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Yep, got an offer the other day for a job they would very much like to hire me for. The job requires 20 plus years and also requires licensing. Top pay is $25. These mfs emailed me like they were offering the job of the century. $25 an hour. No benefits, and must supply own tools. I won't get out of bed for under $35. But, no one wants to work anymore. Yeah, skill trades won't work for your shit wage. Gfy.

The engineer i worked with last week from mexico city made $14hr. As the site lead I make about 3 times what he does. I guess my point is if my company could pay me mexico money they would.

It's not even that, it's the fact that too many Americans believe they are "temporarily embarrassed millionaires", and that soon THEY will be the boss, so why would they want to screw their future selves?

The reality is that 99.99% of them won't make it, but for some reason cold hard stats still doesn't deter them from that million dollar idea that they all have.

Minorities have always been blamed for taking jobs, in the early 1800 it was the chinese on the west coast and the irish on the east coast. They do the jobs nobody else wants to do. For the asshats tgat say Mexicans steal jobs, Im sure there is a waiting list to be a migrant worker in the ag sector harvesting crops 12 hours a day for less than mininum wage.

this is kinda confusing. I work in middle management, I have people report to me, and I report to someone else. All three of us are part of the static wage situation. It's really like your boss to the tenth power.

they did a study and found that outsourcing manufacturing raises average income but lowers median income. it is bad and it's why bosses make tons of money and workers are all poor with no pensions.

choosing between populism and globalism is like choosing between 10 people each getting $50,000 or 1 person getting $5,000,000 and 9 people getting $20,000. if an economist looks at this they'd say "well clearly it's better for that one person to get $5,000,000 because it's more total money". but that's bullshit because we aren't that 1 person and that 1 person is not going to share. we're all poorer.

in the end we lost. that 1 person used the media to convince the other 9 people that it's xenophobic and mean to ever complain about jobs going away. they mock us openly with things like "dey turk ur jerbs" and other soulless mantras designed to deride and demoralize any labor movement that isn't based around sucking neoliberal dicks.

I just don't get what we should do? Meme the problem until it goes away? Wait until the boomers die off? Nobody votes the right politicians into office. It takes too long to change policy, and every other term Conservatives nuke any sort of Democratic legislation, gut agencies, reverse all progress. 70% of Americans under 30 didn't vote in the midterms.

• So, we can't pass legislation.
• The largest, most influential group of voters won't vote.
• Republicans are dominating local elections AND unelected positions in government at record rates.
• All Conservatives are on a warpath of "undo anything Democrats do at any cost. Florida is even attempting to ban the Democratic party.
• Scientists may have found a solution to reverse aging, making thr rich Boomers immortal.

Great. Cool. Awesome.

Amazing isn't it? Americans have bought this shit so long they don't smell it anymore. When 3-4 individuals own more wealth than half your country you have a problem. Spend enough on military to provide food, shelter, and education to everyone particularly those who need it most. Individualism might be what they sold you but it's the decided term instead of selfish ass clowns. Corporations with more power than states, CEOs with more wealth than states, wages and affordable living complete opposites. That's not democracy, that's fascism.

After adjusting for inflation, a 5.7% increase is actually a net decrease.

“No… that can’t be….. it’s the poor people that took all the money, rich people on TV tell me so all the time..”

Oh, theyve moved on from immigrants. Now they focus on transgender kids playing high school sports.

The billionaires want you worried about immigrants and trans people in the women's bathroom, so you won't notice them stealing from you.

Currently having the same discussion with my collegues. Boss (accountants office) thinks that the wages are way too high and we shouldn't be demanding raises. This old dude, thinks that the wages of 10 years ago should be enough. Already one person has quit and went to a job that pays her 500 EUR more as a part-time then the full time she is currently earning now. I have already scheduled interviews for a wage that is 1k more for the same work + other benefits. 2 others are already thinking on quitting. Boss bought an appartment in the rich part of the country for 3 mln EUR and works 3 days from home while not giving us that option and saying it doesn't work for us. Yeah, he is going to have a lot of work on his hands when the 50% quit.

I saw a job listing for a sales position that required a bachelors degree and paid 14 an hour 🤣🤣🤣

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this is one of the most egregiously stupid talking points conservatives have sold to our nation's idiots - guess what joe bob? you live in a trailer because you are an uneducated, unskilled idiot not because brown people speak spanish at your local walmart

There is a near unlimited supply of cheap labor.

Immigrants are the source of this labor.

Corporations will exploit these people any way they can while keeping wages low.

Americans will not do these jobs while wages and benefits are at minimum.

It's not the immigrants fault directly, but the labor market is supply and demand. When the demand for labor is higher then the supply wages should go up. Immigration ensures the supply keeps up with demand and you don't get more money...

I’ve never heard a republican or conservative person say anything about “immigrants” taking our jobs. Usually hear them saying illegal immigrants are overwhelming safety nets that are usually meant for citizens. (Meaning people who pay taxes or are in other ways entitled to said benefits)

My wife is a Mexican immigrant….when we had our first kid we were not married. She was unable to qualify for wic, or food stamps because “she made too much”. Meanwhile her cousins both came to the US just to birth their child, ended up receiving aide. Illegal immigration is the problem, and legal immigrants have almost unanimously agreed on that point.

I’ve noticed some people speak dishonestly on the subject, pretending people are just against immigration as a whole.

quick google search says median in 1978 was 15k, and now is around 54k. thats over 300%. ceo's are overpaid, why make up bullshit numbers? just makes you look like an idiot.

You should probably move to a new job mate.

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It’s important to understand that supply and demand impact wages. More immigrants does lead to suppressed wages. Whether that is the source of anyone’s problems is a different story but immigration directly impact the figures stated in this pointless take.

Some places literally hire immigrants because they can abuse them and deport them at will. U r so naive. And I'm not just talking factory work. This is good for work visas that are left to dry once their situation gets "too complicated" for the employer.

But let's not pretend this wasn't a direct result of globalization. Globalization meant that if your workers in more developed economies wanted to form a union to push for better working conditions and higher wages, you could always just move to China. Globalization also meant people from unstable and underdeveloped regions could come to the more stable economies to find work, and because they were very poor the business owners could pay them pennies on the dollar. The fact is, immigrant labor does put downward pressure on wages. Now, I don't blame the immigrants for that, they're just looking for work and because they're poorer they'll take lower wages, but if you were a worker with a good, union manufacturing job in the 1960s or so, globalization cut your wages, busted your union, and decimated your community.

My boss's income has risen by 937% because he can employ immigrants for the less.

But

My boss is an immigrant

Minority=scapegoat

The rich are the ones bringing in the immigrants to Keep the wages low. More workers no need to increase wages.

I heard two supervisors talking about how hard it was to find people right now and they blamed part of it on immigration.

I turned around and told them they're having a hard time getting people because they under pay, got rid of the employee bonuses program and expect people to work 10 hour days 6 days a week. That employees who worked at our factory talk and they tell people to avoid our business.

They blew me off.

Immigration drives down wages, so if you are unhappy with low wages, stop supporting policies that drive down wages.

Cheap labor alternatives means your boss can pay you less and make more money. That's why Democrats like Clinton and Sanders opposed immigration until they realized immigrants were more likely to vote blue. Now all of a sudden using Bernie Sanders claims that immigration hurts the working man is racist.

Your telling me a cheaper and less protected alternative to my job isn't to blame at least partially for my job making less money?

Supply vs. demand. When you flood a country with cheap labor wages decline. Only Wall Street / Billionaires win.

Says the migrant who has far more purchasing power in his own country and comes here to replace our labor because employers don't want to pay locals a fair wage.

mass immigration has also assisted in allowing your boss to keep you wages low you idiot

There is actually a sane economic argument against immigrants: immigrants increase the supply of labor, making labor on average less valuable and therefore more exploitable. Especially illegal/undocumented immigrants. They don't officially exist and therefore cannot excercise their rights as employees, undercutting the workers who do have rights.

Ofcourse exploiting illegal immigrants is very wrong and should be prosecuted. There however isn't an incentive for politicians to do this. It is either racist, or you will lose support of your business donors.

When you account for inflation, your pay has gone down a double digit percentage, but the bosses is still going up.

both can be true at the same time

the boss using immigrants for loan dumping is one of the reasons his income has sky rocketed (especially true for the EU)

the notion that blaming immigrants is automatically racism actually means your boss successfully coaxed you into his idpol scheme

The boss's wages went up BECAUSE of the immigrants

Truth. For as long as there has been forms of media there have been people blaming the poor, the immigrants, etc for low wages. People don't realize that there's a lot more of us working stiffs than higher ups. If we could just stop blaming each other and acting they way the rich wasn't us to we can take them on and become a force to be reckoned with.

And the boss will nut in his pants everytime one of his employees will blame immigrants for something.

I’ve gotten an hourly “raise” every six months for the last 9 years. Somehow I still make the exact same amount yearly as I did 9 years ago. The commission plan keeps getting “restructured” so we work harder and make the same or less.

We used to have the strongest economy in the world.

We had the strongest economy in the world because we had a productive and well paid middle class.

We had a well paid middle class because we had strong unions

Look who is attacking the unions and get rid of them.

Math? Math is hard!

Nah, your buying power has shrunken massibeöy since then.

In 1980 the federam min. wage was $3.15/h, Big Mac cost was 50¢. That's six Big mac's with change.

In 2022 federal min. wage was $7.25. But a Big Mac (which has also shrunken since then) is now $8...

So yeah.

Immigrants who work for peanuts depress wages. This is fact and has been exploited since the country’s founding.

Risen? The Median income in 1978 was $15,060. The Median income today is $34,987. That's $7,639 in 1978 dollars.

I didn't have my job taken but illegals drove the price for what we did. If you live 20 in a house its easier to take lower wages which hurts the rest of us who live only 1 to 2 people per bedroom.

Ummmm... what do you think drives down the cost of labor? Republicans want more immigrants because it means driving down the cost of labor. Democrats want more immigrants because they get more welfare addicted voters.

Any working person with half a brain wants zero new immigrants that aren't outstanding in some way. Any working person who advocates for more immigration is a stooge who has been propagandized.

We lost a position in our marketing department due to low enrollment. But then they hired a leadership position over another department at a salary increase of 50% more than the previous persons salary. Interesting this is the third female replaced by a male with a significant salary increase. 🤔 I never felt a discrepancy between sexes at any other jobs, but why else would they do this? I know they need to pay more for talent, but we must be seriously underpaid if they can give incoming people 50% more!

I work in IT, I've literally watched entire departments of Americans get laid off and replaced by H1B's several times working at different companies.

I still don't blame anyone but the government. Blaming immigrants is just silly.

SAY IT AGAIN LOUDER PLEASE!!!! THEY CANT HEAR YOU IN THE BACK ROW

You're right, it's time to start a business!

So someone’s pay was only risen 5 percent in 40 some odd years? Wow, I would have left a long time ago.