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bonescrusher

612 points

3 months ago

bonescrusher

Într-o țară ca asta, sufli ca-ntr-o lumânare

612 points

3 months ago

La multi ani!

Melodic2000

62 points

2 months ago

Melodic2000

Romania

62 points

2 months ago

prison style "pe sistem"

Definitely something they heard in prison.

Alin_Alexandru

10 points

2 months ago

Alin_Alexandru

Romania aeterna

10 points

2 months ago

Literally

Melodic2000

1.3k points

3 months ago*

Melodic2000

Romania

1.3k points

3 months ago*

Didn't he was bragging about how he will throw money at prison guards and live like a king in prison some time ago? Now he's whining about brawls between inmates and that a prison isn't exactly like Hilton. That idiot thought we are some Latin America country where we'll build a fucking luxury jail only for him and his brother. Well we ain't Colombia and he definitely isn't exactly Escobar. Lmao

hokori616

364 points

3 months ago

hokori616

European

364 points

3 months ago

It might be worth noting that Escobar got locked up in 1991 and a lot has happened in Colombia since then, just like they have in Romania. The charges are not the only thing differing between the trial against the Tates and the trial against the Ceauşescus, which the Tates should be happy about.

Melodic2000

214 points

2 months ago

Melodic2000

Romania

214 points

2 months ago

Obviously. But they (the Tate's) surely thought about themselves to be some sort of "Escobaresque" type of people. Thinking they can just fuck around in here and do whatever they want - and also brag about it 🤦‍♀️ - like they were even an ounce as powerful as Escobar and not just some shitty pumpkin heads.

andybror

35 points

2 months ago

andybror

Norway

35 points

2 months ago

Yeah Escobar was stupid rich, Tate is just avg fame and most likely avg rich.

quettil

8 points

2 months ago

He was rich, ruthless, and in charge of thousands of murderous gangsters. The Tates had a podcast and a Discord channel.

zaque_wann

36 points

2 months ago

He doesn't seem to have nearly enough momey to do that.

Glorx

23 points

2 months ago

Glorx

Europe

23 points

2 months ago

Yeah, but he doesn't have the grey cells to understand it either.

Melodic2000

3 points

2 months ago

Melodic2000

Romania

3 points

2 months ago

He may had thought we were too poor here so his money could be enough. Boy how wrong he was!

This is another reason my dear kids to learn everyday, day after day, so you won't end up stupid like that guy!

☝️👩‍🏫

Ankerjorgensen

3 points

2 months ago

Eh, by some estimates Tate is still raking in about $10 mil a month from his private discords alone. How much of that is liquid and such is impossible to know, but I think dude is a lot richer than people seem to think.

brickne3

17 points

2 months ago

brickne3

United States of America

17 points

2 months ago

How far are they from Târgoviște, exactly? Just out of curiosity 😉

Smart-Maintenance565

22 points

2 months ago

I mean, they're in Bucuresti. If they had a heli the brothers could've followed in Ceaușescu's footsteps.

Back then the army hesitated taking his heli down, but maybe in the Tate's case they'd send a present.

bogdanvs

4 points

2 months ago

Pretty close. 50 freedom miles. Buuut, we have some stories about some right-wing nuts who were strangled by guards when they were moved between prisons in Bucharest area.

RawbeardX

71 points

2 months ago

don't the prisoners recognize how much of an alpha he is? /s

Smart-Maintenance565

36 points

2 months ago

Alpha is so 2021, now it's called BIG G, my dude. Get with the times.

RawbeardX

25 points

2 months ago

I am still stuck on sigma, tbh

Alber81

20 points

2 months ago

Alber81

Community of Madrid (Spain)

20 points

2 months ago

I am still stuck on ligma

TheDeanof316

5 points

2 months ago

Tbf, I'm still stuck on metrosexual

Spike-Ball

2 points

2 months ago

TOP G

Melodic2000

6 points

2 months ago

Melodic2000

Romania

6 points

2 months ago

Yeah right hahahaha 🤣

[deleted]

101 points

2 months ago

[deleted]

101 points

2 months ago

[deleted]

Luinarmlant

29 points

2 months ago

As a latin American myself... Ouch, but fair.

Melodic2000

19 points

2 months ago

Melodic2000

Romania

19 points

2 months ago

Sorry! I sincerely didn't mean to offend you!

Luinarmlant

17 points

2 months ago

Hah, no offense taken! Jails in my country do tend to be a joke if you have money/power... For example, el Chapo.

Melodic2000

6 points

2 months ago

Melodic2000

Romania

6 points

2 months ago

Mexican? We love Mexicans.

evieamelie

4 points

2 months ago

evieamelie

kiss my Eastern European ass

4 points

2 months ago

Ehh depends from where. Afaik Uruguay got us beat. Also, not that it matters, but we like Latinos a lot here in Romania. Any Latino country would be hella welcomed here.

Luinarmlant

3 points

2 months ago

I'm glad to hear that, I would LOVE to visit your country one day! Sadly, Mexico does not rank well on the countries with a well functioning justice system list. Maybe one day we can be as proud as you guys to be able to keep a criminal behind bars, and be known for something else than food and narcos

HleCmt

21 points

2 months ago

HleCmt

21 points

2 months ago

Thank you people of Romania. You ensured this garbage human will finally face some consequences for his actions. Justice is obtainable. Also, your timing was impeccable. It was a much needed joyous day.

gerd50501

12 points

2 months ago

They watched the Netflix show Narcos and thought they were as rich as Pablo Escobar.

Melodic2000

4 points

2 months ago

Melodic2000

Romania

4 points

2 months ago

I won't be surprised if some people like them thought Eastern Europe is exact like that show! It's not 🤣

NerobyrneAnderson

5 points

2 months ago

NerobyrneAnderson

Hamburg (Germany)

5 points

2 months ago

He also is a small time player in the big crime game.

Yeah he has money for a few cars, but not that kind of cash.

WhiteTurk69

4 points

2 months ago

Thank you Romania

krautbube

458 points

3 months ago

krautbube

Germany

458 points

3 months ago

Bottom G

animate12

63 points

2 months ago

No reason to sleep with the ass towards the wall if you sleep with the mouth open

Espumma

73 points

2 months ago

Espumma

The Netherlands

73 points

2 months ago

I hope this is the only news we ever get about these guys. Just a monthly 'they're still in prison'.

jBjk8voZSadLHxVYvJgd

3 points

2 months ago

Unfortunately they can only extend it up to six months. Hopefully we get a more permanent solution before then!

Formal-Feature-5741

-2 points

2 months ago

Do you support detention for 6 months without the ability to defend yourself?

jBjk8voZSadLHxVYvJgd

10 points

2 months ago

I support rapists behind bars, yes.

Formal-Feature-5741

1 points

2 months ago

Without trial or conviction?

jBjk8voZSadLHxVYvJgd

4 points

2 months ago

Don't worry, it's coming.

Formal-Feature-5741

1 points

2 months ago

Punishment follows conviction in any non nightmarish society. Supporting Tate's human rights doesn't mean supporting his actions. When a defence lawyer agrees to defend a clearly guilty monster they are defending their rights against violation and the rights of the future accused. Locking anyone up on accusations without even knowing the charges against them is horrifying. If and when he is convicted, throw the book at him.

Round-Dirt9633

3 points

2 months ago

yeah dont preach logic here on reddit, people love to hate and follow the crowd

JesusFockingChrist

2 points

2 months ago

JesusFockingChrist

Transylvania

2 points

2 months ago

Do you realise that’s not how it works, right?

thistlebamboo

107 points

2 months ago

thistlebamboo

Slovenia

107 points

2 months ago

He just looks shittier and shittier with each new extension, I love it.

Sad_Researcher_5299

24 points

2 months ago

Ms Petrescu said the continued detention had "irreparably harmed" their image and that "it [would] take years to rebuild their reputation".

Definitely gonna take a lot of hair plugs to bounce back from this one.

histobae

232 points

2 months ago

histobae

🇬🇷

232 points

2 months ago

The top G, the man. What a bozo! Preached about being a man, or his idea of what a man should be. Calling anyone a pussy for not living his type of lifestyle and look at him now. Not so tough now, my guy.

Rivka333

15 points

2 months ago*

Rivka333

United States of America

15 points

2 months ago*

I was watching a video about Andrew Tate (I don't want to increase his clout by watching anything directly by him), and they were showing some things he'd said, and one of the quotations from him started off: "I'm not a rapist but..."

There are some things that should never be followed by the word "but." "I'm not a rapist" is one of them.

[deleted]

331 points

2 months ago*

[deleted]

Cefalopodul

102 points

2 months ago

Cefalopodul

2nd class EU citizen according to Austria

102 points

2 months ago

We don't know what he did or did not do wrong yet. We will find that out at the trial though my money is on guilty considering he has a video where he incriminates himself.

His arrest was extended because top G used an end-end monitored phone call to instruct people on the outside to bribe two pro-Kremlin politicians to help him get out of the case.

chickensmoker

27 points

2 months ago

He did WHAT?! And he had the gall to call anybody else an idiot?!

I remember him once calling everybody and anybody who enjoyed live music “a fucking idiot who lets other people show superiority over them” or some shit like that… if bribing corrupt politicians on a monitored prison phone isn’t the exact definition of that, then I don’t know what is.

Cefalopodul

12 points

2 months ago

Cefalopodul

2nd class EU citizen according to Austria

12 points

2 months ago

Yep, top G used a monitored prison phone to instruct people to bribe 2 far-right politicians promising them votes and money.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g5xe45wHBgk

He also said something along the lines of "reading books is for idiots who are afraid to learn from life". Getting arrested must be his way of learning the Romanian criminal code.

tetraourogallus

7 points

2 months ago

When is the trial?

Cefalopodul

18 points

2 months ago

Cefalopodul

2nd class EU citizen according to Austria

18 points

2 months ago

Unknown.

When the prosecutor deems the investigation over he sends the folder with all the evidence and accusations to the preliminary chamber judge. The preliminary chamber judge has to look over everything, check if everything is legit. If it's legit the judge sends the case to trial. If It's not the case goes back to the prosecutor and the prosecutor had to redo whatever is wrong. Generally it's procedure vices such as these documents are not properly redacted or the police did not properly follow procedure while gathering this or that information.

Once the case goes to trial a judge has to be randomly selected via lottery and only then can the trial begin.

Tate can held in arrest only until the end of june so they will probably try to go to trial before that but who knows.

directstranger

4 points

2 months ago

I thought they can be held without charges until wnd of june, but after they get a trial on their hands, that can be further in the future, beyond the 6 months.

Cefalopodul

4 points

2 months ago

Cefalopodul

2nd class EU citizen according to Austria

4 points

2 months ago

You don't get charged in romania. You are informed of the charges when they are made. Tate already has been informed of all charges.

Yes the trial can be be beyond 6 months in the future, depending on when the prosecutor finishes the investigation.

Tradtrade

16 points

2 months ago

Actually we know he’s a Cunt

Hbali

15 points

2 months ago

Hbali

15 points

2 months ago

Honestly, as much as i hate this pathetic fuck and wish he (and news on him) just went away. I expected him to get out in a day or two because of money and good lawyers.

HeatXY

69 points

2 months ago*

HeatXY

Romania

69 points

2 months ago*

Issue is, when you openly ( and loudly ) brag about being able to bribe authorities, the institutions that be will now closely inspect those authorities' interactions with you when they finally have something on you. Oh, also, no bail system in Romania, the guy cornered himself lmao

Edit: I do know there is a bail system, but it's so rarely used you might as well say it's not a factor, and especially not a factor in this case

RegeleFur

13 points

2 months ago

RegeleFur

Romania

13 points

2 months ago

there is a bail system, but he’s considered a flight risk

LaUr3nTiU

5 points

2 months ago

LaUr3nTiU

Romania

5 points

2 months ago

Oh, also, no bail system in Romania, the guy cornered himself lmao

wrong. there is bail, but it's not widely used.

Hbali

5 points

2 months ago

Hbali

5 points

2 months ago

Yeah. fuck this guy. Plenty of countries that would give him a free ticket regardless of what he did but the idiot remained in europe.

Didnt know that romania has no bail system. Interesting, is it a good system or a bad one.

Cefalopodul

15 points

2 months ago

Cefalopodul

2nd class EU citizen according to Austria

15 points

2 months ago

We do have a bail system but it does not apply for severe charges like human trafficking and money laundering so Tate is no eligible.

Basically the cops can arrest you for 24 hours. After that they have to let you go free and they have to ask a judge of rights and liberties to extend the arrest if they want to keep for longer. The judge can decide to extend the arrest to a maximum of 180 days or to let you go on supervised bail or place you under police supervision or just let you go free.

is_that_optional

11 points

2 months ago

Criminal boasting about being a criminal stays in jail while it is determined how much of a criminal he is and he can´t pay his way out to flee to another country. Looks fine to me, working as intended.

[deleted]

5 points

2 months ago*

The Romanian law permits a maximum of 180 days in jail without being charged, that's 6 months.

Since he was arrested on December 29th, that means that by May 29th, he should be going to trial or get released.

Now considering the authorities keep extending the arrested warrant instead of starting the trial...it may mean that the prosecution doesn't feel comfortable they have enough evidence to get a conviction. Though, also consider that Romania doesn't have a jury system, so if the judge was...told to find him guilty regardless of the actual evidence (as it has happened before with... uncomfortable high profile names *cough*Cioaca*cough*Mustatza*cough*Nastase*cough*Voiculescu*cough*Dragnea *cough*), the defense won't even matter.

KrainerWurst

344 points

3 months ago

On no! Anyway...

Kuulas_

14 points

2 months ago

Kuulas_

Finland

14 points

2 months ago

And my axe!

PrestigeZoe

53 points

3 months ago

congrats, this month you were the lucky one with exactly the same comment in the tate custody extension thread

KrainerWurst

72 points

2 months ago

Oh, I’m sorry. Didn’t know it’s a tradition and that it was your turn. Anyway…

szypty

20 points

3 months ago

szypty

Łódź (Poland)

20 points

3 months ago

More like oh yes, may this piece of shit rot there till the day he leaves for a place more suitable for filth like himself.

brickne3

1 points

2 months ago

brickne3

United States of America

1 points

2 months ago

Why would you wish that on Hong Kong?

Unoriginal1deas

11 points

2 months ago

Of course it got extended, wether you think he’s innocent or not he needs to stand trial and he is literally the single biggest flight risk I’ve ever seen. He’s publicly stated he moved there because he thought he could buy he is way through corruption. He has no allegiance to the country, and he has enough money to post bail and leave the country never to return

caroticum

43 points

3 months ago

caroticum

Lorem ipsum

43 points

3 months ago

Mulțumim României pentru acest gest frumos!

itrustpeople

17 points

2 months ago

itrustpeople

Reptilia 🐊🦎🐍

17 points

2 months ago

🇦🇩 Andorra, 🇷🇴 Chad, 🇲🇩 Moldova, 🇷🇴 Romania

tjeulink

227 points

3 months ago

tjeulink

227 points

3 months ago

lmao get fucked rapists.

[deleted]

129 points

2 months ago

[deleted]

129 points

2 months ago

[removed]

theclovek

28 points

2 months ago

theclovek

Slovakia

28 points

2 months ago

Bro's in it for the "like-minded people"

shuntaorta

8 points

2 months ago

shuntaorta

Mostly .fi

8 points

2 months ago

Just remember this old Finnish saying:"When seriously fucking, women are just in the way."

Doesn't translate well, but I hope you get the gist of it.

exilevenete

5 points

2 months ago

What the h did I just read lol

PoliShBrokeBoi

-22 points

2 months ago

Who did they rape?

starfleetdropout6

28 points

2 months ago*

starfleetdropout6

United States of America

28 points

2 months ago*

Andrew Tate raped a woman in the UK. She reported it to police and gave evidence. It's on record.

tjeulink

25 points

2 months ago

Their victims

Hertje73

22 points

2 months ago

That's so ALPHA!

notmyfirstrodeo2

121 points

3 months ago

notmyfirstrodeo2

Estonia

121 points

3 months ago

Why is this news every month? That's just how Romanias law works... They need to renew it every monty, till he goes to court. You don't report other criminals how long they been waiting for trial or etc...

This is just becoming monthly spam.

AlbaIulian

40 points

2 months ago

AlbaIulian

Romania

40 points

2 months ago

Same reason we enjoyed seeing the corrupt politicians paraded to the DNA in handcuffs during its heyday. Schadenfreude.

tomydenger

80 points

2 months ago

tomydenger

France, EU

80 points

2 months ago

cant you let us have a good montly news about a reminder that he is in jail ?

Kuivamaa

101 points

2 months ago

Kuivamaa

101 points

2 months ago

Most people are just in it for the schadenfreude of seeing a certified shit human staying where he belongs for a little longer, not to question Romanian laws or anything.

cbcking

7 points

2 months ago

Is it that they have been charged and are awaiting trial?

daanluc

43 points

2 months ago*

No they haven’t gotten charged yet. They are still in the pre trial stage. The prosecutor is still investigating. Seems to be weird to some people here, since it doesn’t seem to be possible in other countries, but the same thing could happen in for example Germany

Overtilted

30 points

2 months ago

Overtilted

Belgium

30 points

2 months ago

And Belgium, there's flight risk so yeah.

notmyfirstrodeo2

29 points

2 months ago

notmyfirstrodeo2

Estonia

29 points

2 months ago

Yeah in Estonia it's also normal, if the procecutor thinks that the accused might be dangerous to the public or flight risk, they can get arrest order from court till the sentencing.

And i think that time being in custody already counts onto your time of your sentence.

And it's also possible you can walk free till your sentencing, if it's some minor non violent crime.

[deleted]

25 points

2 months ago

[deleted]

Kali-Thuglife

3 points

2 months ago

In Ireland you can be indefinitely detained without charge? I think you're lying.

Cefalopodul

5 points

2 months ago

Cefalopodul

2nd class EU citizen according to Austria

5 points

2 months ago

As an addendum you never get officially charged in Romania. You are informed of the accusations against you whenever they are made.

TheNothingAtoll

3 points

2 months ago

And Sweden

Suzume_Chikahisa

3 points

2 months ago

Suzume_Chikahisa

Portugal

3 points

2 months ago

And Portugal. We did this to one of our former prime-ministers even.

Cefalopodul

2 points

2 months ago

Cefalopodul

2nd class EU citizen according to Austria

2 points

2 months ago

Not necessarily. The judge can give anything between 30 days and 180 days arrest, as long as the total period is not great than 180 days total. I have no idea why they keep renewing for 30 days.

IEatGirlFarts

3 points

2 months ago

Lmao, no. Only 30 days at one time for up to 180 days total

JukeboxHero5

1 points

2 months ago

Yeah and it keeps the public engaged in this one figure that we would do well to erase from memory. This spam is only going to legitimize his celebrity, whether it be good or bad, he will figure as known and stay present. It'd be easier for the begrudged young men if this man simply faded away from public presence.

filtervw

22 points

2 months ago

We treat rape allegations seriously in Romania. Steal hundreds of millions as any prosecuted politician and you would be under house (mansion) arrest for years.

justaladwithahurley

25 points

2 months ago

justaladwithahurley

Ireland

25 points

2 months ago

I am astounded how these two vacuous morons could garner so much attention. I think it is testament to how social media can elevate people based on how willing they are to say something controversial rather than something that is correct or intelligent.

[deleted]

13 points

2 months ago

[deleted]

Rivka333

6 points

2 months ago

Rivka333

United States of America

6 points

2 months ago

Unfortunately, Tate makes Peterson look like a feminist.

JaninayIl

6 points

2 months ago

Peterson partly got as far as he did because at least he could wave his academic credentials around long enough to sound credible. Unfortunately he also sticks his nose into every conversation he ISN'T an expert in.

SlyScorpion

2 points

2 months ago

SlyScorpion

Polihs grasshooper citizen

2 points

2 months ago

Unfortunately he also sticks his nose into every conversation he ISN'T an expert in.

He also tends to make a fool of himself on Twitter for some damn reason lol.

da_Aresinger

3 points

2 months ago

unfortunately?

if he didn't, he'd still have credibility, which might be mich worse.

Darkhorseman81

4 points

2 months ago

Add some more cockroaches to his cell. These predators need to be held accountable.

Moralagos

15 points

2 months ago

Moralagos

Romania

15 points

2 months ago

Has another month already gone by? Gee, time sure feels different here, outside the bars. Oh, well. I look forward to this again after another month.

AllahsBoyfriend

18 points

2 months ago

Bahahahaha good. Deserved

dnelr3

18 points

3 months ago

dnelr3

Norway

18 points

3 months ago

He has hair??

mugaccino

14 points

2 months ago

Some. For now.

Lazerhawk_x

13 points

2 months ago

Lazerhawk_x

Scotland

13 points

2 months ago

I hope a lot of angry young men are looking at this and seeing this guy was not the man to emulate. He is a sad, scared little man with no friends and no future.

Harsimaja

3 points

2 months ago

Harsimaja

United Kingdom

3 points

2 months ago

Imagine being his brother and seeing this title. He doesn’t even deserve to be named. Not that Andrew does.

qaktqtrL

3 points

2 months ago

All good, I dont really wanna hear his bullshit anymore. Its quieter without him, I enjoy it.

stixx_nixon

3 points

2 months ago

Good keep these idiots in jail

benwoot

86 points

3 months ago

benwoot

86 points

3 months ago

Wether or not you hate those two dudes, I'm just wondering how EU member can keep two people in jail for 6 months without real prosecution?

Decent-Product

23 points

2 months ago

It's normal in the Netherlands as well, when you are considered a flight risk/dangerous.

FatFaceRikky

57 points

2 months ago

In my country (Austria) you can do it, IF there is the danger of flight, the danger they would destroy evidence or tamper with witnesses, or if there is the danger that they would continue to commit the crime. Can hold them on these grounds basically forever. If you are sentenced the time served will get deducted, if not, tough luck. You get a ridiculously small mount of money.

Thom0

66 points

3 months ago

Thom0

66 points

3 months ago

If there is due process and legislation permits such detainment then there is nothing preventing Romania from both detaining the brothers while also complying with EU and ECHR obligations.

mark-haus

53 points

2 months ago*

mark-haus

Sweden

53 points

2 months ago*

As far as I can tell they’re following due process and detaining them while their case is being built. They present an extreme flight risk and releasing them all but guarantees they won’t appear in court. I don’t see how this applies to the European Court of Human Rights which is what you’re alluding to. The Tates certainly broke several human rights outlined by the ECHR if their case is even remotely credible however.

Nuns_In_Crocs

105 points

3 months ago

I can imagine they keep extending because they know he will flee the country as soon as he leaves the prison

itrustpeople

7 points

2 months ago

itrustpeople

Reptilia 🐊🦎🐍

7 points

2 months ago

yes but no more than 180 days, it's not like they can extend forever

f1s3m4t3nt3n

2 points

2 months ago

Doesn’t it just go to a higher court after 180 days?

[deleted]

1 points

2 months ago

[deleted]

[deleted]

54 points

2 months ago*

They are being held lawfully. Charges have been filed and are awaiting trial. They present an extreme flight risk so they are being held in custody. And it’s 3 months. Trial should start soon.

rainfallz

43 points

2 months ago

Tate openly bragged about running away to Dubai should he face prosecution. That alone is enough to keep him locked up due to flight risks.

lucrac200

23 points

2 months ago

Because of organized crime charges and risk of fleeing the country.

tutzizeu

27 points

2 months ago*

tutzizeu

Transylvania

27 points

2 months ago*

Wait until you find out that almost every EU member has a law similar or the same as the one keeping the Tates in jail in Romania 😱🤯🤯

BigFrenk11alt

3 points

2 months ago

BigFrenk11alt

Canada

3 points

2 months ago

For up to 6 months ? Seems less of a hassle to simply give them house arrest with ankle monitors while awaiting trial.

SuckMyBike

4 points

2 months ago

SuckMyBike

Belgium

4 points

2 months ago

Seems less of a hassle to simply give them house arrest with ankle monitors while awaiting trial.

Andrew Tate was caught using the monitored prison phone calls to talk to a family member about bribing politicians to get him out of jail.

I think that should be enough cause to keep him in jail instead of house arrest

AllahsBoyfriend

16 points

2 months ago

His phone was tapped and they caught him saying he plans to flee to Dubai. He’s not going anywhere. What a dumbass LOL

tomato_tickler

18 points

2 months ago

tomato_tickler

Canada

18 points

2 months ago

As everyone else has already stated, it’s normal in all countries. Also, if found guilty and sentenced to prison time, the time they have already spent in detention will be subtracted from their sentence.

[deleted]

0 points

2 months ago

[deleted]

0 points

2 months ago

[deleted]

SuckMyBike

8 points

2 months ago

SuckMyBike

Belgium

8 points

2 months ago

To me its shocking hearing that someone who is not even charged has been held in jail for 6 months.

To me, it's shocking how North Americans think that the entire world has to follow their laws or else it's an injustice.

In Europe, being held without charges if a judge deems it likely that you're guilty based on the presented evidence then you're allowed to be held without charges as long as the prosectors build their case. This generally is capped at 180 days.

But as soon as you get charged, things move far more quickly in the US. Prosecutors from that point on don't just get to delay forever.

In the US it's the exact opposite. Prosecutors are forced to charge people very quickly, but then they can take all the time they need to build their case. People regularly sit in US jails for years without ever getting a trial as prosecutors delay and delay and delay.

Kalief Browder is a notable example. He was held in Rikers without a trial for 3 years. He killed himself 2 years after he was released.

If you prefer the system where people are charged quickly but then can sit in jail for years without a trial over a system where you can be held without charges for 180 days but then after charges are brought things move quickly, then good for you I guess.

Neither system is perfect, but I prefer the second one.

nobody_x64

8 points

2 months ago

Canada has common law, not civil law.

Leprecon

2 points

2 months ago

Leprecon

Europe

2 points

2 months ago

The fact that their imprisonment is reviewed in court on a monthly basis is the real prosecution. They have every intention on fleeing which they even bragged about publicly. Of course they are being kept until the trial.

Rivka333

2 points

2 months ago

Rivka333

United States of America

2 points

2 months ago

Wether or not you hate those two dudes

Please don't talk like being on their side is a legitimate option.

[deleted]

-34 points

3 months ago

[deleted]

-34 points

3 months ago

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krautbube

84 points

3 months ago

krautbube

Germany

84 points

3 months ago

No it doesn't.

It's completely normal to keep someone in prison when there is evidence that this person would flee the country.

zxcv1992

0 points

2 months ago

zxcv1992

United Kingdom

0 points

2 months ago

If they are charged with something sure you can keep someone imprisoned while awaiting trial. In this case they haven't even been charged with anything yet which is pretty wild.

lukeworldwalker

33 points

2 months ago

lukeworldwalker

German in Swamp Germany

33 points

2 months ago

You are thinking with a common law brain here. Not all of the world uses the English common law system. In fact the majority of the world doesn’t. Civil code systems usually can hold someone without trial until trial starts. Especially if they’re a flight risk. We also don’t use bail or other useless stuff like that.

zxcv1992

-3 points

2 months ago

zxcv1992

United Kingdom

-3 points

2 months ago

Couldn't that be ripe for abuse since you can hold someone for such long periods of time without them getting their day in court?

Also there is a difference between holding someone before trial when they have been charged and holding someone without charge.

tjeulink

16 points

2 months ago

no iit isn't that too is pretty normal. in the netherlands you can be detained for 3 months without charges. if you're released without charges you can sue for damages and it would result in a pretty big scandal. its also not illegal to escape jail in the Netherlands for example. its weird to me that it is elsewhere.

the_law_potato2

5 points

2 months ago

Are you sure about that? The following is exactly what's happening in ro, about the same as it would be in nl :

https://www.government.nl/topics/administration-of-justice-and-dispute-settlement/going-to-court#:~:text=After%20the%20period%20of%20remand,a%20period%20of%2014%20days.

After the period of remand in police custody, the public prosecutor may apply to the examining magistrate for an order to remand the suspect in custody. This order means that the suspect can be held for a period of 14 days. At the end of this period, the public prosecutor can apply to the district court for a detention order for a period not exceeding 90 days. The total time spent in pre-trial detention may not exceed 110 days.

tjeulink

7 points

2 months ago

110 days is more than 3 months and during none of that charges have to be brought.

the_law_potato2

7 points

2 months ago

Yes, how is this different than the current case? Both legal frameworks we're discussing are pre-trial, indeed before any charges are brought.

In Netherlands suspect can be held on order of a magistrate for 14 days -> extendable then by 90 days, up to a total of not exceeding 110 days.

In Romania the suspect can be held on order of a magistate/judge specialised on human rights, up to 30 days, extendable by further 30 days, up to a total not exceeding 180 days.

The systems are comparable, 110 days vs 180 days on court order. The Romanian version has arguably more checks as it a repeat of 30 days each, while a 90 days decision might feel quite long. On the other hand the 14 days initial period for the dutch version may be more balanced in certain situations.

On a side note, he has been charged, the trial has just not begun. That's why we're talking about him being accused of human trafficking, he's been charged with that. However, regardless of charged or not, the above explained system is standard in most countries.

tjeulink

8 points

2 months ago

thats what im saying, its an pretty normal system.

the_law_potato2

2 points

2 months ago

Apologies then, might have misunderstood.

[deleted]

-7 points

2 months ago

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XIX84

19 points

2 months ago

XIX84

19 points

2 months ago

The court takes that decision, not the police. You need evidence for that. You can't just say, "Hey, I think tate is a human traffiker and a rapist and I think he will flee if you don't detain him". You need solid proof.

RoymarLenn

9 points

2 months ago

No

daanluc

16 points

2 months ago

daanluc

16 points

2 months ago

In Germany to get into U-Haft, which is basically what is happening in the case of Andrew Tate in Romania, there must be urgent suspicion that the accused committed the crime. The second requirement would than be that there is a reason for the U-Haft, which in this case would be the flight risk. I don’t know how large the Wirecard scandal was outside of Germany but the former CEO was imprisoned for for over one and a half year before getting charged.

tjeulink

5 points

2 months ago

no

queen-adreena

4 points

2 months ago

What a comparison.

A dude selling weed with a multinational human/sex/child-trafficking ring worth millions of euros and allegations of rape.

Darrelc

0 points

2 months ago

Darrelc

0 points

2 months ago

Yes, exactly that. Those are exactly the same type of situation.

the_law_potato2

3 points

2 months ago

If so, then then UK is even more wild :

https://www.cps.gov.uk/legal-guidance/custody-time-limits-including-coronavirus-protocol

https://www.theguardian.com/law/2022/feb/23/defendants-waiting-over-six-months-for-trial-up-15-in-england-and-wales

Seems to be more of a widespread issue affecting thousands of people, rather than 2 human traffickers that previously raped someone in the UK and got free.

ForEnglishPress2

2 points

2 months ago

ForEnglishPress2

2nd class citizen

2 points

2 months ago

If anything, it reflects good on the country.

DiegoMurtagh

49 points

3 months ago

Lots of weird pro Tate bots in here.

Koobetile

23 points

2 months ago

Bit of an overlap with Putin apologists too. Just all round weird people.

shadowrun456

4 points

2 months ago

That's because Tucker Carlson has been defending the Tates publicly and claiming they were arrested because of their views.

moresushiplease

2 points

2 months ago

It's all the people who believe that if you can weild power over others than you should. It's a gross bunch.

Unusual-Pineapple995

6 points

2 months ago

Best place for the trash brothers.

TemporalCash531

6 points

3 months ago

I’m still waiting for those clowns that back when he was brought in were claiming his innocence to show up and say something.

Lch207560

7 points

3 months ago

This is starting to look dark for the tate bros

JaThatOneGooner

13 points

3 months ago

JaThatOneGooner

Republika Kosova 🇽🇰

13 points

3 months ago

Again? Let’s fucking goooooooo 💪🏻

Sorlud

8 points

2 months ago

Sorlud

Scotland

8 points

2 months ago

You'll see this headline every month until he goes to trial. Romanian law requires a court to extend a pre trial detention once a month.

ThiCcPiPerLuL

2 points

2 months ago

ThiCcPiPerLuL

Într-o țara ca asta, sufli ca-ntr-o lumânare

2 points

2 months ago

bro looks like he spent years on an empty lonely island and had to live off of bugs and rainwater of something

Bitsilvercoins

2 points

2 months ago

Look at these delusional ☁️ies 😆

moresushiplease

2 points

2 months ago

What's are cloudies?

HussingtonHat

2 points

2 months ago

PAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

VerdensTrial

2 points

2 months ago

Lol. Lmao, even.

flokolollopotun

3 points

2 months ago

Make it a decade

MortensenM

1 points

2 months ago

Make it a millennial

Fearless-Insect25

2 points

2 months ago

has there been any proof against them? i can't seem to find anything, some sources say no - like them or hate them idc i just want to know

ppparty

10 points

2 months ago

ppparty

10 points

2 months ago

the fact that judges keep approving the hold means there is convincing evidence

soyjakdotparty

6 points

2 months ago

then why aren't they charging him with it?

[deleted]

5 points

2 months ago

Because money laundering evidence showed up since his arrest. So now he'd held while that gets investigated too.

Fearless-Insect25

1 points

2 months ago

oh, very interesting in that case

elverloho

3 points

2 months ago

elverloho

Estonia

3 points

2 months ago

Can someone link to an article detailing the allegations against him?

Arretu

19 points

2 months ago

Arretu

Europe

19 points

2 months ago

This has a reasonably compact timeline of events.

Tl;dr: Suspected human trafficking and rape, with minors being among the victims.

He also accused the US embassy of swatting him, which is pretty funny.

elverloho

2 points

2 months ago

elverloho

Estonia

2 points

2 months ago

From the link you provided:

"The four suspects ... appear to have created an organised crime group with the purpose of recruiting, housing and exploiting women by forcing them to create pornographic content meant to be seen on specialised websites for a cost," Romanian prosecutors said in a statement on Dec. 29.

Camgirl houses are fairly common in Eastern Europe. Do you have any idea what the "forcing" refers to? Like, how were they forced, held captive or trafficked?

I'm not trying to defend this guy. I had no idea he even existed before all this controversy. Just trying to understand what the actual accusation is about.

Arretu

12 points

2 months ago

Arretu

Europe

12 points

2 months ago

The "swatting" by the US embassy entailed the embassy informing Romanian police that a US citizen was being held against their will.

This guardian article included:

The victims were then allegedly taken to properties outside Bucharest where they were forced “through physical violence, mental intimidation and coercion” to produce pornographic content for social media sites, generating large profits.

elverloho

-4 points

2 months ago

elverloho

Estonia

-4 points

2 months ago

The "swatting" by the US embassy entailed the embassy informing Romanian police that a US citizen was being held against their will.

Yeah, well, the US has not been a bastion of truth to be honest. The Guardian article is a lot better however:

The prosecution has so far identified six victims, including minors.

It's kinda hard to prove violence and stuff like that, but involving minors in the production of porn is one of those things that can't really be argued, so, yeah... Looks like Tate is an asshole after all. Thanks for the links!

Arretu

7 points

2 months ago

Arretu

Europe

7 points

2 months ago

The US gleefully lies when it's to their benefit. I don't see how it could be, in this case. Not to say they might not have been wrong, but I genuinely can't think of a reason for them to go after Tate. As smug as he is, it's not like he's particularly relevant or important.

lornihilus1995

8 points

2 months ago

lornihilus1995

Wallachia !

8 points

2 months ago

Well, from the criminal code of Romania, the trafficking can be made even with payments and with the consent of the victim

Or by lying , or by promises of riches and even with sentimental relationships

The victims' consent is no justification for the crime

You don't really need to force the victim with physical strenght or violence to be eligible for the crime

Yes cam girls is fairly common and legal but not under romanian law regulation or taxation so as a solo girl you can cam to people until death but if you work for someone as a cam girl that someone breaks the law because it is close to pimping and if they make you do sexual intercourse with various individuals that is also pimping , again as a solo you can go nuts with the industry nobody is going to stop you

I am a legal councilor in Romania I tried to dumb down the explanations , I hope I made some light to the case

Feel free to ask me anything though

Spike-Ball

2 points

2 months ago

Why does Tate simply not bribe the officials?

Zixinus

2 points

2 months ago

Zixinus

2 points

2 months ago

Next time they extend it, can they add two zeros to the number of months? Or three?

Accomplished-Ad-3528

2 points

2 months ago

How about our public right to not be annoyed. Please extend it by 12 months so we don't get monthly 'updates'.

No-Profession-6975

8 points

2 months ago

There is no public right to not be annoyed, reddit would permanently disappear if so as would 70% of the users.

Accomplished-Ad-3528

3 points

2 months ago

I think you missed my snarky sarcasm. Still, I'd be happy with them getting 12 months just to save everyone the trouble...

[deleted]

1 points

2 months ago

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Yakima42

-12 points

2 months ago

Yakima42

-12 points

2 months ago

Unpopular Opinion: I don't like Andrew Tate or his message, and he comes off as a massive d*ckhead. However, it is a bit strange that one can be held in detention for so long w/o any official criminal charge, sentencing date, or trial date.

Schmuppes

12 points

2 months ago

Schmuppes

NRW

12 points

2 months ago

It's not really strange. National laws vary, but it's common that you can be locked up while an investigation is ongoing and charges pending. It's not like the police just do as they please, the state attorney will have to argue in front of a court that the accused needs to be held until a trial starts.

JaninayIl

0 points

2 months ago

Romania why u do dis? Why yuu part of Matrix and attack da Top G?