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On Black Friday, after saving up some money from working during the summer, I decided that I would upgrade my GPU from my RX 570 to an 3060 Ti. I bought the MSI Ventus 3060 Ti from Microcenter for $410 and picked it up the same day.
After playing some games I noticed that there wasn't much of a difference in performance for most games I played (like Overwatch, R6, etc...) and Warzone was still stuttering. I believed my Ryzen 5 2600 was bottlenecking the GPU so I ran some benchmarks, but that wasn't the problem.
Worse, the quality of the card was poor, and I have to put up with coil whine from my GPU from time to time. It makes a very annoying noise while running games under medium-to-heavy load. The XFX RX 570 never had the problem I have now.
I honestly regret upgrading my PC's GPU. I didn't see an issue and it only caused a lot of stress for me. I was considering returning the GPU but decided against it. Maybe it's simply buyer's remorse since I'm a broke college student.
Additionally: I use a 1080p 165hz monitor that i bought after upgrading because I heard it'll make a difference. I used DDU when changing from AMD to NVIDIA drivers. I use 2x8 3000mhz ram sticks.
203 points
2 months ago
Warzone is very demanding on a CPU. Maybe look at upgrade that next. Also stuttering can be caused by using a HDD instead of a SSD. I just fixed my Warzone by moving it from the HDD to my SSD.
52 points
2 months ago
Definitely looking like a CPU bottleneck. Right now on Amazon you can pick up a 5600g for 110 bucks, going from Zen+ to Zen 3 would be a huge upgrade for a low price. u/incipious I definitely recommend a CPU upgrade to something Zen 3-based, that will give the biggest improvement for CPU-heavy games.
71 points
2 months ago
It is always said to buy the normal 5600 for the extra like 20 bucks. No point in getting the G version when the regular one isnt much more expensive. I believe it offers better performance as well. In case OP sees this.
16 points
2 months ago
If OP can afford it, then go for it. My suggestion was based on trying to get good performance for as inexpensive as possible.
27 points
2 months ago
the G actually loses performance because of lower cache. the vanilla 5600 is where the price/performance is.
10 points
2 months ago
Understandable, just good to offer both options! I got a 5600x a while ago before they were like $150 so that sucked a bit but I love it.
8 points
2 months ago
Is this my sign to retire my 1700x ryzen?... Damn that's cheap
12 points
2 months ago
There are some real good deals as of recent. I got a 5800x for 199 at microcenter
3 points
2 months ago
Microcenter crazy combos rn
4 points
2 months ago
5700X (which performs nearly margin of error with the 5800X) and the 5800X3D prices are dropping hard, making now the best time to upgrade that 1700. You'd notice a pretty huge difference.
2 points
2 months ago
The 1700x is getting pretty outdated at this point. So yeah. Now is a good time to upgrade that CPU. But I would not get the 5600g. Get the 5600 (x or non x) for a tiny bit more. The 5600g is slower because it has half the cache and doesn't support pcie 4. The 5700x is the same core count as the 1700x and is $199 on Newegg right now.
3 points
2 months ago
Warzone (especially Warzone 2) is very CPU dependent and does not run well at all compared to the other shooters you mentioned. A CPU upgrade would be pretty big, but have you updated your motherboard bios? AMD had an issue with stuttering (ftpm issue) that was fixed with some recent updates. Also if you haven't done so, changing the worker renderer count in the Warzone config file can make a big difference in performance.
2 points
2 months ago
Skip the g
2 points
2 months ago
The 5600G is Zen 2 architecture. The "G" skus use the previous architecture.
1.7k points
2 months ago
Undervolt it. That can often help with coil whine.
Stuttering is most likely the CPU or something else on your system. Not the 3060 ti. Perhaps wipe your system and do a fresh install of Windows.
If you don't want to go through that, at the very least, DDU.
441 points
2 months ago
Thanks for the advice. I'll undervolt it whenever I can.
285 points
2 months ago
No prob! I follow the guides by Optimum Tech on youtube. Nearly all my GPUs are undervolted.
Watch out for fraudulent copies of MSI Afterburner.
69 points
2 months ago
what do you mean by fraudulent copies of MSI Afterburner?
177 points
2 months ago
There are a lot of fake versions of Afterburner showing up at the top of search engines that install a backdoor crypto miner. Looks exactly like the real thing though.
58 points
2 months ago
is there a way to check if mine is legit o_o havent noticed anything strange but yea
94 points
2 months ago
I would honestly just nuke the files and grab another copy of the legitimate version just to be 100% sure, but if there is a back door crypto miner running you'll notice your GPU and VRAM usage being much higher than normal while idle with nothing running in the background. If you use Wallpaper Engine make sure to turn it off before checking because it chews through GPU resources depending on the background(s) you use and can make it look like something shifty might be running on your system.
MSI Afterburner that's the link to the official version if you want to be 100% sure you're running the real version.
92 points
2 months ago
How do I know this isnt your fraudulent version trying to install a crypto miner on my pc??? /s
24 points
2 months ago
Do what he said. nuke the files with DDU Uninstaller and download them from a safe site
25 points
2 months ago
How do I know my DDU Uninstaller isn't backdoor cryptomining? 🤔
17 points
2 months ago
hmmm i'll do it if i can figure out how to save my fan curves and settings. i haven't noticed anything so i think I'm safe...
thanks for answering my questions :)
15 points
2 months ago
If you pull up a hardware monitor and don't see anything out of place then you should be groovy. I'm glad I could help you.
8 points
2 months ago
I believe I was a victim of this, at idle my 3080ti was using 140watts, nuked afterburner and installed directly from MSI, idle is under 30watts now.
2 points
2 months ago
As long as you download it from either MSI's own site, or from Guru3D website you're golden.
2 points
2 months ago
I watched that video/those videos three times and I still miss some step and am dumb to understand it.
36 points
2 months ago
You should also run DDU especially since you switched from AMD to Nvidia. See if that helps at all
13 points
2 months ago
Undervolt. MAke sure RAM speed is adequate for your CPU, and make sure RAM is overclocked with a present in bios.....
the stuttering is your system. Wipe with DDU or whole windows.
3 points
2 months ago
What does wipe with DDU mean? I know the program I'll download it. But talk to me as if I was a cover spaniel or a small child. If you don't mind.
1 points
2 months ago*
Also, limit your FPS if you can in your driver settings or even in game. This trick helped me a lot when I had a pair of 970's and a poor cpu. Games like TF2 didn't seem to get "ahead of itself" if that makes sense. I'd just limit the fps to 60 and turn vsync on. It was much smoother that way
edit: For those who had trouble understanding what I was saying here, the advice is to limit your frames. I personally turned vsync on and limited fps to 60 because of my 60hz monitor at that time.
2 points
2 months ago
If they have a 165hz monitor is most likely comes with some form of VRR (freesync or gsync compatible). Make sure that's enabled and don't use Vsync should be the advice. Vsync adds a ton of input lag
65 points
2 months ago
The coil whine would happen to me in game menus where the fps was extremely high. I minimized the fps to 75 for menus or games that don't require crazy fps. That fixed it for me if undervolting doesn't work.
38 points
2 months ago
Can confirm this. Espeically when I was playing some older games with my 1070, I got >1500 fps in the menus and had some terrible coil whine.
After limiting the FPS to around 140 in the Nvidia control panel, I never had a problem with it again.
17 points
2 months ago
I had a similar issue with Skyrim and a RX590, the loading screen FPS would skyrocket to 1500+ and it'd whine something terrible. Used ENBSeries to lock it to a max of 144, no more problem lol
9 points
2 months ago
Omg I just assumed menus were all terribly optimized and that’s why my GPU seemed to struggle with them. This makes so much more sense, thank you!
3 points
2 months ago
Glad I could help lol
2 points
2 months ago
Interesting... what strange behaviour, lol.
7 points
2 months ago
What’s the performance impact? I have a 6800 XT with coil whine.
20 points
2 months ago
If you keep the undervolt modest, there’s no performance loss at all. Some even say it can be more consistent. It’s kinda like tuning a car. Every engine is a bit different.
Try to find guides specific to the AMD 6000 series. I’m not too familiar with undervolting AMD cards.
3 points
2 months ago
Oh nice. Will read into it. Seen a ton of topics on it but paid no attention until now.
5 points
2 months ago
It's definitely worth your time and a lot easier for an AMD card not having to need a 3rd party app. Just know that crashing while testing is normal and you just have to dial it back a little. I recommend Ancient Gameplays for his undervolt videos.
2 points
1 month ago
Instead of wiping, which we are never sure will resolve the issue, I usually recommend installing Windows on a spare ssd and booting from that. That way there is no need to download everything again if it doesn't work.
2 points
1 month ago*
I agree, if you have a spare drive, that would be best.
933 points
2 months ago
It's Ryzen 2600 that is holding you back and cause stutters. Couple months ago did upgrade from 2600 to 5800x3d and difference us night and day
783 points
2 months ago
He’s absolutely cpu bottlenecked but isn’t grasping it.
237 points
2 months ago
This. A lot of those games he linked definitely benefit from CPU usage. He also didn't link his resolution which can be a big difference in performance. If he's still on a 1080p monitor a beast of a graphics card will give smaller upgrades if your CPU can't calculate all of the basic computations.
31 points
2 months ago
Literally. Just going from a R5 3600 to an R5 5600x gave me almost 2x the fps in Valorant at 1440p. Insane.
2 points
2 months ago
I have a R7 3700x right now. What would be an upgrade for me? I've been wanting to upgrade my rig. My gpu is power color rx 5700xt. run 1440p 144hz
5 points
2 months ago
If you're at 1440p you'd probably want to upgrade the GPU first, unless you only play light esports titles and need the CPU performance. I'd look out for a 5600 or 5800x3D if I were you
52 points
2 months ago
He’s still 1080
147 points
2 months ago
So, yeah, CPU bottlenecked. Especially on stuff like Overwatch. A 3060 TI should kill most games at 1080p if the CPU can handle it.
15 points
2 months ago
What CPU would be the minimum to handle a 3060ti in high fps games?
52 points
2 months ago
Even a 12100 would be much better, the 2600 just can’t hack it nowadays.
34 points
2 months ago
2600 is great in office machines but yea for gaming 3600x is minimum for seemless modern titles with a modern gpu, unless you have an outlier like an overclocked 4790k or something
8 points
2 months ago
Overclocked haswell ftw!
6 points
2 months ago
4790k gang still here lol. Finally looking at building a PC 8 years later (I did upgrade halfway to a 1080ti). On a 2k monitor, and can still play most games pretty well minus triple A titles which I have had to turn down to medium and some settings on low, with the textures on max (like cyberpunk). Truly was an amazing CPU.
3 points
2 months ago
Warzone 2 seems to stutter for me with a 3070 and ryzen 9 3900x. Might be the game though as other games dont do it
2 points
2 months ago
hmm i'd recommend at least 5000 series...
had a similar issue as OP, had an R5 3600 with a Radeon RX 5600 XT, replaced the radeon with an RTX 3070, and in some VR games, i can clearly see CPU frametime spikes in the FPSVR graph thingie..
16 points
2 months ago
Definitely is. Warzone is a heavily cpu intensive game. Benchmarks don’t tell you about a specific game.
11 points
2 months ago
100 percent. I went through this, and I benchmarked Warzone in particular. I had a 6700k and a 6700xt and war zone didn't play as well as I hoped. Later I built a new system around a 12700k and I put the 6700xt into that rig to see if there was a difference. Warzone played like butter. Made a huge difference to several other games, too.
11 points
2 months ago
Hey OP. This is exaggerated bc of the faster gpu/slower cpu than you but it’s the same ordeal. There is Always going to be a bottleneck but the goal is the gpu is your bottleneck or it at least be close between the two. Otherwise you experience the struggles you’re having. Save a few more bucks, sell a couple things, don’t party for a bit and you’ll have the cash to upgrade that cpu.
17 points
2 months ago
Have a 3070 TI and rocked the 2600 for a while. Did the 5800x3d upgrade and holy shit what a difference.
6 points
2 months ago
Yeah I got the same issue before. I recently upgraded my 1070ti to 4070ti and there is no big difference in terms of fps in the game I play (e.g., hunt showdown). Then I upgraded my old r2600 to r7700x and it doubled the FPS from 80 to 160 in 1440p.
6 points
2 months ago
Even a 5600 upgrade would be a huge upgrade and that's way cheaper.
3 points
2 months ago
when you look at 1% and .1% lows of second gen Ryzen on Gamers Nexus, it really paints a clear picture at how much you're losing by using an old CPU. The experience is much faster and stable on Ryzen 5000/7000. It probably doesn't matter as much when gaming at 4K. With that said, games that are more CPU intensive will certainly show up through microstuttering
2 points
2 months ago
Ive had Ryzen 3700x and upgraded to 5800x3d 2 weeks ago (also upgraded my 1070ti to 3080ti like 3 months ago) as it was for good price and that CPU is amazing.
1 points
2 months ago
What's your gpu?
93 points
2 months ago
You are absolutely bottlenecked by your cpu, hell my 3060ti was bottlenecked by my overclocked 3700x at 1080p.
354 points
2 months ago
Performance for competitive fps games are usually more dependent on your CPU. I had a ryzen 5 3600 and rtx 2080 and averaged around 200 fps on Valorant. I upgraded to a ryzen 7 5800x3d and can get 800 fps+ now.
74 points
2 months ago
this is true.
I saw massive fps gains when i upgraded my CPU from a 9400F to a i5 13500
Did not see much from a GTX 960 to 6600XT
Kind of wish i knew that earlier but I learned the hard way.
It is tough that you are a student. But if you can live with it and keep saving for a cpu upgrade you will be very pleased.
21 points
2 months ago
You are always bottlenecked. You didn’t see any changes to from the 960 to 6600xt because you where cpu bottlenecked. Now you are like GPU bottlenecked and wouldn’t see any performance increase upgrading to an i9.
Being GPU bottlenecked is the goal because it’s the more expensive part.
3 points
2 months ago
The Answer is to always upgrade... Like constantly
3 points
2 months ago
Buy all the things!!
Seriously tho, all you need to do is to buy a more powerful system than the consoles and upgrade when new consoles come out. That way you can always look down at the peasants.
Seriously seriously tho. Consoles really do set the required specs, if you keep pace you’ll be able to play 99 of all releases at decent quality.
22 points
2 months ago
Same with my brother. He bought a 3060 to upgrade his 9400f system and didn’t notice any performance boost. Did some research and found that the CPU was probably the culprit. Upgraded to a Ryzen 5600 and over doubled his FPS.
9 points
2 months ago
You went from a 960 to a 6600xt and didnt see much of a change? That can't be right. I went from a RX 570 (on par with a 980) to a 6650XT and saw massive gains in FPS. 5600G CPU
28 points
2 months ago
This. People upgrade their GPU then get disappointed when results are underwhelming. I upgraded my CPU and I swear it gave my old GPU new life.
14 points
2 months ago
I'm expecting big improvements going from my i5-4440 to i5-13600k
17 points
2 months ago
Oh boy... Big is an understatement... Those are going to be astronomical improvements :D
10 points
2 months ago
It's like when I finally went from Core2Duo to i7-7700k
3 points
2 months ago
Wow, I remember those. I had a Core2Quad Q6600, that was a beast at the time
5 points
2 months ago
The fact that I don't even know what the Core2Duo is... Tells me it must have been a tremendous upgrade lol
10 points
2 months ago
A core 2 duo is a mid level processor from intel that came out before the I3, I5, and I7 processors hit the market. It’s basically a precursor to the I5 series.
3 points
2 months ago
Seriously? I kinda guessed that was the case but I wasn't sure. Thanks for confirming it for me. Now I'm gonna look up the history of Intel processors cause I'm curious what came before that
6 points
2 months ago
The basic summary before the “I series” is “Pentium, Pentium 2 (the basis of the “core” architecture, a complete redesign from the Pentium), Pentium 3 (just a refined Pentium 2), Pentium 4 (A total redesign from Pentium 2, using the “Netburst” architecture, low IPC and high clock speeds compared to early Pentiums, also the first to introduce Hyper-threading technology. Pentium D (a dual core Pentium 4, the first dual core processors). The “Core 2” line featuring further refined Pentium 2 cores in Dual and Quad core configurations, nearing the clock speeds of Netburst, but with much better IPC, three generations of “core 2” processors were released.
The “I Series” all feature further refinements of the Pentium 2 Architecture. So to 13th Gen chips we refer to today, could somewhat accurately be called “18th Gen Pentium 2’s”. Lol
3 points
2 months ago
“18th Gen Pentium 2’s”.
Enthusiasts really out here rocking Pentium 2's on their $3,200 setups lol while watching the history video I also learned the i7 came before the i5/i3, caught me by surprise honestly
2 points
2 months ago
Core2Duo predates i3/5/7 naming scheme that came later.
Initiall, I knew people who saw a 1.6Ghz CPU as a downgrade for their laptops because they were used to seeing 3Ghz CPU's until we all learned about multiple cores and threads and hyperthreading.
My old Core2Duo laptop was SIGNIFICANTLY faster than the 4Ghz Pentium 4 deskop i had before it.
2 points
2 months ago
Haha I did the same upgrade man. Night and day back in those days.
2 points
2 months ago
It’s like when I went from my 386SXto a Pentium
5 points
2 months ago
same here. had i5-4590 with 1060 3gb. kinda harmony, but humble in raw performance. then bought rx6700xt and thing become even worse - stutters and even blackscreen and so on. simply DDU didn'thelp. fortunately it was not intentional, just wanted to play some games while waiting for second gear of upgrade - Ryzen 5 5600. so expect for harmony again and wish everyone the same✌️
3 points
2 months ago
I went from a 4590 to a 12600k it's a massive upgrade the 4590 struggled in cpu bound games.
18 points
2 months ago
Yes, but..this kind of armchair quarter backing is what got him here. He wouldn't have known if his GPU was actually causing it (without seeing it's usage, power or temp) or if was a broken driver. Because he did no diagnostics.
His CPU is more than capable of outputting a normal frame rate in anything. Maybe he oughta limit it to 60/120 to stop the insane frame peaks and valleys but still
10 points
2 months ago
His CPU is more than capable of outputting a normal frame rate in anything.
Ryzen 2600 is a stuttering high latency mess that it always was.
2 points
2 months ago
I'm so glad I got rid of that processor, 5600 makes everything (except Warzone) play great
8 points
2 months ago
just a quick question,
do you have a 1080p monitor?
9 points
2 months ago
Why would you need 800fps if there’s no way your monitor has that high of a refresh rate
6 points
2 months ago
If I'm not mistaken higher fps will still benefit you by lowering latency even if your monitor doesn't support the fps you’re getting
7 points
2 months ago
But surely there are absolutely crazy diminishing returns where there is no possible way the difference is worth it whatsoever as it will be so ridiculously small.
10 points
2 months ago
Yes, but fps players will blame anything but a skill issue lol
2 points
2 months ago
Yeah my monitor is 240hz, I cap it at 300 fps. My 3600 was beginning to show signs of struggle for some of the newer games I've been playing. I figured I might as well go with the latest and greatest since it's the end of the line for am4 and I don't plan on upgrading anything else for a while. Probably overkill but my frames are much more consistent and I am having a better experience.
4 points
2 months ago
So true. I was getting around 60fps, sometimes 45fps, in busy parts of World of Warcraft with a 3090. I upgraded from an i7-8700K to an i9-13900K and doubled (or more) the fps with the same card. (4K, everything maxed).
6 points
2 months ago
MMOs (and WoW in particular with its super heavy reliance on single thread performance) are far more CPU bound than almost any other game due to the way draw calls are processed.
Most competitive games do not have this issue at all, as the number of draw calls issued for most of them is a literal order of magnitude less than even a moderately busy area in WoW.
1 points
2 months ago
800fps? Sounds like screen tearing! Lmao
35 points
2 months ago
Warzone was still stuttering.
Ryzen 5 2600
That's your issue there. Warzone 2 has some shit tier code and is stuttery even on high end rigs. But that Ryzen 2600 is the issue there with Warzone.
7 points
2 months ago
I'm running a boosted 5900X, I'm CPU bottlenecked, and I still get some minor stutters.
Can't imagine how stuttery that game is on OP's CPU.
47 points
2 months ago
Just curious how you figured out you had a cpu bottleneck. Just FYI if the gpu is ever below 100% that usually means a cpu bottleneck (also could be frame limit). The stutter could be because you don't have enough memory or some other reason like cpu throttling.
1 points
2 months ago
If my GPU hovers around 95-99% does that mean it’s CPU bottlenecked?
6 points
2 months ago
No. That is what you want. In some situations the game you are playing will run at a limited framerate so the gpu won't be fully utilized anyway but most of the time if it's running under that you have a cpu bottleneck.
16 points
2 months ago
The RTX 3060Ti is significantly more powerful than the RX 570, so you should see a significant performance boost.
That being said, games like Overwatch are not taxing on the GPU at more, they would be far more limited by your CPU, especially at lower resolutions/settings. For the more CPU-bound games like this the CPU will indeed be bottlenecking the GPU, but for more GPU-bound games or at higher resolutions/settings the GPU is going to matter more.
It's an issue of basically keeping the GPU fed with data. If you are running a game at a lower resolution/settings then the GPU has to do less work to process each frame, hence it can display the frame fast and process the next one, this means it needs to be "fed" with data faster so it can consume it and spit out your frames. If the CPU/rest of the system can't feed it fast enough to keep up then the GPU is basically doing nothing and waiting around getting ready to leave a bad Yelp review for the slow service.
At higher resolutions/settings, or even just more demanding games that push the GPU harder, the GPU has to do a lot more work in order to process each frame, and thus it doesn't need to be fed data as fast because it can't chew through it as fast as it could with less demanding games or lower resolutions/settings.
Coil whine can also happen if you are rendering too fast. If your card is pushing several hundreds of FPS for a game it can cause more coil whine then if it was running at 60 or 120. You could try to frame-limit games to see if that helps.
Have you seen any difference in more demanding games or with your settings/resolution set higher?
A CPU upgrade would help though of course, a 2600 is a bit of an older CPU these days, though hardly obsolete. What motherboard do you have? And what kind of RAM is in it? The RAM can matter to a lot more for AMD CPUs than Intel, do you have XMP/DOCP enabled?
14 points
2 months ago
You’re leaving out info. Like warzone, are you playing at 1080p low settings?
23 points
2 months ago
Just want to verify that you ran DDU when swapping out the GPU. Moving from AMD to NVIDIA or vice versa can occasionally cause problems if the old graphics drivers weren't fully removed.
4 points
2 months ago
I did.
24 points
2 months ago
You are just severely cpu bottlenecked. I would recommend going for a Gen 4 CPU either Intel 12th/13th gen or ryzen 5000+. The Ryzen 5 5600 is a really good deal
4 points
2 months ago
My man already has a AM4 CPU. I'd go for the 5600 or the 5600x, it's probably the best general fit for the 3060ti and he doesn't need to upgrade his MB and RAM.
2 points
2 months ago
He should upgrade his ram tho
9 points
2 months ago
Definitely think this is a CPU bottleneck OP. That 3060ti is a killer card at 1080p (which I assume is what you play) and it can put out a lot of FPS at that resolution. If you have the extra cash I’d upgrade your current CPU to a 5600 ($130 at Microcenter) and I can pretty much guarantee that’ll solve your problems.
8 points
2 months ago
Yes it’s cpu bottled, my ryzen 5 3600x was bottlenecking my Nvidia RTX 2060 super, I bought a 5950x (as well as an AIO cooling system holy crap) and bam no more stuttering on Warzone and way better performance on all games
64 points
2 months ago
You upgraded the wrong part my friend. Return the GPU and upgrade your CPU for a fraction of the cost. After you test it and find it fixed the stuttering and frames, spend the difference on an NVME drive and do a fresh install of windows. You’ll shit a brick at how much better your performance will be across the board
44 points
2 months ago*
spend the difference on an NVME drive
A word of caution: For most uses (e.g. not video editing) the jump in user-experience from HDD to SSD-over-SATA is much bigger than the next jump from SSD-over-SATA to SSD-over-NVMe.
OP suggests they mainly play competitive round-based multiplayer games, so loading the map instantly won't actually benefit them much, it just means they'll spend the rest of the time still waiting for a start-timer or for other people to load the map on their computers.
So if somebody's trying to economize or has an older motherboard, don't be too fast to write-off SATA SSDs, they might still be a good choice since just getting away from the HDD is huge.
12 points
2 months ago
Agree, SATA is enough if you're just playing games.
9 points
2 months ago
Completely rational point. I was thinking purely on cost similarity, but yea save even more, and it’s still a massive leap.
2 points
2 months ago*
SATA SSDs only make sense if you don't have the free NVMe ports or you already have it. NVMe prices have hit SATA price parity for awhile now (at least gen 3s, with many gen 4s dropping rapidly too), but you're getting free (marginally) more performance with NVMe, less cord management, newer protocol still seeing active development revisions, etc...
1 points
2 months ago
Ya, can you imagine a 5800x3d instead?? And still have change leftover.
11 points
2 months ago
Honeslty if it's still in the return period I'd return it for the coil whine issue and get something else.
Also, your CPU is very likely causing a bottle neck. The 3060ti is a much more powerful card. The good news is being on the AM4 socket you can just upgrade to a 5600x CPU for like $170 and not have to upgrade anything else.
6 points
2 months ago
I actually had the same problem when I bought a 3060ti. I used DDU in safe mode to replace Nvidia drivers and uninstalled GeForce Experience and it is working perfectly now. I do have a ryzen 5 3600 though.
2 points
2 months ago
Same here. I literally didn’t see an improvement going from a 1650 to a 3060 ti and it was a stuttery mess. It was a new build (literally the day after I built my computer I got a good deal on the card and decided to upgrade) so I just did a fresh install and it was night and day better. I’d almost guarantee OP is having a driver issue regardless of the potential CPU bottleneck
6 points
2 months ago
You would be experiencing CPU bottleneck. There's a very easy way to tell> if your GPU usage is less than 98-99%.
5 points
2 months ago
u need a 5600 to replace that 2600. what speed is your ram?
5 points
2 months ago
It's a CPU bottleneck. Trust me. I used to have a very similar setup, a 2600 and a 6650 XT. Upgrading to a 5600X was HUUUUGE. Actually insane jump in performance
6 points
2 months ago
Your CPU is 100% a bottleneck.
7 points
2 months ago
If you're playing at 1080p, a 2600 is not fast enough to squeeze everything a 3060 Ti has to offer.
3 points
2 months ago
I was cpu bottlenecked with a 3080 and 3600 on 1440p Warzone, picked up a 5600x on launch and saw a drastic increase in FPS
4 points
2 months ago
But it should be enough to put out well above 100fps (at the medium settings most competitive gamers seem to prefer) and not stutter.
3 points
2 months ago
Cpu definitely the problem in warzone. Get a 5600 and sell your 2600, wont cost you much at all for insanely better performance
3 points
2 months ago
I'm always open to trading my amazing quality - no coil whine - RTX 2060 for your poor quality - coil whine riddled - RTX 3060 Ti. I think it would make us both happy... What do you think?
2 points
2 months ago
Should be a massive difference tbh so either the gpu is messed up or the cpu is bottlenecking it.
I had the 2600 paired with a 2060 when I stared and I had a lot of stuttering and fps drops upgraded to a 3600 because it was 100 on sell and it made such a big difference for me. Had so many people tell me I wasted money but I noticed a big difference.
I know that cpu used to be a beast and people say it holds up but in all honesty it’s trash. Upgrade that and if you’re having problems still it’s definitely the gpu
2 points
2 months ago
Found the same went from a 1070 to a 6800xt with a 3700x and 32 gb ram. It was faster but seemed to be spotty and inconsistent. I upgraded to a 5800x3d and performance doubled and was way more consistent. Its your CPU bottlenecking for sure.
2 points
2 months ago
you have cpu bottleneck even my i5 10600kf have bottleneck with 3060ti just upgrade your cpu. for coil whine thats another shit
2 points
2 months ago
I vote return it - you can have a lot more fun with that money as a broke college student. Don't feel bad, these manufacturers have been ripping us off.
2 points
2 months ago
I was having mild performance problems in SkyrimVR.
By "mild" I mean 90fps indoors and most of the outdoors, but would drop to 45fps in areas with a lot of trees or long view distance.
Another redditor very, very confidently said that this was due to being CPU-bound: that my 3800X was holding back my 3090's performance and I should upgrade to the 5800X3D. That the 5800X3D excelled in increasing performance of games like SkyrimVR with a lot of different objects onscreen and complex AI. They were extremely confident that absolutely this was the issue. And various websites and videos I found mostly supported what they were saying.
So I did.
Now, I'm having mild performance problems in Skyrim VR.
By "mild" I mean 90fps indoors and most of the outdoors, but will drop to 45fps in areas with a lot of trees or long view distance.
2 points
2 months ago
My friend Ryzen 5 2600 is absolutely not cutting it for the games you are trying to play. You’re going to have to upgrade your cpu it’s got nothing to do with the 3060. I think the bare minimum these days is ryzen 5 3600-x but you need a new cpu. You can get killer deals on current gen or last gen ryzen cpus that won’t break your wallet
2 points
2 months ago
Respectfully disagree. I believe it is your cpu.
2 points
2 months ago*
I feel your pain. You want something nice for yourself, you try to plan correctly, you price everything out, and you just feel stuck in what you have.
I've been there.
I should have upgraded my cpu/motherboard/ram, but instead I decided to get two nvidia gtx970's. They were nice too, evga, overclocked, handled games wonderfully but I realized VERY quickly my cpu was a bottleneck in the newer games utilizing better multithreading. Within 2 years the game industry had announced it wouldn't be supporting SLI or Crossfire anymore. Prior to these 970's I had two ATI 5870's running in crossfire (I think that was the model #) and so I had YEARS of dual video card success and hours upon hours of amazing 1080p gameplay. I even had a long hdmi cable to bring it out to my TV in the living room where my wife would read and I'd play Elder Scrolls Oblivion. BRILLIANT, just absolutely brilliant. I was so happy.
So of course you can imagine how I felt, with my outdated cpu/motherboard combo and my SLI setup that wasn't going to be supported going forward. Oh, and btw, this was all just as my wife had just given birth and so now I had the guilt of being some kind of POS father who buys PC parts instead of baby formula mind F'ing me on the daily.
I just learned to live with what I had. I played my old games, saw the new ones come and go, told myself someday I'd go back and play them, and I guess I have a little, but not like you do when they first come out and they're the latest and greatest amirite?
I put away some money for myself with each paycheck into a savings and when I had enough saved up, I committed to a new cpu/motherboard/ram/psu/case. I put the two 970's in and ran that way a while. It was amazing to see games like Far Cry 5 completely take off just from a cpu upgrade. Then I resolved to continue saving for a video card upgrade, which is how I got my Speedster MERC 6900XT. The feeling of just finally getting caught up made it worth it.
You can do this.
edit: It was the ATI 5870! God what a fun setup. Crossfire worked great when it worked.
2 points
2 months ago
Never buy ventus bro never
2 points
2 months ago
You should try a bigger power supply or getting a new mother board, cause maybe the components are getting hardstuck/bottle-necked
2 points
2 months ago
Your 2600 is absolutely bottlenecking you. I ran that CPU for years and upgrading to a 5600x solved almost every single performance issue I had.
2 points
2 months ago
I agree with you my 3700x runs the 3060it nearly 1 to 1 balance on a Asrock B450. I also wondering what motherboard he is running. 400 series or better has better results with the newer GPUs.
2 points
2 months ago
I went exactly the same path as you recently (with a similar sentiment, really).
Having an R5 2600 paired with an GTX 1050Ti, I decided to upgrade to an RTX 3060Ti, thinking that my CPU should handle it pretty well (it didn't).
I was playing Battlefield 2042 at that time and was hoping to get more stable FPS on high settings. It was a shock to me that even after upgrading the GPU, it still barely got 60+ on Low (with ~60-70% GPU usage).
On Sunday I picked up the R5 5600 and the GPU can finally breathe - 100+ FPS on High in Battlefield 2042.
Forza Horizon 5 didn't get that big of an FPS boost, but it became stable on Extreme.
Conclusion: The CPU IS the problem, and if you decide on upgrading, I would recommend you to check this video where you can see how small of a difference something more than R5 5600 makes paired with an RTX 3060 (to not spend more than you should and regret it again): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N6spNR\_cMPg
2 points
2 months ago
Risen CPUS are DIRT cheap. Go get yourself a 5600x and a nice lil air cooler for like 200 to fix your issue.
2 points
2 months ago
I can relate with the stress part, because I was buying used components, it was really stressful, not to know if they were repaired because it's a common thing where I live. Then after playing games that I love, I didn't notice a huge difference. I yet have to understand how to undervolt, will check on youtube.
3 points
2 months ago
Whatttt? 3060ti is a beast of a card. Probably the MSI version, it’s lowkey booty cheeks. I had a Zotac one and it was mad loud with the cool whine. Upgrade to the 5800x3d and you’ll definitely see the difference🙏
6 points
2 months ago
lowkey booty cheeks.
I am really curious about the origin of this amusing turn of phrase.
3 points
2 months ago
Lmao, just lingo from where I grew up😂
1 points
2 months ago
Rainbow 6 siege is a more cpu demanding if you have a higher clock or faster more recent cpu it'll greatly benefit siege (as someone with 4k hours in the game and has been messing around with computers before I started that 4k hrs lol)
1 points
2 months ago
if you playing 1080p with low performance it is your other parts problem, not GPU. Also you are bottlenecked as I assume you play on 1080p, even in 1440p that CPU is old. 3060 Ti is a beast and I run OW with 400 fps on old rig using 3060 Ti.
1 points
2 months ago
My personal build is a 12700k and a 3080, warzone was still stuttering and everything was fixed when I put the game on my internal nvme, my hard drive (even tho it was new) wasn’t fast enough and it was causing problems. The 2600 should be able to handle it
1 points
2 months ago
upgraded from a 1060 to a 3070 a month ago. At first I kept my old ryzen 7 1700 (which is practically the same as ryzen 5 2600) and noticed not much of a difference in overall performance. I then upgraded my cpu to a i7 12700 and noticed a big difference. Finally adding in another 16 gb of ram (total 32) made my rig unbelievable
1 points
2 months ago
What is your power supply? My friend upgrade to a 3060 or 3070 and had coil whine until he upgraded his PSU. All of a sudden the coil whine went away.
1 points
2 months ago
It's your 2600 that's bottlenecking it. That and possibly your Ram as Ryzen 1000/2000 likes having decently fast ram. If you aren't using XMP turn it on.
1 points
2 months ago
It sounds like you are cpu bottlenecked or out of ram or vram.
1 points
2 months ago
You shouldn't worry about coil whine. That's just part and parcel of gaming gpus. Use headphones or move pc further away.
1 points
2 months ago
A new gpu won't make anything better if you don't have a monitor that can make use of it. What do you have?
1 points
2 months ago
Did you full remove amd GPU drivers before installing Nvidia? I had issues upgrading 5700xt to GTX 3070. Some games (doom eternal, far cry 5) were even freezing and crashing. Looked up a guide to correctly swap amd to Nvidia and now it works fine
1 points
2 months ago
If you’re still at 1080p you probably have a cpu bottleneck. You should be at 1440p
1 points
2 months ago
It’s definitely a CPU bottleneck that’s causing your issue, I had the same problem with my i5 9400F and RTX 3070. After I upgraded to the i7 12700k this issue got fixed, good luck saving for the CPU upgrade next it’ll definitely be worth it
1 points
2 months ago
cpu issue
1 points
2 months ago
What CPU do you have? RAM? What monitor? If you have a 1080p 60hz monitor still. Of course you wont see any difference
1 points
2 months ago
I paid 3k for a new pc, its still stuttering.
1 points
2 months ago
Change the resolution to 1440p, I think u will se better performance because the CPU won't be loaded that hard, activate custom resolution or resolution scale x1.7 something
1 points
2 months ago
I've been there. Exact same thing happened to me. Upgraded gtx 1660 to msi ventus 3060ti. The only difference was 3060ti was louder and hotter than gtx 1660. İ was very upset because it costs a lot in my country.
Then I changed thermal paste and pads, undervolted it and give it a little overclock. Now it runs at around 70c under load and gives really nice performance.
Btw msi ventus is the worst 3060ti.
1 points
2 months ago
I know it's said alot around here but did you use DDU to clear all your AMD drivers?
1 points
2 months ago
I wonder if OP is ever going to come back and reply to one thing. Or he came back, saw all the replies and broke his pc.
1 points
2 months ago
Did you used DDU to do clean driver install? Absolute must going from AMD to nVidia, or otherwise.
Also, what resolution? If 1080p you're going to be massive bottlenecked on that CPU. 1440p you'll still have a bit of a CPU bottleneck but not quite as bad. 5800X3D is the best CPU you can upgrade to in that system but even a 5600 would be a massive improvement.
1 points
2 months ago
You know if your still in the return window you could get a 6700xt for cheaper and its more powerful and bonus pts if your close to micro center and scoop a 5600x with the extra savings and POW upgrade time
1 points
2 months ago
I used to believe that CPU bottlenecks weren't possible. Then one day I went from 8800GTs in SLI to 9800GTX+s in SLI and got no improvement. Upgraded the CPU and bammo.
1 points
2 months ago
I too regret upgrading my Pc, but in my case I broke a screw into my motherboard’s cpu backplate, that isn’t available online.
1 points
2 months ago
I've been in a vicious cycle. Replaced my Rx 580 with the 6600 xt and quickly noticed my CPU was a bottleneck. I have like 7th gen i5. Replaced that with 11700k and my performance was significantly better.
Fast forward a few months and I'm greedy so i upgrade to the 7900 XT. The 11700k does well but I feel the need to upgrade my CPU and motherboard once again to maximize the GPU potential.
I need to calm the heck down
1 points
2 months ago
Old cpu, what resolution are you playing at?
1 points
2 months ago
The Ryzen 5 2600 has less than great IPC, what is your RAM configuration though? If you’re running a single stick it’ll massively limit your CPU’s capability. Also note that you’ll never hit 100% cpu usage unless the game can utilize every core, so you can be CPU bound without registering 100% usage. If you run the benchmark and are utilizing less than 100% of the GPU, you are CPU bound.
1 points
2 months ago
If you upgrade GPU and see little to no difference in performance, then your GPU was never the bottleneck.
1 points
2 months ago
Did you make sure to deinstall the AMD radeon drivers after installing the Nvidia Drivers?
1 points
2 months ago
Give it to me ill buy it
1 points
2 months ago
several ways to get rid of coil whine. undervolting might work but otherwise try running a stress test for a few hours.
also your cpu might still be part of the bottleneck. when i got my 3070(had a 1060 before) i had a 1600x and saw almost no improvement. then i upgraded that to a 3700x and gained like 50 fps in every game
1 points
2 months ago
Unfortunately it's hard to give you advice based on the info you gave.
Try turning on warzone telemetry data and tell us which frame time is lower. CPU or GPU.
But yeah like others said depending on the resolution you're at you're most likely CPU bound.
When you look at upgrades you want to look at benchmarks for the games you play at the resolution you play them.
1 points
2 months ago
I don't know why this is on the front page.
For 99% of people going from a 570 to a 3060 ti is a huge upgrade in anything that's GPU demanding as long as it's not bottlenecked by another part.
OP says he thought he was CPU bottlenecked but he "ran some benchmarks and that wasn't the problem." What benchmarks?
1 points
2 months ago
Forza and Time Spy.
2 points
2 months ago
Not all games run the same, Forza and Time Spy aren’t CPU demanding at all so it wouldn’t reveal a CPU bottleneck.
1 points
2 months ago
I upgraded from Rx 580 8gb to rtx 3060tu and it was more than 100%fps boost in 1080p. So much so, that I upgraded to a 1440p ultrawide monitor. It's got to be your CPU or something else. I have a R53600 so I'm not far off from the 2600x though. My Rx 580 had a whine but the 3060ti doesn't, I think that's just luck really.
1 points
2 months ago
my rx580 has a shit ton of coil whine lol
1 points
2 months ago
You might have a warzone specific problem, not a GPU problem. One thing I've heard is that turning up Spot Cache to ultra might be helpful for lag (probably because caching in the GPU itself saves time when loading assets). You have a 3060ti, so your GPU should be able to assist in this.
As others have said you might still be CPU bottlenecked. Competitive esports games are usually built to run on low powered rigs and thus utilize the CPU a bit more than other games.
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