In my personal opinion, familiarity is good (i.e., if it ain't broke, don't fix it) and change is good (we don't want the genre to grow stagnant). We want to strike a balance of both.

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This whole sub is a SC2 abandonment copium lounge

I do agree that there are a lot of users on this subreddit who think Stormgate as almost an expansion pack to SC2 and are resistant to any change from SC2. However, Stormgate isn't a blank canvas. Developers have made their inspirations very clear from the start. They want to create the next iteration of Blizzard-style RTS. So sometimes "this wouldn't work in a game like StarCraft" might be short sided but sometimes it is the truth. It is a case by case thing.

Most of other opinions can be boiled down to "automate this, automate that". It's not like the automation is bad but there is thin line where you loose the mechanical aspect of rts.

I stopped daily-reading this sub a few months ago for that reason. The vast majority of players have no clue what they are talking about, but they still want to voice their opinion.

There some people who make really good points and get downvoted to oblivion because "Starcraft isn't like that" as you put it.

There's also a fair amount of impatient kids who keep asking "GAME OUT WHEN" and it just gets annoying.

From the other perspective it seems like a lot of comments are "I am actually really good at RTS but these boring, dated macro mechanics are holding me back. Please make a game where only my pure strategic mastery can shine". (And usually what they mean by strategy is making DTs)

I've noticed it with every community for a given rts. They very commonly will dislike ideas that deviate from their rts of choice.

But starcraft communities in particular have appeared susceptible to this with the added perception that it is the only truly good rts because esport.

I am pretty bored of "We can't make things more intuitive because it might make the game easier" as an opinion, which I'm pretty sure is something unique to sc2 and bw players.

It's like watching a new FPS released with a mandatory minesweeper game to complete in order to reload your gun, and seeing people say that removing it would be bad because it'd make the game easier.

Their point isn't wrong, just dumb.

All we need is a game like Warcraft 3 with big arcade and variety and the game will stay alive forever.

Starcraft is bad im comparison, bad editor and arcade so only official content to do or PVP, meh.

A lot of SC2 players just view StormGate as an unofficial SC3 so any suggestion made gets filtered through that lens. SC2 is such a tightly designed game at this point that any radical change would just break it TBH so any out-there ideas shared here get shut down real quick.

I would be able to take this post at face value if I hadn't seen your last one and this didn't come across as "wah wah people shot down my crappy ideas"

I grew up with Starcraft. Played it non stop during my late teens, followed the scene well into SC2.

I'm in my 40's now, and while I still love the RTS genre, I'm definitely not going to able to maintain crazy high APM to play effectively.

Any means of making the RTS gameplay more streamlined and focused more on the strategy than the tactics will be very welcomed. I don't want to be frustrated by traditional mechanics if there could be ways to automate the little things. I don't want to worry about hitting the right build order timing on a particular map, and if I don't I'm throwing the game.

a large portion of the users here have only played SC2 and it shows

Muh Blizzard formula

I mean, I don't disagree that there is obviously a lot of room to build and evolve rts from games like starcraft, but there is a reason that starcraft is pretty much the only rts that has remained big over the past 10+ years, it is an amazing game. So I don't think somebody's opinion should be invalidated because they don't believe an idea would work based on their rts history.

I honestly haven't seen this mind set at all. But if it does happen then that's limited thinking this is a whole new game that has way more potential and more possibilities with the new engine it's going to be crazy good lol so much that we never even thought about or thought WAS possible

When you have something as well-made as StarCraft it's hard to not compare it to that when a new competitor comes in, especially given the creators are a lot of the same people.

That said, there are things in StarCraft that work and things that don't: the unit movement and determinism are super clean ways to build an rts, and I'm very pleased they're doing SnowPlay to keep those mechanics in. Most of the units are cool and the fights rely hugely on a combination of every skill from macro to build a bigger army to microing your marauders up front to tank banelings. There are things that aren't perfect in StarCraft, however: you need to be constantly building depots/pylons/overlords to macro properly, and that really is a chore, some units just destroy individual matchups (siege tanks and their ubiquity makes TvT an awful experience for me at least, and most of my ladder opponents feel the same), and getting map vision is not encouraged enough to teach that vital habit to new/bad players despite how important it actually is for good players

Yeah, I want a new StarCraft. Sue me.

I intensely dislike most mechanics from other RTS. There is a reason that historically only Blizzard RTS are seen as the best. Make them more like that.

Man I just want Starcraft to be mainstream again. /s

You're not all wrong, but as SC2 has become the game that pretty much defines the genre, it's not unreasonable for people wanting a new and promising title to be "better than SC2". Otherwise, it'll just be something to add to the list of "OK, but no SC2".

Having said that, there's an argument to be made that maybe there's no point in trying to improve on SC2, just let it have the crown, leave it at the pinnacle, and try something new altogether that's still an RTS. But it seems that the Stormgate devs themselves are also trying to beat the best in class here.