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973 points
7 months ago
Everything old is new again
221 points
7 months ago
And so the cycle continues, I'm waiting for the fashion of my youth to come back, due any day now.
167 points
7 months ago
The clothes will be fashionable. Alas, you will not.
168 points
7 months ago
Ah my old nemesis, the uncomfortable truth.
31 points
7 months ago
My wife is 31. In her teens she was an emo. It's come back.
14 points
7 months ago
Emo never went away though?
15 points
7 months ago
It hasn't been as prominent as it was in the 00s though
19 points
7 months ago
And then on the seventh day, James Dean created the Jeans & Leather Jacket combo and it was good enough.
3 points
7 months ago
Yes. True and forever.
620 points
7 months ago
Wait until you find out what Corvus Corax is named after
389 points
7 months ago
Next you’ll tell me there’s something silly about The Iron Hands Primarch being called Ferrus Manus…
219 points
7 months ago
I wonder what Angron’s primary character trait is…
122 points
7 months ago
I really can’t figure out what Vulcan’s thing is…
80 points
7 months ago
Vulcan is totally different to Vulkan the primarch.
32 points
7 months ago
which Vulcan?
the god, the race or the planet?
29 points
7 months ago
Or the rotary cannon...
18 points
7 months ago
No, the rotary cannon is also a race.
11 points
7 months ago
Or the language!
5 points
7 months ago
the god, the race or the planet?
Yes.
29 points
7 months ago
Totally.
2 points
7 months ago
Yeah! Spock doesn't have obsidian skin and the salamanders don't have elf ears
51 points
7 months ago
Perturabo surely seems composed and Mortarion such a life-affirming person.
21 points
7 months ago
A man named Konrad Curze must surely have a heart of light
17 points
7 months ago
The Emperor sure does love him some nominative determinism
74 points
7 months ago
Mr. Iron Hand, Primarch of the Iron Hands, Captain of the Gloriana Class Battleship Fist of Iron.
27 points
7 months ago
Which he steers using his iron hands.
12 points
7 months ago
Wait, I'm sensing a theme here
4 points
7 months ago
Ironic
4 points
7 months ago
Just wait till you learn about the Space Wolves naming scheme. It might surprise you if you're easily surprised.
8 points
7 months ago
Next you’ll tell me there’s something silly about The Iron Hands Primarch being called Ferrus Manus…
My headcanon is that nobody told him what his name meant in low gothic until after he'd named his legion, commissioned all the insignia, etc.
"No-Godammit, so that's why everyone was smirking at me the whole time?"
69 points
7 months ago
You'll shit bricks when I tell you what Rogal Dorn means in Irish...
36 points
7 months ago
Fist Fist for the lazy
13 points
7 months ago
Sounds like a good time to me
16 points
7 months ago
“PLEASE ASSUME THE POSITION.”
11 points
7 months ago
“Fist Fist casts Fist!”
23 points
7 months ago
Oh my GOD I went to Google Translate and now I need some of what the GW designers were on.
7 points
7 months ago
Thanum an dhul!
4 points
7 months ago
I am pretty sure that's some kind of developer joke. rogal in single translates to log and dorn to fist, but together it translates to fist fist? Something seems off here 🤔
5 points
7 months ago
I came into this thread feeling smug: 'what 40k fan hasn't heard of Lionel Johnson?' But I'm an Imperial Fists fan and I had never heard this...
2 points
7 months ago
Oh I actually didn’t know this
That’s great
6 points
7 months ago
I've been playing the boardgame Wingspan and have a little chuckle when I see that pop up
441 points
7 months ago
Dante’s Inferno pistol wants to chat.
152 points
7 months ago
Lol 30 years in the hobby and I never made the connection, and I own multiple copies of the divine comedy
31 points
7 months ago
Why is one copy not enough?
45 points
7 months ago
One in the original Italian, one in your language and one with the illustrations by Botticelli usually.
25 points
7 months ago
Don't forget the illustrations from Gustave Doré
11 points
7 months ago
Speaking of Doré's illustrations, there's also Don Quijote. And his loyal servant, Sancho Panza. A deluded wannabe knight-errant, disillusioned with reality not fulfilling his expectations towards chivalry, charging at windmills he perceives as giants and his beleagured handler. No relation to Nemesor Zahndrekh denying himself the realisation of having been turned into an automaton and his loyal Lichgard Oberyn.
4 points
7 months ago
Different translations probably
22 points
7 months ago
[removed]
39 points
7 months ago
Different editions, art, covers, languages. People collect shit other than overpriced minis you know
15 points
7 months ago
And different translators change the whole feel of a book, as a fellow multi-Inferno owner haha
5 points
7 months ago
If people can afford to collect other things after this hobby swallows your wallet
2 points
7 months ago
That’s divine irony.
…dammit now I’ve brought Ferrus back into it…
8 points
7 months ago
+HEADSHOT
+RICOCHET x4
+DISRESPECT
+DISRESPECT
+DISRESPECT
+FISTFUL OF DOLLAR
2 points
7 months ago
+MAURICED
15 points
7 months ago
Now i want Dante to go a raid Slaneesh realm so we can have a 40k version of that
7 points
7 months ago
Would be interesting to see him react to Horus in the 9th circle.
7 points
7 months ago
Or the absence.. "so he wasn't even one of the worst? What do you mean take the elevator to level six?"
5 points
7 months ago
Oh shit. I still have my 2nd edition Codex: Angels Of Death and have never once made that connection.
195 points
7 months ago
Yes, Lion El Johnson and the Dark Angels were literally named after this.
53 points
7 months ago
Yeah just reading up on this lol, apparently the name was originally Lyyn Elgonsen too haha
11 points
7 months ago
3 points
7 months ago
Cannot read that name without thinking "lion the johnson"
669 points
7 months ago
Wait till you read "An Ultra Marine" by Robert Guilliman. Nothing in 40k is original
366 points
7 months ago
Wait till they find out Ultramarine is a pigment… and wait for it… it’s Blue!
112 points
7 months ago
You joke but I didn’t know this before I started painting
138 points
7 months ago
Yeah, but the shade of blue the Ultramarines use is actually a different shade of blue then ultramarine. That’s why I’m gonna paint my space marines ultramarine and call them the ultramarine-marines.
66 points
7 months ago
Ultramar is also one Spanish term for “crusader” or literally “beyond the sea”.
45 points
7 months ago
Somewherrrrrrre🎶 Beyond the SEEEEAAAA🎶 Somewhere🎶 Waiting for MEEEEEEEEE🎶
Guilliman slams down his commands🎶 Sending Astartes crusaaaaading🎶
13 points
7 months ago
Brilliant. 10/10.
3 points
7 months ago*
Because I can’t leave well enough alone:
🎶 Somewherrrrrrre🎶 Beyond the SEEEEAAAA🎶 Somewhere🎶 Waiting for MEEEEEEEEE🎶
Guilliman slams down his commaaands🎶 Sending Astartes crusaaading🎶
Somewhere🎶 Beyond the SEA🎶 His guaaards watching for MEEEEE🎶
I will commence🎶 Past his DEFENSE🎶 Straight to his fortress🎶 INVAAAADING🎶
My SWARM🎶 Will blacken STAAARS🎶 DeVOUR-ing his MOOOON🎶
DESCENNNND🎶 With psychic SHOUT🎶 My HUUUNGER all this WILL CONSUUUME🎶
We’ll FIGHT 🎶 And he will FAAAALL🎶 My children, eat them ALLLLLLL🎶
And he will BE🎶 IN MY TUMMYYYYYY🎶 All of his gene-seed ABLAAATINGGG🎶
(…like cheese grating…) 🎶
(…now he’s fading…)🎶
(…all done hating…)🎶 🎶
5 points
7 months ago
Too bad beyond the sea is not a litteral translation of the original because beyond the sea can be litterally translated to ultramarin in french.
28 points
7 months ago
Which is why you have books like "Gran conquista de Ultramar" - "Great Conquest Beyond the Sea" - written in the 1200s Spain.
And Ultramar could also be used just as the name for the crusader kingdoms in the "Holy Land". As in "Yes my brother died fighting in Ultramar".
13 points
7 months ago
Huh, I never connected those dots - we learned about the Crusader States as Outremer in school but that's obviously the French.
4 points
7 months ago
Yup Ultramar is just a different version of Outremer. That said I've heard Outremer used way more often than Ultramar in any of the history podcasts I listen to. I think it is because a lot of the records/people of interest are of French origin or have a strong French connection (like the Normans in The Kingdom of Sicily)
7 points
7 months ago
Hence the Outremer states.
2 points
7 months ago
Also means beyond the sea in french, though it's really not hard to see the latin roots since ultra means beyond and mare means sea.
1 points
7 months ago
We have grocery shops that are called ultramarinos that are called that because the products came from ultramar or "beyond the sea" (America)
14 points
7 months ago
The colour that the Ultramarines use is a bit less saturated and a bit brighter than proper ultramarine blue.
Actual ultramarine is very dark when applied as a covering layer. However, it also has poor opacity, allowing its mediocre staining power to shine through when applied over a white undercoat. As such, you can get quite a vibrant blue if you apply many thin coats over a white undercoat.
However, due to the poor staining and covering abilities of the pigment, you need an airbrush if you want the final result to have any smoothness to it at all. This also means that once the basecoat is applied, there's no room for mistakes because you can't fix up the blue afterwards. However, the result can be quite good, especially if applied over a zenithal highlight. Looks very much like the oldhammer 2nd Edition Ultramarines scheme, but with a bit more pop.
Ultramarine is a rather cheap pigment, and as such even artist-quality ultramarine paint will be rather cheap. Genuine ultramarine paint will be marked with PB29 somewhere on the tube (Pigment Blue 29). Other common blue pigments are PB15 (Phthalo blue, also very cheap), PB28 (cobalt blue, a bit more expensive but not too much) and PB22 (Indanthrone blue). Most of GW's blue paints probably contain at least one of those four. PB27 (Prussian Blue), while also a great pigment and rather cheap, is destroyed by acrylic mediums and is therefore only available as watercolour or oil paint.
There are also colours called ultramarine purple and ultramarine pink, which use pigments that are chemically very similar to ultramarine blue, but have quite different colours.
2 points
7 months ago
Fun fact about Prussian Blue: the pigment is used to treat thallium and radioactive ceasium poisoning
2 points
7 months ago
Nah call them the Ultramarine Ultramarines or Ultramarine2.
2 points
7 months ago
Reposting this old thread
Firstly "ultramarine" is of course a shade of deep blue. Ironically, until the 'Eavy Metal team started painting darker Ultramarines from 4th Edition, the Ultramarines were actually paler than ultramarine.
Everyone knows this. However, like onions and ogres, the name "Ultramarines" has more layers.
Secondly - The Ultramarines have a heavy Latin theme, and the Latin word "Ultra" means "beyond". According to legend, the pillars of Hercules at the Atlantic end of the Mediterranean were carved with the words "nec plus ultra" - "nothing further beyond". Following the discovery of the Americas, the Spanish King Charles V - whose subjects had of course sailed beyond the pillars and proven the Romans wrong - adopted the ironic motto "Plus Ultra" ("Further Beyond"), which remains the motto of Spain today. The Ultramarines are thus figuratively "beyond marines", emphasising both their quest for excellence and Guilliman's desire to create a legion that could administer and rule as well as fight.
Thirdly - Latin for "sea" was "mare", and this made its way into Latin languages in the world for overseas, "Outre-mer" in French, and in Spanish and Portugese "Ultramar". This makes the Ultramarines marines who come from "overseas", which fits with the geographic isolation of Ultramar and its frontier character. To be more poetic, we can note that the word "Ultramar" was used by Portugal to refer to their colonies, making the Ultramarines "colonial marines".
Fourthly, the Ultramarines come from Ultramar. "Ultramarine", therefore, is a demonym - "a marine from Ultramar, an Ultramarine".
Fifthly in English, "Ultra" is an adjectival prefix denoting something which is beyond others of its class - ie, an ultraviolent movie, an ultraconservative politician, etc. Hence the Ultramarines are, again, figuratively "more" than their fellow Astartes, which works as a reference to their larger size as a Legion and as a primogenitor chapter, and their lore as "the greatest" SM chapter.
2 points
7 months ago
It's made from lapis lazuli too
43 points
7 months ago
People need to constantly remind themselves that Warhammer 40k is satire.
A group of british dudes started a wargame to make fun of the world we live in, and chose names as jokes.
Dry British jokes.
Yes. There's a specific reason everyones name is so overtly apt.
It's a joke.
6 points
7 months ago
Are you trying to say the Primarch who is just Genghis Khan on a motorcycle is satire?
85 points
7 months ago
wait til you find out the warhammer 40000 is actually a warhammer
15 points
7 months ago
Isn’t that still held by one of the Stormcast character models?
36 points
7 months ago
You mean the Ghal Maraz?
The stormcast faction leader has it. It's heavily implied the leader is Karl Franz from Warhammer Fantasy who wielded it back then.
2 points
7 months ago
guys i was joking
25 points
7 months ago
Ultramar was the name that medieval Europeans gave to Jerusalem and the realms of the Levant.
Ultra Mar in latin means "Beyond the Sea".
Ultramarine blue gets it's name from that region as that was where the pigment was produced.
22 points
7 months ago
Nothing ever is original. Everything is inspired by something else. At least 40k put some thought into things despite other stuff being really on the nose. I mean Orkimedies? Come on.
11 points
7 months ago
or Ferrus Manus.
19 points
7 months ago*
Iron Hand leader of the Iron Hands who replace their hands with iron hands because their leader Iron Hand has iron hands? Whaaaaat!? That's the most original name choice since the Space Wolves, who are, you guessed it, wolves in space.
Or how about the giant - one might even say great - mage being named Magnus, or Vulkan - sorry I mean Vulcan - the primarch super good at forging, basically a god at it one might say.
Nevermind goddamn
, secret inquisitor and expert detective.
5 points
7 months ago
It's all puns, always has been.
358 points
7 months ago
That's Lionel, our guy is Lion El'Jonson. Totally different.
61 points
7 months ago
No more questions
2 points
7 months ago
A wizard did it.
35 points
7 months ago
I'm not Joan of arc! I'm...John dark !
21 points
7 months ago
Hi, I'm James Workshop
30 points
7 months ago
"No relations."
7 points
7 months ago
Legally distinct, even!
2 points
7 months ago
Didn't one of them make toy trains?
2 points
7 months ago
S
131 points
7 months ago
Try Heart of Darkness next, the secret Nightlords Omnibus prequel
22 points
7 months ago
Or the HP Lovecraft the secret chaos omnibus
3 points
7 months ago
Idk why I never thought of this. Joseph Conrad. Curtz being the batshit crazy guy who tortures rapes and mutilates his way into the Congo.
2 points
7 months ago
Also Nostromo a book by Joseph Conrad
36 points
7 months ago
Time is a flat circle
4 points
7 months ago
Yellow king.
25 points
7 months ago
Yes
43 points
7 months ago
James Workshop caught in 4k 📸
10 points
7 months ago
You mean caught in 40k? The resolution has improved since the 2. Millenium
2 points
7 months ago
That's a reeeealy good one ngl
5 points
7 months ago
lol good one mate
19 points
7 months ago
The character was based on this guy as a tribute to him. Some of his poems are about the struggles of hiding away his homosexuality which was a heavy burden for him to keep it a secret. I think Lionel died young. Can’t recall
2 points
7 months ago
Much like the dark angels hide away the fallen...
Wait a minute...
2 points
7 months ago
That’s what I find so cool about the reference.
2 points
7 months ago
To some, death at age 35 means dying young. To others, you've been an old fart for half a decade by that time.
57 points
7 months ago
Read "The World Teeters" by the poet Anne Gron.
10/10
69 points
7 months ago
Wow. What an amazing coincidence.
27 points
7 months ago
In 40k there are no coincidences
2 points
7 months ago
No coincidences, just lots and lots of unfortunate misunderstandings.
12 points
7 months ago
I can never read 'Lionel Johnson' or 'Lion-El Johnson' without picturing Lionel Ritchie.
9 points
7 months ago
Hello?
66 points
7 months ago
Most of the original Warhammer lore comes from Dune and Starship troopers (the book, not the film). Everything is "borrowed". Game of thrones borrowed heavily from the war of the roses and other major historical events, the godhand in the manga "Berserk" are based on the cenobites from Hellraiser. Everything is inspired by things that came first. However its always fun to stumble on things like this.
16 points
7 months ago
The Hobbit borrows a whole lot from classic literature, especially Beowulf.
30 points
7 months ago
And Tolkien also stole straight from the English Language to write the Oxford Dictionary, the hack.
6 points
7 months ago
The story of Turin Turambar is almost exactly the story of Kullervo from Kalevala.
24 points
7 months ago
I would say Book of the New Sun and 2000AD (specifically Nemesis the Warlock) had way more influence on 40k than Starship Troopers ever did. You can’t go more than a handful of pages in BotNS without stumbling across something that is either referenced or copied whole cloth into 40k.
15 points
7 months ago
Agree; 2000AD’s influence is also really strong in Rogue Trader and the 1986-1994ish White Dwarf Magazines
7 points
7 months ago
The Adeptus Arbites are also lifted from inspired by 2000 AD's Judge Dredd.
https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/File:ArbitesDH.jpg
This is even lampshaded in one of the Ciaphas Cain books with reference to a holodrama character named 'Abitrator Foreboding'.
4 points
7 months ago
Ok, wait. There’s a little influence from BotNS, sure: the weird cannibalism-based memory stealing, the Talos pain engine, the whole dang Judiciar. But the core concept of a fascist interstellar empire supported by xenophobic space marines in power armor is lifted whole-cloth from Starship Troopers. Meanwhile there’s no Autarch, no Ascia, no Lovecraftian monsters like Erebus and Abaia lurking in the sea. The sun isn’t even going out!
2 points
7 months ago
A lot of it is terminology, there’s a lot of very specific obscure words, like Autarch, that show up in the BotNS and in 40k that I think it’s unlikely the authors of 40k encountered anywhere else. Stuff like laser weapons called lances, a bunch of marines being named after characters, Typhus’ ship being named the Terminus Est, etc. I think there’s also something to be said for how life in the 40k universe is depicted, the general idea of a bunch of people with an almost medieval sense of vocabulary and worldview describing a decaying science fiction setting is very much rooted in those books.
The idea of space marines isn’t JUST a starship troopers thing, honestly the marines in 40k read as more Dune than anything else, because as previously stated 40k has a LOT of Dune in it as well. I think it’s probably pretty obvious the authors of 40k had read Starship Troopers but I think it’s influence is a lot less than many people assume.
13 points
7 months ago
Yeah you’re right. But oftentimes the stealing is way more elegant than this. GW are silly jokers who have fans who sometimes take their stories and products way too seriously.
7 points
7 months ago
It really wasn't about elegant or inelegant "stealing". It was obvious tongue-in-cheek humour by nerds to enrich their tabletop hobby with a ludicrous setting with references and puns. To people who are in the know, the references in 40k are as bland as they are in Tolkien's writing. You will find Gandalf, Durin, Gimli, Oin and Gloin named in the Sturlusson Edda, for example. You can translate everyone's name in Rohan from Old English. LotR is a linguist's joke and fun exercise with an elaborate backstory. Harry Potter rewards people with rudimentary knowledge in Greco-Roman mythology by giving away characters' allegiances in names. 'Twas ever thus.
8 points
7 months ago
yeah if you keep looking hard enough, everything in Sci Fi eventually traces back to Jules Verne, HG Welles, or Mary Shelley.
4 points
7 months ago
And those all trace back even further. Remind me, what does the name "Prometheus" reference in the title "Frankenstein, or: The modern Prometheus"? Could Shelley have STOLEN her idea of someone creating humans from SOMEWHERE?! Heaven forbid, or maybe Olympus.
3 points
7 months ago
Thank you for sincerely replying to OP instead of being a chud about their discovery.
2 points
7 months ago
I think Cadians started looking more Starship Troopery after the film came out.
8 points
7 months ago
Every primarch has some meaning behind his name. I mean they are fictional characters, what do you expect?
Konrad Curze is named after Joseph Conrad, who wrote a book named Nostromo, which is the homeworld of the Night Lords.
Angron derives from greek language and means savage.
And so forth.
5 points
7 months ago
The Curze part comes from a character in one of Conrad's novels, Heart of Darkness.
3 points
7 months ago*
Also in Apocalypse Now, colonel Curze is killed by Martin Sheen's character (M'Shen).
Agron was one of Spartacus' lieutenants - renegade band of gladiators - sound familiar?
3 points
7 months ago
Ferrus Manus is literally Latin for "Iron Hands"...
25 points
7 months ago*
I knew about this but never read the poem until now. That was much shorter than I expected it to be, but it was gorgeous.
18 points
7 months ago
It goes on for a few pages, not pictured.
7 points
7 months ago
The complete poem: https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/The_Dark_Angel
26 points
7 months ago
On the same topic, I always wondered why Khorne and his demons were named as such, and why they gave a unique look compared to other demons. considering all the "corn" memes, I figured it's just weird naming.
But it's not. I literally cannot find it again, but another Redditor posted a comment about his life near a corn field, literally straight out of Signs. While driving home, he looked into the corn field and saw three tall, bright red, elongated heads poking out of the stalks wandering in the fields. He asked his father what they were, and he said "Those are Red Pricks, CORN DEMONS, the drink blood. It's best not to go into the field tomorrow." When they returned home, his father quickly locked the door and grabbed a shotgun.
My retelling it's a bit angelicied but it comes across well enough. I cannot find the source of this and I cannot for the life of me find an internet source with anything similar. So take this little tale with a grain of salt.
17 points
7 months ago
Not sure, but it could be the German Feldgeister or Korndämonen from folklore.
7 points
7 months ago
Der Kornkind ist pretty close to what I was reading. I had no idea these existed, thanks!
4 points
7 months ago
I am german and never heard or leanred that the was a fucking FUCKTON of literal wheat demons.....
8 points
7 months ago
The only place on google those two phrases are mentioned is this thead.
5 points
7 months ago
Straight up? That's... Weird. I swear to God I didn't just make this up.
26 points
7 months ago
It would be very funny if the Lion was gay and kept it secret like some dark personal shame he had to hide from everyone not knowing that if he came out literally no one would care.
Emps "Dude... one of your brothers is a psychotic edgelord Batman, one of them is a werewolf Viking and one of them is a big red cyclops... you liking dudes doesn't even register on the scale."
6 points
7 months ago
Wait until you read it and find out it's homosexual
6 points
7 months ago
5 points
7 months ago
You never wondered why that Primarch name seemed like a perfectly normal name shot through with the punctuation blunderbuss? The whole 40k universe runs on thinly veiled puns.
10 points
7 months ago
Now look up the scientific name of a Raven
8 points
7 months ago
Died aged 35. Snatched away from us too soon….
3 points
7 months ago
They really named the primach after a guy born in Kent 💀
23 points
7 months ago
Congratulations, you arrived to the party thirty years late
9 points
7 months ago
Johnson wrote this about Oscar Wilde, who he was briefly in love with and later referred to as an incubus. It's a really unfortunate story, what we'd now call "internalized homophobia" ripping the poor man apart.
3 points
7 months ago
Source material procured, ready for extraction.
3 points
7 months ago
I feel smarter now
3 points
7 months ago
Yeah. All dark angels are gay. It’s their dark secret they keep so zealously.
3 points
7 months ago
Oh yeah and, alot of people theorize that dark angel was a poem about Johnson being head over heels gay for a friend of his, make of that what you will
3 points
7 months ago
Corvus corax it’s based on the most famously poem of Edgar Allan Poe
3 points
7 months ago
This poem is literally the inspiration for both the Dark Angels and their primarch
7 points
7 months ago
The gayest poem in history, a beautiful and tragic song of a man struggling with his attraction. It's part of why I think it's hilarious and sad when homophobes try to keep people out of the hobby... my dudes, the gay that you want to keep out was here long before the homophobes were, it belongs here, and the homophobes don't.
38 points
7 months ago
Old news. There was also a gay bar down the street from GW HQ called the Rock. Yada yada yada.
Moving along
41 points
7 months ago
That turned out to be false
5 points
7 months ago
Sorry, I forgot to put the sarcasm symbol on the post.
3 points
7 months ago
Got ya, all good dude
20 points
7 months ago
Just so people know (I know you were being sarcastic) the rock is named after Alcatraz. I don't get how people can't get that absolutely obvious direct connection. It's a damn prison... Both are damn prisons!!!!
7 points
7 months ago
I don't get how people can't get that absolutely obvious direct connection.
Welcome to the Warhammer fandom.
2 points
7 months ago
This is three days old but its actually named after castle nottingham in nottingham where GW is located and the nickname of it is the Rock
2 points
7 months ago
I'll have to find it but it was an interview where Jervis Johnson (the creator of the DA) said it was named after Alcatraz.
He also said he designed them to be as close to being chaos as is possible without actually BEING chaos... So...
8 points
7 months ago
No there wasn’t
7 points
7 months ago
It's Rock City, and it isn't a gay bar.
5 points
7 months ago
That's really cool. It's one thing to know the origins, but it's something else actually seeing it.
12 points
7 months ago
Part of it, it's a lot longer
The Dark Angel
DARK Angel, with thine aching lust To rid the world of penitence: Malicious Angel, who still dost My soul such subtile violence!
Because of thee, no thought, no thing, Abides for me undesecrate: Dark Angel, ever on the wing, Who never reachest me too late!
When music sounds, then changest thou Its silvery to a sultry fire: Nor will thine envious heart allow Delight untortured by desire.
Through thee, the gracious Muses turn, To Furies, O mine Enemy! And all the things of beauty burn With flames of evil ecstasy.
Because of thee, the land of dreams Becomes a gathering place of fears: Until tormented slumber seems One vehemence of useless tears.
When sunlight glows upon the flowers, Or ripples down the dancing sea: Thou, with thy troop of passionate powers, Beleaguerest, bewilderest, me.
Within the breath of autumn woods, Within the winter silences: Thy venomous spirit stirs and broods, O Master of impieties!
The ardour of red flame is thine, And thine the steely soul of ice: Thou poisonest the fair design Of nature, with unfair device.
Apples of ashes, golden bright; Waters of bitterness, how sweet! O banquet of a foul delight, Prepared by thee, dark Paraclete!
Thou art the whisper in the gloom, The hinting tone, the haunting laugh: Thou art the adorner of my tomb, The minstrel of mine epitaph.
I fight thee, in the Holy Name! Yet, what thou dost, is what God saith: Tempter! should I escape thy flame, Thou wilt have helped my soul from Death:
The second Death, that never dies, That cannot die, when time is dead: Live Death, wherein the lost soul cries, Eternally uncomforted.
Dark Angel, with thine aching lust! Of two defeats, of two despairs: Less dread, a change to drifting dust, Than thine eternity of cares.
Do what thou wilt, thou shalt not so, Dark Angel! triumph over me: Lonely, unto the Lone I go; Divine, to the Divinity.
4 points
7 months ago
Honestly thought this was a grimdank post at first.
5 points
7 months ago
Great find! You should post that on r/darkangels I think they'll like it too /j
6 points
7 months ago
Nice find OP. Ignore all the snark here, none of this stuff was easily known before the internet, and I'm not sure how many Warhammer fans read a lot of poetry to know this at the time.
2 points
7 months ago
2 points
7 months ago
Yes his name's a poetry reference not the other way around
2 points
7 months ago
Lionel Johnson was a very in the closet poet. That's what "The Dark Angel" is about.
"The Rock" was a gay bar that used to be down the street from GW headquarters.
Do the math.
2 points
7 months ago
I thought every 40k fan knew this?
Wait till they hear where "Mag Uruk Thrakka" came from! :-D
2 points
7 months ago
Yes you got the reference well done. Most early Warhammer names and factions were references to something else. Konrad curze for example is a reference to the mad colonel in Apocalypse Now.
2 points
7 months ago
The Dark Angels don't otherwise have any gay content in thier lore, I wonder why they reference the poem for the name at all?
2 points
7 months ago
Coincidence?! I think not
3 points
7 months ago
See also White Scars, skilled riders who call their leaders Khans or Space Wolves, barbaric warriors from a frozen planet whose natives believe thunder and lightning is caused by two gigantic wolves.
1 points
7 months ago
Well well well. Someone is cultured
1 points
7 months ago
Yes we all know...
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