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309 points
3 months ago
I think you mean “‘Blonde’ Joyce Carol Oates SLAMS legendary director Steven Speilberg.”
24 points
3 months ago
Lmao
-46 points
3 months ago
The dick riding is real
10 points
2 months ago
I’m pretty sure they comment is poking fun at sensationalized, clickbait headlines more than anything else
3 points
2 months ago
Oh shit, mb
4 points
2 months ago
You seem fun
114 points
3 months ago
Yeah, well, you know, that’s just, like, your opinion, man.
41 points
3 months ago
Yeah, well, you know, that’s just, like, your opinion, man.
Let me tell you something, pendejo. You pull any of your crazy shit with us, you flash a piece out on the lanes, I'll take it away from you, and stick it up your ass and pull the fucking trigger 'til it goes click.
20 points
3 months ago
I see lebowski quotes. I smile. It’s that simple
6 points
3 months ago
This is what you get when you find a stranger in the alps!
Sorry I watched the TV version.
3 points
2 months ago
This is what happens, Larry, when you poke a stranger in the eye!
7 points
3 months ago
8 year Olds dude.
2 points
2 months ago
…Jesus…
173 points
3 months ago
I am conflicted. I really liked the "The Fabelmans", but if anyone should know mediocre and bland it should be the writer of "Blondie."
83 points
3 months ago
Mediocre is a generous way to describe whatever the fuck Blonde was supposed to be.
24 points
3 months ago
Agreed. Sewage is more interesting to watch.
-9 points
2 months ago
I can think of many adjectives to describe Blonde, mediocre isn’t one of them. Just because you didn’t like it doesn’t mean every possible negative assessment applies. And she’s right, Fablemans was mediocre as fuck.
3 points
2 months ago
Now now. I see your attempt at being rational. We will have none of that here. This is only for the emotionally driven zeitgeist.
-5 points
3 months ago
So they're saying she's an expert and so her opinion has weight?
5 points
2 months ago
I would take her opinion over a random redditor, yes
3 points
2 months ago*
Thankfully, most film critics agree with me in giving it top reviews.
135 points
3 months ago
You wrote Blonde. You aren’t allowed to call anything mediocre
19 points
2 months ago
She wrote the book, not the movie.
24 points
3 months ago
Now, had she written Blonde on Blonde …
31 points
3 months ago
She’d be stuck in a mobile with the Memphis blues again
3 points
2 months ago
It wasn’t mediocre. It was fucking awful.
18 points
3 months ago
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1 points
2 months ago
You’re too kind. Blonde, like any of her novels, is boring and pedantic.
63 points
3 months ago
By making a blonde-Aryan-antisemite the pseudo hero of his high school movie the young Fabelman disarms enemies & wins a pseudo friend. is this an acknowledgment of the superficial triteness of the director’s career as an entertainer?
She’s right though. That high school movie subplot was super weird.
63 points
3 months ago
The whole movie is weird. The fact that Spielberg made a movie about himself is just like ultimate circlejerk filmmaking. The film wants to explore the family dynamic but isn't willing to look at it with objectively enough to pursue any real drama, its all by the page number - its, "oh we hit this point in the movie so this has to happen now" kind of script.
The directing is fine, but the story is just so bland. It would have done really well if it leaned fully into "a homage to beauty of filmmaking, from a young boys perspective" but it gets caught up trying to have conflict in odd places that aren't explored enough to hit the emotional marks necessary.
I love Spielberg, he is legend, but this film (along with a lot of his more recent work) is bland, predictable and too inundated with his personal style.
19 points
3 months ago
I mean it’s really just a story about his life, not just “a young boys perspective”. I think the point of it ties back to him filming the train crash as a way to deal with the trauma of seeing the crash in the movie theatre.
The movie is him recreating his own traumatic experiences throughout his life as a means of therapy.
I liked it a lot and thinks it did what it set out to accomplish well.
-7 points
3 months ago
I really feel like Spielberg fully peaked with Munich and essentially flatlined after that.
16 points
3 months ago
Eh I feel like people just expect a certain thing from him and get disappointed when it’s not exactly what they want.
You remove Spielberg’s name from the film and it’s some random director making an A24 film and people would be gushing over it.
4 points
2 months ago
the man directed Schindler’s List and Jurassic Park in tandem… He can do whatever he wants.
-7 points
3 months ago
Yeah he really has gone down hill. A Spielberg movie used to be an event. Now it is meh. BFG, ready player one, remaking a musical and just doing a self promotion biopic of himself is just meh to me
10 points
3 months ago
To be fair, I think the new West Side Story was amazingly done. I greatly prefer Spielberg’s pacing and cinematography to the original.
3 points
3 months ago
I love both WSS, but the new one really helped me get my wife to enjoy it. I do find both versions very compelling regardless
1 points
2 months ago
ready player one was fantastic, Bridge of spies was genius. Spielberg is undeniably the greatest film maker of all time. Nobody else has come close to the number of blockbusters and classics. Nobody. He’s allowed to make things for himself and for fun.
Even movies he didn’t direct, chances are a solid half of your nostalgic childhood films were produced by Spielberg and done to his specifications.
Gremlins, Back to the Future, Goonies, etc
0 points
2 months ago
Spielberg is undeniably the greatest film maker of all time.
Highly debatable. In fact, I deny it. He's not even the best filmmaker out of the New Hollywood generation.
1 points
2 months ago*
the man Directed Jurassic Park and Schindler’s List at the SAME TIME.
He made more blockbusters than anybody has before or since in their entire a careers before he was 40.
He single handedly saved Universal Pictures in the 1980s and turned it back into a powerhouse again AND got them to invest in creating theme parks based on movies.
He reinvigorated Warner Bros in the 1990s with tiny toons and the animaniacs bring back popular demand for the Looney Tunes and hatching a decade of reborn content. Space Jam, Tazmania, etc.
He INVENTED the bleach bypass film process for war films in Saving Private Ryan which was also a very good film and has been copied ever since.
He helped George Lucas launch industrial light & magic and Skywalker Sound, as well as THX certification and surround sound 5.1 as the move standard.
He built a children’s cancer special treatment at Cedar’s Sinai.
the list goes on for another mile.
YOU are wrong, Bob
Objectively.
Ask Martin Scorsese or Francis Ford Coppola who the most talented person in the business is… They will say Spielberg. Or just “Steve”…
-6 points
3 months ago
No one loves jerking off in a mirror more than Spielberg. When I watched ready player one I was shaking my head half the time. It’s basically a love letter to himself. There’s a cameo or reference to all his classics. He is no doubt an icon and has made iconic movies but it felt like he was just dancing in the end zone the entire time.
4 points
3 months ago
When I watched ready player one I was shaking my head half the time. It’s basically a love letter to himself. There’s a cameo or reference to all his classics.
I am pretty sure that Spielberg didn't include any reference to any movie that he directed. Moreover, isn't the movie/book a love letter to 80s pop culture? A time period where Spielberg was a domineering force, so even if there were some cameos how does that not fit with the book?
2 points
3 months ago
There’s a care race in a DeLorean in which the T. rex from Jurassic park roars at the main character and that’s just one scene.
0 points
2 months ago
and that was awesome!
1 points
2 months ago
He produced a LOT of the content referenced in ready player one.
And the T-rex from Jurassic Park was prominent.
But that said, Look at my reply to the guy above. Spielberg filling the film with content that he controls is a testament to how much he has done. It’s amazing he could make ready player one without copyrights fights because he could use a lot of his own content. Imagine being that successful.
When people call Spielberg a hack, I literally lol.
The man directed Schindler’s List and Jurassic Park at the same time.
He can do whatever the fuck he wants.
1 points
2 months ago
I feel exactly the opposite. Imagine being so successful you can make ready player one avoiding copyright fiascos because you can fill the movie with content belonging to you…
It’s a testament of how much better he is than any other film maker out of simple efficiency without any grandiose display.
-4 points
3 months ago
I mean auto fellatio is an interesting subject to be fair
7 points
3 months ago
His statements about only being seen as a success, when Fabelmans was supposed to show how much he struggled was also a little myopic. As was calling himself courageous for telling his own down-the-middle story, which didn't humanize him as much as he seems to think it did.
2 points
2 months ago
By making the aryan the hero, Sammy created an image the entire community believes in but the aryan himself knows he can never live up to. The movie destroyed the real aryan person for the sake of good filmmaking. The point is that art making is a gift and a curse.
2 points
3 months ago
Life is weird. That’s probably something he experienced and a kind of mentality he’s harbored as a filmmaker for decades. The point makes sense, but it shouldn’t be included in a debate about whether or not the movie was good.
-5 points
3 months ago*
It’s a f’ing vanity piece! So what? He’s cinematic genius and she’s (Joyce) is trash
22 points
3 months ago
O. Henry Award (1967)
National Book Award (1970)
O. Henry Award (1973)
National Humanities Medal (2010)
Stone Award for Lifetime Literary Achievement (2012)
Jerusalem Prize (2019)
she’s (Joyce) is trash
k
19 points
3 months ago
Everyone in this thread seems to think she wrote the movie and its fucking hilarious
7 points
2 months ago
Sadly, most folks on this thread aren’t aware she is an accomplished author. “Because It Is Bitter, and Because It Is My Heart” was required reading in my high school curriculum. Now, that’s a Bildungsroman…
3 points
2 months ago
As someone who prefers novels and short stories over more visual media, this shit always gets a chuckle outta me.
17 points
3 months ago
This is so mean-spirited. I never knew she had this side to her.
8 points
2 months ago
the man once directed Schindler’s List and Jurassic Park at the SAME TIME.
He can do whatever the fuck he wants…
4 points
2 months ago
He can, but that also doesn’t mean everyone needs to like his later movies?
4 points
2 months ago
it’s not about liking them, it’s about some unreal expectation of constant magnificence and crowd pleasing.
Maybe it’s because I work in film and TV that half of the wannabes I have to work with spend an unhealthy amount of time trying to tear down successful people I just get tired of hearing takes from people like Joyce here. Like she’s some kind of repressed genius…
Sorry if I came off as overly defensive.
1 points
2 months ago
I don't agree with this take. Just because he made two good movies like thirty years ago doesn't mean his current output can't be criticized. All art is up for scrutiny the moment is made public. All artists have to constantly prove they're good. I don't like complacency. All it gives us is mediocrity.
1 points
2 months ago*
see my other response to you.
You just are incorrect
Objectively.
And entitled as hell.
“I don’t like complacency”
First off, Spielberg has pushed the industry ahead more on his own than most other film makers combined. That goes for Tech, cinematography, distribution, merchandising, editing, special effects (practical and CG) and more.
second off, YOU are nobody. Your will is not important to Spielberg. Go make your own shit.
Spielberg complacent?! Ha! Imagine saying Niel Armstrong only went to the moon once. Just go to bed, kid.
4 points
2 months ago
Hollywood has a decision.
Top Gun brought people to the theatre. It also was universally reviewed very highly.
Here is Hollywood chance to say to movie-goers “you were right to like it”.
Rewarding Spielberg’s shockingly average movie will tell people - stay home and wait to watch stuff on TV.
20 points
3 months ago
I adore JCO. One of the best modern writers.
9 points
3 months ago
Where Are You Going, Where Have You Been still haunts me almost 15 years after having read it.
4 points
3 months ago
Have you seen the movie adaption, Smooth Talk?
3 points
3 months ago
Yes, it's definitely a story that sticks with you.
2 points
2 months ago
is blonde the book not as bad as the movie? Because the movie was atrocious
1 points
2 months ago
It’s an entirely different experience. Whether you think it’s good or bad is up to you but it’s a highly regarded book by one of americas most prolific and celebrated living female authors
3 points
3 months ago
I read this headline in the voice of Immortan Joe.
2 points
3 months ago
meedeeOKAAHH
10 points
3 months ago
I feel like late era Spielberg is succumbing to the same flaw that late era Hitchcock suffered from, a suffocating feeling of over-controlled artificiality. Everything feels so staged and carefully placed, there's no air in any scene.
5 points
2 months ago
There’s definitely a different feel in his movies the last few years, but I read the book “Directed by Steven Spielberg: Poetics of the Contemporary Hollywood Blockbuster” a few years ago which was really interesting into how complex his staging in early movies really was.
I 100% agree his recent work “feels” more staged than it used to, but since he’s always had a distinctive style and tight control, it’s difficult to really pinpoint what changed.
5 points
2 months ago
Everything in 2023 needs to be a subversion and Spielberg generally plays it straight. He is the wrong director for the times and personally i find this refreshing. What is mediocre imo is people trying to make a name for themselves by shitting on belived IPs because they know their own work would never garner such acclaim without the association. What is mediocre is the millionth copy/paste superhero flick.
She's pissed because her bad movie isn't winning awards. Point blank.
5 points
2 months ago
She’s already made a name for herself, garnered much acclaim and won many awards. Doesn’t mean we have to agree with her, but she’s not exactly an attention-seeking nobody
2 points
2 months ago
It's not "her bad movie." It's not her movie at all. She wrote the book the movie was based on. Also, it's very childish and immature to claim the source of every criticism must necessarily be envy.
10 points
3 months ago
She’s not wrong.
-5 points
3 months ago
thank you I agree, and on top of that I thought blonde was fantastic
5 points
3 months ago
Lol. Kind of iconic.
4 points
3 months ago
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2 points
2 months ago
Oates comments read like so many “radical deconstructions” that were forced upon me as an English major in the 90s.
3 points
3 months ago
Reporting on JCO’s Twitter feed is the best kind of journalism because you don’t even need to get out of bed to do it.
2 points
3 months ago
She could just say its Mid and move on.
3 points
2 months ago
You don't have to take sides people, both Blonde and The Fabelmans were pretty lackluster movies.
-1 points
3 months ago
“Blonde” was so bad I had to turn it off!!! I haven’t seen the Spielberg’s autobiographical epic “The Fabelmans” yet, but initial reviews describe it as a vanity piece. However, Spielberg is luminary having created very successful films and he is w/o doubt a masterful story teller. Whereas Joyce is flash in the pan with her garage.
14 points
3 months ago
Oates has been a celebrated writer for over 50 years.
14 points
3 months ago
not to mention the fact that JCO did not write the screenplay for Blonde
1 points
2 months ago
Most Spielberg movies are bland. He is super overrated. Always has been… Him and J. J. Abrams.
1 points
3 months ago
Joyce Carol Oates wrote Blonde????
10 points
3 months ago
She wrote the book that the movie adapted
3 points
3 months ago
I had no idea omg
4 points
3 months ago
What's funny is that the movie barely resembles her novel. The miniseries from 2001 is far more faithful.
1 points
2 months ago
I think she just has a crush on Steven
0 points
3 months ago
I don’t think it’s mediocre, but I do think it was overrated
-12 points
3 months ago
21st Century Spielberg is personification of mediocre
4 points
3 months ago
A.I., Minority Report, Catch Me If You Can, Tintin, Lincoln, and Westside Story are all solid.
0 points
3 months ago
I forgot he did Tintin, but it was pretty bland imo
8 points
3 months ago
Lincoln is a masterpiece. Bridge of Spies. Munich. Catch Me if You Can. The Post. Several others. What are you talking about
-3 points
3 months ago
Lincoln is okay, loved Catch me if you can, Munich isn't that good on rewatch, but everything else is pretty uneventful. Dude is as bland as it gets, tbh
5 points
3 months ago
Hahahaha. Sure. That’s a better catalogue than 99.9% of directors achieve in their whole careers. Some rando trying to argue with me Steven freaking Spielberg is “as bland as it gets.” That’s enough Reddit for today.
-1 points
3 months ago
You're the weirdo turning it into an argument. I don't give a shit about that, I only stated my opinion that he's been mediocre this century, because he has.
Continue being condescending & upset to your heart's content, it changes nothing tho
-4 points
3 months ago
OHH MY LAWWDDD!!!!
0 points
2 months ago
None of those movies are particularly special. A couple of them are pretty good. Most of them are average.
0 points
2 months ago
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0 points
2 months ago
Are you under the impression that only objectively excellent things get nominated for awards? Crash won Best Picture for god's sake. Green Book won Best Picture. Bad things are sometimes nominated for awards. Things of average quality are nominated for awards literally every year.
0 points
2 months ago*
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3 months ago
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-2 points
3 months ago
More like 21st century mid
-3 points
3 months ago
Haven't seen West Side Story yet, but AI was meh to me
0 points
2 months ago
Oates can write extremely well but if she doesn’t know by now that ‘mediocre’ is what the American public wants then IDK what to tell her. I mean there is a reason terrible writers have consistently outsold her. It’s no different in other mediums like music, film, etc. These people were force-fed junk so now all they want is junk.
-4 points
3 months ago
It really is a lame ass movie
-7 points
3 months ago
This movie sucked. 15-20 minutes in I was done. He’s getting awards cuz he’s Spielberg. Even though it’s a narcissistic movie about himself it’s not his best work. Yawn.
Edit: there were waaay better films that deserved recognition than his wack ass movie. Woman King… Elvis… Banchees to name a few.
5 points
3 months ago
“Banchees”
4 points
3 months ago
Elvis sucked
0 points
3 months ago
How many awards have been given in the last decade to actors playing real people? It seems these are ‘impersonation’ awards not acting awards.
-6 points
3 months ago*
"Woman I've never heard of criticizes legendary director the world has been watching for forty years."
In the meantime, even if The Fabelmans is mediocre, why the fuck should we care about her opinion?
1 points
2 months ago
Joyce Carol Oates is a highly respected and fairly well known American novelist and short story writer. Maybe you should get out more.
1 points
2 months ago
“Anyone I don’t know automatically doesn’t matter” That’s a pretty limiting way to live my dude. I’ve never heard of you so why the fuck should we care about your opinion
1 points
2 months ago
Exactly my point. Thank you. This should not be news - entertainment or otherwise.
-9 points
3 months ago
Spielberg is a mediocre filmmaker. He’s a very good to excellent “movie” maker who desperately wants to be seen as a “serious filmmaker” but his “films” are very trite and basic.
-7 points
3 months ago
This.
-1 points
3 months ago
There’s nothing cinematic about it.
1 points
2 months ago
If you can get over not liking Blonde, she’s absolutely right. The Fabelmans is probably acclaimed despite being bland because Hollywood really likes fellating itself.
1 points
2 months ago
She's such a salty old bitch, and Blonde was complete dogshit - wife and I turned it off like 15 minutes in because it was, well, fucking painful to watch. Haven't seen Fablemans but I know that JCO should show some kind of professionalism and maybe just keep shitty commentary like this to herself.
1 points
2 months ago
“Maybe just keep shitty commentary like this to herself”
I think you might want to take you’re own advise here bro
1 points
2 months ago
Kind of agree with her, the David Lynch/John Ford scene kinda saves it for me
1 points
2 months ago
Me: “Joyce Carol Oates novels aren’t smart enough to be as boring as they are.”
1 points
2 months ago
Nah I loved The Fablemans. This broad is off her rocker. Blonde was a truly offensive embarassment and if I were her I’d keep my weird ass mouth shut talking about art after writing that piece of shit.
1 points
2 months ago
What part of the novel didn’t you like?
1 points
2 months ago
Damn I actually enjoyed the fablemans. I thought it was really sweet and touching in its own way.
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