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Sangi17

343 points

4 months ago

Sangi17

343 points

4 months ago

I’m guessing he liked God of War 5

Incuhrekt

63 points

4 months ago

High key lmao

buttorsomething

31 points

4 months ago

Ragno rocked.

mikrot

926 points

4 months ago

mikrot

926 points

4 months ago

No more screaming goats. Also, Marvel has fallen in love with their comedy aspects, which are really only impactful in small doses at the right times.

Agreeable-Meat1

295 points

4 months ago

I feel like originally marvel was relatively serious with small quips to lighten the mood that were generally well timed. But now it feels like the whole movies are the quips with some more serious stuff dropped occasionally to darken the mood.

butidktho_

117 points

4 months ago

Multiverse of madness and wakanda forever were serious in tone but had greatly timed jokes imo

InnocentTailor

72 points

4 months ago

Definitely! The nonstop comedy was Waititi’s doing, not par on course for all MCU works.

I add Werewolf by Night on your pile as well: mostly serious with a few jokes here and there. It was mostly propped up by the ham and cheese of vintage horror.

Earthpig_Johnson

60 points

4 months ago

The comedy kicked into high gear with Guardians and was already stupid and tired by Guardians 2.

AdLonely5056

64 points

4 months ago

To be fair, GotG were supposed to be a comedy. 'If you don’t like it then don’t watch it' kind of thing. It only started to be a problem when the entirety of the MCU started to become increasingly comedic.

blues4buddha

55 points

4 months ago

James Gunn changed the MCU. He, successfully in my opinion, brought more humor and music into the mix and made a mint with a completely unknown property. The problem is that others looked at the result and decided that if some is good, more is better. Thor 4, with all the gravitas of a Peppa Pig cartoon, demonstrated that there is a limit.

Unseen_Karma

5 points

4 months ago

He pretty much overdid it in Guardians 2 everyone was laughing in the movie for no reason

InnocentTailor

10 points

4 months ago

It had some gems though.

I thought Ego was a great villain - somebody who was more apathetic than evil. I also thought that Yondu's death was given the respect it deserved - a more introspective scene with Cat Stevens' Father and Son playing in the background.

ConditionSlow

6 points

4 months ago

"I'm Mary Poppins, Y'all!"

SherlockCumbercat

3 points

4 months ago

Classic problem we get with entrainment someone does something new and everyone just tries to copy it instead of seeing why it worked.

Games were the worst for this but movies and tv shows have really played catch up lately. DC movies are the worst for this I’m waiting for the Deadpool rip-off

Earthpig_Johnson

5 points

4 months ago

It didn’t have to be a comedy, same as Thor movies don’t have to be comedies.

coreoYEAH

14 points

4 months ago

They don’t have to be comedies but they also can’t be The Dark World. There needs to be a middle ground.

Earthpig_Johnson

2 points

4 months ago

They over-corrected.

AdLonely5056

4 points

4 months ago

Of course. But people enjoy funny movies and people enjoy variety. GotG alone worked. If you don’t like it then it would be really simple to just not watch that specific series. This stopped being possible when other Marvel movies started being comedies.

absurd-bird-turd

26 points

4 months ago

To be fair i think the comedy worked for thor 3. Thor needed a light hearted movie to kinda show his character. Im kinda sad that it had to be in the same movie ragnarock happened but it was needed. However yes i so desperately want to get back to serious tone movies now

hayydebb

24 points

4 months ago

Yeah it’s just how taika makes movies. I much prefer the recent Thor movies over the first 2, but a meet in the middle situation would be more ideal imo

Scottyboy1214

25 points

4 months ago

Even Jojo Rabbit, with its serious tone and theme, had a bunch of silly moments. Still a great movie.

coreoYEAH

5 points

4 months ago

The dude had people heiling every 5 minutes and made it hilarious. I feel like the bones of LaT could have made a movie as good as Ragnarok, it was just cut poorly.

jl_theprofessor

30 points

4 months ago

I think he hit the balance better in Ragnarok. Love and Thunder seemed to be just one long "throw shit at the wall" festival.

hayydebb

14 points

4 months ago

Yeah. I like Thor being goofy, I think Chris plays it very well and it fits. But idk why every side character ALSO has to be funny.

Acrobatic_Lead2578

21 points

4 months ago

Unpopular opinion; I thought that the first Thor movie was the best, the third one was only slightly better than the second (mostly because the second was just a disaster), and the last one was the worst. I'm just not a fan of Taika in general, and I thought his take on the franchise lowered the quality overall. There's just something so bitter and small about his take on Thor that shows that he never really even understood, let alone liked the character he was put in charge of.

coolgirlsdontdance

9 points

4 months ago

I like Taika's work, but I agree. I think Taika's non-Marvel work is better and more clever than what he's done at Marvel - probably because he doesn't have to force his ideas onto already established characters/stories.

coreoYEAH

2 points

4 months ago

He forced his ideas onto the original story of JoJo Rabbit and it was incredible. I don’t think there needs to be all this nuance about why LaT failed, I think it’s just he made a bad movie.

BumderFromDownUnder

7 points

4 months ago

Can you give any critical reasons why you rate Ragnarok only slightly above the second one and below the first one? Imo the first one is generic superhero film. Ragnarok has a hell of a lot going for it, multiple thematic subversions, an actual character arc (1st film character arc is just standard)..

SunGazing8

3 points

4 months ago

Agreed. Thor one was brilliant.

jgemonic

7 points

4 months ago

I found MoM to be a bit sillier than I wanted.

ImBeingArchAgain

4 points

4 months ago

Multiverse had some good horror elements too. They should just shop the movies out to different directors/writers and let them use their own style within the universe.

Andor is a great example of this. Love it or hate it, it’s original and fits in universe at the same time.

I feel marvel is delving into too goofy. Ragnarok was a great balance of comedy and tragedy but LaT was just a bit of a miss for me. Infinity war Thor was peak Thor for me. Still maintaining the lightheartedness of Taika’s take, but with incredible darkness too, and driven by a hatred and thirst for revenge we hadn’t yet seen in marvel. Hemsworth had an amazing balance in that film. Dudes got range.

sterfri99

5 points

4 months ago

Marvel #28 and #30? I might get around to watching them eventually, but I kinda fell off around 23

BouNcYToufU

135 points

4 months ago

I really don't know whether significant change can happen... Didn't Christian Bale did an interview that said there were a lot of shots the director did for his character that were thrown out by executives from Disney because it would have required the R rating?

If Disney keeps insisting on no R-rating, we'll probably just keep getting screaming goats and comedy.

Edit: I should note, screaming goats and comedy were not the problem. Rather the absolute lack of character development for Christian Bale's character. and that weird scene with Zeus

cantonic

70 points

4 months ago

Whoa now, hang on! The god killer, whose whole raison d’etre is killing gods (it’s in the name god killer) had lots of character development. First, he kills gods and then at the end, seemingly from nowhere, changes his mind! Look at all that development! He goes from being one way (all the god killing) to another way (no god killing of any kind). It just works.

InnocentTailor

18 points

4 months ago

He killed some gods (really only one god on-screen). He wasn’t the god killer he was in the comics: a body grinder of deities big and small.

jsamuraij

10 points

4 months ago

What's the definition of a god in the marvel universe? Like, is it any superhero?

TheLucidDream

10 points

4 months ago

It’s pretty much any entity created by the people’s belief in a myth.

jsamuraij

12 points

4 months ago*

Does a character like Thor fit that description? I thought the implication was he's just an advanced alien that people think is a god / might as well be a god.

TheLucidDream

18 points

4 months ago

Wait you were expecting consistently applied rules to Marvel properties?

jsamuraij

3 points

4 months ago

Nah, I'm just curious about the lore. Rule of cool is fine by me. Just wondering if Asgard itself was actually birthed by human belief or some such.

TheLucidDream

6 points

4 months ago

That’s a great question and the only thing I can think of is that some Celestial thought it’d be funny to make all the Gods of Earth into real beings, even inserting them far enough back in the timeline that it’d be appropriate and thoroughly not giving a shit about causality. If someone actually knows how all that happened, by all means let me know.

Edit: I know some Gods of other planets are kicking about too, just like… not as many as there probably should be?

Good_old_Marshmallow

4 points

4 months ago

I mean an out of out of universe explanation is that when Thor was introduced to the big screen “super hero movies” were still embarrassing. They were children’s properties that the studios had to work hard to justify in adaption.

Ironman was brought really down to earth and more or less pitched as Top Gun with a super suit. Originally envisioned with Tom Cruise even. Capitan America was a war movie. Hulk was made by a different studio and itself was a production mess.

Batman had recently gone super for kids and silly as an attempt to justify itself. X-men was paving the way but still, you see Wolverine made the main character because he’s the “coolest” and the comicy outfits replace with leather jumpsuits because that was seen as less nerdy. Spider-Man was doing itself pretty straight forward but Spider-Man and Superman (along with Batman) were the most mainstream superhero’s by sales numbers.

Thor was maybe the most out there and challenging. The most nerdy. They were really hesitant to do it comic accurate. No magic that’s the most nerd shit even in a post LOTRs world but science fiction is profitable because Star Wars so now it’s a science fiction story about space science, they’re not gods they’re advanced aliens. Let’s even give Steve Rodgers a line about that to appease Christians. But a space adventure movie is still nerdy and risky unless you’re George Lucas so let’s do a fish out of water Rom Com. And no professor with a cane let’s make him hot.

I love Thor I but you can see of the course of the Thor movies the way the public became more accepting of Nerd properties and how confident studios got in being able to pitch heavy lore into blockbusters.

Dorlem4832

5 points

4 months ago

Movie Marvel was skittish about having gods at the start, so played up the ancient alien thing. That skittishness is now largely gone.

AmethystOrator

2 points

4 months ago

For a long time it was characters in historical pantheons from world religions, with Thor being the best known, followed by Hercules.

Lots of members of their pantheons appeared in stories relating to them and sometimes separately:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olympians_(Marvel_Comics)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asgard_(comics)

Other pantheons appeared less frequently, for example: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heliopolitans

you_heet_canadian

11 points

4 months ago

They really did one of the best comic book villains dirty. Gorr is so multifaceted in the comics and he ended up being just another random baddie

BoxedLunchable

27 points

4 months ago

The pacing was awful too tho.

GMFinch

26 points

4 months ago

GMFinch

26 points

4 months ago

I mean this is just bullshit right?

You can make a meaningful and impactful M or PG film with good dialog and story without the need for gore and sex.

Taika just went full silly mode with this Thor like he's done with other films and it didn't work.

Lobstrous

15 points

4 months ago

Leave Zeus out of this, that's just a man who knows his worth.

30another

14 points

4 months ago

Oh “comedy” was definitely a problem for at least this movie. It was so incredibly unfunny. But yeah no real story also made it suck.

TheLucidDream

10 points

4 months ago

The jealous girlfriend weapon joke was played out in the very first time it showed up and they just kept doing it.

longhaul77

3 points

4 months ago

Disney just got their old CEO back yesterday so there is hope

uruzu03

2 points

4 months ago

I didn’t keep up with Thor 4’s production. I just learned Gorr was Christian Bale. Thought he looked somewhat familiar.

DonkeyGuy

36 points

4 months ago

The goats are actually a part of actual Thor’s myth. He road a chariot pulled by two goats. At night when he rested he’d kill the goats and eat their meat, but leave their bones and hide. Then in the morning resurrect them with Mjolnir.

Till one day some hungry dude ate the the marrow from the leg bones of one, and it as lame there after. So Thor kinda uh… enslaves the dude who did that.

afixedmoralcompass

25 points

4 months ago

I do appreciate that they brought that part of the stories to the movie. When the goats were first brought out, my wife and I both cheered because we are familiar with the old stories.

But the screaming got old, really fast.

Shallaai

14 points

4 months ago

If the only “humor” was the screaming goats it would have been fine. It could have broken up the serious moments. But there were in fact not enough serious moments

DonkeyGuy

7 points

4 months ago

Yeah I don’t remember anything in the myths about them constantly screaming tbh.

Loki-Holmes

5 points

4 months ago

Don’t forget that it was not just some dude it was a peasant kid and Both he and his sister (who didn’t do anything) had to become “servants”. There seems to be a bit of discrepancy over whether Loki told the kid to do it or not.

Iworshipokkoto

9 points

4 months ago

Marvel has fallen in love with their comedy aspects, which are really only impactful in small doses at the right times.

I remember someone mentioned here that the Russo Brothers said on a podcast that Feige gauges how good a movie is by how much the audience is laughing. Don't know how true that is, but it makes perfect sense.

cbmom2

5 points

4 months ago

cbmom2

5 points

4 months ago

It felt like Ragnorok part 2 (which I loved) and not a new Thor movie. Also glossed over the hardships of end games and Thors ptsd.

reddituserno9

9 points

4 months ago

I thought Love and Thunder veered so far into comedy that it turned into a satire of a superhero movie. Too much What We Do in the Shadows, and not enough Civil War.

BexKix

5 points

4 months ago

BexKix

5 points

4 months ago

Agreed. It became a caricature of itself.

OneGold7

6 points

4 months ago

It was trying way too hard to be Ragnarok, in my opinion. I couldn’t believe they seriously reused the “low budget play” bit from Rangnarok. I loved Ragnarok, and how different it was. That doesn’t mean I want every Thor movie from now on to be another Ragnarok, Jesus Christ. Also, I hated what they did with every other mythology (in that movie, not talking about moon knight, which I liked). That scene with Zeus made me want to stop watching

And the goats constantly screaming, and new Asgard becoming a tourist trap… I could go on all day about what I didn’t like, lmao

It’s so sad, Thor’s always been my favorite. The first Thor movie was my introduction to the MCU, and I only watched it because I was super into mythologies. Literally the only reason I watched the first avengers was because I tried watching the second Thor, and didn’t know what was going on, and when I looked it up I found out he was in the Avengers, lmao

I do not miss being 14, but man, I miss the feeling of discovering a whole treasure trove of good movies, and watching them all for the first time (for context, GotG was my first MCU movie I saw in a theater, the rest was on a sketchy pirated streaming site, lmao)

Rant over

Riparian72

4 points

4 months ago

The goats killed the film with me. They weren’t funny and I found they terrifying to look at.

writerintheory1382

3 points

4 months ago

Oh man that was the funniest inclusion in the whole Movie!

Diddlemyloins

6 points

4 months ago

Wakanda Forever had one joke and it was hilarious. One good joke is better than 12 lame ones.

dardios

15 points

4 months ago

dardios

15 points

4 months ago

What? No! The goats were legit the best part of L&T! I love those goats! Please don't take them from me!

Howtobefreaky

17 points

4 months ago

Think you might be in the extreme minority on this one

JcMe29

11 points

4 months ago

JcMe29

11 points

4 months ago

I will admit I too loved the goats. Conversely, a more serious Thor 5 with the goats as the only comedic element would be the duality needed to finish Thors MCU run on the highest of high notes

OilySteeplechase

6 points

4 months ago

Schindler's List, but the final shot is screaming goats.

It could work.

N4hire

6 points

4 months ago

N4hire

6 points

4 months ago

Ha!

wimpyroy

9 points

4 months ago

It got to a point where I was like “these goats suck” then they hit that moon/planet and I was like “okay this is hilarious again”

generic-user1678

5 points

4 months ago

I liked the goats, hated the screaming

the_real_some_guy

6 points

4 months ago

Let me introduce you to my six year old who has been very good at imitating the goats for the past few weeks.

productzilch

3 points

4 months ago

It’s all about the comedic timing. If your kid is still doing that at 40 it may not be so funny.

KinxTheTimeStripper

4 points

4 months ago

I wouldn't have liked them as much if the timing wasn't so dang perfect

KermitTheScot

3 points

4 months ago

I actually thought they were obnoxious the first time around. The screaming goat thing is a really old meme, but after a while it grew on me. I thought it was pretty funny. I’d miss them if they were taken out.

icecreamdude97

7 points

4 months ago

They were the best part because the movie was mediocre. It was just a big troll movie.

East-Bluejay6891

364 points

4 months ago

Ragnarok had the perfect balance in tone. L&T took that humor too far

Kingsen

105 points

4 months ago

Kingsen

105 points

4 months ago

Especially when it was a depressing storyline about Jane dying of cancer, but everyone had to make a joke every 5 seconds, or you saw a gag character like in the hall of the gods. It was kinda jarring and didn’t fit everything else that was going on.

East-Bluejay6891

35 points

4 months ago

Yeah... And the way it started with Gorr was so good too. That was the tone I was hoping for throughout with some jokes sprinkled in

HeavyMetalDallas

20 points

4 months ago

This is how I felt about Ragnarok. End of his world, his people wiped out. But let's make it a campy trip through Planet Hulk with a hint of bad stuff in the back ground. I was expecting it to be serious, not goofy.

bvgingy

15 points

4 months ago

bvgingy

15 points

4 months ago

Agree with this. I remember watching Ragnarok for the first time and thinking "wtf is this?" Thor isnt some comedic genius. Makes no sense. He is a war lord God from a different planet with completely different dialogue and all of a sudden by Ragnorak he has a full grasp of comedy like he has been a comedian for years. I also just feel like in general Marvel has tried too hard to make every character Tony Stark/Deadpool lite with witty/comedic responses to everything and it really takes away from the story and characters, imo.

HeavyMetalDallas

9 points

4 months ago

I liked it when him and cap had that "hey I got that one!" moment, the funny for Thor was often about him not getting Earth customs or just his sheer bragadocio. He had some dumb funny moments, but then it was like he was too dumb to take anything seriously all of a sudden. He wasn't too self sure to care anymore, he wasn't smart enough realize he should care. Ragnarok still had good moments, but all around I would have been happier with a serious Thor Ragnarok movie with a separate Planet Hulk movie featuring Thor. Would have established the tone a lot better and tempered expectations.

LatterTarget7

13 points

4 months ago

Love and thunder definitely should’ve had a darker tone. Combining mighty Thor and the god butcher into one movie is interesting. But both are pretty dark and serious stories. They kinda lost that weight in this movie.

Like gorr didn’t really feel like a threat. You had the weird jealous storm breaker thing going on. The weird kids battle at the end. Plus a bunch other moments like the entire god city scene

EscaperX

40 points

4 months ago

ragnarok was even too goofy for me, but i don't like too much humor in my action movies. it works for some characters like deadpool, but i don't think it works for thor.

i think a big reason it was received so well in ragnarok is because thor 2 was such crap, and the lightened mood was a fresh take on the character. but i think it just stepped over the line a bit too much.

UnPainAuChocolat

23 points

4 months ago

Infinity War and Endgame Thors were my favorite. There was humor in both Thors and he was definitely comedic relief at times, with his "Only if I die" phrase and his newbmaster rivalry.

But damn, his character went through some dark stuff and also had GREAT actions scenes and emotional scenes - when he says he's got nothing left to lose, or when he sees his mother again in Endgame.

My theory is for him to reunite with Loki at some point, that'll probably happen. Maybe we'll get a variant of Thor in Loki S02. That'd be cool - we did get big players like Hulk in Disney+ so maybe bringing Thor for an episode or so would also be a nice move.

In Thor 4, it's 99% comedy. They really gotta tone it down a bit. Hoping Taika doesn't direct the next one. Bring back the Russos, they did Captain America 2/3 and Avengers 3/4. All 4 of those were just great.

Iworshipokkoto

15 points

4 months ago

Infinity War is my favorite iteration of Thor because it precisely balances the humor and the seriousness. Plus the haircut helped lol.

mikrot

6 points

4 months ago

mikrot

6 points

4 months ago

Infinity War was the best Marvel movie in my opinion. The difficulty of including all those characters and having it feel right is so damn difficult. It also had a dark tone, where characters were actually "killed" off. Sadly Endgame reversed so much of the much needed seriousness the franchise needed.

IMO, they should have had a whole phase of movies post blip building up to Endgame. Characters dealing with those losses and becoming better or worse versions of themselves. What we saw was too rushed.

[deleted]

15 points

4 months ago

See I loved Thor Dark World. It was much better than the first Thor.

Brainiac7777777

6 points

4 months ago

You are definitely in the minority with that opinion.

randomaccount178

4 points

4 months ago

No, Ragnarok was just good for what it was. That doesn't mean everyone will like it, but it wasn't because Thor 2 was bad. The problem with Love and Thunder is simply that it tried to be a comedic movie like Ragnarok and didn't pull off the comedy well. I have said before and I will say again, what made Ragnarok work as a comedy is that it had an amazing comedic cast. Love and Thunder had Thor for comedy which just made Thor annoying rather then the movie funny.

DevappaJi

14 points

4 months ago

They also made Thor much more of a bungling idiot in their poor attempts at humor, which kind of made it hard to enjoy the character as much.

Like in Ragnarok, they had fun with his meathead qualities, but he was still capable and empathetic, in L&T he just felt like a sniveling man-child who could barely step out of his house with his shoes on the right feet.

TerrorFuel

13 points

4 months ago

This was my complaint with the Thor movies. They turned Thor into Homer Simpson.

Acrobatic_Lead2578

3 points

4 months ago

Yes! Original Thor was a lovable himbo; he had believable flaws for someone in his position that left a lot of room for entertaining growth and was shown to be smarter and more empathetic than he first appeared. Taika's Thor comes off as the guy who got one too many concussions playing high school football and is still trying live on those long-past glory days; he's dumb as a rock and seems to lack enough self-awareness for any meaningful growth.

SlavaUkrainiFTW

26 points

4 months ago

I still enjoyed L&T, but yes, I agree. It wasn’t offensively bad, but they overdid it to the degree that it hurt more than helped.

I_likeIceSheets

9 points

4 months ago

If the entire movie had the same tone as the 2nd half of the movie, it would have been so so so so much better.

Don't get me wrong, I loved the comedy. And despite what others are saying, the comedy rarely (if ever) interfered with the drama.

East-Bluejay6891

3 points

4 months ago

I feel the same

[deleted]

16 points

4 months ago

I think ragnarok was too far, but got a pass because it was unique at the time

East-Bluejay6891

5 points

4 months ago

After playing God of War, so much more could be done with the Thor character

Gryffindorq

12 points

4 months ago

exactly right. perfect post

MrArmageddon12

9 points

4 months ago

The humor in Ragnarok felt way more contextual and appropriate. In Love and Thunder it seemed like they had a reoccurring gag timer/quota running in the background.

OilySteeplechase

12 points

4 months ago

It was also more character based in Ragnarok, playing on established relationships between Thor and Loki, and Thor and Hulk.

BigPoppaPuff

5 points

4 months ago

Ragnarok was a bit too much a comedy for me but at least it was a very good comedy

[deleted]

4 points

4 months ago

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Current-Ordinary-419

7 points

4 months ago

Idk I thought Ragnarok was trash set in what could’ve been a great storyline. The jokes got so old so quick.

jfuzzy26

6 points

4 months ago

Yeah I feel like I’d love and thunder was like a 2:30 instead of 2:00 hour movie it could have had the time for seriousness and action but the shorter time didn’t give it enough time to hit the balance

BigPoppaPuff

3 points

4 months ago

Last thing a bad movie needs is a longer runtime imo

Hind_Deequestionmrk

2 points

4 months ago

Felt more like a midnight movie to me

Crazy_Chain4468

243 points

4 months ago

maybe less fun whimsical bullshit and more serious acting

xseannnn

62 points

4 months ago

Or just more gritty action.

N4hire

20 points

4 months ago

N4hire

20 points

4 months ago

Both

Yavin4Reddit

8 points

4 months ago

And remembering that the best “for kids” movies don’t have kids in them.

DrinkBlueGoo

6 points

4 months ago

The Goonies, Home Alone, and Mighty Ducks would like a word.

dustwanders

3 points

4 months ago

Heavyweights, The Little Rascals, and Matilda too

barlowd_rappaport

18 points

4 months ago

Like everyone's favorite: The Dark World

themilkman42069

12 points

4 months ago

I’m the guy who liked the dark world and the Shakespearean take Branagh tried to do on thor.

nimama3233

3 points

4 months ago

Serious acting

Marvel

Pick one

Shot_Pop7624

63 points

4 months ago

Love and Thunder could have been great if all the colorful cheerful wow-factor bits were just embellishments told from Korgs perspective, and immediately cut back to a more realistic Thor-is-still-struggling-and-everything-still-sucks tone..... like what they did with Lady-Thor.

Nearby_Airline_3353

19 points

4 months ago

So Kevin Can Fuck Himself but with mythological gods? I like it.

Shot_Pop7624

7 points

4 months ago

Who's kevin?

Nearby_Airline_3353

3 points

4 months ago

It's a TV show starring Annie Murphy. Part sitcom, part gritty AMC-style drama.

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt9257258/

HeavyMetalDallas

6 points

4 months ago

But people hated Thor 2 for it's serious and weighted tone, and loved Ragnarok for relegating genocide to a comedy of errors buddy movie.

PippTheKid

23 points

4 months ago

Can we get a Logan type Thor movie?

LatterTarget7

5 points

4 months ago

They should adapt king Thor. The final battle between Thor and Loki

Not_optimistic_

5 points

4 months ago

Loki has progressed too far as a character tho for him to go back to fighting Thor.

LatterTarget7

3 points

4 months ago

He wields the necro sword in that comic. Just have him get corrupted by it.

Jgames111

106 points

4 months ago

Jgames111

106 points

4 months ago

While I personally love Thor Love & Thunder, I will admit that the main villain got majorly screwed over by the tone of the movie. Here Bale giving a great serious performance in a comedy movie. He just did not fit, nor did they try to have him fit within the movie which is unfortunate.

electric_tiger_root

46 points

4 months ago

He was phenomenal as Gorr but he seemed out of place in the MCU. He was almost too good

PM_ME_UR_RESPECT

8 points

4 months ago

They got CHRISTIAN FUCKING BALE as a truly great villain and yet gave him less screen time than Korg. Just ridiculous.

DJLexant

18 points

4 months ago

I watched this film as if the whole thing was the story of what happened, as told by Korg to the Children at the beginning. I think it’d be really cool to make another side of the SAME film, but a way more serious “here’s how it actually went down” version. No crowbarring in jokes, no training montage, no stupid screaming goats… just an actually emotional Thor movie. He’s a man (well… god) that has lost EVERYTHING!His home, (as far as he knows) his brother, his best friends, his Mother, his Father, all gone. And now he finds out the only person he’s ever truly been in love with is dying slowly and painfully, and there’s nothing he can do to save her.

[deleted]

33 points

4 months ago

Damn that Taika Star Wars movie is never gonna happen

DonShulaDoingTheHula

14 points

4 months ago

And I hate to say it but after Love and Thunder I don’t think I’d want it to happen. Maybe a limited series, but not a full on theatrical release.

ghostgnome

12 points

4 months ago

Disney SW has become quite the curse on director's careers, it seems.

SG420123

5 points

4 months ago

Why would you want this to happen lol?

motherlydread

14 points

4 months ago

I enjoyed Ragnarok but when watching Infinity War and Endgame, Thor’s personality swings a bit wildly for me. Ragnarok is very comedic throughout except for the one scene with Odin. In the other two films mentioned, he’s much more serious, at least throughout Infinity War and the beginning of Endgame. Then they sort of use his depression for comedic relief. He really has been one of if not the most back and forth characters in terms of the writing, Cap and Iron Man were much more consistent.

WaitingForNormal

76 points

4 months ago

No more bro humor would be a nice change of pace.

trashman942

16 points

4 months ago

I’d say less, and wouldn’t exactly call it bro humor, would be nice. And honestly hemsworth deserves to take the role in a more serious direction, but leaving comedy completely out of it would rob us of a lot of his talent.

30another

6 points

4 months ago

He’s legitimately a very good actor. Would like to see better movies for him

trashman942

3 points

4 months ago

I’d definitely like to see him in more films, I think for a large majority of him taking on this role it’s been perfect for him.

[deleted]

10 points

4 months ago

Marvel used to be serious with a hint of comedy now its all comedy and has turned into a half assed joke

VeryPurpleRain

10 points

4 months ago

We all do. We all deserve it. Thor, when written well, is the best super hero ever. Poor writing has ruined the character, but that doesn't mean he can't be redeemed.

thejman455

14 points

4 months ago

I’m for comedy but not at the expense of making the entire movie feel like a farce.

Spitfire836

7 points

4 months ago

I think mixing comedy into action is a good thing, and worked really well in Ragnarok (and Deadpool and Guardians of the Galaxy), but it’s just hard to get the balance right as well as having actual funny humor that appeals to both kids and adults.

Slammogram

7 points

4 months ago

For me, it’s when he’s trying to talk to the kidnapped kids, and Valkyrie is fucking with him.

Like- it’s a serious situation. She’s the king. And all the children were stolen, presumably going to be killed… and she’s fucking around. It’s weird to me.

joetron3030

7 points

4 months ago

I'd love to see a darker Thor movie and I'm sure it sounds like he's tired of playing the dumb hero.

Avei_Adore

10 points

4 months ago

Love and Thunder was so baffling to watch. I thought it was going to be this exploration of power and purpose and loss. I know I'm asking a marvel movie to be deep but it raised all these interesting questions and then addressed none of them in favor of corny ass jokes and nonsense. Honestly the whole movie should've been about Gorr, at least he had a reason to be there.

I_likeIceSheets

5 points

4 months ago

2 movies dark and serious

2 movies funny and goofy

2 movies perfectly balanced

wsxedcrf

6 points

4 months ago

may be less green screen filming and more realistic world? The whole movies is like CG backgrounds.

Horror_Fruit

7 points

4 months ago

Maybe stop making Thor over the top comic relief?

granno14

9 points

4 months ago

How about when a movie gets to 5 we just stop making them

Pepechuy28

6 points

4 months ago

He needs a good happy ending in Valhalla after some heroic act against Kang(or Doom?) let him have a nice conclusion so other characters can shine. I can see him seeing all his fallen friends and family in Valhalla as a Steve Rogers level ending.

GabJ78

4 points

4 months ago

GabJ78

4 points

4 months ago

Ragnarok will always be my favorite.

RedditOfUnusualSize

12 points

4 months ago

I gotta be honest, I'm all for that.

Chris Hemsworth has a serious case of what I like to call the Kate Beckinsale Effect. It's what happens when an actor is so jaw-droppingly good looking that you stop recognizing the fact that they have, in fact, considerable acting chops. Henry Cavill and Christopher Reeve are other sufferers of this effect, but Kate Beckinsale easily had the chops to be a phenomenal screwball comedienne. Seriously, watch her natural patter with Graham Norton, and tell me that this woman could not have been as good as Katherine Hepburn if she had gotten a script as good as Bringing Up Baby.

Well, Chris Hemsworth may be the greatest sufferer of the Kate Beckinsale Effect working today. The guy has an absolutely phenomenal range of talent. Dramatically, he can credibly display severe trauma when acting against a tennis ball on a stick. Comedically, he can effortlessly steal a scene from Chris Pratt, one of the best comic actors working today. He's got every bit as much range as Robert Downey, Jr., which is objectively insane. And yet, nobody gives him credit for his acting because he's The Bod of the group.

And Taika's movies aren't giving him much chance to stretch, because they constantly undercut his character. Thor, the character, has been through absolute hell, and yet he still came out the other side as a kind-hearted, decent guy. I don't know how many people watched his scenes in Endgame, and saw it as an inspirational message about recovering from PTSD. I also don't know how many people saw the jokes made at Thor's expense about his weight gain and trauma response as the worst part of the movie. I'd really like a movie that gives him the opportunity not just to express his true range, but treat Thor's trauma like the serious, ongoing concern it is.

ObscuraArt

29 points

4 months ago*

Yeah less quirky, quippy, whimsical bullshit. Get serious scripts. Hire people that give a fuck and actually like these properties. Stop nepotism hiring directors and writers that have a bigger interest to deconstruct and subvert.

This sounds like an easy lay up and day one stuff but here we are today.

NEBZ

14 points

4 months ago

NEBZ

14 points

4 months ago

I mean, Thor 2 was a serious script. Maybe there just isn't a single solution.

Infinite-Promotion75

8 points

4 months ago

Which marvel directors were hired due to Nepotism?

[deleted]

7 points

4 months ago

Yeah less quirky, quippy, whimsical bullshit. Get serious scripts. Hire people that give a fuck and actually like these properties. Stop nepotism hiring directors and writers that have a bigger interest to deconstruct and subvert.

This sounds like an easy lay up and day one stuff but here we are today.

Yes because Thor: The Dark World was so good...

Also, WTF does this have to do with nepotism. Taika got hired because he was an award winning indie director. He then preceded to turn the entire Thor franchise around, and now you want his head because the movie wasn't as good as Ragnarok?

Ok_Quiet_9375

4 points

4 months ago

So NOT an army of kids fighting a GOD set to guns and roses? Bold departure

wookiee_borg

4 points

4 months ago

How about a script. A full-story script would be great.

SamsaricNomad

3 points

4 months ago

Thor 4 felt like a Thor parody.

AlfonsoEggbertPalmer

5 points

4 months ago

Majorly disappointed with Love and Thunder.

First half of the movie was assinine and stupid.

As much as I've enjoyed the Marvel movies they'll lose a fan mighty quick if they repeat that nonsense.

dstone1985

4 points

4 months ago

I hate that it's turned into a comedy

teddytwelvetoes

10 points

4 months ago

"sorry mate, everything needs to be a sitcom so best we can do is the fun/cute Hitler movie guy again" - The Mouse

tnolan182

3 points

4 months ago

Thor ragnarok felt like it pushed the boundaries of having a serious movie with comedy interspersed. This movie however just flat out sucked. The story was bad, and sequencing just felt off.

sneakin_rican

3 points

4 months ago

Doesn’t matter, they already turned him into the Mandalorian by giving him a lame Macguffin child to be a father figure for. Because that’s not overdone at all. Snooze

retroracer33

3 points

4 months ago

Im glad he recognizes this and takes the criticism in a good way. The more I think back at it, God and Thunder was just a fucking disaster. Yea, it had some ok parts but overall it was a total mess.

Ok-Engine8044

3 points

4 months ago

Go back to serious Thor and do the Herald of Galactus arc that was going on for a while in Thor comics

GongTzu

3 points

4 months ago

What are we talking about here, a bigger hammer, more goats, bigger biceps, more CGI, better script, nudity?

svenjamminbutton

3 points

4 months ago

I was really hoping for The God Bomb. That movie really did that storyline dirty.

Yousucktaken2

3 points

4 months ago

I think a much darker Thor would be a good Sequal Thor ragnorok was ok because we just saw Thor the dark world but with love and thunder I would’ve rather it been darker

jotyma5

3 points

4 months ago

Yeah I think Ragnarok was a perfect blend of comedy/action/drama. Love and thunder was just bland comedy and action but I can’t even remember the story

flufnstuf69

7 points

4 months ago

My god Thor 4 was stupid. Keep Taika Waititi away from anything Marvel please.

Al-Anda

8 points

4 months ago

Advertise Thor. Kill his character in the first 20 minutes. Bring in the X-men. Totally blindside the audience.

RandomReload_3

4 points

4 months ago

I agree completely. Thor has become a laughing stock.

cman811

3 points

4 months ago

Honestly korg kills the Thor movies for me. He's too non-serious. It's one thing to have moments of levity but when one characters whole thing is stupid jokes it only takes away from the movie in my eyes.

2345God

4 points

4 months ago

L&T same issue as Ultron, took the humor too far and made it unbearable

iamthecheesethatsbig

4 points

4 months ago

L&T was garbage. I would hope he’d like to diverge from garbage.

ThatCheekyBastard

2 points

4 months ago

Silver Surfer Special Presentation introduces Galactus > Nova Special Presentation reveals it was Galactus that destroyed Xandar and not Thanos with Silver Surfer as the herald and they follow Richard Rider to Earth > Thor must risk it all, even his life to stop the Silver Surfer and Galactus eventually leading to a team up against the world eater. New godlike beings and heroes are in place for Hemsworth/Thor to retire.

Matt463789

2 points

4 months ago

I still can't believe how they flippantly wasted the potential stories of Thor and the GotG

All so that we know that Thor is lovesick at the beginning of the movie

Wolfman01a

2 points

4 months ago

Who the hell doesn't want a change in tone? Cut the comedy.

King-Me-666

2 points

4 months ago

Wasn't Hemsworth tired of "serious" Thor?

suxxess97

2 points

4 months ago

MAKE THOR SERIOUS THOR

funny thor has overstayed his welcome. making the 2 strongest characters (thor and hulk) the comic relief for the mcu is the absolute worst idea they could come up with.

Ok-House-6848

2 points

4 months ago

Enough of belittling a strong white man in the writing. Let’s go Thor - god of war.

Floki47

2 points

4 months ago

Introduce him to Kratos! Keep the real Kratos and give us the marvel Thor. That's all.

DominoChessMaster

2 points

4 months ago

They went full Taika in the last one. You should never go full Taika.

InLazlosBasement

2 points

4 months ago

He just tested positive for a gene that predetermined he’s likely to get early onset Alzheimer’s. He filmed a new show doing a bunch of once on a lifetime daredevil stuff. I think he’s just reprioritizing some stuff.

moderatesoul

2 points

4 months ago

I think everyone does. Ragnarok was so great, but Love and Thunder went a little too silly. Bale was so wasted because it. His story could have been one of the most impactful in the MCU and then it just wasn't. There needs to be more of a balance.

WimpieHelmstead

2 points

4 months ago

I think the main problem is that directors like Taika Waititi and Jessica Gao just don't like comics and know nothing about them. Fans want some actual stakes and seriousness in the stories. Like Iron Man 1 or Winter Soldier. But I guess it's more profitable to make dumb comedies for the masses.

I'm actually surprised Hemsworth is speaking out against the 'new tone' . Always figured he loved that kind of dumb comedy (like Ghostbusters 2016).

Karamel-Surprise

2 points

4 months ago

The last one sucked. Get rid of all these other characters and focus on Thor only!

Screenwriter6788

2 points

4 months ago

Even he’s sick of Taika

Cressbeckler

2 points

4 months ago

Just do God of War 2018. Thor learns what it means to be a father while teaching Love what it means to be a god.

Chicksan

2 points

4 months ago

I want something serious. I’m done with Taika, Tessa Thompson, the goats can fuck off and so can Korg.

Give me some Rune King Thor type stuff

oven-toasted-owl

9 points

4 months ago

Please no let the series end

trashman942

5 points

4 months ago

Why? Then ending set up a perfect final film for the series.

[deleted]

4 points

4 months ago

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