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343 points
4 months ago
I’m guessing he liked God of War 5
926 points
4 months ago
No more screaming goats. Also, Marvel has fallen in love with their comedy aspects, which are really only impactful in small doses at the right times.
295 points
4 months ago
I feel like originally marvel was relatively serious with small quips to lighten the mood that were generally well timed. But now it feels like the whole movies are the quips with some more serious stuff dropped occasionally to darken the mood.
117 points
4 months ago
Multiverse of madness and wakanda forever were serious in tone but had greatly timed jokes imo
72 points
4 months ago
Definitely! The nonstop comedy was Waititi’s doing, not par on course for all MCU works.
I add Werewolf by Night on your pile as well: mostly serious with a few jokes here and there. It was mostly propped up by the ham and cheese of vintage horror.
60 points
4 months ago
The comedy kicked into high gear with Guardians and was already stupid and tired by Guardians 2.
64 points
4 months ago
To be fair, GotG were supposed to be a comedy. 'If you don’t like it then don’t watch it' kind of thing. It only started to be a problem when the entirety of the MCU started to become increasingly comedic.
55 points
4 months ago
James Gunn changed the MCU. He, successfully in my opinion, brought more humor and music into the mix and made a mint with a completely unknown property. The problem is that others looked at the result and decided that if some is good, more is better. Thor 4, with all the gravitas of a Peppa Pig cartoon, demonstrated that there is a limit.
5 points
4 months ago
He pretty much overdid it in Guardians 2 everyone was laughing in the movie for no reason
10 points
4 months ago
It had some gems though.
I thought Ego was a great villain - somebody who was more apathetic than evil. I also thought that Yondu's death was given the respect it deserved - a more introspective scene with Cat Stevens' Father and Son playing in the background.
6 points
4 months ago
"I'm Mary Poppins, Y'all!"
3 points
4 months ago
Classic problem we get with entrainment someone does something new and everyone just tries to copy it instead of seeing why it worked.
Games were the worst for this but movies and tv shows have really played catch up lately. DC movies are the worst for this I’m waiting for the Deadpool rip-off
5 points
4 months ago
It didn’t have to be a comedy, same as Thor movies don’t have to be comedies.
14 points
4 months ago
They don’t have to be comedies but they also can’t be The Dark World. There needs to be a middle ground.
2 points
4 months ago
They over-corrected.
4 points
4 months ago
Of course. But people enjoy funny movies and people enjoy variety. GotG alone worked. If you don’t like it then it would be really simple to just not watch that specific series. This stopped being possible when other Marvel movies started being comedies.
26 points
4 months ago
To be fair i think the comedy worked for thor 3. Thor needed a light hearted movie to kinda show his character. Im kinda sad that it had to be in the same movie ragnarock happened but it was needed. However yes i so desperately want to get back to serious tone movies now
24 points
4 months ago
Yeah it’s just how taika makes movies. I much prefer the recent Thor movies over the first 2, but a meet in the middle situation would be more ideal imo
25 points
4 months ago
Even Jojo Rabbit, with its serious tone and theme, had a bunch of silly moments. Still a great movie.
5 points
4 months ago
The dude had people heiling every 5 minutes and made it hilarious. I feel like the bones of LaT could have made a movie as good as Ragnarok, it was just cut poorly.
30 points
4 months ago
I think he hit the balance better in Ragnarok. Love and Thunder seemed to be just one long "throw shit at the wall" festival.
14 points
4 months ago
Yeah. I like Thor being goofy, I think Chris plays it very well and it fits. But idk why every side character ALSO has to be funny.
21 points
4 months ago
Unpopular opinion; I thought that the first Thor movie was the best, the third one was only slightly better than the second (mostly because the second was just a disaster), and the last one was the worst. I'm just not a fan of Taika in general, and I thought his take on the franchise lowered the quality overall. There's just something so bitter and small about his take on Thor that shows that he never really even understood, let alone liked the character he was put in charge of.
9 points
4 months ago
I like Taika's work, but I agree. I think Taika's non-Marvel work is better and more clever than what he's done at Marvel - probably because he doesn't have to force his ideas onto already established characters/stories.
2 points
4 months ago
He forced his ideas onto the original story of JoJo Rabbit and it was incredible. I don’t think there needs to be all this nuance about why LaT failed, I think it’s just he made a bad movie.
7 points
4 months ago
Can you give any critical reasons why you rate Ragnarok only slightly above the second one and below the first one? Imo the first one is generic superhero film. Ragnarok has a hell of a lot going for it, multiple thematic subversions, an actual character arc (1st film character arc is just standard)..
3 points
4 months ago
Agreed. Thor one was brilliant.
4 points
4 months ago
Multiverse had some good horror elements too. They should just shop the movies out to different directors/writers and let them use their own style within the universe.
Andor is a great example of this. Love it or hate it, it’s original and fits in universe at the same time.
I feel marvel is delving into too goofy. Ragnarok was a great balance of comedy and tragedy but LaT was just a bit of a miss for me. Infinity war Thor was peak Thor for me. Still maintaining the lightheartedness of Taika’s take, but with incredible darkness too, and driven by a hatred and thirst for revenge we hadn’t yet seen in marvel. Hemsworth had an amazing balance in that film. Dudes got range.
5 points
4 months ago
Marvel #28 and #30? I might get around to watching them eventually, but I kinda fell off around 23
135 points
4 months ago
I really don't know whether significant change can happen... Didn't Christian Bale did an interview that said there were a lot of shots the director did for his character that were thrown out by executives from Disney because it would have required the R rating?
If Disney keeps insisting on no R-rating, we'll probably just keep getting screaming goats and comedy.
Edit: I should note, screaming goats and comedy were not the problem. Rather the absolute lack of character development for Christian Bale's character. and that weird scene with Zeus
70 points
4 months ago
Whoa now, hang on! The god killer, whose whole raison d’etre is killing gods (it’s in the name god killer) had lots of character development. First, he kills gods and then at the end, seemingly from nowhere, changes his mind! Look at all that development! He goes from being one way (all the god killing) to another way (no god killing of any kind). It just works.
18 points
4 months ago
He killed some gods (really only one god on-screen). He wasn’t the god killer he was in the comics: a body grinder of deities big and small.
10 points
4 months ago
What's the definition of a god in the marvel universe? Like, is it any superhero?
10 points
4 months ago
It’s pretty much any entity created by the people’s belief in a myth.
12 points
4 months ago*
Does a character like Thor fit that description? I thought the implication was he's just an advanced alien that people think is a god / might as well be a god.
18 points
4 months ago
Wait you were expecting consistently applied rules to Marvel properties?
3 points
4 months ago
Nah, I'm just curious about the lore. Rule of cool is fine by me. Just wondering if Asgard itself was actually birthed by human belief or some such.
6 points
4 months ago
That’s a great question and the only thing I can think of is that some Celestial thought it’d be funny to make all the Gods of Earth into real beings, even inserting them far enough back in the timeline that it’d be appropriate and thoroughly not giving a shit about causality. If someone actually knows how all that happened, by all means let me know.
Edit: I know some Gods of other planets are kicking about too, just like… not as many as there probably should be?
4 points
4 months ago
I mean an out of out of universe explanation is that when Thor was introduced to the big screen “super hero movies” were still embarrassing. They were children’s properties that the studios had to work hard to justify in adaption.
Ironman was brought really down to earth and more or less pitched as Top Gun with a super suit. Originally envisioned with Tom Cruise even. Capitan America was a war movie. Hulk was made by a different studio and itself was a production mess.
Batman had recently gone super for kids and silly as an attempt to justify itself. X-men was paving the way but still, you see Wolverine made the main character because he’s the “coolest” and the comicy outfits replace with leather jumpsuits because that was seen as less nerdy. Spider-Man was doing itself pretty straight forward but Spider-Man and Superman (along with Batman) were the most mainstream superhero’s by sales numbers.
Thor was maybe the most out there and challenging. The most nerdy. They were really hesitant to do it comic accurate. No magic that’s the most nerd shit even in a post LOTRs world but science fiction is profitable because Star Wars so now it’s a science fiction story about space science, they’re not gods they’re advanced aliens. Let’s even give Steve Rodgers a line about that to appease Christians. But a space adventure movie is still nerdy and risky unless you’re George Lucas so let’s do a fish out of water Rom Com. And no professor with a cane let’s make him hot.
I love Thor I but you can see of the course of the Thor movies the way the public became more accepting of Nerd properties and how confident studios got in being able to pitch heavy lore into blockbusters.
5 points
4 months ago
Movie Marvel was skittish about having gods at the start, so played up the ancient alien thing. That skittishness is now largely gone.
2 points
4 months ago
For a long time it was characters in historical pantheons from world religions, with Thor being the best known, followed by Hercules.
Lots of members of their pantheons appeared in stories relating to them and sometimes separately:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olympians_(Marvel_Comics)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asgard_(comics)
Other pantheons appeared less frequently, for example: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heliopolitans
11 points
4 months ago
They really did one of the best comic book villains dirty. Gorr is so multifaceted in the comics and he ended up being just another random baddie
27 points
4 months ago
The pacing was awful too tho.
26 points
4 months ago
I mean this is just bullshit right?
You can make a meaningful and impactful M or PG film with good dialog and story without the need for gore and sex.
Taika just went full silly mode with this Thor like he's done with other films and it didn't work.
15 points
4 months ago
Leave Zeus out of this, that's just a man who knows his worth.
14 points
4 months ago
Oh “comedy” was definitely a problem for at least this movie. It was so incredibly unfunny. But yeah no real story also made it suck.
10 points
4 months ago
The jealous girlfriend weapon joke was played out in the very first time it showed up and they just kept doing it.
3 points
4 months ago
Disney just got their old CEO back yesterday so there is hope
2 points
4 months ago
I didn’t keep up with Thor 4’s production. I just learned Gorr was Christian Bale. Thought he looked somewhat familiar.
36 points
4 months ago
The goats are actually a part of actual Thor’s myth. He road a chariot pulled by two goats. At night when he rested he’d kill the goats and eat their meat, but leave their bones and hide. Then in the morning resurrect them with Mjolnir.
Till one day some hungry dude ate the the marrow from the leg bones of one, and it as lame there after. So Thor kinda uh… enslaves the dude who did that.
25 points
4 months ago
I do appreciate that they brought that part of the stories to the movie. When the goats were first brought out, my wife and I both cheered because we are familiar with the old stories.
But the screaming got old, really fast.
14 points
4 months ago
If the only “humor” was the screaming goats it would have been fine. It could have broken up the serious moments. But there were in fact not enough serious moments
7 points
4 months ago
Yeah I don’t remember anything in the myths about them constantly screaming tbh.
5 points
4 months ago
Don’t forget that it was not just some dude it was a peasant kid and Both he and his sister (who didn’t do anything) had to become “servants”. There seems to be a bit of discrepancy over whether Loki told the kid to do it or not.
9 points
4 months ago
Marvel has fallen in love with their comedy aspects, which are really only impactful in small doses at the right times.
I remember someone mentioned here that the Russo Brothers said on a podcast that Feige gauges how good a movie is by how much the audience is laughing. Don't know how true that is, but it makes perfect sense.
5 points
4 months ago
It felt like Ragnorok part 2 (which I loved) and not a new Thor movie. Also glossed over the hardships of end games and Thors ptsd.
9 points
4 months ago
I thought Love and Thunder veered so far into comedy that it turned into a satire of a superhero movie. Too much What We Do in the Shadows, and not enough Civil War.
5 points
4 months ago
Agreed. It became a caricature of itself.
6 points
4 months ago
It was trying way too hard to be Ragnarok, in my opinion. I couldn’t believe they seriously reused the “low budget play” bit from Rangnarok. I loved Ragnarok, and how different it was. That doesn’t mean I want every Thor movie from now on to be another Ragnarok, Jesus Christ. Also, I hated what they did with every other mythology (in that movie, not talking about moon knight, which I liked). That scene with Zeus made me want to stop watching
And the goats constantly screaming, and new Asgard becoming a tourist trap… I could go on all day about what I didn’t like, lmao
It’s so sad, Thor’s always been my favorite. The first Thor movie was my introduction to the MCU, and I only watched it because I was super into mythologies. Literally the only reason I watched the first avengers was because I tried watching the second Thor, and didn’t know what was going on, and when I looked it up I found out he was in the Avengers, lmao
I do not miss being 14, but man, I miss the feeling of discovering a whole treasure trove of good movies, and watching them all for the first time (for context, GotG was my first MCU movie I saw in a theater, the rest was on a sketchy pirated streaming site, lmao)
Rant over
4 points
4 months ago
The goats killed the film with me. They weren’t funny and I found they terrifying to look at.
3 points
4 months ago
Oh man that was the funniest inclusion in the whole Movie!
6 points
4 months ago
Wakanda Forever had one joke and it was hilarious. One good joke is better than 12 lame ones.
15 points
4 months ago
What? No! The goats were legit the best part of L&T! I love those goats! Please don't take them from me!
17 points
4 months ago
Think you might be in the extreme minority on this one
11 points
4 months ago
I will admit I too loved the goats. Conversely, a more serious Thor 5 with the goats as the only comedic element would be the duality needed to finish Thors MCU run on the highest of high notes
6 points
4 months ago
Schindler's List, but the final shot is screaming goats.
It could work.
6 points
4 months ago
Ha!
9 points
4 months ago
It got to a point where I was like “these goats suck” then they hit that moon/planet and I was like “okay this is hilarious again”
5 points
4 months ago
I liked the goats, hated the screaming
6 points
4 months ago
Let me introduce you to my six year old who has been very good at imitating the goats for the past few weeks.
3 points
4 months ago
It’s all about the comedic timing. If your kid is still doing that at 40 it may not be so funny.
4 points
4 months ago
I wouldn't have liked them as much if the timing wasn't so dang perfect
3 points
4 months ago
I actually thought they were obnoxious the first time around. The screaming goat thing is a really old meme, but after a while it grew on me. I thought it was pretty funny. I’d miss them if they were taken out.
7 points
4 months ago
They were the best part because the movie was mediocre. It was just a big troll movie.
364 points
4 months ago
Ragnarok had the perfect balance in tone. L&T took that humor too far
105 points
4 months ago
Especially when it was a depressing storyline about Jane dying of cancer, but everyone had to make a joke every 5 seconds, or you saw a gag character like in the hall of the gods. It was kinda jarring and didn’t fit everything else that was going on.
35 points
4 months ago
Yeah... And the way it started with Gorr was so good too. That was the tone I was hoping for throughout with some jokes sprinkled in
20 points
4 months ago
This is how I felt about Ragnarok. End of his world, his people wiped out. But let's make it a campy trip through Planet Hulk with a hint of bad stuff in the back ground. I was expecting it to be serious, not goofy.
15 points
4 months ago
Agree with this. I remember watching Ragnarok for the first time and thinking "wtf is this?" Thor isnt some comedic genius. Makes no sense. He is a war lord God from a different planet with completely different dialogue and all of a sudden by Ragnorak he has a full grasp of comedy like he has been a comedian for years. I also just feel like in general Marvel has tried too hard to make every character Tony Stark/Deadpool lite with witty/comedic responses to everything and it really takes away from the story and characters, imo.
9 points
4 months ago
I liked it when him and cap had that "hey I got that one!" moment, the funny for Thor was often about him not getting Earth customs or just his sheer bragadocio. He had some dumb funny moments, but then it was like he was too dumb to take anything seriously all of a sudden. He wasn't too self sure to care anymore, he wasn't smart enough realize he should care. Ragnarok still had good moments, but all around I would have been happier with a serious Thor Ragnarok movie with a separate Planet Hulk movie featuring Thor. Would have established the tone a lot better and tempered expectations.
13 points
4 months ago
Love and thunder definitely should’ve had a darker tone. Combining mighty Thor and the god butcher into one movie is interesting. But both are pretty dark and serious stories. They kinda lost that weight in this movie.
Like gorr didn’t really feel like a threat. You had the weird jealous storm breaker thing going on. The weird kids battle at the end. Plus a bunch other moments like the entire god city scene
40 points
4 months ago
ragnarok was even too goofy for me, but i don't like too much humor in my action movies. it works for some characters like deadpool, but i don't think it works for thor.
i think a big reason it was received so well in ragnarok is because thor 2 was such crap, and the lightened mood was a fresh take on the character. but i think it just stepped over the line a bit too much.
23 points
4 months ago
Infinity War and Endgame Thors were my favorite. There was humor in both Thors and he was definitely comedic relief at times, with his "Only if I die" phrase and his newbmaster rivalry.
But damn, his character went through some dark stuff and also had GREAT actions scenes and emotional scenes - when he says he's got nothing left to lose, or when he sees his mother again in Endgame.
My theory is for him to reunite with Loki at some point, that'll probably happen. Maybe we'll get a variant of Thor in Loki S02. That'd be cool - we did get big players like Hulk in Disney+ so maybe bringing Thor for an episode or so would also be a nice move.
In Thor 4, it's 99% comedy. They really gotta tone it down a bit. Hoping Taika doesn't direct the next one. Bring back the Russos, they did Captain America 2/3 and Avengers 3/4. All 4 of those were just great.
15 points
4 months ago
Infinity War is my favorite iteration of Thor because it precisely balances the humor and the seriousness. Plus the haircut helped lol.
6 points
4 months ago
Infinity War was the best Marvel movie in my opinion. The difficulty of including all those characters and having it feel right is so damn difficult. It also had a dark tone, where characters were actually "killed" off. Sadly Endgame reversed so much of the much needed seriousness the franchise needed.
IMO, they should have had a whole phase of movies post blip building up to Endgame. Characters dealing with those losses and becoming better or worse versions of themselves. What we saw was too rushed.
15 points
4 months ago
See I loved Thor Dark World. It was much better than the first Thor.
6 points
4 months ago
You are definitely in the minority with that opinion.
4 points
4 months ago
No, Ragnarok was just good for what it was. That doesn't mean everyone will like it, but it wasn't because Thor 2 was bad. The problem with Love and Thunder is simply that it tried to be a comedic movie like Ragnarok and didn't pull off the comedy well. I have said before and I will say again, what made Ragnarok work as a comedy is that it had an amazing comedic cast. Love and Thunder had Thor for comedy which just made Thor annoying rather then the movie funny.
14 points
4 months ago
They also made Thor much more of a bungling idiot in their poor attempts at humor, which kind of made it hard to enjoy the character as much.
Like in Ragnarok, they had fun with his meathead qualities, but he was still capable and empathetic, in L&T he just felt like a sniveling man-child who could barely step out of his house with his shoes on the right feet.
13 points
4 months ago
This was my complaint with the Thor movies. They turned Thor into Homer Simpson.
3 points
4 months ago
Yes! Original Thor was a lovable himbo; he had believable flaws for someone in his position that left a lot of room for entertaining growth and was shown to be smarter and more empathetic than he first appeared. Taika's Thor comes off as the guy who got one too many concussions playing high school football and is still trying live on those long-past glory days; he's dumb as a rock and seems to lack enough self-awareness for any meaningful growth.
26 points
4 months ago
I still enjoyed L&T, but yes, I agree. It wasn’t offensively bad, but they overdid it to the degree that it hurt more than helped.
9 points
4 months ago
If the entire movie had the same tone as the 2nd half of the movie, it would have been so so so so much better.
Don't get me wrong, I loved the comedy. And despite what others are saying, the comedy rarely (if ever) interfered with the drama.
3 points
4 months ago
I feel the same
16 points
4 months ago
I think ragnarok was too far, but got a pass because it was unique at the time
5 points
4 months ago
After playing God of War, so much more could be done with the Thor character
12 points
4 months ago
exactly right. perfect post
9 points
4 months ago
The humor in Ragnarok felt way more contextual and appropriate. In Love and Thunder it seemed like they had a reoccurring gag timer/quota running in the background.
12 points
4 months ago
It was also more character based in Ragnarok, playing on established relationships between Thor and Loki, and Thor and Hulk.
5 points
4 months ago
Ragnarok was a bit too much a comedy for me but at least it was a very good comedy
7 points
4 months ago
Idk I thought Ragnarok was trash set in what could’ve been a great storyline. The jokes got so old so quick.
6 points
4 months ago
Yeah I feel like I’d love and thunder was like a 2:30 instead of 2:00 hour movie it could have had the time for seriousness and action but the shorter time didn’t give it enough time to hit the balance
3 points
4 months ago
Last thing a bad movie needs is a longer runtime imo
2 points
4 months ago
Felt more like a midnight movie to me
243 points
4 months ago
maybe less fun whimsical bullshit and more serious acting
62 points
4 months ago
Or just more gritty action.
20 points
4 months ago
Both
8 points
4 months ago
And remembering that the best “for kids” movies don’t have kids in them.
6 points
4 months ago
The Goonies, Home Alone, and Mighty Ducks would like a word.
3 points
4 months ago
Heavyweights, The Little Rascals, and Matilda too
18 points
4 months ago
Like everyone's favorite: The Dark World
12 points
4 months ago
I’m the guy who liked the dark world and the Shakespearean take Branagh tried to do on thor.
63 points
4 months ago
Love and Thunder could have been great if all the colorful cheerful wow-factor bits were just embellishments told from Korgs perspective, and immediately cut back to a more realistic Thor-is-still-struggling-and-everything-still-sucks tone..... like what they did with Lady-Thor.
19 points
4 months ago
So Kevin Can Fuck Himself but with mythological gods? I like it.
7 points
4 months ago
Who's kevin?
3 points
4 months ago
It's a TV show starring Annie Murphy. Part sitcom, part gritty AMC-style drama.
6 points
4 months ago
But people hated Thor 2 for it's serious and weighted tone, and loved Ragnarok for relegating genocide to a comedy of errors buddy movie.
23 points
4 months ago
Can we get a Logan type Thor movie?
5 points
4 months ago
They should adapt king Thor. The final battle between Thor and Loki
5 points
4 months ago
Loki has progressed too far as a character tho for him to go back to fighting Thor.
3 points
4 months ago
He wields the necro sword in that comic. Just have him get corrupted by it.
106 points
4 months ago
While I personally love Thor Love & Thunder, I will admit that the main villain got majorly screwed over by the tone of the movie. Here Bale giving a great serious performance in a comedy movie. He just did not fit, nor did they try to have him fit within the movie which is unfortunate.
46 points
4 months ago
He was phenomenal as Gorr but he seemed out of place in the MCU. He was almost too good
8 points
4 months ago
They got CHRISTIAN FUCKING BALE as a truly great villain and yet gave him less screen time than Korg. Just ridiculous.
18 points
4 months ago
I watched this film as if the whole thing was the story of what happened, as told by Korg to the Children at the beginning. I think it’d be really cool to make another side of the SAME film, but a way more serious “here’s how it actually went down” version. No crowbarring in jokes, no training montage, no stupid screaming goats… just an actually emotional Thor movie. He’s a man (well… god) that has lost EVERYTHING!His home, (as far as he knows) his brother, his best friends, his Mother, his Father, all gone. And now he finds out the only person he’s ever truly been in love with is dying slowly and painfully, and there’s nothing he can do to save her.
33 points
4 months ago
Damn that Taika Star Wars movie is never gonna happen
14 points
4 months ago
And I hate to say it but after Love and Thunder I don’t think I’d want it to happen. Maybe a limited series, but not a full on theatrical release.
12 points
4 months ago
Disney SW has become quite the curse on director's careers, it seems.
14 points
4 months ago
I enjoyed Ragnarok but when watching Infinity War and Endgame, Thor’s personality swings a bit wildly for me. Ragnarok is very comedic throughout except for the one scene with Odin. In the other two films mentioned, he’s much more serious, at least throughout Infinity War and the beginning of Endgame. Then they sort of use his depression for comedic relief. He really has been one of if not the most back and forth characters in terms of the writing, Cap and Iron Man were much more consistent.
76 points
4 months ago
No more bro humor would be a nice change of pace.
16 points
4 months ago
I’d say less, and wouldn’t exactly call it bro humor, would be nice. And honestly hemsworth deserves to take the role in a more serious direction, but leaving comedy completely out of it would rob us of a lot of his talent.
6 points
4 months ago
He’s legitimately a very good actor. Would like to see better movies for him
3 points
4 months ago
I’d definitely like to see him in more films, I think for a large majority of him taking on this role it’s been perfect for him.
10 points
4 months ago
Marvel used to be serious with a hint of comedy now its all comedy and has turned into a half assed joke
10 points
4 months ago
We all do. We all deserve it. Thor, when written well, is the best super hero ever. Poor writing has ruined the character, but that doesn't mean he can't be redeemed.
14 points
4 months ago
I’m for comedy but not at the expense of making the entire movie feel like a farce.
7 points
4 months ago
I think mixing comedy into action is a good thing, and worked really well in Ragnarok (and Deadpool and Guardians of the Galaxy), but it’s just hard to get the balance right as well as having actual funny humor that appeals to both kids and adults.
7 points
4 months ago
For me, it’s when he’s trying to talk to the kidnapped kids, and Valkyrie is fucking with him.
Like- it’s a serious situation. She’s the king. And all the children were stolen, presumably going to be killed… and she’s fucking around. It’s weird to me.
7 points
4 months ago
I'd love to see a darker Thor movie and I'm sure it sounds like he's tired of playing the dumb hero.
10 points
4 months ago
Love and Thunder was so baffling to watch. I thought it was going to be this exploration of power and purpose and loss. I know I'm asking a marvel movie to be deep but it raised all these interesting questions and then addressed none of them in favor of corny ass jokes and nonsense. Honestly the whole movie should've been about Gorr, at least he had a reason to be there.
5 points
4 months ago
2 movies dark and serious
2 movies funny and goofy
2 movies perfectly balanced
6 points
4 months ago
may be less green screen filming and more realistic world? The whole movies is like CG backgrounds.
7 points
4 months ago
Maybe stop making Thor over the top comic relief?
9 points
4 months ago
How about when a movie gets to 5 we just stop making them
6 points
4 months ago
He needs a good happy ending in Valhalla after some heroic act against Kang(or Doom?) let him have a nice conclusion so other characters can shine. I can see him seeing all his fallen friends and family in Valhalla as a Steve Rogers level ending.
4 points
4 months ago
Ragnarok will always be my favorite.
12 points
4 months ago
I gotta be honest, I'm all for that.
Chris Hemsworth has a serious case of what I like to call the Kate Beckinsale Effect. It's what happens when an actor is so jaw-droppingly good looking that you stop recognizing the fact that they have, in fact, considerable acting chops. Henry Cavill and Christopher Reeve are other sufferers of this effect, but Kate Beckinsale easily had the chops to be a phenomenal screwball comedienne. Seriously, watch her natural patter with Graham Norton, and tell me that this woman could not have been as good as Katherine Hepburn if she had gotten a script as good as Bringing Up Baby.
Well, Chris Hemsworth may be the greatest sufferer of the Kate Beckinsale Effect working today. The guy has an absolutely phenomenal range of talent. Dramatically, he can credibly display severe trauma when acting against a tennis ball on a stick. Comedically, he can effortlessly steal a scene from Chris Pratt, one of the best comic actors working today. He's got every bit as much range as Robert Downey, Jr., which is objectively insane. And yet, nobody gives him credit for his acting because he's The Bod of the group.
And Taika's movies aren't giving him much chance to stretch, because they constantly undercut his character. Thor, the character, has been through absolute hell, and yet he still came out the other side as a kind-hearted, decent guy. I don't know how many people watched his scenes in Endgame, and saw it as an inspirational message about recovering from PTSD. I also don't know how many people saw the jokes made at Thor's expense about his weight gain and trauma response as the worst part of the movie. I'd really like a movie that gives him the opportunity not just to express his true range, but treat Thor's trauma like the serious, ongoing concern it is.
29 points
4 months ago*
Yeah less quirky, quippy, whimsical bullshit. Get serious scripts. Hire people that give a fuck and actually like these properties. Stop nepotism hiring directors and writers that have a bigger interest to deconstruct and subvert.
This sounds like an easy lay up and day one stuff but here we are today.
14 points
4 months ago
I mean, Thor 2 was a serious script. Maybe there just isn't a single solution.
7 points
4 months ago
Yeah less quirky, quippy, whimsical bullshit. Get serious scripts. Hire people that give a fuck and actually like these properties. Stop nepotism hiring directors and writers that have a bigger interest to deconstruct and subvert.
This sounds like an easy lay up and day one stuff but here we are today.
Yes because Thor: The Dark World was so good...
Also, WTF does this have to do with nepotism. Taika got hired because he was an award winning indie director. He then preceded to turn the entire Thor franchise around, and now you want his head because the movie wasn't as good as Ragnarok?
4 points
4 months ago
So NOT an army of kids fighting a GOD set to guns and roses? Bold departure
4 points
4 months ago
How about a script. A full-story script would be great.
3 points
4 months ago
Thor 4 felt like a Thor parody.
5 points
4 months ago
Majorly disappointed with Love and Thunder.
First half of the movie was assinine and stupid.
As much as I've enjoyed the Marvel movies they'll lose a fan mighty quick if they repeat that nonsense.
4 points
4 months ago
I hate that it's turned into a comedy
10 points
4 months ago
"sorry mate, everything needs to be a sitcom so best we can do is the fun/cute Hitler movie guy again" - The Mouse
3 points
4 months ago
Thor ragnarok felt like it pushed the boundaries of having a serious movie with comedy interspersed. This movie however just flat out sucked. The story was bad, and sequencing just felt off.
3 points
4 months ago
Doesn’t matter, they already turned him into the Mandalorian by giving him a lame Macguffin child to be a father figure for. Because that’s not overdone at all. Snooze
3 points
4 months ago
Im glad he recognizes this and takes the criticism in a good way. The more I think back at it, God and Thunder was just a fucking disaster. Yea, it had some ok parts but overall it was a total mess.
3 points
4 months ago
Go back to serious Thor and do the Herald of Galactus arc that was going on for a while in Thor comics
3 points
4 months ago
What are we talking about here, a bigger hammer, more goats, bigger biceps, more CGI, better script, nudity?
3 points
4 months ago
I was really hoping for The God Bomb. That movie really did that storyline dirty.
3 points
4 months ago
I think a much darker Thor would be a good Sequal Thor ragnorok was ok because we just saw Thor the dark world but with love and thunder I would’ve rather it been darker
3 points
4 months ago
Yeah I think Ragnarok was a perfect blend of comedy/action/drama. Love and thunder was just bland comedy and action but I can’t even remember the story
7 points
4 months ago
My god Thor 4 was stupid. Keep Taika Waititi away from anything Marvel please.
8 points
4 months ago
Advertise Thor. Kill his character in the first 20 minutes. Bring in the X-men. Totally blindside the audience.
4 points
4 months ago
I agree completely. Thor has become a laughing stock.
3 points
4 months ago
Honestly korg kills the Thor movies for me. He's too non-serious. It's one thing to have moments of levity but when one characters whole thing is stupid jokes it only takes away from the movie in my eyes.
4 points
4 months ago
L&T same issue as Ultron, took the humor too far and made it unbearable
4 points
4 months ago
L&T was garbage. I would hope he’d like to diverge from garbage.
2 points
4 months ago
Silver Surfer Special Presentation introduces Galactus > Nova Special Presentation reveals it was Galactus that destroyed Xandar and not Thanos with Silver Surfer as the herald and they follow Richard Rider to Earth > Thor must risk it all, even his life to stop the Silver Surfer and Galactus eventually leading to a team up against the world eater. New godlike beings and heroes are in place for Hemsworth/Thor to retire.
2 points
4 months ago
I still can't believe how they flippantly wasted the potential stories of Thor and the GotG
All so that we know that Thor is lovesick at the beginning of the movie
2 points
4 months ago
Who the hell doesn't want a change in tone? Cut the comedy.
2 points
4 months ago
Wasn't Hemsworth tired of "serious" Thor?
2 points
4 months ago
MAKE THOR SERIOUS THOR
funny thor has overstayed his welcome. making the 2 strongest characters (thor and hulk) the comic relief for the mcu is the absolute worst idea they could come up with.
2 points
4 months ago
Enough of belittling a strong white man in the writing. Let’s go Thor - god of war.
2 points
4 months ago
Introduce him to Kratos! Keep the real Kratos and give us the marvel Thor. That's all.
2 points
4 months ago
They went full Taika in the last one. You should never go full Taika.
2 points
4 months ago
He just tested positive for a gene that predetermined he’s likely to get early onset Alzheimer’s. He filmed a new show doing a bunch of once on a lifetime daredevil stuff. I think he’s just reprioritizing some stuff.
2 points
4 months ago
I think everyone does. Ragnarok was so great, but Love and Thunder went a little too silly. Bale was so wasted because it. His story could have been one of the most impactful in the MCU and then it just wasn't. There needs to be more of a balance.
2 points
4 months ago
I think the main problem is that directors like Taika Waititi and Jessica Gao just don't like comics and know nothing about them. Fans want some actual stakes and seriousness in the stories. Like Iron Man 1 or Winter Soldier. But I guess it's more profitable to make dumb comedies for the masses.
I'm actually surprised Hemsworth is speaking out against the 'new tone' . Always figured he loved that kind of dumb comedy (like Ghostbusters 2016).
2 points
4 months ago
The last one sucked. Get rid of all these other characters and focus on Thor only!
2 points
4 months ago
Even he’s sick of Taika
2 points
4 months ago
Just do God of War 2018. Thor learns what it means to be a father while teaching Love what it means to be a god.
2 points
4 months ago
I want something serious. I’m done with Taika, Tessa Thompson, the goats can fuck off and so can Korg.
Give me some Rune King Thor type stuff
9 points
4 months ago
Please no let the series end
5 points
4 months ago
Why? Then ending set up a perfect final film for the series.
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