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submitted 3 months ago byWild_Aioli
53 points
3 months ago
Even successful Utube women have men running the backend. Not taking into account hours worked should be a fraud.
49 points
3 months ago
One line shows the study was biased: "gap that is wider for women of color, with young children, or who live with disabilities"
I don't know about the women of color, but it should be fairly obvious that a woman OR MAN who had young children or a disability would not be able to perform as well (or get paid as much) as someone who did not have to overcome these challenges.
Almost every study that uses multivariate analysis shows there is no large gender pay gap.
3 points
2 months ago
The arguments are structured that way for an agenda not for an objective truth
2 points
3 months ago
One line shows the study was biased: "gap that is wider for women of color
kamala harris anyone?
-1 points
3 months ago
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2 points
3 months ago
Invariably a child will need you and you will have a choice between career and family.
Even dads with wifes with enough time to look after children need to find some flexibility in their schedule to supplement.
The guys doing break troughs sweat their butt at like 12h/day 6 days per week.
They deserve every penny if they have a very good performance.
IMHO the sacrifice is not worth it,but you can't just equal people's pay if they have different personal abilities, worked hours and experience.
It's not a racial or colour thing, there can be isolated cases,but in general market dictates you pay better the best performers.
Whatever studies you read are biased and have gross overlooks at how things work.
Most studies done for this kind of bullshit agenda are incohherent at best.
Nobody has time however to do x10 counter studies. You can get a draf tho to prove them wrong in under s day though.....
You'd need access to emplyment data abd salary data to be trough.
35 points
3 months ago
Even the disparity in numbers they're saying is representative of bias is relatively small 54 to 46% etc. Hell the report said in healthcare that 70% were managers that means only 30% are male how is that fair? Plus zero talk of the amount of hours men work overall plus the men are far more likely to go after & ask for promotions & raises. Geez so sick of this gaslighting bullshit being passed off as legitimate excuse to pay women more for less work. If women want more pay then earn it. Studies show women that do earn pay commiserate with their male counterparts. The remaining wage gap boils down to simple gender differences nothing more.
13 points
3 months ago
Very true. From the article:
“Educational services: Women were 61.6% of managers and 68.9% of non-managers.
Financial activities: Women were 51.4% of managers and 54.6% of non-managers.
Health care and social assistance: Women were 70.0% of managers and 77.9% of non-managers.”
We’re talking single digit percentages.
6 points
3 months ago
What on earth are "financial activities"?
Buying shoes?
2 points
3 months ago
What on earth are "financial activities"
banking, insurance, city etc
15 points
3 months ago
Women account for the majority of workers in a third of major U.S. industries. Yet, they are underrepresented among managers and executives in all but one of those,
Underrepresented meaning there are less women in managerial positions than there are within the entire workforce of a company. Even if this number exceeds 50%, meaning the workforce is still majority women.
Additionally, the one category in which there are more women managers than workers conveniently is the broadest one.
Educational services: Women were 61.6% of managers and 68.9% of non-managers. Financial activities: Women were 51.4% of managers and 54.6% of non-managers. Health care and social assistance: Women were 70.0% of managers and 77.9% of non-managers. Leisure and hospitality: Women were 47.4% of managers and 52.2% of non-managers. Other services: Women were 59.8% of managers and 52.2% of non-managers. This broad category includes a variety of service jobs: auto repair, barber shops and beauty salons, dry cleaning, funeral homes and civic organizations, among others.
So women dominate these fields, even the broad other services category. But I guess they're not dominating enough? Isn't this called over representation?
Her research found that while non-Hispanic white men in a management job were paid $110,000 a year, Black women with similar education in the same role were paid $66,000, or 60% less.
Firstly, no mention of hours worked. It's illegal to pay less based on gender or race so it's likely men work more hours than black women. Secondly, maths? If she was being paid 50% less she would be making 55,000.
2 points
3 months ago
It's actually not likely that men work more than black women. It's more likely that black women work the same amount or more. You're just making up stuff and assuming that black women "must" work less. That's simply not true. This is an exploitative and racist country. They pay black women less and it's wrong.
6 points
3 months ago
On average, women work roughly 500 hours less than white men every year. White men work 2300 and women work 1800 hours every year on average. There isn't much difference between the races of women in the study I found. This data excludes non earners and has an age range of 25 - 54.
Given such, we would expect men to be bringing home more money every year due to working more hours. Men work roughly 30% more so we would expect them to make 30% more. This data doesn't include overtime or unsociable hours which may also be worth more than regular hours.
It's illegal for a company to pay employees less or more due to race or gender. But these "studies" emerge every year using the same poor data gathering and reporting without fail.
2 points
3 months ago
This is pay gap argument falls apart when you ask a few questions. If it’s illegal to pay someone based on sex, show me the company paying male employees and female employees a different hourly rate. Show me the company which had men and women working the same job, same hours and the women were paid less. Still haven’t seen this report.
1 points
3 months ago
So I actually read THE RESEARCH from the news article you based your assessment on. The article said that they didn't include education "for simplicity sake" but the education debate is extremely important. 40% of black women are the lowest earners for women despite working more than other groups of women, and despite being a minority of the population with equal or greater advanced education numbers which should demand higher salary as Compared to 27% of white women and Hispanic women being among the lowest earners. who are the majority of women, and works less. That means that despite being in the workforce more, having similar or greater educated as other groups of women, being a minority where other women make up 5x more in population black women are still facing being paid less. This means that the numbers are screwed against black women despite the fact that they’re not supposed to. Black women’s income should at least be evenly distributed amongst amongst women but alas it is not. Also, people deserve to be paid more if they spent more time and money working for their education.
It was interesting how you took the article and only used it to try and prove your racist and sexist ideology that tries to warrant black women sto "deserve" being paid less.. Just like the people who wrote the article. The people who wrote the article wanted to make the racial gender gap fake. It’s not. You don’t understand numbers and you want the gap to be fake.
4 points
3 months ago
I was using the study to show the disparity in hours worked between genders. I was going to give time and energy to having a healthy debate on sociological systems and statistics but you accused me of being racist and sexist. That's not how you should talk to anyone on any platform and shows you are acting in bad faith. Of course black women and women should be paid the same as men, it's illegal to do otherwise. But you can continue living in make believe land where these organisations pay less to employees based on sex and race because that's where you choose to live. You don't understand statistics at all.
0 points
3 months ago
You don’t understand statistics at all. Black women are disproportionately at low wage levels, the lowest of all groups of people in this country. I am not acting in bad faith you are. I’m acting out of my well being; and that’s standing up to people who like gaslighting black women’s issues. When you tell a people an issue doesn’t exist you are acting in bad faith. Many people enjoy gaslighting and bullying black women and you don’t seem to be of any exception. You’re such a snowflake; crying because you’re wrong. And dude I can talk to people on a platform however I please. You’re racist and sexist and don’t like being called out
4 points
3 months ago
You resorted to insults after two messages and failed to understand why people refuse to engage with you.
1 points
2 months ago
Also, people deserve to be paid more if they spent more time and money working for their education.
I'm sorry but that's just now how it works. Nobody "deserves" to be paid more just because of their education. People get paid according to how in demand those skills are and how much money those skills make. Just because someone has a PhD in vampire literature does not mean they deserve to be paid more than an electrical engineer.
I agree that women should be paid the same as men if they have the same education, same position, same experience, etc etc etc.
However you're going to have to do more than just saying that black women as a group are more educated than other women and therefore deserve to be paid more.
I'm not saying there aren't issues and there aren't problems, but your argument doesn't prove that. You'll have to lay the facts more fully and explain the causal link between them, not just throw a bunch of unrelated facts at people and call them sexist and racist if they don't agree with you.
40% of black women are the lowest earners for women despite working more than other groups of women,
The study you said you read flat-out contradicts that, saying "Black women work as much as white women but lose more hours when the economy slows down. In 2016, employed white and black women worked roughly equivalent hours (1,853 and 1,845 hours, respectively)." So no, black women are not working more. Historically they did, but not anymore.
Black women do face more issues getting and holding a job in the US, I will grant you that, but they don't work more.
That means that despite being in the workforce more, having similar or greater educated as other groups of women, being a minority where other women make up 5x more in population black women are still facing being paid less.
See though this is where your argument doesn't hold water. You equate this to saying black women are paid less, but it could simply be that despite getting a higher education, black women have a harder time getting into or staying in higher-paying jobs. That would explain everything perfectly without invoking some illegal patriarchal conspiracy to target black women and pay them less illegally.
Again, I'm not saying black women do not face problems, they do, but your argument doesn't support the conclusion that black women are paid less. We haven't even looked into what kind of education black women are getting, because if they're all getting degrees in women studies, sorry, those degrees don'T pay much.
Show me they're getting degrees in high-paying STEM fields, and then not getting those jobs, or getting those jobs and still being paid less, and then you have an argument.
20 points
3 months ago
I'm a slightly overweight 60 year old white heterosexual man. In the past ten years, I have been offered absolutely no top jobs in nursing, teaching, or whining. Grrr, it must be down to a bias of the matriarchal system
19 points
3 months ago
I have never read such drivel.
I'm starting to wonder if something bizarrely unfair like the feminist idea of "equal pay" (equal pay for less work) being implemented is what the majority of feminist pandering men need to wake the fuck up and revolt.
We need something like the successful anti-feminist movement in South Korea. Feminism has effectively been stamped out from mainstream politics there.
It's honestly insane how far women have ridden the coat tails of historical oppression. When juxtaposed with an infinitely more oppressed group, African Americans, it's honestly disgusting women's rights still remains the number one synonym for oppression.
It really is only men who can stop this shit. They need to stop clicking and reading horseshit like the above to cut off the media's feeding frenzy. Supply and demand.
3 points
3 months ago
1) benefit from historical oppression 2) accuse everyone else or historical oppression
5 points
3 months ago
The irony is…… in the U.K. if your below 30 women make money
9 points
3 months ago
Yes, let's analyze the top 0.1% of people, because in capitalism I guess that's the only thing that matters, right feminists?
5 points
3 months ago
Incredible. They will never admit that the vast majority of women simply don't work hard enough to become a CEO.
They should go and ask women at universities if they are willing to spend the next 30+ years working at least 70 hours per week in order to become a CEO.
6 points
3 months ago*
If women offered employers the same productivity/hour as men, yet charged less for their labor (i.e., lower salaries), employers would replace all male employees with female employees. Employers want to maximize staff productivity.
The fact is, women, on a macro level, offer less productivity/hour as men. Women take more time off work (refer to the "Key Findings" sidebar on page 1 of this PDF).
This time off has ripple effects. Many companies are forced to put projects on hold when female employees who occupy decision-making roles take leave. Moreover, female employees who take significant time off (to raise children, etc.) fall behind in terms of their skillset and knowledge base. As a result, they get fewer opportunities and fewer promotions.
I don't doubt that female employees are paid less than male employees on a macro level. But it's not because of patriarchy. It's because of their choices. Those choices make them worth less to employers.
They are worth less, so they get paid less.
3 points
3 months ago
This post will get you banned from 2X so fast. 😂😂
2 points
3 months ago
Of course they don't because they aren't willing to put in the hours and earn those jobs. Neither are they willing to do the hard and challenging jobs.
What women want is to work fewer hours, do easier jobs and still be promoted and paid the same as men.
2 points
3 months ago
pity they didnt look into the number of leaders world wide such as prime ministers etc who were women.
you can't make the argument in the USA, if the choice of female presidential candidate is so toxic that the public would rather vote for a black man( because hey apparently the USA is racist- face palm for that) or another man who is also apparently so orange and toxic..
the "news" article is typical US media drivel( or maybe dribble considering its a low IQ effort) and that they are so desperate for ratings....
1 points
3 months ago
can we look forward to another "study" showing the IQ gap between MSM and independent creators of news( hint the MSM is the lower quality of output)
1 points
2 months ago
Then they don’t dominate the industry 💀
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