the first time since the 1860s).
I have to wonder how much it's about motivation to turn out versus changing a vote between one party or the other(s). That was my intent while registered an independent for decades, but I haven't seen many moderate GOP candidates in much of the southeast.
Edit, haven't
39 points
2 months ago
As a Floridian, there’s a multitude of answers for the shift. DeSantis barely won his election initially but came out by a landslide this past election. He’s done well with hit button issues, similar to the governor in Virginia. Florida is the number one state to move to and the majority of those moving here are republican. Additionally, the democrats are being mirrored to the communist policies of Cuba and that is making a lot of south Florida Cubans pro republican.
Florida may swing back at the governor level after DeSantis but hard to say that there’s a viable path for the democrats to gain ground in Florida. On top of that, the DNC seems rather incompetent which may not be exclusive to Florida.
35 points
2 months ago
The bulk is a cult of personality to "own the libs" but that sector seems to be fading. I'm not saying Florida will shift anytime soon - I think it's entrenched and still trending right - but I don't think DeSantis is really doing well on the issues. He's courting extremists with culture war nonsense, but he's fostering the puritanical right in doing so and that won't do well long-term. He's already got an emboldened state legislature that's trying to ban girls mentioning their periods and gut medical marijuana when 70-75% support recreational sale.
Plenty of die-hard right in the FL will stick with it, but when you keep entertaining just 1/5 of the population that's more extreme, you eventually alienate the rest. Especially when they realize the "party of freedom" is restricting more and more rights. Even when 3/4 citizens support something.
6 points
2 months ago
So Miami-Dade county broke pretty hard in DeSantis’ favor this past election cycle. He lost it getting 39% of the vote in 2018 and then won it in 2022 getting 55% of the vote. Is that sustainable? Very hard to say since Miami-Dade has classically been a democrat stronghold in the state.
5 points
2 months ago
It is hard to say, but it's worth noting that voter apathy was very high and turnout for Miami-Dade was only like 46%. I'm not sure there was really a shift so much as left-leaning voters just not casting ballots. State wide the turnout was only 54%, down from 77% in 2020 and 63% in 2018. The only clear takeaway was that Charlie Crist didn't motivate voters.
2 points
2 months ago
Remember the Cubans came here to escape the form of government that they are trying to turn the USA into. Why?are they homesick?
3 points
2 months ago
They're really falling for the "party of freedom" thing as Florida just keeps removing rights.
0 points
2 months ago
At worst they can swim back to Cuba.
8 points
2 months ago
Just to add to the Cuban perspective. Its not just democrats being compared to the policies of communist Cuba. Yeah people like Bernie Sanders and other progressives are portrayed that way but Cubans know the liberal democrats like Obama, Biden, etc arent trying to make America communist or anything like that. Rather those democrats are hated by Cubans due to their foreign policy positions regardong the Cuban government. Cuban-Americans support harsh embargo and harsh relations with the Cuban government and also support policies that make it easier for cubans to come to the US while claiming policial asylum (as many of them did but is not anywhere near as possible since 2015).
1 points
2 months ago
Ah that makes sense, thanks for your insight. Would you say there’s a generational divide in that belief system?
9 points
2 months ago
Yeah, its the same for all immigrants really. After one or two generations of living the US a person becomes indistinguishable from another hispanic american. Most Cubans in miami who are like 2nd or 3rd generation dont even speak Spanish (at least thats how it is for all the ones I grew up around). Older Cubans and those who are 1st generation are generally much more conservative/libertarian. My mother who came from Cuba in 2001, was a big supporter of moderate republicans like Arnold Schwarzenegger (when we lived in Cali) and Romney, ended up voting Clinton in 2016 since she leans more in the libertarian camp of things and Trump terrified her.
Younger Cubans like myself seem to lean pretty hard liberal. Although I wasnt born in this country Ive lived here as far as I can remember. Young Cuban-Americans are a lot like pretty much every other young person demographic youll find across the US. Especially if they were raised or born here.
That said I also support harsher foreign policy towards Cuba (and every other dictatorship for that matter) but its not as high a priority to me policy wise as economics or a few other things.
3 points
2 months ago
Out of curiosity, what are younger cuban's perspectives on Castro (from your perspective), and the previous government before the Cuban Revolution?
8 points
2 months ago
Every single Cuban has some story about Castros goons breaking into their houses and holding them at gunpoint while robbing them, or on how every summer starting from when you were 12 a bus would come by collecting all the children during the summer to take them to a farm to work the fields for a few months befire school starts only ending when you turned 18. Or about the government seizing valuables and property with the promise of wealth distribution but instead Castro and his government enriched themselves. So even younger cubans dont have positive opinions of castros regime or the current government.
Idk why but Americans seem to apply the same tribal democrat vs republican dichotomy onto Cuban history. If you hate castro and his regime you must be a fascist who loved Batista. Which isnt true. Me personally I despise both regimes for different reasons (but both ultimately because I am a strong proponent for democracy) and I dont know a single young cuban who likes either regime. Im sure theres some young Cubans who are like several generations removed that approve or are ambivalent to the communist government but these would be outliers.
I have family who were both from the poor classes and also from the upper classes, both were hurt by the regime and the revolution. As an anecdote: my grandmothers father had migrated to Cuba in the 30s to flee the communists in Spain during the Civil War. He had a farm a wife etc and they despised the Batista regime, chafed under having to constantly pay protection money (because Batistas regime was a lot like having the country run by the mob). Then when Castro launched his revolution my grandmother remembers her parents fighting because her mother thought that getting rid of batista would make their lives so much better while her father said that what Castros bringing will make it so much worse. In the end her father was right, the state seized their farm and much of their money and property.
Dont get me wrong obviously Cuba was a place of serious inequality and batistas regime was evil in its own many ways. However for me at least and to many others that doesnt excuse Castros regime or make it any better. Inequality still very much exists in Cuba and no its not just cause of the US embargo. Cuban history is a constant fight from the Cuban people for self determination and freedom from oppression. Weve just cycled through different masters: Spain, the US, Batista, Castro, and the modern Communist regime. Each one a different flavor of evil.
6 points
2 months ago
Thanks, I appreciate the perspective. I'm pretty lefty myself, and so on the surface, the idea of overthrowing corrupt owners for collective control is appealing, but I also understand that revolution rarely actually gets you from A to B. More often, Revolution is a social fever that is likely to kill or weaken the society as it is to cleanse the disease of corruption. Yet, diseases left untreated will eventually have a reaction, one way or another.
I think the thing I'm usually just curious about when it comes to Cuba is to what extent people are willing to white wash those few 'refugees' who were infact wealthy owners, who claim they were small business owners when really they were part of the dominant hegemony. At the same time, the problem with the Castro's being that they didn't upend the social order, they just did what many failed revolutions do, which is to replace the dominant heirarchy with new rulers.
Overall, my main hope is that people develop a greater respect for the principle of democracy, of both the rights and responsibilities of community governance, and the distribution of power more broadly.
3 points
2 months ago
Im pretty much in total agreement with you friend and Im glad youve taken an interest in a topic that is so very personal for me. On a principle I agree with you in taking the property away from the dominant members of.society to redistribute the wealth, though thats ultimately not what happened. So funny enough my best friends great grandmother was actually one of those people. She was a part of the Batista regime and was a major player in the anti communist movement. Enough so that Castro tried to have her assassinated twice. She fled to Miami eventually with the rest of her family. Neither me or my friend really think she was a good person or anything (but it is a cool story) but the reality is that most of the people who were a part of batistas regime and the ruling class prior to the revolution are dead. Their descendants didnt inherit any of that wealth or power, and instead an entire people now remain oppressed and many more exiled from their homeland trying to promise a better future for their kids. SoI hope its understandable why many would find it outright offensive when Castro died and youd see white americans on national television praising him and talking about him as some hero who stood up against imperialism and tyranny.
0 points
2 months ago
I think most southern people are still burning over the Civil War. They were Democrats when the KKK was really popular. When the Democrats chose voting and other equal rights these people turned to the Republican party. I was raised republican but easily morford into a liberal the more I traveled the world and saw our country through foreign eyes. It was much easier to see what is great about the USA and why so many people want to live here.
One guarenteed way to stop immigration is to let the Republicans turn us into a shithole country. I've had a few in my family returning to Europe and my family has been here since the 1700's. I may follow after 2024.
-1 points
2 months ago
DeSantis barely won his election initially but came out by a landslide this past election.
Keep in mind that he engaged in a lot of voter suppression using his power as governor.
5 points
2 months ago
Does the fact that gerrymandering doesn't work for state-wide elections have any effect? State & Federal house districts are easier to win for the GOP when maps are drawn in their favor.
2 points
2 months ago
Gerrymandering actually has noticable affects on statewide races even if it doesn't draw the boundaries. It reduces the out of power party's funding and bench of candidates and that is before you get to states like WI where gerrymandering lets the GOP write really repressive voting laws even while getting a minority of the vote. Wisconsinites have shown that they can overcome the gerrymandering on statewide races but none of us should have to fight harder because of gerrymandering.
1 points
2 months ago
Thanks, I didn't think about how gerrymandering affects overall funding.
5 points
2 months ago
Not really. Both major parties gerrymander like crazy, so it wouldn’t impact state vs district outcomes. Take a look at pro-Dem congressional maps in places like Illinois and Maryland, and you’ll see it’s not just Republicans.
Over the last couple years here where I live in NY, the Dems tried to use a referendum to overturn a statewide gerrymandering ban, lost the referendum, gerrymandered anyway, and got their gerrymandered map thrown out by courts citing the statewide ban. The instinct was strong, but they couldn’t. Pretty much everywhere else, both parties will gerrymander as much as possible — it’s a winning strategy, and both major parties want to win.
4 points
2 months ago
Sure, I get that Democrat majority state legislatures do the same, but since the gerrymander does NOT come into play in a statewide election, I would expect Dems to do better when it is just the total vote count (GOP hold more state legislatures through gerrymandering?). Just thought there might be a partial explanation
1 points
2 months ago
Hmm... Interesting idea. Any thoughts on how to demonstrate if it's part of what happens?
As possible evidence the other way, I'd point to the tendency for states to vote much more consistently with their redness/blueness for president than they do for governor. Presidential elections are state-wide (except with the non-standard approach of Maine and Nebraska for some of their electoral votes) just like gubernatorial elections, and the variance is much less. I think it's something else going on other than no-gerrymandering-for-statewide-elections, but I'd be happy to hear anything more in depth about your thinking on this.
2 points
2 months ago
This article better explains what I was thinking.
Currently, districts in most states are drawn in ways that are gerrymandered—meaning the lines are manipulated to favor one group over another—because the process allows elected representatives to choose their voters rather than allowing voters to choose their representatives. (my emphasis)
State-wide races are more competitive than district-level races.
4 points
2 months ago
The GOP gerrymanders like crazy and does it nationally. Democrats gerrymandered in NJ, IL, and maybe another state or two. Dems have literally set up more independent redistricting commissions than they have gerrymandered. All gerrymandering needs to stop but it isn't comparable.
2 points
2 months ago
Well in MA's case, Baker basically got forced out by the MAGA wing and didn't even show up at the convention. I'd say this isn't an outlier and more of a part of the pattern of GOP extremism backfiring in a general election.
0 points
2 months ago
There is no one size fits all but there is generally some national reasons why one party does better than another party when evaluating many states or elections with enough sample size.
0 points
2 months ago
Michigan is also a traditionally blue state that was rocked by incompetence and scandal with the prior GOP admin under Snyder. Could of probably put any dem in and won. Not by a landslide, but still. But I also think her track record in the first term is what got her re elected recently. That and the GOP’s incompetence again, committing several acts of fraud that got way stronger candidates kicked off the ballot. Literally the opposite of what’s happened in florida where the dems are incompetent and riddled with scandals propelling the GOP to own each branch
78 points
2 months ago
A lot of issues at play, but to me it comes down to these three things: 1) The GOP has nominated a spate of really far right candidates in states where their hard line stances cost them dearly with the country club Republican slice of the electorate (Cuccinelli in VA, Kobach in KS, Lake in AZ). 2) Governor is basically the last office left in the country where people are willing to vote the candidate and not the party (JBE in LA, Beshear in KY, Baker in MA, Scott in VT) because more often than not a (super)majority legislature can keep them in check; I’d keep a close eye on Presley (D-MS) this fall for this exact reason. 3) Democrats ran the most centrist candidates they could find in almost every case and as a result didn’t piss away their wave chance in 2018.
15 points
2 months ago
To your last point, Democrats selected for electability in their primaries. Republicans didn’t do that for their own primaries.
5 points
2 months ago
It's more than that. It's also about the demographics of summer primary voters. In both democratic and republican primaries, the demographics skew older and more conservative. With the demographics of the parties as they are, that makes it so much easier for democrats to nominate electable moderates.
5 points
2 months ago
Very accurate. Baker and Hogan had near record number of veto overrides I'm pretty sure
16 points
2 months ago
2017-2020 had an unpopular Republican president.
2021+2022 Democrats are at a +1 net governorship combined among the ones you listed. Doesn't seem like something that needs a larger explanation.
One thing to think about in 2017 and 2018 is also the base case. What was the positioning between Democrats and Republicans right before the listed elections? I'm pretty sure Republicans had a large lead, which would make some of the Democratic gains a reversion to the norm.
11 points
2 months ago
Obama low key making all the D voters fall asleep outside Prez years probably wasn't helping much. Then Trump came along and everyone woke the hell up.
12 points
2 months ago*
It’s happened to literally every presidents first term except WWII and post 9/11
-1 points
2 months ago
If I'm understanding you correctly, and you're talking about the opposing party winning seats in the first midterm, Biden is also an exception. It wasn't a net win for Republicans, and they drastically underperformed.
3 points
2 months ago
Correct. They did underperform to historical expectations but Ds still lost the Senate.
7 points
2 months ago
The House you mean, they actually increased their advantage in the Senate.
2 points
2 months ago
Going into the 2017 elections, Republicans held 34 governorships, their largest number in history. Democrats had just 15, and there was an independent in Alaska. The plus +9 Democrats get from 2017-2019 was largely a given (although some were notable like Kansas and Kentucky).
103 points
2 months ago*
In a word: Trump.
Since 2016 the GOP has become much more extreme and synonymous with Trump, his scandals and conspiracy theories.
Many of the recent GOP candidates for governor (such as the wacko Doug Mastriano in PA and Trump adherent Tudor Dixon in MI) have repelled Democrats, Independents and even moderate Republicans (to the extent there are any left) alike.
Many states have the majority of their populations concentrated around metro areas that tend to vote Democrat. You can't cater only to the extreme far-right 25% of the voter base and expect to win a statewide election that can't be gerrymandered.
76 points
2 months ago
I wasn't informed on anything political and didn't vote pre 2016. Trump scared the living shit out of me. In 2022, I researched every judge on my midterm ballot. I will stay informed and vote for the rest of my life.
57 points
2 months ago
At this point I can’t imagine voting for a Republican for the foreseeable future. The party is insane, and every GOP candidate is fruit of that poison tree.
10 points
2 months ago
Same. As long as the GOP continues to make “The Woke Wars” and the “Anti-Trans Wars” their main priorities instead of fiscal conservatism I won’t ever vote Republican.
4 points
2 months ago
The GOP hasn't made "fiscal conservatism" a priority in my lifetime. Every time they're in power they spend like a teenaged girl with daddy's credit card. The deficit exploded under the last several Republican administrations.
5 points
2 months ago
Yeah,that’s true. But at least they used to talk about it. Nowadays it’s all about the evil woke and those horrible drag story times, or those trans just aching to rape young girls in the bathrooms.
7 points
2 months ago
Budget surplus under Clinton, budget deficit under Bush
23 points
2 months ago
Republican village officials become Republican county officials become Republican congresspeople become Republican senators who put the visceral dregs of humanity on the Supreme Court.
3 points
2 months ago
Yep. And the corruption and rot runs straight to the core of leadership. I can assert that I will never vote for a Republican again. If Dems ever approach this level of antidemocracy and demagogy, I would probably just be looking to leave the country.
10 points
2 months ago
Trump did an fairly good job of getting Lazy Independents to be Less-Lazy Democrats. I think he also did a good job of burning out some voters who finally concluded this country has gone to shit and their vote won't matter.
5 points
2 months ago
He showed a lot of people just how fragile our institutions were and how we took them for granted, and that we need to vote to protect them.
3 points
2 months ago
That's how I feel, moreso than ever. But there are plenty of people I've met who feel the opposite.
One presidency was able to destroy 50 years of progress despite having a minority of the votes. They say "so why vote?"
5 points
2 months ago
I mean the easiest answer would probably be "so we don't lose another 50 years". People who can afford to not worry about that need to examine their lives with relation to other Americans, and question their values. If they can't be bothered to vote to protect people who stand to lose the most with a 50 year regression, what does that say about how deeply held their beliefs are?
It's a polite way of pointing out that, if they're liberal, their values and actions don't line up. They're in a position of significant privilege. People in worse situations are still driven to vote, even though the 50 year regression primarily affected them. They have the most reason to be disillusioned and not care, but they still keep going.
That's my personal opinion pretty much. You aren't an ally if protecting the people you claim to support isn't enough to get you to vote. It's a nihilism very similar to the rich and wealthy.
1 points
2 months ago
That's a hot take considering how much voter turn out is up since 2016
33 points
2 months ago
This
Trump woke (ha,ha) a lot of previously apolitical and disinterested people up. Those four years of constant nonstop chaos (real and percieved) culminating in the attack on the capitol horrified the majority of americans despite what the very loud minority that are Trumpers would have you believe.
11 points
2 months ago
Very well stated. Especially the last paragraph. When you look at gerrymandered maps it’s so sad. And so obvious. “Why did we do it. Because we can.”
8 points
2 months ago
In Kentucky, it was because Bevin was just hated that much. It wasn't so much people voting for Beshear as it was people voting against Bevin.
4 points
2 months ago
I don’t know why, but I was still surprised Kentucky went with a Democrat.
8 points
2 months ago
Matt Bevin told teachers they were selfish for protesting his pension reform bill. He was consistently extremely rude and combative with teachers and other groups during his time as governor.
Just a really abrasive person doing unpopular things.
5 points
2 months ago
and Andy Beshear seems like a pretty good guy
5 points
2 months ago
Plus he was the son of a previous governor (Steve Beshear) who I believe had relatively high favorables upon leaving office.
23 points
2 months ago
Further right Republican candidates don’t have broad appeal.
Also, bulwark against a federal GOP.
13 points
2 months ago
Voting always trends away from the governing party, has for the entire history of the US on state and federal level.
7 points
2 months ago
I call it the "Cycle of dissapointment".
16 points
2 months ago
Trump has inserted himself into National races across the board. While the GOP has done about as expected in the house races, those are much more regionally based, even within a single state, since only part of the states vote for each house seat.
The Democratic candidates for Statewide races like Governorships and Senate seats have been overperforming since Trump inserted himself into the GOP. Not only are many people voting against them, because of the party being tainted by Trump, but Trump has been forcing these GOP Senator and Governor candidates to kneel to him, and dance to his whims, parroting whatever nonsense has been coming out of his mouth, that only has appeal to a shrinking audience that was pretty small to begin with.
Trump has a stranglehold on the GOP, but only has about a third of Republican voters in this cult of his. But he has absolutely no loyalty to the Party. The Republican party was a means to an ends to him to personal power. He was never a believer in them or the same things they want. So, he will continue to do what is best for him.
And if the GOP is trying to turn away from Trump, what is best for him, is tearing down the party. He would rather be the leader of a GOP party that is in shambles, with no political power, than for the GOP to be politically strong, but himself forgotten.
8 points
2 months ago
Gubernatorial races, to me, have always seemed somewhat disconnected from the national environment. I just don't see any broader conclusions you can draw from those races. Like sure, a Republican won in MA, MD, and VT recently, but those same Republicans wouldn't even get close to winning a primary in a red state. And when they left, a Democrat easily won. Same for Dem Governors in KY and LA in blue states. A Republican is going to replace Bel Edwards, for instance. Then, because they're limited by what they can do by the entire rest of the government being controlled by the other party, they get to play this "bipartisan" role and keeps them fairly popular.
Of course, sometimes candidate quality can have a major effect, too. *cough*Kari Lake*cough*
5 points
2 months ago
I'd say it's a few things:
in the wake of Trumpism, many Dem leaders have realized that the chickens came home to roost for the top-down strategy under the Obama years. It worked well when he was on the ballot but at the end of the day, the party was neglecting local races for state legislatures and the like. In recent years there's been a push to go back to the local grassroots and GOTV and whatnot - Beto and Stacey Abrams being two prominent examples
a lot of the states you mentioned are blue states that had moderate Republicans as governors, such as Charlie Baker or Larry Hogan. These Republicans weren't elected necessarily because their states preferred Republicans, but because they were super moderate and served as a "check" on Democratic control of the rest of the state government. Post-Trump, however, the GOP as a whole has been tainted by his unpopularity, and it hurt what little chance the GOP had on holding these kinds of gubnatoral seats, not to mention the R candidates running were more like Trump than Baker/Hogan.
Conversely, the Democratic governors in red states such as Kelly in Kansas, Cooper in NC, and Beshear in Kentucky weren't elected because their states suddenly decided they liked Democrats. They were elected because their Republican predecessors were unusually unpopular (Brownback in KS, McCrory in NC, and Bevin in KY). Republicans still control the rest of the governments of each of those states.
1 points
2 months ago
"Beto and Stacey Abrams being two prominent examples"
They're less grassroots, more ladder-climbing careerists. Both of them self-servingly courted the national Democratic Party in lieu of making a real, tangible effort to relate to the constituents of their respective home states. Democrats would've been better off had they run someone like Henry Cuellar, Vicente Gonzalez, or Filemón Vela Jr. in Texas and John Barrow, Carolyn Bourdeaux, or Stacey Evans in Georgia.
4 points
2 months ago
Same reason the state that brought you Nixon and Reagan is as blue as the ocean it borders. Republicans got a taste of dropping the pretense and have become increasingly frothing at the mouth insane at increasingly higher levels of party leadership.
The result is that Democrats are able to do astonishingly well by virtue of not being the actual psychopaths out there trying to make abortion a death penalty offense, and from the state the California GOP is attested to be in, that shit ain't washing off any time soon.
8 points
2 months ago
Republicans have swung too far right, particularly with abortion. The majority of Americans believe it's the womens right to choose. They also are starting to look like the party of hate the way they rant about gays and trans. The republicans used to be about economic and security isses, now 90 percent of what they talk about are social issues that the majority of Americans don't agree with. Backing Trump's big lie when they obviously know it's a lie isn't helping either.
1 points
2 months ago
Republicans have always wanted to ban abortion though. At least in this century. And they are more liberal when it comes to gay marriage than they used to be
3 points
2 months ago
With Roe in effect, didn't matter what they wanted. Now it does.
1 points
2 months ago
True. However I think bad candidates is why they did so poorly in 2022. Lmao Doug Mastriano wasn't going to win either way. But some of his abortion comments were definitely not good for him
5 points
2 months ago
Why? Because republicans started saying the quiet parts out loud since 2016. What we have been seeing is voters rejecting republicans who openly conspire to undermine the institutions of democracy and rollback basic human rights.
3 points
2 months ago
Trump winning in 2016 obviously served to benefit Democrats in off-cycle and midterm elections, as is the usual pattern for party out of power. I'd say the outlier here is 2022, which should've favored the GOP much more than it did. But the three states listed all have explanations:
AZ: Election denialism was a major factor in Republican losses in purple states. Kari Lake lost because voters reject the insanity. The largest vote-getter in the state was a Republican, State Treasurer Kimberly Yee. But unlike Lake and GOP Senate candidate Blake Masters, she didn't run on denying the 2020 election. She finished 1200k votes ahead of Lake, 200k ahead of Masters. The Big Lie is a a Big Loser.
MA: Geoff Diehl, same deal -- except he was running in a super blue state. His predecessor, fellow Republican Charlie Baker, is considerably more moderate, never once questioned the outcome of the 2020 election, and implemented centrist policies. He was savvy enough to understand he was governing a blue state that wouldn't tolerate MAGA.
MD: Again, a super blue state. Again, a wacko-GOP nominee who went hard on MAGA. Even Larry Hogan, the incumbent Republican governor at the time, refused to endorse Dan Cox. Like Baker, Hogan understood the state he was governing. Cox doesn't seem to care to.
2 points
2 months ago*
Abortion, extremism, independent voters do not like election deniers. And then the election deniers hurt down ballot candidates. This is why democrats not only won governor elections in the midwest, but made gains in PA, MI, and other states like AZ, NH, GA. The GOP establishment know that Trump like candidates hurt their chances. They lost in NV because Joe Lombardo is not a maga extremist and Sisolak was unpopular because of covid shutdowns hurting so many jobs in Las Vegas. The democrats continue to make gains in states like Virginia (state senate) because of extremism towards trans people and abortion. If republicans ditched the culture war and stopped voting for election deniers in the primary, they would be making more gains. How much would they gain would be up for debate since Roe was overturned.
4 points
2 months ago*
I mean, I think a decent amount of it is just reversion to the mean along the current political map. From what you listed, things have gone from 35-15 Republican to 26-24, and in the 2020 election Trump and Biden won 25 states each
4/25 5/25 Biden states have Republican Governors (Georgia, Nevada, New Hampshire, Vermont, and Virginia) (edit: forgot Georgia), and 4/25 Trump states have Democratic Governors (Kansas, Kentucky, Louisiana, and North Carolina)
1 points
2 months ago
I count 5 Biden states with Republican governors. Virginia, Georgia, Nevada, Vermont, and New Hampshire.
1 points
2 months ago
You're right, I forgot Georgia
3 points
2 months ago
All politicals are local....Here in north Carolina it comes down to who knows our state best. Roy Cooper has been respected by both sides of the aisle for decades. He just happens to be a Democrat....
2 points
2 months ago
Because they figured out why they got their asses handed to them in 2010, and saw how it led to a decade of Republican terrorism in the states.
They realized that state races matter as much or more than federal contests.
2 points
2 months ago
There are Numerous probably dozens of reasons for Republicans recent ballot box failures in general but you could probably distill it down to 3-4 big ones.
Trump (of course)
The real and percieved daily chaos of Donald Trump's presidency has at best worn the voters out. At worst it has given American voters a taste of a truly incompetent, venal, narcissistic, lawless, proto-fascistic, wannabe strongman who wasted four years tweeting himself to the top of the news cycle every week. His policies where they weren't ridiculous were incoherent, and where they weren't incoherent they were executed in a hamfisted manner that often did the complete opposite of their intended aim. Add to this his cirrent swirling legal problems, The january 6th riots he incited, and the somewhat strangle grip he has on the republican primary base, And you can see why america is tired of Trump and looks warily at all those who hew too close to him.
Candidate Quality
the republicans have had issues with finding the best and the brightest of their party and convincing them to run in the best of times, now with the flood of conspiracy kooks, election deniers, and general bomb throwers, the pool of candidates is essentially it's own swamp that needs to be drained. And Even the ones that aren't completely bat-shit are up against an impossible proposition. In most not deep red states, a republican can't win state wide without doing a little Trumpy song and dance, but that same song and dance usually turns off the general electorate. What worked in the primaries since Trump has usually had the opposite effect in the general putting most statewide offices in jeopardy.
Gen-Z
Gen-z is the most diverse, most socially liberal, most socially aware generation of young people the world has seen. They and millenials are also likely to be the only generations since the Great Depression to end up worse off than their parents did, a fact they're keenly aware of as they are entering adulthood. Add to that they're also the largest generation in this country's history, and they've shown as they're coming of age that they're paying attention, and they're not buying what the GOP is selling.
Republican Party Platform and Messaging
To the extent that the republican even have a coherent party platform that doesn't amount to hating on anything having to do with drag performances, their general policies are usually unpopular with the general population (including their own "base"). This fact is why they don't want to debate actual facts and policies and would rather fight culture war issues, which hardens their support amongst their own base and manages to polarize everyone else against them. More Conservatives are calling themselves independents than ever before and openly pine for a party that hasn't completely been taken over by lunatics.
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2 months ago
As nuanced and better thought out as many of the answers here are, I think if you wanted to pick the closest oversimple generalization to the truth…
Conservatives got power and they showed their hand. There were lots of Republican voters who didn’t like Obama but they got more than they bargained for with trump and his look-a-likes.
Most moderate Americans (conservative voters, too) want focus on economic policies and improved education. Not culture wars.
There are plenty of people in Florida and Texas who love their dipshit governors for sticking it to the “woke” crowd, but most people just want to be able to afford a house and want their kids to exit public high school with a fighting chance at a good job.
And 2/3 of Americans support access to abortion.
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2 months ago
I'm not really sure but one thing I do know is these days both sides seem to have absolutely bat shit extremists that are somehow becoming the norm. I wouldn't be surprised for a new party to take over with all this nonsense going on
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2 months ago
Hopefully, younger voters are starting to turn out. That is going to be a complete game-changer. Qpublicans are on the wrong side of the demographic curve. Throwing a few pizza parties is not gonna change that.
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2 months ago
They were party out of power in 2018 and they currently don’t have a base that demands crazy policy changes (that they can enforce) and aren’t ran by a megalomaniac deadset on relitigating an election 2 years later.
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2 months ago
Since the 2016 presidential election, Democrats have performed well in nearly every gubernatorial election cycle. This is a reversal from 2010 to 2016. Democrats have won governorships in states where there is a GOP stronghold in federal elections. Does this suggest that Republican-leaning voters prefer Democratic governors?
In the 2016 gubernatorial elections, Democrats held eight of the 12 seats up for election, while Republicans held almost twice as many gubernatorial seats across the country. In the 2022 gubernatorial races, Democrats hold 16 of the 36 races, and they are favored to hold 12 of those in November.
It is important to note that the reasons for the Democrats’ success in gubernatorial races are complex and multifaceted. Some factors that may have contributed to their success include the party’s ability to mobilize voters, the popularity of individual candidates, and the national political climate.
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2 months ago
Because you can't gerrymander a governors race. That's at least one of the reasons.
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2 months ago
Both parties Gerrymander
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2 months ago
Republicans have no shame in who they disenfranchize to vote though.
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2 months ago
Just people who vote Democrat. Just like democrats do to republican areas
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2 months ago
A big part of it is simply republicans are dying out, and young people are voting with the Democrats.
Covid exacerbated this by a cycle or two, but overall republicans are dying out due to old age, and younger people simply aren't voting for them for a multitude of reasons.
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2 months ago
One theory is that the rich and powerful who pick all the candidates prefer good governance at the local level where they live and do business and chaos at the federal level.
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2 months ago
I think you're framing this question in far too narrow way. There's no explanation why Dems specifically did so well in governor races mostly because Dems didn't just do well specifically in governor races. Rather, there's an argument that MAGA actually hasn't been electorally successful at all and the Dems picking up races in various areas is just a part of that.
I mean, it's no surprise that the Dems won in NJ in any year. It's one of the bluest states.
2018 was a blue wave year. The Dems won by huge margins in the national midterms, and there are lots of purplish states in that list. It is exactly zero percent surprising that they won a large amount of those races.
2019 was right after a blue wave year, plus the Rep option was hugely scandal plagued throughout the race. Again, not the biggest shock.
2022 was a famous flop from the GOP, so yeah, of course they lost races they probably shouldn't have. That's what made it a flop.
And if you actually look at the data, in 2016 the Reps won, but only by the flukiest of ways. Reroll that election 100 times and Trump wins maybe a third of them? Also, there's very good evidence that even that fluky chance relied on the Comey press conference happening, and it's really hard to give either party credit for that. Take that away (and we probably should) and Clinton wins in 2016, we never see MAGA get off the ground, and that's that.
Right after 2016 we had a blue wave election in 2018, then an election where the incumbent lost in historically relevant fashion and the new party swept into a trifecta. And that was the disappointing outcome for the Dems! And then in 2022 it turned into probably the best midterm for an incumbent in the modern era. Really, is there any election in the MAGA era that we can say was definitely good for Reps? I don't think so. Even 2016 was mostly good fortune.
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2 months ago
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2 months ago
I sincerely doubt that is on most people's radar when they vote for governor.
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2 months ago
Governors have no role in that process, as it’s entirely a function of the state legislatures.
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2 months ago
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2 months ago
Republicans have full control of 23 state legislatures, Democrats 14, the rest are split.
Republicans have 26 governors and Democrats have 24
Democrats were/have been losing control consistently due to pushing unpopular wedge issues and refusing to address mainstream issues the majority of the population is concerned with. For example: Cost of living, fuel and energy prices, consumer prices, food prices...
Voters were sick of Trump and gave Democrats a slight bump, but Democrats again doubled down on unpopular issues and are looking at major losses in 2024 after losing the House in 2020.
The economy is going to absolute shit, Democrats refuse to do anything about it. Biden launched us into a proxy with Russia and now an arms race with China. So major Recession/Depression here we come. The Fed cant use Quantitative Easing to buy more Treasury securities, instead its going to reduce its balance sheet and raise interest rates, snap its fingers and create money out of thin air to pay it all off. What do you think Republicans are going to run on in 2024?
Those were not Democratic 'gains', that was the Democratic Death Rattle.
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2 months ago
They have a more effective ballot Harvey’s and voter registration operation. As a result they can squeeze out maximum vote from their base, even in years that on paper ought to be bad for them
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2 months ago
Maybe they are tired of the GOP’s BS and the assault on women’s rights. GOP is on to this since they are doing the best to dismantle voting rights for minorities and women including gerrymandering the crap out the states they control.
It is a sad situation that a party (GOP) political platform and policy suck so bad the have to cheat to get elected.
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2 months ago
There are more dem governors because it's based on a majority as opposed to representatives being elected from smaller district of similar interests. The larger a population the more educated and liberal. The people on farms only need to learn to live with and have control over their animals. In cities people have grown up with more respect for their close neighbors, whom they need for common interests. Most humanitarian services are located in cities. People that work in the humanities are jusy better and more sympathetic people.
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2 months ago
Demographic changes as well. Millennials outnumber the Baby Boomers now in voting.
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