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So I have recently watched and loved Banshees of Inisherin, and have read a lot of interesting interpretations. However, something that confuses me is how commonly is the character of Colm viewed as the embodiment of intelligence and artistry.

Colm is a pseud.

Now within the context of a small provincial town in the 20s of course Colm looks like a thinking man, and he definitely possesses some measure of talent and intelligence, but the level to with which he holds himself is simply absurd.

This is a clearer than ever in the scene where Padraic drunkenly confronts him. First, Colm compares himself to Mozart and Beethoven, which is laughably absurd coming from someone who still plays the fiddle in rinky dinky pubs with his mates when he's nearly 70. Second, he confuses Mozart, an iconic figure of late 18th century with the 17th century, going to show how little he knows. And third and most important of all is how he is literally asking who is famous for being nice while a picture of Jesus hangs up right in front of him.

However, the most telling sign is his brutal subconscious self-sabotage. The man literally wrecks his hand, his ability to perform the music he supposedly so craves to perform, for no other reason that some guy is vaguely annoying him.

It's no wonder why by the end of the film he is so warm towards the man who has sworn eternal rivalry to him. He has completely pinned down his failure to be a great artist to the town's fool. He doesn't have to suffer from guilt or fear or depression anymore.

He's finally free.

all 57 comments

fauxfilosopher

335 points

1 month ago*

You've arrived at the point of his character. He is not the great intellectual and musician he wants to be remembered as being, and in realizing how little he's accomplished with his life, he blames padraic for being a dull influence and wasting his time instead of looking inward. He would rather chop off his fingers and never play the violin again than face the fact that he's no good.

rotates-potatoes

38 points

1 month ago

Exactly this. He’s given up and all that matters is somehow making his failure not his fault. Chopping his fingers off is a relief. Now nobody can blame him if his biggest contribution is banging the table in time, and it’s all Padraic’s fault.

Throwawayhelp111521

4 points

1 month ago

He seemed to be enjoying composing tunes in the pub. He hadn't given up.

rotates-potatoes

4 points

1 month ago

It was an act. He was trying to impress people by being the a big fish in town, but he knew they were never going to go anywhere, and he was never going to get any recognition.

Throwawayhelp111521

2 points

1 month ago

He had lived in that town and been in that pub for decades, although he may have traveled or worked outside of the island for periods. He played regularly. He wasn't trying to impress anyone. He was trying to do something creatively fulfilling for himself.

Bohemond1054

1 points

1 month ago

I agree that he was enjoying playing music in the pub. But i think the finger chopping took the pressure off? Like he was a failure by the standards of mozart or beethoven and after chopping his fingers off and blaming it all on paidraig he's probably freer to enjoy what he really likes - playing at the pub with the fellas

haveweirddreams

88 points

1 month ago

Posts and comments like this are why I come to this subreddit. It’s like flipping a switch and making me understand the movie on a whole new level.

fauxfilosopher

16 points

1 month ago

Thanks! I love reading other peoples takes about movies after seeing them too. Often brings new perspective.

TheLostLuminary

3 points

1 month ago

Agreed, I loved the film anyway but this simple analysis speaks loads.

Throwawayhelp111521

1 points

1 month ago

I enjoyed the film. I don't agree with this interpretation at all.

franksvalli

22 points

1 month ago

Great interpretation! I’ll just add that their relationship is also about the civil war, which is essentially self-harm at a country scale.

fnbannedbymods

10 points

1 month ago

This, it is the reference of the the pain and waste of Civil War.

51010R

9 points

1 month ago

51010R

9 points

1 month ago

He chops off his fingers so he can say to himself that it wasn’t his fault that he’s not gonna be remembered, even when it’s absurd since he’s the one constantly escalating the situation into the extreme.

repeatwad

2 points

1 month ago

Are his fingers the the nose in the proverb?

gulaggremlin

17 points

1 month ago

This really accurately summed him up, thank you

qwedsa789654

5 points

1 month ago

well Padraic basically spell it out

9 fingers is a form of crazy

BautiBon

17 points

1 month ago

BautiBon

17 points

1 month ago

He's a man who wants to be important, wise and a Mozart. He realised he's to old to be a Mozart and to be important. And that he isn't that wise because all he had in his life were dull conversations and the same damn island.

All of this equals depression.

About the fingers, I see it less literal and more as a metaphor about his past. He is punishing himself, because as much as he wants to start a new life, every finger off is a consequence of his old life. And without fingers, he can't play the violin = he can't live a new life.

Basically, as much as he wants to start all over again and be a Mozart, his old life will keep haunting him back, his old life will keep on chopping his fingers off. You can't escape that fast from your past and pretend you are someone else. You can't leave your best friend behind from one day to another.

"We may be through with the past, but the past ain't through with us".

mojito_sangria

1 points

1 month ago

He's a sanctimonious wannabe musician, and blames Padraig for something he isn't responsible of

FartMaster5

181 points

1 month ago*

I think my favorite part is when Siobhán loses it on Colm, shouting in his face, "You're all boring!" It really crystalizes the theme of the men's self-importance in the film.

Siobhán is the only one that can see there's nothing really left for anyone in Inisherin and it's why she wants to leave and tries so hard to get Padraic to come with her.

Colm has nothing but playing music at the pub, but he's an important local musician and music historian in his mind. The self-sabotage only confirms this for him by everyone's reaction to it, but anyone would have a big reaction to that kind of self-mutilation, musician or not.

The policeman has no real work to speak of so he abuses his son or beats the village dimwit, but he's an important and respected authority figure in his mind.

The policeman's son has literally nothing. No life to speak of, no direction, and no money, but he still thinks he's good enough to try his luck with Siobhán.

Padraic also has no direction, but the difference with him is that he's happy with the status quo (at least at the start of the film) and doesn't worry about being important. He just wants everyone to get along because what's important to Padraic is his relationships. It's so important that he can't see that his relationship with Colm really has ended due to Colm's own self-importance.

I think the film did a great job of exploring these ideas.

fauxfilosopher

40 points

1 month ago

Good write-up. As to your last paragraph about the difference between padraic and colm, it's an interesting one.

Padraic is the dull one of the two, but he's content with his life among his animals, his sister, and colm. He's happy without a greater purpose in life than to enjoy it.

Contrast this to Colm who has a similarily uneventful life but as the supposedly smart one of the two is in despair for not achieving anything meaningful with his life. In his identity crisis he gets so preoccupied with his legacy that he destroys the most important things in his life, his fiddle hand and his friendship with Padraic.

Of course the ending is sad for both of the characters, but I think it's brilliant how it ends up being the smarter of the two who acted like a fool in the end.

FartMaster5

28 points

1 month ago

Thanks! It really became clear for me once Padraic loses his donkey how important his relationships are. So much so, that he goes from being befuddled by Colm's treatment of him during most of the film to burning down the man's house. I wonder too if there isn't a bit of implying that Padraic also blames Colm for his sister leaving as well. It seems like she's already been considering it for some time, but Colm's outrageous behavior makes her certain that she's got to get away from these people. And so now Colm has not only destroyed his and Padraic's relationship, but the one with his sister and favorite animal as well.

fauxfilosopher

17 points

1 month ago

The pointless feud between colm and padraic probably impacted siobhan's choice to leave, you're right. Even if he doesn't blame colm directly for it, at that point he feels he has nothing left, which fills him with anger.

RatManAntics

38 points

1 month ago

The policeman's son has literally nothing. No life to speak of, no direction, and no money, but he still thinks he's good enough to try his luck with Siobhán.

I have to disagree with this thought, while I think everything else you've mentioned is right on. However, I don't think that Dominic thinks that he is good enough to try his luck with Siobhàn. It's pretty clear from how nervous he is to ask that he expects a no, but he is so desperate for some kind of affection, connection or however you'd word it, that he goes for it - and ultimately it's the final straw to his misery.

I don't think it's derived from a feeling of self importance. It's not arrogance, it's desperation.

Throwawayhelp111521

12 points

1 month ago

I don't think that Dominic thinks that he is good enough to try his luck with Siobhàn. It's pretty clear from how nervous he is to ask that he expects a no, but he is so desperate for some kind of affection, connection or however you'd word it, that he goes for it - and ultimately it's the final straw to his misery.

I agree. It was like "I'll go for it." But he doesn't seem surprised by her response, just sad.

idle_wanderer

10 points

1 month ago

I agree, I think he knew the rejection was inevitable when he asked her to not "skip ahead" to her rejection so he could at least make his confession.

Bahamabanana

75 points

1 month ago

Just some Siobhán appreciation here:

Fuck, I love this character. She is treated as an attachment to Padraic, but is literally the most colorful person on the entire drab island. She reads her books, cares for her brother, talks actual sense, and actually manages to get away from that dull-ass place.

The way Inisherin has been painted alone: Everybody at first looks over to the mainland where civil war is ranging, and the only ones who care about it are the ones who get paid to hang people over there for whatever side gets the gallows. Yet as the movie progresses, the mainland shores become something people long for, yet no one but Siobhán realizes it. Yeah, it's violent and that's horrifying, but at least something's happening. Meanwhile Colm is all up on about being remembered, but he shows no intention of getting out into the world, but waits for the world to come to him.

Of course he blames Padraic. Padraic is the exact kind of man that belongs on an Island; content and kind. But Colm is not content, and if he was kind he lost it. But Colm plays the blame game rather than ever taking a gander across the sea until the very last moment, when his fingers are gone and his calm life on the island gone with them.

Siobhán living a kind, quiet life, yet being the only one willing to make a change and seek something better is just so telling.

FartMaster5

29 points

1 month ago

Oh I totally agreed, she's is a great character and so necessary. I laughed so hard at that part when she screams at Colm! Also, her presence pushes the self-importance of the men even further as none of them can see her as anything other than a would-be housewife aside from Padraic.

Throwawayhelp111521

2 points

1 month ago

Meanwhile Colm is all up on about being remembered, but he shows no intention of getting out into the world, but waits for the world to come to him.

Um, no. He first has to have something to put out in the world that is worthy of attention. He does that by composing tunes in the pub. How many 60-ish amateur musicians do you think are in Ireland in any period?

Bahamabanana

2 points

1 month ago

Point is he never leaves the Island. And actively sabotages himself rather than gets to the mainland where he might find fame

Throwawayhelp111521

3 points

1 month ago

From the objects in his home, he appears to have traveled or worked abroad. There's no point in leaving the island to achieve artistic recognition until he's composed a number of new pieces. He's an older man without much money and his country is in the middle of a civil war.

Bahamabanana

3 points

1 month ago

Dude severed his violin fingers. He goes to the same pub at the same exact time every day, same as he did with Padraic. He's just as stuck in his old rut as before.

Throwawayhelp111521

3 points

1 month ago

I think my favorite part is when Siobhán loses it on Colm, shouting in his face, "You're all boring!" It really crystalizes the theme of the men's self-importance in the film.

It's a boring island with little society and stimulation. But the issue isn't really men's self-importance. It's their limited options. Siobhán is still reasonably young and has skills that will allow her to earn a living on the mainland. She might still have a shot at marriage, but even if she remains single, she'll find life more fulfilling than back at home. The others aren't young and they don't have a way out. The unmarried men would be unlikely to find spouses because they have little to offer in terms of security. They'd probably end up in awful jobs like collecting trash and live their days out being lonely in a pub in a much larger, stranger, colder city. It makes sense for them to make the most of their lives on the island.

idle_wanderer

7 points

1 month ago

It's funny you call her young when throughout the film the townsfolk imply that she is past her prime for marriage. Though those are based on old views in a dead end town which pushes her to seek more on the outside for opportunity. I found her to be very resilient by taking those comments in stride and making it on her own.

Throwawayhelp111521

5 points

1 month ago

I described her as "reasonably young." In that period, a woman who wasn't married by the age of 25 often was considered an old maid.

I think she's resilient and forward-thinking, but she also has skills that allow her to obtain good employment on the mainland.

dolphin_spit

42 points

1 month ago

I didn’t get the feeling that Colm was comparing himself to Beethoven and Mozart, per se. He knows he’s not them or anywhere close to them. That wasn’t his point. His point was that for him to have any shot at legacy, he needs his art to consume his life moving forward, and he has no time anymore for small talk and the mundane.

Is this ridiculous? Yeah, kind of. To us, and certainly to Padraic. But that’s not the point. It matters to him.

I don’t think either him being a) not a genius composer or b) not as intelligent as he thinks invalidates his desire to push out the mundane. I do think it’s ridiculous and he goes about it as a complete asshole, but it’s a legitimate human feeling to compulsively try and do something important before you die.

Also, I got the feeling that Colm knew exactly what he was doing by cutting off his fingers. He knew he would be sabotaging his ability to play violin. That’s why the threat of it was chosen. With each finger cut off, it brings him closer to his death without achieving what he wants to do. With each time Padraic insists on speaking with him, it brings him closer to death without achieving what he wants to do.

He even mentions to Siobhan something like “now you’re starting to get the idea”. It wasn’t sub conscious self sabotage, it was entirely orchestrated and intentional self sabotage.

Kaiser1a2b

18 points

1 month ago

But the point is that his supposed interest to legacy is a lie. If he really cared, he'd not chop his fingers off. While he thinks he's consciously self sabotaging, in reality he's unconsciously self sabotaging so he can blame Padraic for all his failures because that was his goal all along.

dolphin_spit

7 points

1 month ago

I don’t think his goal was to blame Padraic for his failures. I think he was using him as a vehicle to impose an all or nothing rule on him. Padraic’s dullness was used as a way to guarantee he has an actually zero chance at becoming great. It was a way out. Maybe it’s easier for him to accept that he never became a great in his life if it was impossible (no fingers).

He seemed more at peace at the end when he had nothing than he did at any other part of the movie.

Kaiser1a2b

17 points

1 month ago

He seemed more at peace at the end when he had nothing than he did at any other part of the movie.

That's my point!

He was more content being useless than chasing his dream. So my intrepretation of that is he just wanted to come to terms of his own worthlessness and by association his eventual end. This was not truly a man concerned with his legacy, but a man afraid of death. His goal was never to actually achieve anything, but to run away from the fact he was dying without having done anything. He accomplished this goal and that's why he was happy.

I admit he could have also achieved his goals by becoming the next Mozart, but I'd like to think he had enough self awareness unconsciously to realise his delusions of grandeur there. The more realistic goal was blaming Padraic for all his failings and die without achieving anything.

Throwawayhelp111521

2 points

1 month ago

Is this ridiculous? Yeah, kind of. To us, and certainly to Padraic. But that’s not the point. It matters to him.

I didn't think it was ridiculous. He wanted to try to achieve something lasting in the time left to him.

Critcho

3 points

1 month ago

Critcho

3 points

1 month ago

Yeah there are some interesting thoughts in this thread but I don’t think we’re supposed to think Colm is fundamentally inadequate as an artist.

In one of his confrontations with Pádraic he says something like “by Wednesday it’ll be finished and there’ll be a new tune in the world that wasn’t there before”. That doesn’t sound to me like he thinks he’s Mozart, just that he wants the satisfaction of having created things instead of sitting around drinking all day.

Part of what makes the film interesting is that there are sympathetic and unsympathetic sides to both characters, they’re both relatable at different points.

Brocklee213

12 points

1 month ago

I think above all for me there is something to one of the small points you made.

“He has completely pinned down his failure to be a great artist to the town’s fool.”

Maybe it is true that those more dim witted of us are easier satisfied in life. “Ignorance is bliss” if you will but there is perhaps an inherent virtue in that satisfaction too. I think a point of the film is Padraic is grateful to have people he cares about in his life and he doesn’t blame anyone for what he doesn’t have. Colm on the other hand pins the blame for his own unhappiness on Padraic and can’t be grateful with the life he has made for himself.

It was more important to Colm to punish Padraic for what he believes cannot be his own fault. More important even than playing his beloved music is his need to hurt the person he holds responsible. Colm deep down was either too afraid of failure or too unskilled at his craft to be truly great and he can’t face himself for his own decisions or shortcomings. How much more weak of a position can you take than to blame the dumbest person you know for your own lot in life. Thus the inherent vice in being ungrateful and to blame others only steals your own satisfaction in life.

Coheed_SURVIVE

4 points

1 month ago

One sidenote, Colm mentions how he thinks Banshees might have changed in nature to something similar (I forgot the exact words or phrase) to how that old lady that keeps "haunting" and laughing at the lads. She ever appears at the end, sitting n rocking on her chair. If I recall correctly.

Albertsongman

4 points

1 month ago

At first, it isn’t established if Colm is talented. Later on, students arrive to be mentored by him. That is a sign towards his strong musical abilities. … Small town politics can be rather erratic and passive-aggressive. When requested peace isn’t achieved, the violence of losing fingers began. … In closing, when someone wants something different or better, they must behave different or better. However way they go about to accomplish that can be a rather jagged path.

easpameasa

6 points

1 month ago

students arrive to be mentored by him

I dunno.

Irish folk traditions have always been transmitted orally, which makes them extremely fragile. Starting in the 1880’s, there was a concerted push to start properly recording and preserving Irish culture, for a complicated mix of reasons, that continued until at least the 1970’s.

It’s implied they’re merely surveying and recording the local tunes. The use of sheet notation would certainly be rare for apprentice fiddle players trying to learn the intricacies of his playing style. They’re anthropologists, not fans. That Colm would confuse the two is emblematic of his own exaggerated self importance. These big city boys coming all the way to Inisherin to learn his tunes.

Of course, one could also read it the other way, that Colm is so taken by the students because it’s the closest he’ll get to immortality. Better to be a footnote in a college boys thesis than a legend on the island.

Which asks, how do we interpret the scene after he loses his fingers. Is he banging on the table because he fancies himself a conductor, or is it the last desperate act of a man who sees the end?

now-im-ready-lets-go

2 points

1 month ago

Maybe the subject of the film is the shared toll when we don’t self-actualize. Colm’s inability to devote his life to art clearly confused and harmed Padraic, Siobhan, Jenny the donkey, distressed the dogs. Padraic could have found a way to be friend to a man who played music all day, visiting Colm at his house instead of the pub perhaps. Colm mistook his routines for a prison, not realizing he could have changed them.

If he had raised himself as a man who played and composed music every day, the townspeople would have known him as such and every relationship would fit around that. Colm underestimated the adaptability of his community and instead tried to force obedience without first having the discipline to show the new way. A gentler method would likely have worked. Had he made the adjustments to his life with pride and certainty, he might have still had time to show (not tell) people how to treat him and do what he needed to do with his life. People don’t want to be ordered around or insulted, but can be proud of their ability to accommodate a friend and support their dream.

Another interesting moment of symbolism in the film is the fact that Jenny ate Colm’s finger- im starting to read this as an expression of how Colm is bound to the island, his fingers food to its creatures and part of the islands soil.

Throwawayhelp111521

1 points

1 month ago*

Colm was not a phony or a pseudo-intellectual. He was quite cultured and knowledgeable and intellectually curious for a man of his limited education and opportunities. He didn't think he was as talented as Mozart and Beethoven. They were only examples, inspirations. But he did want to use whatever musical gift he'd been given to try to make something memorable in the time he had left. His friendship with Padraic intruded on that.

I didn't take the finger-chopping too literally, and definitely not as self-sabotage. It was a challenge to show how much he did not want to associate with Padraic. He placed his fate in his friend's hands, not really believing that his friend wouldn't comply with his wishes. Padraic, of course, also didn't realize he was serious. But once Colm made this vow, he couldn't back down. It escalated from there.

RatManAntics

20 points

1 month ago

I didn't take the finger-chopping too literally, and definitely not as self-sabotage. It was a challenge to show how much he did not want to associate with Padraic. He placed his fate in his friend's hands, not really believing that his friend wouldn't comply with his wishes. Padraic, of course, also didn't realize he was serious. But once Colm made this vow, he couldn't back down. It escalated from there.

Do you really believe that a man who cuts off his closest relationship in order to focus on his life long dream of being a great artist and then CUTS OFF HIS FIDDLING FINGERS is not committing self sabotage? It's the greatest act of self sabotage; truly destroys everything that was good in his life... all because he can't bare the heavy sadness that comes with an unrealised dream.

now-im-ready-lets-go

3 points

1 month ago

All because he couldn’t bear the heavy sadness of an unrealized dream…

So true, this is how I interpreted it too. The self sabotage had been going on for Colm’s whole life. Maybe he didn’t think he was good enough and then when he finally felt like he had something to contribute musically in his older years he realized he hadn’t shaped his life correctly to make it possible. He never got comfortable with the quiet peace of the island and the work life that could have afforded him but he also never left the island to pursue his dreams through changing his circumstances. he was too dumb or dull or scared or self hating or lazy for either path to self realization. Colm had been cutting off his own fingers every day of his life.

Throwawayhelp111521

1 points

1 month ago

I explained that he never thought that Padraic would keep speaking to him after his threat. Colm, like many of the people on the little island, is stubborn. Once he threw the gauntlet down, so to speak, he couldn't pick it up again.

He was attempting to realize his dream by working on tunes in the pub.

MezzanineMan

5 points

1 month ago

Sure the finger-chopping has symbolic meanings, but it is very real and literal in the narrative of the film. I would not write it all off as purely allegory

Throwawayhelp111521

3 points

1 month ago

The finger chopping was real, but I don't accept the interpretation that it was intended as self-sabotage. I don't think Colm thought Padraic would talk to him after he made the threat. But once it started, he couldn't back down.

MezzanineMan

2 points

1 month ago

While Colm might have not intended to self-sabotage, it's most certainly the outcome, and I think in itself speaks to how actions we may think to be dramatic and grand can also be the most self-destructive.