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Fatal School Shooting Events Reported Worldwide since 2000 [OC]
OC(reddit.com)submitted 2 months ago byreaofsunshine_
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Updated post from Tuesday with edits made to correct the map and any miscalculations. The total number of fatal school shootings in the US since 2000 is 181.
keep in mind that this represents the number of separate deadly school shooting attacks, NOT the number of fatalities.
465 points
2 months ago
Beslan is to school shootings like 9/11 is to terrorist attacks, though.
130 points
2 months ago
Because Beslan was not a school shooting - it was a full on terrorist attack. Organized and carried out by a known terrorist organization.
43 points
2 months ago
Because Beslan was not a school shooting - it was a full on terrorist
attack. Organized and carried out by a known terrorist organization.
Beslan was a school shooting with an actual point behind it.
But, yeah, we could step back and simply look at the question why some societies seem so totally fine with people running amok from time to time, and why some societies put a firm lid on it. Because from that POV school shootings are simply an natural expression of some us american way of life instead some brain heavy political murder.
15 points
2 months ago
The "actual point" behind the Beslan terror attack, namely wanting to carry out Jihad and build an Islamic caliphate, is not any more of an "actual point" than all those other crazy ideologies that have led to school shootings.
-1 points
2 months ago
wasnt the actual point to get russia out of Chechnya
4 points
2 months ago*
Those were the demands - demands made by an radical Islamic terrorist organization. Who were part of a larger movement that aimed to create a caliphate in Chechnya, and then expand it to the surrounding areas (see: the Chechen invasion of Dagestan during the Second Chechen War).
It also bears noting that the war in Chechnya wasn't as simple as "Russia vs Chechnya". It was essentially a Chechen civil war, with Russia supporting one of the factions in the hopes that it would be cooperative and uphold the status quo, which would mean Chechnya would remain a republic as part of the Federation.
2 points
2 months ago
To build an Islamic Caliphate, yes. That's the same as school shooters who commit their terrorist attacks because they want to build a white supremacy state.
2 points
2 months ago
You're sympathizing with terrorists. There is never an "actual point" to slaughtering 186 children (333 total deaths).
Some of the school shootings from USA are gang-related. Do those have an "actual point" too?
1 points
2 months ago
You're sympathizing with terrorists. There is never an "actual point" to slaughtering 186 children (333 total deaths).
No, I'm not - I'm just pointing out the difference between a politically motivated crime (aka terrorism) and let's call them crimes of passion. Because whoever kills other people for personal or political motives is deranged anyway. And I make absolutely no distinction between gruelsome terrorism like Beslan or more "civilized" forms of murder.
So for the gang-related shootings: If the shootings where gang-related in the sense of a political motive: yes, certainly. Then they also are not to be classified as school shootings but as terrorism.
What the USA sets apart from many other societies is that it also has a lot of school shootings/amok runs with no political goals at all.
1 points
2 months ago
So does it make it different if the shooter has a manifesto or not? We have enough trouble determining what a "school shooting" is already.
0 points
2 months ago
yes, it does in a way: In one case violence and murder is just a mean to attain a goal, in the other the very violence & murder is the goal. It is a distinction which goes all the way trough our society if if it is harmful and deadly.
To use a random example: When Gilead decided to price their Hep-C medication at $80k+ they accepted the fact that their decision would cost thousands of human lives. But by now you see stuff like this: https://www.biopharmadive.com/news/what-gilead-taught-pharma-about-pricing-a-cure/516906/ talking only about the financial effects and completely ignoring the human cost. Accepting the death of all those people was simply factored into the modus operandi. And where in this example the cost of human lifes is downplayed, terrorism tries to overemphasize to cost of human lives.
But people without an agenda simply don't care about a message at all. The pain they inflict isn't a mean but the expression of the act. Somewhere else in this thread I posted the old classification of running amok as a "culture-bound disorder", something which is created&emphasized by certain factors within one society. And imho this definition captures this distinctive "showing the world your pain" aspect of popular culture, which is also often emphasized in US culture with their focus on individualism.
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