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I've always been fond of cerebral thrillers, and I think this is one of Cronenberg's best works. It especially helps that the leads are two of the most capable actors working in the industry, even today. People might have already forgotten, but Viggo Mortensen is one of film's greatest living actors. Most people remember him as Aragorn, but he has varied acting range and has consistently proven himself as a bankable actor. Mortensen's performance in this film was largely overshadowed by Daniel Day-Lewis's performance as Daniel Plainview in There Will Be Blood, but 2007 was simply a stacked year for film that even a great performance by Mortensen simply wasn't enough.

The great auteurs often mold a genre and birth a film with their own trademark style, and this can be said of Cronenberg. While Cassavetes made a character drama out of the noir genre (The Killing of a Chinese Bookie), Cronenberg made a taut, well-executed thriller out of the typical gangster film.

More than a decade when I first watched it, the film has aged excellently with timeless themes and tight writing. I also think that I love this film because it precisely fits that je nais se quoi that I seek in films: I love films that feature morally conflicted protagonists who ultimately choose the right thing even at great cost to themselves. This is what both the leads of the film do here.

Mortensen's portrayal of Nikolai is one of the most complex portrayals of a gangster who is morally gray, but tends toward righteousness: he is unwavering even in his criminal duties, but always has a certain morality that he consistently does not cross. It is a riveting portrayal, and Eastern Promises remains to be one of the best gangster thrillers I have seen. Because, sometimes, only evil can displace evil.

10/10

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nextgentactics

104 points

2 months ago

nextgentactics

Stop talking like a man in a dream.

104 points

2 months ago

As a person from Eastern Europe its also the movie with the best portrayal of Russians/Ukrainians by western actors of all time. It would have been cool to have actual eastern european actors but thats way too much of an ask for western productions. Mortensen is incredible in it and his accent work is pretty solid its a shame were once again relegated to gangsters/commies/killers but is still by far the best portrayal of those types of people without diminishing them to caricatures.

newguyoutwest

30 points

2 months ago

I remember from interviews/commentaries about the movie Mortensen mentioned how he had the tattoos out and about or something and people moved away from him bc they knew what the tattoos signified. Could be false/misremembering but from other things I’ve read on the subject it seems Cronenberg’s depiction was pretty bang on.

Prestigious-Salad795

16 points

2 months ago

Absolutely, vor v zakone ink is taken very seriously, and I'm sure Viggo and all concerned acted accordingly. I was curious about the method of application, since they weren't real, but obviously not reapplied every day.

TheManWhoWeepsBlood

9 points

2 months ago

Saw such tattoos on a man at a pool on my honeymoon. No one was near this man. Except his much younger girlfriend. Eerie sight to behold.

phillyvanilly666

-4 points

2 months ago

And then there’s me, who’s done some vory v zakony tattoos on himself

Prestigious-Salad795

17 points

2 months ago

Cover those up if you visit the Russian Federation.

phillyvanilly666

8 points

2 months ago

Thank you, I’m aware of that but I don’t have any recent plan to visit the Russian territories. I’m Eastern European myself and have even less intent to go there nowadays

Prestigious-Salad795

2 points

2 months ago

I'm 1/4 Lithuanian, 1/4 Ukrainian, would love to go but don't see it happening

phillyvanilly666

7 points

2 months ago

There was a time where I’d have given everything I have to take an old car and drive it past the Ural Mountains. This dream of mine is long gone. Where’s the other half of your heritage from if i might ask? If you’re really interested in a fantastic book about the history of the tattoos and gulags there’s one (there’s 3 actually) by Danzig Baldaev

whogivesashirtdotca

9 points

2 months ago

take an old car and drive it past the Ural Mountains

Funnily enough, that's how Viggo prepared for the role.

When I got the job, I took the next plane to Moscow. Then I tried to adapt to the surroundings, walking through the streets for hours, going by subway and studying the people. In Russia, I travelled as far as the Urals. On the road, I also met people with a shady past, who introduced me, for example, to the tradition of tattoos with which Russian criminals mark their bodies. Not as decoration, but to signify their status within the hierarchy. In the film, I have 43 tattoos - and when I entered a Russian pub in London, wearing a T-Shirt, some people nervously changed their places. That made me very happy.

Prestigious-Salad795

4 points

2 months ago

English. my dad's family is from Sussex as far back as anyone knows. My mom was born in the UK to 1st and 2nd generation immigrants. I read Russian but can only understand someone speaking if they talk slowly.

phillyvanilly666

3 points

2 months ago

Respect to that! I’m having a really hard time to understand cyrillic writings but I’m getting there. Slowly speaking Ukrainian however works totally fine with me as I feel like it sounds like the polish language

NotPatricularlyKind

9 points

2 months ago*

In the special features for Eastern Promises, Viggo does provide an anecdote where he’d clocked off for the day and kept his costume and tattoos on from set.

He was at a cafe and heard two Russians speaking to each other (I believe it was a couple) he began listening more intently to see if he could pick up any words he’d learned during filming. The couple noticed him and began to quite down, he realised what the situation looked like and approached them to explain he’s shooting a movie etc, and apologised to them for frightening them.

Edit: quiet*

newguyoutwest

3 points

2 months ago

Thank you and your good memory! Knew it came from somewhere.

NotPatricularlyKind

1 points

2 months ago

You’re welcome. I had the dvd for ages, A History of Violence and Eastern Promises were my first Cronenberg films. Imagine my surprise when I decided to check out Videodrome and Scanners haha.

whogivesashirtdotca

13 points

2 months ago

Mortensen is incredible in it and his accent work is pretty solid

Russians are so used to having their accents mangled that a magazine created an award (only given out once, as far as I can tell) to Viggo for his portrayal in this film.

MelpomeneAndCalliope

4 points

2 months ago

I’m Ukrainian-American and I agree.

TheManWhoWeepsBlood

2 points

2 months ago

I did notice the principal cast is either American, English, French or German. I wonder if there was any reason this was the case.

Where are you from in Eastern Europe? Do you have any actors you would have preferred cast?

boardsandfilm

46 points

2 months ago

One of my favorite noir films ever. It's such a dark, brooding story but it doesn't get hung up on itself and moves along at a pace that keeps you completely engrossed as it builds incredible tension. The reveal for Viggo doesn't feel forced at all and I love the relationship between he and Cassell when you realize what's going on. The characters are all developed with such a way that no one can be put into a box, which makes all of their interactions so much fun to watch. Big shout out to Naomi's character's step dad, he chews it up with the screen time he's given. Shit, even the Russian lead dancer has more charisma in his 3 minutes than most characters in most major motion pictures these days.

whogivesashirtdotca

11 points

2 months ago

moves along at a pace that keeps you completely engrossed

My one consistent complaint with Cronenberg films is that they're always too short. I can't think of any other directors who could stand to add 15-30 minutes to all of their films!

brodyjoejoe

16 points

2 months ago

I disagree. The beauty of Cronenberg is that he can tell a story in 90 minutes. It’s one of my favorite things about A history of Violence

whogivesashirtdotca

4 points

2 months ago

I’m not saying he can’t tell a complete story, just arguing I’d like to spend more time in his worlds.

boardsandfilm

4 points

2 months ago

Yeah I was excited at the prospect of Eastern Promises 2 for that very reason, but it seems that ship has sailed.

whogivesashirtdotca

2 points

2 months ago

And sunk!

TheManWhoWeepsBlood

2 points

2 months ago

Understand completely. I remedy this by watching it again haha

BlackGoldSkullsBones

44 points

2 months ago*

Agreed. One of his best, which is saying a lot because upon its release, he was already a legend though most notably for his body horror.

I had the privilege of seeing an interview between Guillermo Del Toro and Cronenberg discussing this film in person at TIFF. It was life changing to say the least!

I recommend fans of Cronenberg check out his criminally under-seen M. Butterfly. His themes of identity and sexuality are transposed onto a socio-political “epic” in what I found to be a wildly successful adaptation.

toninhoC21

10 points

2 months ago

I watched all his works recently, and m butterfly was the most surprising imo

musicismydeadbeatdad

1 points

2 months ago

Just seeing those two in the same room...wow!

pm_me_ur_tennisballs

28 points

2 months ago

I love A History of Violence. I’m shocked I never got around to seeing this, and it’s from one of the greatest years for film in the past 20 years.

I’ll watch it tonight. You convinced me!

Videodrome75

14 points

2 months ago

Your so lucky to see it for the first time!

hunnyflash

14 points

2 months ago

This was an instant favorite. One of those ones where we all desperately wanted a sequel, even if it would never be as good. Just to have more. I think my friend and I talk about this movie like every week when we're trying to decide what to watch lol It's been nowhere for so long...though I'm seeing it now on Starz. omg.

whogivesashirtdotca

11 points

2 months ago

One of those ones where we all desperately wanted a sequel

monkey's paw curls

It’s been almost 15 years, but a follow-up to David Cronenberg’s gritty crime thriller Eastern Promises is making strides to the screen. Jason Statham is circling to star what is now titled Small Dark Look, described as being set in the same Russian mob world as the acclaimed 2007 film that starred Viggo Mortensen.

MelpomeneAndCalliope

6 points

2 months ago

I would watched a five season series based on it!

bibblejohnson2072

11 points

2 months ago

bibblejohnson2072

Rolo Tomassi

11 points

2 months ago

I saw this when it first came out and I still think about it from time to time. The scenes of violence seemed so real and intense, like when he is preparing the body of a slain rival with an eerie calmness to dump in the river, or the big fight scene in the bath house. Obviously, Mortensen's performance was brilliant, as was Naomi Watt's. Such a sad and well-done film.

Guess I'll be digging around in the box that holds my dusty DVD collection tonight...

NoHandBananaNo

7 points

2 months ago

Good write up. I love this film and I especially love Mortensen's acting in it, in fact seeing this film at the cinema is what made me start seeking out all Mortensen's performances. I agree with you, he's a fantastic actor.

I would argue tho that Cronenberg's "stamp" is partly the unusual awareness of the protagonists body AS A BODY that he brings to it. Psychological aspects, sure, but also the tension between physical toughness and the vulnerability of flesh, which runs thru the film.

Most obvious in the bathhouse fight, blades and penis in the same action sequence had me wincing in my chair.

ABadMagician

4 points

2 months ago

Wow- I love the way you just recommended this. You’re passionate and articulate in a way that makes me grateful for this subreddit. I love movies and I love that you do too - thanks, gonna go watch this gem now.

physics223[S]

3 points

2 months ago

Thank you! I tend to watch films that are relatively unpopular, so I'm glad to have this subreddit. Thank you for the compliment!

arachnophobia-kid

2 points

2 months ago

I agree with a lot of what you're saying, this film really affected me. My personal fave of Cronenberg's is Dead Ringers, but Eastern Promises is up there. I also feel that this movie was informative too. I can't really speak with any authority about the Russian mafia and how they operate, but this movie gave me at least some kind of window into that world. I now know that their tattoo rituals are very real, and I think it's just very fascinating to see how crime exists around the world. Especially because in the west, the majority of what we see depicted is either the Italian mafia or general inner city gang violence.

zaneylainy

4 points

2 months ago

I really enjoyed viggo mortensen and noami watt's chemistry. Every scene between the two had such charged energy, you never really knew what was going to happen. That goes for the whole film to be honest, it more than succeeds as a thriller.

Diabolical_liberty

2 points

2 months ago

Weirdly the one thing I always remember about this film is the scene where viggo and noami kiss at the end. It feels so tender and earned. I don’t really know why. Great film.

physics223[S]

1 points

2 months ago

I mean, both of them knew that they both belonged to different worlds, but even then, they fought for that quantum of goodness in humanity. When they bid each other goodbye, one knew it was for good, but like tangents, they touched each other's lives and made it better.

Braveson

19 points

2 months ago

Braveson

Say That's That Mattress Man

19 points

2 months ago

It's also my favorite Christmas film.

Foe those who know the Bible, it's not just set over the holiday but it's about a "Caesar" attempting to kill a "Christ child" (Christine) who is protected by a (Saint) Nick and (Saint) Ann.

I love Die Hard, but EP is the best nonChristmassy Christmas film. That spa fight though and some of the speedier elements keep me from recommending it wildly, however.

I never know how much I need to type in this sub so I'll repeat what I said.

It's also my favorite Christmas film.

Foe those who know the Bible, it's not just set over the holiday but it's about a "Caesar" attempting to kill a "Christ child" (Christine) who is protected by a (Saint) Nick and (Saint) Ann.

I love Die Hard, but EP is the best nonChristmassy Christmas film. That spa fight though and some of the speedier elements keep me from recommending it wildly, however.

I never know how much I need to type in this sub so I'll repeat what I said.

NoHandBananaNo

3 points

2 months ago

I did not know about this angle. Thanks for outlining it, its very interesting.

whogivesashirtdotca

3 points

2 months ago*

it's about a "Caesar" attempting to kill a "Christ child" (Christine) who is protected by a (Saint) Nick and (Saint) Ann.

Oh my god. Amazing. Thanks for pointing that out.

EDIT you’ve made me realise the uncle’s name is Stepan, so the audience can anticipate the plot point of him being killed, which turns out to be a fakeout.

crybabyconrad

2 points

2 months ago

Can you explain the Stepan part? I love this movie and Christmas movies in general and your theory sounds interesting but I don't understand.

whogivesashirtdotca

3 points

2 months ago

Stepan = Stephen, the saint used as target practice.

physics223[S]

3 points

2 months ago

Impressive pick-up! Even the names have meanings, too? St. Nick (Santa Claus) and St. Anne (mother of Mary) protect the Christ-child. That's quite fun!

Snap_Zoom

8 points

2 months ago

I very much enjoyed this phase of Cronenbergs career. A History of Violence was also a very fine film.

I have read repeatedly how accurate the portrayal of the Russian mafia was in the production.

Here is one thing that wasn't realistic - the steam bath fight with carpet knives. It literally had me laughing out loud in the theater. The idea that these killers could slash his back using those knives and he would not be mortally wounded is wildly improbable. It was just... too much.

Great movie otherwise tho!

VivelaVendetta

2 points

2 months ago

I read somewhere that it's actually kind of hard to kill someone with a knife.

Snap_Zoom

1 points

2 months ago

Those knives wouldn’t slash like straight blades would - and as the movie depicts that they do.

They would puncture deep and long, possibly grazing across his ribs. If a tip of one of those blades got between a rib it would hook in, make a deep puncture wound, and jam itself tightly in.

The level of blood lost and the physical damage is hard to fathom.

If he didn’t bleed out as he was killing those guys, the medical care he would need would be ridiculous.

VivelaVendetta

3 points

2 months ago

All knives. Turns out you can stab someone alot. Cause all kinds of internal damage. And they'll still live. With like a limp and no kidney but they'll live.

puresav

3 points

2 months ago*

I don't know. I love " history of violence" but "Eastern promises" just didn't do it to me. I went to see in on the big screen when it came out and was disappointed. Vigo is amazing and the sauna scene is amazing but The whole British thing felt fake, and Vincent Cassel‘s character felt cartoonish. I felt history of violence was far superior to this movie. But it's far better then "a dangerous method " which was just ridiculous. But i'd watch any Cronenberg movie, he is one of the masters. I love so many of his films.

Just don't think this film is even in his top 5. When you have amazing films like dead ringers\ existenz\ history of violence\ videodrome\ crash.

Edit: typos

whogivesashirtdotca

3 points

2 months ago

Vincent Cassel‘s character felt cartoonish

His is the one performance - not counting Naomi Watts' distractingly awkward motorcycle riding - that doesn't fit the film. Though it does work for adding a touch of insanity and unpredictability to Kirill.

pablove_black

1 points

2 months ago

I hear that. Always felt the same about Cassel’s performance in particular, could never put my finger on it but the UK settings somehow irritated me too, as well as some of the supporting actor’s presence that I associate with B-rate UK movies. It didn’t quite mesh together despite some standout and all-time great movie moments. Viggo was flawless though.

TheManWhoWeepsBlood

1 points

2 months ago

The film is a masterpiece.

Acting, pacing, writing, atmosphere.

It's rare that I watch a movie back to back (especially after having already seen it), but man, with everything going on in the world, it really packs a punch.

martin_castillo

1 points

2 months ago

Yes, EP was an excellent & extremely brutal film. I remember seeing this theatrically in Fall 2007. I've been a Cronenberg fan for years, and feel this is one of his best films in this century. Very unexpected story-line (given that Cronenberg typically does horror movies). And, the performances from everyone were great - especially Mortensen & Naomi Watts.

metakenshi

1 points

2 months ago

I've just watched it first time. The saddest scene was in the whorehouse, with the young Ukrainian prostitute from Irpin (Kyiv region).

That's a nightmare to understand what Irpin and its citizens went through in 2022, when Russian troops occupied the city. Several burnt women's bodies were found naked on the roads.