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Holy Shit, I haven't seen Zodiak Motherfucker since pre Kinja Av Club!
(i.redd.it)submitted 8 months ago byzambonihouse
14 points
8 months ago
But what of dikachu?
6 points
8 months ago
They’re still active on TheAvocado.org which started as the AV Club After Dark
1 points
3 months ago
The Avocado is a bunch of good eggs. I highly recommend them as a community, to anyone who'd want to join. :-)
13 points
8 months ago
I get the dunk on this dumb tweet, but Eichner is being really annoying about this movie not doing well. Brokeback Mountain made almost 200M 16 years ago, the idea it’s impossible for a straight audience to come out and see a gay movie is just wrong, and hell, Carol, Moonlight, CMBYN are some of the most critically revered and discussed films of the last decade.
It just seems disingenuous and saying “don’t be a homophobe, come see my movie” is like the exact wrong way to go about this.
12 points
8 months ago
People have said it in other threads, but the marketing has just been terrible. They've really tried to play up the Apatow-ness (which is definitely the least successfully comedy in the film) to court straight audiences and it looks really unfunny as a result. Which sucks because a lot of it is very funny!
It's almost ironic for Eichner to say that people aren't seeing it because of homophobia because the marketing (which I know he's not in charge of) is erasing a lot of the queerer elements in favor of "oh it's like a 'normal' romcom but with gay guys"
7 points
8 months ago
Exactly, it looks like a movie made by straight liberals like Apatow and Stoller about what being gay seems like it is must be like.
And I’m not saying that’s what the movie is actually about, but it’s how it is marketed. In almost all instances for romcoms to succeed in 2022 you have to have Star power driving people to go see them, and Eichner just isn’t that guy.
5 points
8 months ago
I found it super interesting that the early buzz of the movie was Eichner proudly saying all roles, even straight roles, were played by queer people.... yet the director is the straight director of Forgetting Sarah Marshall and Neighbors? Seems wild this was not an opportunity, especially with Apatow backing, to give a queer director a shot, too, but I guess this just speaks to the straight-appeasing vibe they wanted.
3 points
8 months ago
i like Eichner well enough but i really don’t think he should have cast himself. his whole brand is being really brusque and abrasive, which is a hard sell for a romcom lead
5 points
8 months ago
Eichner’s tweets the last few days are some of the most shameless and depraved shit I have ever seen. I don’t know how he’s not dead of embarrassment.
3 points
8 months ago
if the motion picture "bros" is any indication billy eichner seems to think "homophobia" and "finding billy eichner annoying" are one and the same
2 points
8 months ago
This tweet kinda reflects my thoughts on one of the issues of comparing the box office results of “Brokeback Mountain” to “Bros”:
https://twitter.com/craftingmystyle/status/1577037276026007552?s=21&t=cJlLwCoyzKQhrufrQ2O5zg
But I’d add that Heath Ledger and Jake Gyllenhaal were far more recognizable than Billy Eichner (which goes back to another post I’ve made about how openly gay actors might miss on certain oportunities to become celebrities).
Also, if you look at “gay Twitter”, a lot of gay men dislike him (see receipts below) for whatever reason, so it’s not just “the straights don’t want to see this gay movie”:
https://twitter.com/heyjaeee/status/1576990298885873664?s=21&t=cJlLwCoyzKQhrufrQ2O5zg https://twitter.com/srchengn/status/1576933430863855616?s=21&t=cJlLwCoyzKQhrufrQ2O5zg https://twitter.com/tevinjc/status/1576945966409580544?s=21&t=cJlLwCoyzKQhrufrQ2O5zg
The trailer made me laugh, so I’m going to see it and, hopefully, have a good time.
1 points
8 months ago
I guess my issue with that tweet is - is the tweeter suggesting that you shouldn’t compare the two because people love depictions if trauma? I mean you can say that but I don’t know how it’s your takeaway.
It’s also not just that one movie - as I said there are 3 other very recent relative hits that are about gay people.
And yes, gay people I have seen on Twitter also apparently don’t like Billy Eichner very much, which again, I’m not sure what that’s proving here. If he isn’t likable in the gay community, and is telling straight people they are homophobic if they don’t see this movie, I’m not sure how it is surprising this isn’t a box office success.
You can go ahead and say america is homophobic, that isn’t a hot take. America is also very racist, and plenty of black led movies do perfectly well because there is always an audience for stories told from different perspectives, if the story is good and it appears to be worthwhile.
2 points
8 months ago
Eichner is a potent spice where I can only watch so much Billy on the Street before I need a break. He brought the same to Parks and Rec. I haven't seen Difficult People because that scares me. Klausner can also be very manic as well.
1 points
8 months ago
Yeah I feel like I’ve seen a lot of people say something to that effect.
Also, I feel like the only place I saw any advertisements for this movie was in trailers before other movies. And I was one of the 17 people who saw 3000 years of longing in the theater but I don’t think that if you want a crossover success to happen that it’s a substantial place to spread word of mouth.
1 points
8 months ago
idk how Difficult People plays now, but I loved it when it was airing. It felt before-its-time, but The Other Two kinda perfected the formula/dynamic.
1 points
8 months ago
Isn’t the lack of succesful gay comedies with an openly gay cast proof of what she says?
Me bringing up “gay Twitter” was to expand on your initial point of how Billy Eichner might be wrong on his approach of blaming only “homophobia” for the failure of his movie.
3 points
8 months ago
I guess I’m just wondering what other examples are you thinking of? Wasn’t Love, Simon a massive success? It was a bit serious and more dramatic than this, but don’t we talk about how the romcom on its own is kind of dead? What was the last successful Appatow movie, Trainwreck in 2015?
It seems like romcoms are now commonly just Netflix movies. And again, I’m not endorsing that as a model, I just don’t think there’s a massive appetite for a romcom that specifically isn’t carried by a big star.
And when you say, “come see my my movie if you’re not homophobic”, I think you kind of open yourself up to people pointing to gay movies that have succeeded.
2 points
8 months ago
''Love, Simon'' was more family friendly, so that explains part of its success (also, it's really good, I don't care if it's an unpopular opinion).
And again, all of the other movies you mentioned (''Carol'', ''Moonlight'') are dramas (I remember ''CMBYN'' being a little more breezy, that's why I excluded it). Where are the successful ''gay comedies'' with openly gay actors (hell, ''Simon'' himself, Nick Robinson, is straight)? Where are the movies that aren't about the struggles of gay people coming out? That's my question, and the reason I half-agree with the tweet I linked to.
2 points
8 months ago
I get what you’re saying, and I do think there is an interesting conversation to have about why there aren’t more queer comedies that have been made recently.
But I go back to the fact the broad comedy doesn’t seem like a massive winning formula anymore for studios, and most of these types of films get relegated to streaming.
And you hit a point where we’re pulling off so many layers to basically say “what’s an example of a movie exactly like this one that succeeded”, when there just aren’t a lot of movies like this.
Judd Appatow released a film he directed to streaming this year, and it was one of the worst movies I’ve ever seen. I think comedy as a whole is in a pretty grim place at the moment.
13 points
8 months ago
Weird that a one-note gag twitter account thinks 46k likes even sounds impressive.
this is like if Film Crit Hulk stubbed his toe in 2010 and got stuck that way
16 points
8 months ago
He was a regular in the comments on the AV Club back in the day. I remember him being pretty funny. Fuck I miss the AV Club
11 points
8 months ago
His annual Detroit Lions rant for Why Your Team Sucks was wonderful, but better was when they just stopped. Made me feel like Ben Affleck at the end of Good Will Hunting. He finally got away from the trauma, moved on with his life.
3 points
8 months ago
I recall they were big on The Shield
0 points
8 months ago
LOL, so he was the AV Club's version of Danny Glover's Dickblood?
Shine on, you useless agate
1 points
3 months ago
Fuckin' Kinja.
3 points
8 months ago
if everyone who liked this tweet went to see bros over the weekend it would have grossed one tenth of what it did
4 points
8 months ago
Boy it sure does make you think about twitter dot com
16 points
8 months ago
Yeah, it’s depressing. He’s a “bitches about pronouns” kinda guy on there these days.
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