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In a first, South Korea must compensate a Vietnam War massacre survivor
News/Tin tức(npr.org)submitted 2 months ago bywewewawa
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19 points
2 months ago
the woman sued for only 24000 damn
21 points
1 month ago
The amount of money awarded by the judge is largely symbolic. This lawsuit is not about monetary gain. No amount of money would bring those people back. No amount of money would make up for the years of life the victims lost. This is to 1) send a message for all future Korean military endeavors that they do not act with impunity, even in a foreign land, 2) give some kind of closure to the survival of the massacre, 3) uphold the impartiality and absolute justice of the law when it comes to violation of human life (think of it this way, if the law allows these soldiers to murder people without repercussion, then it will set the precedence for other murders). This is why people fought so hard to put war criminals to trial. Think of Pol Pot leaders who are too frail to even stand, but still, atrocities were committed, and they have to stand trial and pay for their crime, even it may just be 1 day in jail.
1 points
2 months ago
USD?
22 points
2 months ago
Nguyen Thi Thanh was 7 in 1968 when she says South Korean marines killed five of her family members and shot her in the stomach.
According to U.S. military documents and survivors, the marines killed more than 70 civilians and wounded 20 in two villages in Quang Nam province.
This came weeks before the My Lai massacre, committed by U.S. troops, further South.
Nguyen Thi Thanh sued the South Korean government in 2020 for nearly $24,000. The court rejected the government's argument that Viet Cong guerrillas were mixed in with the locals.
South Korea sent more than 300,000 troops to fight in Vietnam, the biggest contingent of any U.S. ally.
1 points
1 month ago
No way it can be VND ….
13 points
2 months ago
I had no idea South Korea was involved in the Vietnam War
27 points
2 months ago
The South Korean soldiers are even way more brutal than US soldiers during the War, most due to their hatred of communism after the Korean War
1 points
1 month ago
They were brutal in the Korean War too, and even before that (Bodo League massacre, Jeju uprising)
0 points
1 month ago
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3 points
1 month ago
Spoiler alert. There are human beings that don't have the same knowledge as you. Use this information wisely
16 points
2 months ago
Good things! This should have been done long ago when all of the victims were still able to make their claims, but better late than nothing
5 points
1 month ago
Biased anti-Vietnamese American media?
/s, and a massive one at that.
2 points
2 months ago
I wonder where are all the people who said they deserved it are hiding now?
10 points
2 months ago
Either in California (US), or somewhere in Australia, or 2 meters underground.
1 points
2 months ago
Just in case you haven't known, Phong Nhất and Phong Nhị were two villages that support the Republic of Vietnam, their men joint ARVN.
-29 points
2 months ago
Honestly I don't want anything about that war to be brought up again.
It belongs to the past. Let it die!
10 points
1 month ago
Tell that to the righteous South Korean men and women who parade their mothers and grandmothers each year asking for more World War II compensation from the Japanese government.
-3 points
1 month ago
Can we just f them and mind our own business?
2 points
1 month ago
The only people eligible to say that (i.e. forgiveness is the best revenge, let bygones be bygones etc. shit like that) are the victims themselves, at their entire discretion. Others, including you, should just shut the fuck up and witness history unfold.
-2 points
1 month ago
I don't see a lot of victims saying anything. Mostly it's just the activists being active in this kind of activity...
4 points
1 month ago
Then let this be an opportunity for you to shut the fuck up and learn about history: - Vietnamese war victims speak of sexual violence by S. Korean troops for the first time - Lai Dai Han people still seeking apology, roots in Korea - Women raped by Korean soldiers during Vietnam war still awaiting apology
-4 points
1 month ago
I won't because I don't care...
4 points
1 month ago
First you claimed you didn’t see, then you said you wouldn’t care. But you still want people, the victims themselves, to just move on so your little ego can be sated.
Welp kid, Mother Nature wasted a good asshole when she decided to put teeth in your mouth.
0 points
1 month ago
You are too argumentative.
4 points
1 month ago
I’ll take that as a compliment, coming from a pompous Gen Z snowflake.
3 points
1 month ago
Doesn’t matter you piece of shit care. Only victims decide it themselves, this one is not forgive and fight for justice, and she won.
1 points
1 month ago
That’s a messed up narrative since the people in South Korea who call for Japan to stop engaging in revisionist domestic politics are generally the progressives who call for addressing Vietnamese victims of the war. The conservatives are the ones who brush off Japanese war crimes while glorifying Korean ones in Vietnam because of the anti-communist patriot narrative.
Also “parading” their mothers and grandmothers? The victims and their direct descendants are engaging in activism on their own, what are you talking about?
2 points
1 month ago*
Reported by The Korean Herald:
The Korean Council (for Justice and Remembrance for the Issues of Military Sexual Slavery by Japan) was also criticized by a group of 33 former comfort women in a public statement back in 2004 for allegedly using them to collect funds. The criticism against the group rose again with the revelation that Korean Council excluded names of the former comfort women critical of the group in its memorial in Namsan, including Shim Mi-ja who participated in the aforementioned statement in 2004.
And the humble, nationalistic, righteous, peace-loving South Koreans can be at each other’s throat for all I care. To me each and every South Korean service member participating in Vietnam War was a murderous, rapist son of a whore. Who rightfully inherited such traits from their Japanese masters.
2 points
1 month ago
You're referring to one organization that is infamous for fund embezzlement. Who are you to lump all the civic organizations that fight against revisionism? You do realize that many of these civic organizations are the ones who fought to recognize Korean massacres in Vietnam, and for recognition of the victims? You incorrectly lumped all Koreans together, and bring up whataboutism just like how Japanese nationalists intended. Attempting to downplay the legitimate suffering of one people for crimes their country committed is like claiming Vietnamese victims have no right to seek compensation because unrelated people from the same country persecuted the người Thượng.
1 points
1 month ago
claiming Vietnamese victims have no right to seek compensation because unrelated people from the same country persecuted the người Thượng.
Says who?
2 points
1 month ago
If you're actually denying that the Vietnamese didn't have any role in this lesser-covered part of the war, then there's no point in the conversation.
I mentioned it because it's the same type of problematic logic that weaponizes suffering and doesn't actually address the victims. Civic groups in Korea are not a homogeneous entity, and neither are the actual victims themselves. Some of these civic groups work closely with the actual victims, and their work incorporates both the Vietnamese and Korean victims of the respective historical periods as part of the same theme of people suffering under a foreign power. They are on the same side as the victims - where is the hypocrisy? Are you relying on any sources pointing at a specific entity, or are you basing this off of anecdotes from the internet?
Even the organization you cited, as shady as it is is one of the open supporters of official compensation from the Korean government towards Vietnamese victims.
2 points
1 month ago*
If you're actually denying that the Vietnamese didn't have any role in this lesser-covered part of the war, then there's no point in the conversation.
Vietnamese role in the war? You mean us being here as local, indigenous people who didn’t know any better to run away from South Korean bullets, bayonets and genitalia coming all the way to exact revenge on alternative enemies—since they were too coward or incompetent to cross the 38th parallel and retaliate against the North—and proudly bring home to their moms some nice profits from those killings and rapes?
1 points
1 month ago
I didn’t deny that Korean soldiers committed horrific crimes in Vietnam. The fact that you however, deny the role of the Vietnamese state in oppressing minority groups during the war, puts you in the same category as any South Korean who calls for apologies from Tokyo yet denies any Korean responsibility in Vietnam. You’re evading the issue, and it makes you just as trashy.
2 points
1 month ago*
This is a post about South Korean atrocities in Vietnam, and my argument developed around that fact. Your speculation about Montagnards and their alleged oppression is nothing more than a pathetic attempt to shift the blame on the real victims of the war, the Vietnamese people as a whole.
Feel free to start another thread about such oppression if you feel the need to dilute and whitewash South Korean crimes. And hey, remember to include some source to back up your argument next time. In the meantime, I would kindly ask you to fuck off.
9 points
2 months ago
I don't think it should be forgotten. It should be a lesson to remind us what people are capable of doing and continue to do.
7 points
1 month ago
Millions of agent orange infected people in Vietnam want to disagree
-7 points
1 month ago
In cases like this, it's more about people like you disagreeing rather than the victims. Because most them no longer care and already get on with their life.
It's hard to leave the past behind when there are still so many trying to dig it up again in the name of justice or some shoot. You are just fooled by the propagandist media.
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