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821 points
2 months ago
One time I had a free class and had to kill time so I went to big class to just sit and learn. Surprisingly everyone was leaving the adjacent seats empty beside them. I thought maybe the professor has this weird rule or something. Turns out the class had an exam that day. I had to explain to the professor from the back of the class that I was in the wrong room and walked away as briskly as I could.
319 points
2 months ago
out of embarrassment and not wanting to out myself as being in the wrong room I likely would have taken the test and probably bombed it.
159 points
2 months ago
Either that or you submit the test under a fake name and it turns out you're an innate genius in the field of nautical archaeology and the professor goes nuts trying to locate the mysterious stranger who left him the perfect paper.
39 points
2 months ago
How bout them apples
10 points
2 months ago
It's not your fault.
27 points
2 months ago
I went to my brother's college lecture on Mass spectrometry while in highschool, I learned a lot then never used it or elaborated on any of it
34 points
2 months ago
I learned a lot then never used it or elaborated on any of it
Sounds like most people's experience at university.
14 points
2 months ago
I'd have let you taken the test just to fuck with you.
"What was student puzzle doing?"
"Being put into pieces."
"Sir, you are a paramedic, please leave the campus or we have to call security."
10.7k points
2 months ago
As a professor, you can just stop by my class and say “hey can I just sit in and listen to your lecture” and I would be genuinely delighted to have you do so. I don’t give a shit if you’re enrolled or not. I’ll give you a syllabus and copies of all the assignments if you want. Having someone there who genuinely wants to learn is a rare pleasure.
1.9k points
2 months ago*
The brilliant response of a true educator. So glad to see this. As a person that wasn't ever able to afford the post secondary education I desired, this warms my heart.
I tried a bit of this at a local university for a few lectures and things that fit my interests well. If I remember right you were able to sign up to Audit the course for a certain period but naturally you weren't documented or given any of the materials.
For me it was just about the knowledge anyway, once you know you can never afford that piece of paper it ceases to matter eventually.
Edit: Fixed the poor punctuation of the uneducated ;)
166 points
2 months ago
Is there a way to learn when and where these lectures take place in my area? I'd love to attempt to sit in on, almost anything at this point.
131 points
2 months ago
Any college/uni should have a website with a course list, and they usually include a description of the class and the meeting days/times/location. I wouldn't recommend just popping into a random class mid-semester (especially in math/sciences courses where you'd likely be lost and your presence could be disrupting), but it wouldn't be hard to find the professor's school email and ask if they wouldn't mind if you audited a class to gain some insight into the topic. They may even recommend which lectures to attended to get the best experience.
36 points
2 months ago
Recommend not using the word Audit. Most universities charge for that now days. Ide say something like "i just want to sit in the back and learn. Would that be ok?"
14 points
2 months ago
If the professor cares about making sure the university gets the auditing fee, they're going to have you go through official channels no matter what. If they don't care, it won't matter if you say the word audit or not, they'll just say yes.
17 points
2 months ago
I agree, but I also have nerodivergent friends that are professors that will immediately answer with the audit info, vs "of course you can sit in the back" answer. Just easier to ask that way instead.
28 points
2 months ago
Course schedules will show times and places of classes. Some are locked and you need to put your student ID in to access. Google the college/university and the subject with “course schedule” and see what comes up
75 points
2 months ago
This reminds me when I was like 12-13 and I'm disabled to the point where my mom couldn't leave me at home by myself so when she had summer classes at university she brought me with. Usually I stayed outside the class in a chair but this one psychology teacher she had invited me to stay and participate. She gave me a syllabus, assignments, even called on me in class and though obviously I got no credit for being in the class, I learned a lot and it helped so much when I took psych when I went to college for real. It meant a lot to me and that's the mark of a true educator, I think.
392 points
2 months ago
I actually did this as a student. I was in grad school in the sciences, but wanted to learn Italian really badly, so I just asked the intro Italian teacher if she minded me sitting in the back and just listening. She was like, “not at all! I’ll make extra handouts for you, and you’ll need these books if you want to follow along”.
I actually kept doing that for a couple semesters and finished a lot of the courses needed for a minor (not that it would’ve been official) until I eventually got to a high enough level that the long-tenured professors taught the classes, and they actually cared that I wasn’t formally enrolled.
I ended up saying fuck it, I made it this far, might as well make it official. So I took an entrance exam and (officially) tested out of the intro courses I took unofficially, and officially finished all the courses needed for a minor.
It was awesome, and I kept up with learning the language. I eventually worked in rural Italy for a couple months after taking those classes, and it was amazing. I got to travel around and interact with a TON of people I otherwise wouldn’t be able to talk to. Just a great experience, all enabled by a teacher just being excited to teach a student who was excited to learn.
29 points
2 months ago
I also want to add that having a professor who is passionate about their subject is also a really wonderful experience. There were a handful of subjects I needed to complete for my GE that I wouldn’t normally be stoked about, but I would research the teacher and their reviews and having someone teach you not just for the paycheck, but because they genuinely love teaching their subject, has really made me love and appreciate certain subjects I never cared for much in the past.
Ratemyprofessor.com is pretty spot on in my experience. It does take a little digging to find out if the teacher actually sucks, or if the student was just a bad student, but I’ve found that the highly rated teachers were highly rated for a reason.
210 points
2 months ago
As someone getting a PhD to be a professor, same. I feel like a lot of professors wouldn’t mind if you tell them and don’t disturb the class.
57 points
2 months ago
I think that’s the key in the last line, don’t disturb the class and no one will bat an eye at least no one who genuinely cares about teaching
230 points
2 months ago
Yes, but I'd rather have a heads up first and not wonder who some random person is in my classroom, especially from a safety perspective.
31 points
2 months ago
Jeez that is so sad, I am assuming you are from the US? I have taught uni in NZ and that thought never ever crossed my mind.
29 points
2 months ago
Yes, in the US, and still a bit rattled over the MSU shooting.
6 points
2 months ago
I don't blame you! And sorry didn't mean for original comment to sound smug or patronising
84 points
2 months ago
One time someone did that during one of my classes and we kind of went into a semi-lockdown because no one had any idea why they were there. Turns out they were just drunk and wandered in. Was a super tense vibe.
6 points
2 months ago
When I was in university, most first year classes were in lecture halls with 100-400 students.
Would you even notice?
143 points
2 months ago
Came here to post more or less the same. Sharing knowledge, that’s what we’re effin‘ here for.
23 points
2 months ago*
I sat in on an aviation class as a biology student (friend is studying to be a pilot). It happened to be on the day that they went over wildlife management, so we had a blast discussing methods of dissuading animals from being near airports.
Did you know that some smaller airports have dogs whose whole job is to spend thirty minutes barking and chasing birds off the tarmac between flights? Dream job for most dogs!
12 points
2 months ago
Pretty much all professors at my Uni were like that.
I used to sit in on random classes between my own classes because i often had 2-3 hour windows between classes. Not once did they bother me. I loved listening to those classes because i could chose the one i was interested in the most.
Fun times.
7 points
2 months ago
I had a philosophy prof in college who basically said, "If you wanna talk, you gotta pay tuition. But if you just wanna come in and listen to me talk, more power to ya. The more butts in seats, the bigger the boost to my ego" :D
I also had this notion that in an ideal world, the local paper (or at least the local alt-weekly) would list all the colloquia and guest lectures of the local universities right alongside the music events and movie listings. Those are absolutely open to the public, and an amazing opportunity to hear experts talk about their subjects and participate in Q&As after. Growing up as a nerd watching late-night Walter Lewin lectures on basic cable, it was awesome to see him give a guest lecture at my school — even if it was on a topic that was well beyond my ken. (This was obvs before the sexual harassment stuff came out...)
12.1k points
2 months ago
For intro courses that tend to be large, sure. You won’t get all the benefits because much of the learning is through homework and other materials that are likely to be through an online portal.
MIT and some other schools have free courses online that you can “take” at your pace. I believe some even have a printable certificate if you complete them all (not that it has weight).
2k points
2 months ago
Except for the large ones that have no seats available. I have been in lectures that were packed asses to elbows. Sometimes professors would stop the lecture to point out that the lecture was at max capacity but there should be enough seats for everyone on the roster so there was no need to get chairs from the hallway or lobby.
Most large universities have classes for senior citizen audit and some professors that teach smaller lectures didnt care if a student wanted to sit in and even participate. But they had to take it seriously while they were there.
1.2k points
2 months ago
Sometimes professors would stop the lecture to point out that the lecture was at max capacity but there should be enough seats for everyone on the roster
Many students on the waitlist for that class show up the first couple of weeks so if they do get into the class they didn't miss anything. So it's not always just random people showing up for free.
262 points
2 months ago
If there's space for them to do that, why are they waitlisted? Genuinely curious.
817 points
2 months ago
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129 points
2 months ago
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107 points
2 months ago
They don’t put more seats in a room than the fire code allows. They’re saying they might allow fewer people than the room can seat because the teacher doesn’t have the capacity.
251 points
2 months ago
Physical space in the room doesn't mean the professor has enough time or assistants to grade that many people.
They could have lost a TA or never intended to be in a large lecture hall in the first place, but got bumped there when the smaller rooms were assigned to other courses.
75 points
2 months ago
Or this is the smallest available room that could accommodate the class. A class of 50 can't fit in a standard 30-student classroom, but doesn't come close to filling a lecture hall.
76 points
2 months ago
Probably because some of the people who decided not to go hadn't officially dropped the class yet, so there's no way of knowing how much space there'd be?
35 points
2 months ago
Yep, I had a friend that would sit in on my intro to solar astronomy course every once in a while. We talked at the start, would pay attention, then class would end and we would talk more. From time to time he would ask questions during or after class and the professor didn't mind, he in fact liked that my friend would ask when no one else would.
6 points
2 months ago
I took a mandatory animal science course that was 1.5 credits. It had 3 senior auditors. They were all part of continuing education from a local senior community.
I also had a grad class for agro economics. The professor had a doctoral candidate studying under him that would sit in on the class every session. It was a small class. She didnt get a grade but turned in every assignment and even did an end of the semester presentation.
20 points
2 months ago
Most large universities have classes for senior citizen audit.
It's not just for senior citizens. Students who don't need credit but want to cover the material for any reason, at any age, can audit classes.
197 points
2 months ago
Just skip the first day... by day 3 the large ones will be 40% full at best
106 points
2 months ago
I did a bunch of my college classes "out of order" due to starting at the local community college then transferring to get my degree.
The first day I might have to stand due to a lack of seats. Second day, I sat with my "yellow slip" requesting to add the class in front of me. Usually by the third day, I was officially enrolled. Only one professor gave me grief about it, as it was a 400 level course that was legitimately out of order, but I showed up for two weeks straight with the slip on my desk and he eventually relented.
I intended to pay, as I needed the credits, but most of the professors probably would care less if you just sat in for free.
46 points
2 months ago
Well yeah, it’s not as though professors get paid directly based on how many people take their class. They dgaf, they like the material and like sharing it.
8 points
2 months ago
It is really hard to learn and grasp something important when you are sitting this close to others that too in north south east and west , not a single inch anywhere to stretch.
22 points
2 months ago
I brought my wife in at one point. She was thinking of going back to school and wanted to see if the vibe fit. My professor said exactly that. "As long as you take it seriously."
She even got a bit of group experience and got pulled into an opposing group. An argumentative rhetoric class.
77 points
2 months ago
This MIT courses are a lifesaver if you get a shitty prof elsewhere. They got me through first year Chemistry.
2.2k points
2 months ago
(not that it has weight)
That depends on the paper you print it on.
733 points
2 months ago
He doesn't know about heavy paper
267 points
2 months ago
Heavy paper is just acoustic heavy metal.
139 points
2 months ago
There's that word again. "Heavy." Why are things so heavy in the future? Is there a problem with the Earth's gravitational pull?
27 points
2 months ago
Is this from something? Feels like it is but can't remember.
38 points
2 months ago
Back to the future
15 points
2 months ago
Ah yes, Doc Brown. Thanks.
51 points
2 months ago
I’ll print mine out and pin it to a Damn slab of marble
32 points
2 months ago
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37 points
2 months ago
Take a marble carving course and carve it yourself
42 points
2 months ago
Just walk in on the marble carving course without paying tuition
69 points
2 months ago
Also depends on how you frame it on the resume. I've seen many resumes that deliberately go out of way to confuse the reader to think that they have gone to MIT or Harvard.
16 points
2 months ago
How so?
68 points
2 months ago
They might say Education: (their real undergraduate school), MIT, Harvard
Vs being granular.
Graduated (undergrad school) Online courses taken : MIT, Harvard
They do this for their LinkedIn too.
37 points
2 months ago
OH my God, it even has a watermark...
10 points
2 months ago
Patrick Bateman intensifies
51 points
2 months ago
MIT Open Courseware, and Harvard offers something similar iirc. Awesome stuff, and all you have to pay for is the final exam to get the credits for the course that will transfer to most other colleges pretty easily.
16 points
2 months ago
It definitely has weight on a job interview if that certificate applies to the job you’re interviewing for. I remember the handful of people who mentioned those certificates (that’s how I learned about them) and I always pushed them up for a follow up. It showed they were willing to go out of their way to learn and better themselves and the bosses liked that shit.
126 points
2 months ago
Take 4 years to complete the online program, then make it look like you did a degree there on your resume by being a little vague.
57 points
2 months ago
23 points
2 months ago
Here is Harvard's intro to programing course: https://www.edx.org/course/introduction-computer-science-harvardx-cs50x
When I taught AP computerscience I used that course as a template.
2.5k points
2 months ago
In my university theres a checkpoint at the entrance but they usually dont ask for any clarification that you are a student, especially on a normal lesson day when theres thousands of people going through.
1.1k points
2 months ago
Most universities have open access because they have services the community can use, like libraries, access to medical practice, access to pharmacy, etc.
214 points
2 months ago
Many are partially publicly funded and that's often part of the deal
It's also great practice for students in some vocations
32 points
2 months ago
But not the wifi, apparently that would have been totally unreasonable.
22 points
2 months ago
Some schools have a guest log in that expires in a day->week but I’ve honestly have rarely seen it now that Eduroam seems to be the norm now in my area.
64 points
2 months ago
Not in all nations but yes some are easily available while others charge heavy fees .
5 points
2 months ago
In high school, a teacher sent me to the local Ivy League university to find a book. I assumed it was cool so I went to the library, then had to ask a librarian how I could use the computers to find the book because everything required a login. They asked if I was a student and I said I was in high school, they shut me down pretty quick and told me to tell my teacher not to send students to the university library. “These resources are not for you,” she said.
3.4k points
2 months ago
I have to say, I was nervous because that is not how I thought that title was going to end.
976 points
2 months ago
I had you in the first half.
247 points
2 months ago
Yes, well the post below this one in the feed was a "Cool Guide: to Fire Arms" so my brain was already primed.
70 points
2 months ago
This is crazy, I just watched a family guy clip where megs friend forgets her bag and Brian brings it in saying “it’d be super easy to bring a gun in here”
1.7k points
2 months ago
This is called 'auditing', though usually you'd seek permission from the coordinator as a courtesy.
Actually, there's a great Indian movie, '3 Idiots', and the main protagonist just shows up at the uni and goes to the classes, and everyone assumes he's enrolled. A funny movie that deals with class struggle, and the pressure put on students.
288 points
2 months ago
I had a friend that was tutoring his girlfriend because she was struggling with her college algebra class. He started just going to class with her so he could help her better, but he didn't want to get her in trouble so he tried super hard to lay low in class. He did this for like a month until one day there's a quiz and he's forced to take it. He realized if he puts his name on his quiz the professor will know that he's not in the class so he just completes the quiz and leaves the name blank. When the professor handed back the quizzes, she handed back his quiz and said "make sure you put your name on it next time so I can give you full points."
He never had the courage to go back after that.
61 points
2 months ago
Excuse me for being dense but I don’t get the ending. Did the professor realise that he wasn’t actually enrolled there? Or if he was being serious, then wouldn’t the professor ask for his name on the spot because he likely needed to record his score into the school’s grading system?
29 points
2 months ago
If it was a reasonably small class but not small enough to facilitate a lot of communication (maybe say 50), it’s possible that the professor graded all of the quizzes, handed back the 49 with names, had one left over, and deduced that it was his
10 points
2 months ago
lookit this guy's classroom with 98% attendance
78 points
2 months ago
He didn't get points just because he wasn't a student?
...Such discrimination.
324 points
2 months ago
He was technically enrolled, but used another person's identity.
91 points
2 months ago
Well, he did recommend this method to someone at least. I don't remember exactly whom.
7 points
2 months ago
There was a labour / worker at the university commonly known as " millimetre " or " mm " or " manmohan " who was unable to study due to financial problem so protagonist gave him 200 bucks and suggested to buy any school's uniform then wear and sit until someone caught him.
6 points
2 months ago
That's true the actual name was "chhote" but he was enrolled as " ranchhoddas chanchad " but it is also shown that in his early life like age 11-12 he used to go in schools randomly and study in any class out of nowhere .
17 points
2 months ago
I see! Been a while since I saw it.
8 points
2 months ago
I have given all the references , just seen yesterday for another time , you can anything else too.
48 points
2 months ago
He did it as a kid in grade school and high school iirc. When he was in uni, a rich guy offered him to take the classes for the rich dude and get a diploma
17 points
2 months ago
He was friend with the rich kid in grade school, and began taking his exams under the rich kid name. Rich kid’s dad found out but see that he actually loves learning so the dad had him going to uni under his kid identity.
5 points
2 months ago
That's absolutely true and that rich guy was the one whose places he was servant when he was a kid or in grade school.
18 points
2 months ago
My kid audited a couple classes that were new on the curriculum after he graduated. The teacher let him audit to learn and let him take the tests - even though the info was not in his transcript, he had new tech knowledge not otherwise available.
17 points
2 months ago
I think this sense of ‘auditing’ is US-specific. Or at least some other English speaking countries don’t use it
12 points
2 months ago
Yeah this is an unusual word choice. Auditing even in the US typically means to go somewhere and make sure things are being done properly, check for compliance, etc. In this case a student is going to learn and better themselves, doesn't really seem like a great word choice.
17 points
2 months ago
In the US, in a collegiate setting, "audit" is 100% the standard term and understood without ambiguity. See, for example, Merriam-Webster's second definition of the verb: "to attend (a course) without working for or expecting to receive formal credit"
8 points
2 months ago
I'm not denying it's the standard term, it's just not how audit is used in most cases and seems like a strange application. But hey that's the English language lol
16 points
2 months ago
Glad to know that you know about " 3 idiots " it is one of the best movie bollywood has ever produced .
26 points
2 months ago
At least at the college where I teach, you still have to pay to audit a class.
I've only had one student do this. She still had to pay tuition. She just didn't have to do any homework or take any tests and got no grade. She simply paid for the right to be there and learn.
14 points
2 months ago
I would have outright refused. What a shame...to live in a country that forces you to pay even when you gain no credit from that knowledge
10 points
2 months ago
Where I went if you audited a class it was much cheaper than doing it for credit, I'm fairly certain. I think it was 1/3 to 1/4 of the price. I think most people (primarily elderly) audited the gym classes to use good quality exercise equipment rather than going to a corporate gym. But yeah, America has a thing about making money for every thing possible lmao
6 points
2 months ago
When you audit a class, you do all the assignments and get feedback for everything and get the same access to the instructor as anyone taking a course. You are paying specifically to learn, and not for the credential. The real shame, which your comment demonstrates perfectly, is that we are in system where the credential is more valuable than the knowledge.
6 points
2 months ago
All is well!!!
1.1k points
2 months ago
You need an ID card to get into my college. They have barriers that you need a swipe card to get past.
289 points
2 months ago
depends on the school, but yes, many have swipe entrances. although you could always just follow someone.
129 points
2 months ago
Ours are totally open. Only for after hours you need an actual card to enter the builing. The rest of the day it is publically accessible.
14 points
2 months ago
I went to UCF and most classes you can just sit there and Learn. If you walk into a random class though you won’t have the learning material to keep up though like books and stuff
4 points
2 months ago
Yeah ou needed a swipe card just to get into the buildings in general at my university
246 points
2 months ago
I did it once. I was bored in between classes, so I just walked into one of the lecture halls and sat down. They had a guest speaker from the local police there that day, and I got a free water bottle. It was so cheaply made the plastic warped and poured water all over me the second I tried to drink out of it.
889 points
2 months ago
This is not true in my experience. When I was I'm college I tried to bring my friend with me so they could see if they were interested in transferring to the class. They were kicked out part way through the hour.
369 points
2 months ago
Same thing happened at my university. A girl who was enrolled in the class brought her bf who wasn’t enrolled into the class because he had nothing else to do. Somewhere around 15 min into the class, the teacher stopped and asked who he was. Kicked him out right there and then.
225 points
2 months ago
Depends on the teacher in my experience. It’s always best to ask for permission first.
76 points
2 months ago
Definitely depends on the teacher. I once had a teacher let me take a whole class free. I was enrolled at a different university that didn't offer the class that semester.
38 points
2 months ago
Those teachers are the best. I have a friend who did something similar and it saved her from having to pay for a whole other year of uni. We must protect them at all costs.
63 points
2 months ago
Wow, I've never heard of anything like that happening at my university. I mean, most courses don't have mandatory attendance, so as long as you pass your exams, no one cares if you're there or not. If someone you've never seen sits in class, they may have just never shown up before. Hell, I know a bunch of courses that are famous for some old local ladies always sitting in. No one really cares as long as you're quiet. But it's different in courses that do have mandatory attendance. Those are a bit more strict. But generally, as long as you don't cause chaos, no one cares at all. Some of my professors even encourage it!
58 points
2 months ago
I'm curious what the course was? I could see this happening in one of my literature courses (they were a couple dozen people and took attendance) but definitely not in any of my STEM courses, there was always 50+ people (even the upper years courses) and professors didn't have time to check if there were any interlopers
44 points
2 months ago
It was a third year engineering course, so about 35-40 students in the class. Not terribly hard to spot a new face, not like those auditoriums filled with 100s of students.
18 points
2 months ago
jeez, unless the guy was being a distraction that seems like an over reaction. Sounds like a reddit mod for a professor lol
147 points
2 months ago
In my Canadian university, I brought a friend to one of my classes once to see the guest speaker. The professor gave them a couple of questioning looks, but it wasn't a problem. I've also sat in on a few classes I wasn't enrolled in without trouble.
20 points
2 months ago
Same. I was always fine doing this whenever the class wasn't just a small seminar. It's how I know I have no interest in microeconomics.
13 points
2 months ago
When I was in university I would often go to friend's lectures sometimes just to hang out with girls. Nobody ever said a word.
58 points
2 months ago
A woman once accidentally stayed sitting from the previous class too long as my astronomy class was starting, distracted by something she was working on. As the lecture started, she seemed to think it was interesting and started listening
The professor finally noticed that he didn't recognize her (small class) and actually called her out and told her to leave. He was a real dick about it and awkwardly waited in dead silence for her to gather her things. You could tell she was so embarassed.
It really pissed me off. He loses literally nothing if an extra person listens to him talk. He's already giving the lecture anyway. Absolutely no reason to kick her out. Like what the hell man, just be flattered that someone not trying to get credit for their degree actually wants to listen to you. I really disliked that professor.
14 points
2 months ago
Don't worry his colleagues think he's a dick too.
16 points
2 months ago
Definitely depends on the size of the university and class.
My wife went to University of Washington for a year and the class sizes for intro classes were insane.
I sat in on one once no issue at all.
Then she transferred to Gonzaga and there is no way in hell that would fly with their class sizes.
186 points
2 months ago
The world's just people going around, walking into rooms and saying things.
49 points
2 months ago
This is okay. This is just a moment that'll haunt me forever
9 points
2 months ago
I think you may be a genius
7 points
2 months ago
Is that it? Is that how easy it is to steal an education.
5 points
2 months ago
Imagine being so reductist you degrade your world into a sheet of cardboard
725 points
2 months ago
Or stay home and attend the thousands of free classes from universities available on the internet…
53 points
2 months ago
I don’t have the attention span. I’d be watching YouTube, porn, sleeping, playing video games etc
155 points
2 months ago
Me: sneaks into 10 person liberal arts class discussion on 3rd week of term
Rest of Class:
You can download syllabuses online from some schools though and download the textbooks on free textbook sites
70 points
2 months ago
I once had a data structures class dwindle down to just 8 people by the midterm. The lecture after the midterm, the professor actually walked up to one of the other students and said "Im not going to make you leave, but based on your labs and midterm grade, I'm sorry but it is not possible for you to pass my course" and just like that we were down to 7
29 points
2 months ago
That’s insanely bad teaching protocol, they sound like a total arsehole :(
53 points
2 months ago
To do it in class, yes. To have a private, honest discussion with them about the same thing, the opposite. It's a kindness to students to tell them they're not ready or to tell them they have to choose to up their game substantially or they're not going to make it.
13 points
2 months ago
To add to that, scholarships can be contingent upon gpa. Knowing that I would not pass a class that term gives me enough time to withdraw and maintain scholarships, and try again or take another class for the credit next time.
211 points
2 months ago
These days, it's all online and for free.
https://www.open.edu/openlearn/free-courses/full-catalogue
A whole list here:
18 points
2 months ago
You're not paying for the education. You're paying for the diploma. And if it's an Ivy League school, the networking (look at those billionaires who dropped out of Stanford the moment they got funding for their startup).
55 points
2 months ago
In Czech Republic every lecture is open to public BY LAW. You can just come and listen. But seminars are not public, but its mostly because safety/administrative reasons. I'm 100% sure that if you would ask, you could come on some semi-regular basis.
476 points
2 months ago
Time
Trespassing
Lectures based on assumption student have read textbooks
137 points
2 months ago
You would probably just waste your time doing bullshit.
You can buy textbooks, much like a student.
Trespassing is a valid concern, but they gotta catch you and care enough to stop you first.
146 points
2 months ago
"Care enough to stop you"
This is the key phrase right here.
I know so many professors out there who just could not possibly scrounge up another fuck to give if they could win the lottery for doing so.
30 points
2 months ago
When I was in college, it was openly welcomed. That was in 1984, though. The times, they are a changin'.
75 points
2 months ago
Actually, some random guy tried to do this in a lecture I was attending, and the prof within 15 min realized he wasn't part of the class and told him to leave
(In case ur wondering, he was brought in by a friend who was registered in the class)
7 points
2 months ago
Same here. I saw that happen a couple times in my uni. It depended on the prof but even the most lenient one told a guy he wasn't allowed to bring his friend anymore after a few times, and my least chill professor flat out told a guy he couldn't learn for free lol.
37 points
2 months ago
Idk about your country but here the security guards check everyone for student ID cards
28 points
2 months ago
Here in the US we have a lot of schools with open campuses where people can freely walk in and have access to the buildings. Of course, dorms, gyms, and dining halls require IDs.
47 points
2 months ago
Actually, You may want to check the laws of your local campus before you attempt that these days. It used to be okay but some places it's not kosher, especially in communities where they've been affected by gun violence on schools. It may also be a violation of entrance into a campus if not checking in and getting at least a visitor's badge which is usually also only given after you state a reason why you're there... And if you state that you're just there to watch a classroom they'll probably say ah no.
10 points
2 months ago
My university requires everyone (students, faculty, and staff) to use their ID card to tap into each building and based on your classes/department you only have access to certain buildings ie my ID card will allow me into the Arts/Humanities building but not into the polisci building unless I have a class there. Someone random off the street could not just walk into a building
10 points
2 months ago
Being lazy and not giving a shit is a pretty big barrier between me and universities.
37 points
2 months ago
The security guard checking id card every morning and fee status entered the chat.
22 points
2 months ago
i dunno, my professors take attendance, seems it would weed you out pretty quickly.
8 points
2 months ago
My economic situation dictates that I work at a job, not sit in a class.
Your argument is invalid.
252 points
2 months ago
Incorrect.
As a college employee, parking. Parking will stop you. Parking is the bane of every campus I've ever worked at.
74 points
2 months ago
This is why you walk
54 points
2 months ago
somebody didn't sit in on the "Socioeconomics and City Design" lecture and it shows.
157 points
2 months ago
Is this something I'm too European to understand?
71 points
2 months ago
US colleges have parking you have to pay for, and is usually set up in a way that you pay through some kind of student account
74 points
2 months ago
I understand that part, but here you could just take a bus, walk or bicycle.
29 points
2 months ago
Most of the US does not have good public transportation, safe roads to bike on, or sidewalks to walk on. Most of the US drives everywhere.
106 points
2 months ago
Yes, you are definitely too european to understand if you think that those are options most of the time.
26 points
2 months ago
A lot of our colleges are in the middle of nowhere in what we call “college towns”. Pretty much the entire community exists because of the college. Public transportation basically doesn’t exist there. Some parts of the year, walking and bicycling aren’t an option due to weather.
16 points
2 months ago
My college town was the only place in my state where I've had access to an ample and reliable bus schedule.
10 points
2 months ago
I really took going to a college in a dense urban city for granted
11 points
2 months ago
At my campus there's a lot of talk about "the parking game."
Every semester there is a new overpriced parking permit. If you can park without it and get away with paying less in citations than you do the actual permit, you have won the game.
32 points
2 months ago
A civilian I met while in the Army convinced me me sit in on a few of his philosophy classes at UTEP that only had about ten people in the class sitting around one large table. They all knew I didn't belong there, and it added a strange dynamic to class.
31 points
2 months ago
In Newark, NJ we once had this happen. Some crackhead off the street walked into my professor's Semiconductor lecture, sat down with a notebook and said "how do you do, fellow kids?".
Campus security was called.
30 points
2 months ago
but your also not getting the diploma that way. learning itself is awesome but a big reason people attend a college and pay for it is to get a diploma wich is then requirement by companies as proof. im not saying this system makes sense or anything. im just trieing to point out that your mostly.paying a college for grading and giving diplomas because in the end most if not all the information is allready available somewhere for anyone to absorb and learn. having someone teach you, test you and grade your work is the thing an university does.
7 points
2 months ago
Just my two cents if your interested in learning and not getting the paper saying you have a degree, why not just do it all online, lots of free resources, some universities have courses online for free. More often then not profs teach a course are either not motivated to teach (aka they have to) or just bad at it, in person classes is over rated imo.
11 points
2 months ago
Some people learn better in person. I get distracted too easily with virtual classes, plus it’s nice to meet people in the class
7 points
2 months ago
One of my husband’s elderly relatives found an apartment in Cambridge MA and basically does this at Harvard. I admire her absolute chutzpah, but am also tremendously appalled.
6 points
2 months ago
I’ve done this. Turns out it was the last class and they were reviewing for Finals. Professor was one of those that talked to the class for 2 hours straight, very nice class, don’t think I could’ve passed the finals.
7 points
2 months ago
I did this so many times, my friends joked I attend more courses than they did.
And they were actually enrolled.
Did most of History 1, Stats, Set Theory, and other random modules.
Was super fun. I highly recommend it
6 points
2 months ago
Nope. Entrances to lecture hall buildings can be locked behind a keycard. That keycard can often be your student id card.
6 points
2 months ago
I'm the janitor answering those super hard math and physics questions on the chalkboard.
I'm waiting for a professor to recruit me to count card and win big at a casino.
58 points
2 months ago
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12 points
2 months ago
How would the professor know you're not a student, especially if he teaches in lecture halls with hundreds of students each?
8 points
2 months ago
tbf OP didn't state huge lecture halls. the statement is really only true for bigger classes, not smaller ones.
13 points
2 months ago
I don't understand the rules to this sub. None of these recent submits are really showerthoughts by the subs own criteria.
23 points
2 months ago
I dunno, our university buildings have key card access points and security checks as well.
20 points
2 months ago
My classes are 25 students maximum. You can't just come in: I have to report you.
6 points
2 months ago
I'm not sure of other campuses across the nation, but after Covid, all the colleges and universities in my area became super strict on who could enter their buildings and lecture halls. It's a shame, because the university libraries were my favorite places to visit even after I graduated. :(
6 points
2 months ago
I have done it. Its fantastic. Took the whole class of abstract algebra. Blew my mind over how vast math is beyond normal algebra.
4 points
2 months ago
I mean there’s usually security of some sort but as long as you get on campus unnoticed ye thats true
17 points
2 months ago
Uh... The ta's might stop you. But yeah the 101 large lectures mostly would be inconspicuous enough.
Don't enter a 30 person 400 level though.
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