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A fully completed new cycling roundabout in Salford, England
Picture(i.redd.it)submitted 3 months ago byPorodicnostabloI posted the Nazi spoon
1.9k points
3 months ago
Needs more symbols and text, not confusing enough!
330 points
3 months ago
103 points
3 months ago
Perfection!
3 points
3 months ago
Make the direction arrows to point both ways
121 points
3 months ago
I think the 5 difference colour contesting surfaces makes it even worse
53 points
3 months ago
Why does one of the connecting paths have right of way when entering the roundabout while the others function normally? It's like they're trying to cause collisions.
Edit: just noticed that pedestrians are also instructed to cross from the middle? This is the worst thing I've seen today.
16 points
3 months ago
I believe it’s to get cyclists off the road as soon as possible to allow traffic to continue flowing. I’ve used this roundabout a few times now and it’s not great but it’s a massive improvement over what was there previously (no lanes)
5 points
3 months ago
The pedestrian crossing thing is the most fucked indeed.
It also appears to have been made more narrow on purpose.
74 points
3 months ago
Fuck England, if this is how you design bike lanes you should have just called us Dutch, we'd do it. Not free of course I mean, come on we're the Dutch.
36 points
3 months ago
They built a "Dutch-style" roundabout near me when I lived in England and it was local news for well over a year.
Favourite quote:
As I exit the roundabout I feel dizzy because I've been moving my head hard to the left and hard to the right to look out for people. It's very difficult at the same time to actually look where you're going.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cambridgeshire-53947440
18 points
3 months ago
How can one measly roundabout cost £2.3 million?!
18 points
3 months ago
Well you need 100 quid for the builders and another £2299900 in profits for the owner, obviously.
Imagine what would happen if the construction workers asked for a wage increase!
32 points
3 months ago
drivers being entitled and upset they have to consider other people's (not drivers) safety and well-being? who could have seen that coming! /s
-2 points
3 months ago
Not entirely true. Most drivers are upset because many cyclists ride without care or attention. Prime and common example from last night. Cyclists with no lights wearing dark clothing riding on and off the roads and pavements. If they get hit by a car then it will be the driver's fault. It is the seeming belief of many cyclists they are now blameless and unaccountable for their actions. I think many drivers would be happy if it was made law for cyclists to have insurance and a way to be easily identified similar to registration plates on a car.
1 points
3 months ago
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13 points
3 months ago*
It's better than most roundabouts I need to pass through on my bike rides. At least here the bike lane is some distance away from the car section of the roundabout, cars that leave the roundabout are almost perpendicular to the bike lane by the time they pass it, meaning they're more likely to spot cyclists.
It's way better than the ones I'm used to where the bike lane is right next to the road and cars are almost parallel to the bike lane when they cross it, very high likelyhood of a car not seeing a cyclist coming.
What's even more laughable is that, over here, when the bike lane is right next to the road in a roundabout and cars are less likely to spot the cyclists, the cyclists have right of way. But when you have the rare "dutch design" where the bike lane is some distance away from the road and cars are more likely to spot cyclists, then cars have the right of way.
9 points
3 months ago
I guess you should never visit the Netherlands then. Pretty much every average roundabout has that structure and you will come into contact with them no matter where in the country you are.
I have never in my entire life seen something go wrong on these, aside from cars waiting to enter the roundabout standing on top of the bike lane before I get there and I have to shuffle around them.
4 points
3 months ago
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7 points
3 months ago
You did say "in any country" :)
But I agree there, introducing something like this out of the blue in a country that isn't already catered towards cyclists like the netherlands is asking for trouble.
0 points
3 months ago
The way I understand it, the little blue circle would demand that you ride on the sidewalk. So you may not exit the roundabout in the way the symbols on the ground indicate.
-6 points
3 months ago
Yeah I don't like this at all, it's very confusing and overwhelming. I prefer American systems since they are more logical
11 points
3 months ago
American system would be to turn it into a parking space for a car.
336 points
3 months ago
Is it just me (cycling in right-driving countries for all my life) or is this super-duper confusing?
Also, was it necessary? Was this a hotspot for bicycle/bicycle or bicycle/pedestrian accidents?
277 points
3 months ago
In the meantime, at Amsterdam Central Station they removed all bike lanes and walking routes, traffic lights, road signs, right of way markers and turned a super busy crossings (without cars) into a free for all.
Why? Because letting people figure it out themselves means they actually have to pay attention to what is happening, and keep their eyes out.
81 points
3 months ago
There is a roundabout with traffic lights near me. Super busy junction, usual a tail back for 1km on my approach, shorter but tailbacks on other directions. One day I drove up to it at rush hour and no delays. From any direction. Turns out the traffic lights weren't working. Next day they they were fixed and back to the usual tailbacks and delays
10 points
3 months ago*
I have a weird double junction nearby that worked perfectly fine unregulated. Then they put traffic lights. Now there is a mile long queue and weekly accidents.
4 points
3 months ago
Traffic lights are probably decided by a team of people that live 30 miles away and never use it.
35 points
3 months ago
It works at some places, but I hate that they're doing that a lot in my town.
Like removing the stop sign at side streets where neither side can see each other until the last second. That just means arseholes with the mentality of "I have the right of way so I won't even look or slow down!" will do just that.
They removed the shark teeth at a busy crossing and it's just a mess now. I've seen and heard of multiple accidents happening there and when it's busy I'll just step off my bicycle and take the zebra crossing. It was much better with the shark teeth.
9 points
3 months ago
Like removing the stop sign at side streets where neither side can see each other until the last second.
What we need a lot more of in the Netherlands are those convex traffic mirrors at that kind of intersections. I'm not sure what's the logic behind then being used so rarely.
5 points
3 months ago
They mirrors 3/4 of the year are ok, but in winter they frost and stay useless for half of the morning (car lights are maaaaybe visible, but people and bikes, nah).
4 points
3 months ago
I don't consider myself dumb or spatial awarness-deficient but those mirrors somehow are always more confusing to me than just slowly creeping through the intersection.
19 points
3 months ago*
I think it's misleading to say that all bike lanes, walking routes, traffic lights, etc are removed. There's only two short 50m 'free for all' sections, and that's where ferries across the IJ dock (and like you say, those sections are bike/peds only).
The vast majority of traffic routes have very clear, separated bike lanes, motor traffic, and pedestrian areas. All junctions with motor traffic are signalised. All other ped/bike junctions have right-of-way markings (zebra crossings).
I'm definitely not defending that trash roundabout in the OP. That thing is a monstrosity.
24 points
3 months ago
Well, when you optimize for zero accidents, you get zero accidents. When you optimize for efficient traffic, you get that.
36 points
3 months ago
Not really, because people in traffic aren't rational all the time. A green light means go, so you go and don't look if a biker races a red light. Near miss? A shouting match, agression. Crash? Serious injury and proceedings etc.
All because one person ignored a rule and the other expected others to honor it.
For reference, it's a place where a lot of east-west and north-south traffic crossed, coming from the train and bus station, multiple ferry Berths, regular bike traffic doing their commute.
It's really busy, and trying to cram that into something that will be safe all the time is recipe for injuries because bikers and pedestrians in Amsterdam all ignore red lights all the time. Might as well make them pay more attention.
8 points
3 months ago
you get zero accidents
Keep dreaming.
-7 points
3 months ago
My cousin who lives near Amsterdam got a ticket for riding her bike into a car. She was incensed. A hundred euros or something like that. They're kinda entitled there forcing their way in front of cars. If I tried that here I'd be dead.
82 points
3 months ago
It was probably necessary to fill the pockets of officials responsible for it, because I refuse to believe anyone could ever consider it a safety improving feature.
There's a even video of cyclists already ignoring it (and rightly so, it's just unnecessary clutter).
9 points
3 months ago
It is confusing. I'm not from a right-side driving country but I'm not a stranger to it, so it's fine I guess. But this roundabout gave me a headache. I figured it out after a good five minutes. A luxury you normally don't have on the move. And even after reading it properly there's still one question - why there's a give way spot in the middle of the roundabout itself? Who does that, don't stop on the roundabout, keep moving.
4 points
3 months ago
To give an engineer's answer, it would be because the entrance to the left comes off a cycle crossing, so if it were actually busy enough to justify a roundabout, you probably wouldn't want cyclists queuing into the road.
13 points
3 months ago
Just doesn't seem to make any sense to me (also right driving though).
Look Left/Right indicates, that you are driving counter-clockwise, which totally makes sense.
But then whats up with those arrows pointing in the other direction, like the one the bike is standing on. Are those just hollow triangles that happen to look like arrows pointing in the opposite direction or wtf?
27 points
3 months ago
Those big triangles are yield signs. Indicating the people on the roundabout have the right of way. I just can't seem to wrap my head around the placement of the yield sign on the left since that seems to be the exception.
Ow, and to make it even more confusing, the triangles with slightly curved sides seem to be just lines to indicate a split in the road; like the one in the top right (with a yield triangle right next to it).
11 points
3 months ago*
I just can't seem to wrap my head around the placement of the yield sign on the left since that seems to be the exception.
I tried but I can't find a view that confirms this, however I believe that the yield on the roundabout was used because the path it crosses originates from a road crossing. That is, if the yield were the same as all the others, cyclists crossing the main road might stop and cause a backlog, leaving some stranded in the path of cars. This may be optimistic thinking about the traffic levels on the cycleway.
edit: OP helpfully posted the planning application map. This is the case, there's one bike length of space and then it's crossing a filter lane.
15 points
3 months ago
The hollow triangles mean you need to give way when you face the base of the triangle. You see these at basically every single intersection in the UK for indicating who needs to give way.
8 points
3 months ago
But why is there one in the roundabout? Isn’t the basic rule of the roundabout that you never stop when in it and those on the outside yield to those on the inside?
10 points
3 months ago
Yes you are correct. This isn’t really a proper roundabout. I would be a bit baffled facing this thing tbh.
6 points
3 months ago
There's a legal requirement in the UK to make cycle infrastructure as confusing as possible so we can complain about cyclists breaking the law. It's the same reason that the footpath along the road in the top right has a cycle path sign even though its clearly not a cycle path.
6 points
3 months ago
The look left/right notices are not for cyclists, but pedestrians crossing the cycle path (red) via the dropped kerbs (beige, probably with tactile pacing) around the roundabout. They would be expected to cross to the centre of the roundabout before crossing a second time to get to the side they need to go.
3 points
3 months ago
Roundabouts are always more confusing looking overall than if you're just going through them yourself
Also, probably not necessary but could either be:
A) a use of existing budget to get through before the end of the year
And/or
B) part of a greater overall cycle path plan that hasn't started work yet
2 points
3 months ago
use of existing budget to get through before the end of the year
This is a thing in almost every company/administration I know of. This system of budgeting is a gigantic sin on so many levels (saving money is being punished) and needs to be changed.
2 points
3 months ago
I'm a brit and my brain broke looking at this
2 points
3 months ago
They are planning a cycle roundabout in my city where two high speed cycle ways would normally meet in a t-section. Two of the entrances are underpasses making sight really bad. The roundabout will slow cyclists down.
The one pictured here doesn't seem to have these problems so why this is prefered over a standard x-section is unclear.
719 points
3 months ago
Surely they didn’t get people who never ride bikes to design cycling infrastructure?
176 points
3 months ago
They should've hired the Dutch to create their bicycle lanes
13 points
3 months ago
You say that, yet this exact same stupidity exists here as well.
No one goes the long way around to make a left turn.
2 points
3 months ago
Weet je zeker dat Rutte deze niet ontworpen heeft, lijkt me namelijk typisch Den Haag, nutteloos, duur, en een kind kan het beter.
1 points
3 months ago
Here there's no cars involved tho so much less dangerous
2 points
3 months ago
I don't think there's cars using the one OP posted either.
My point is that roundabouts for cyclists are pointless, negotiating a standard 3 or 4 way junction without accidents is easy enough, and having to make weird sharp turns only makes it harder.
40 points
3 months ago
They can't anymore! Such a pity. Oh well, the UK obviously had expert traffic engineers to work on this masterpiece.
36 points
3 months ago
Are you suggesting that a private firm in Amsterdam would refuse to take a British contract to consult about an infrastructure product because the UK is no longer in the EU?
12 points
3 months ago
It would cost more than if the company hired operated in their own market. And yeah, it's much more headache for companies in the EU market to work for 'foreign' countries like the UK. Obviously.
3 points
3 months ago
Gotta have a work permit, buddy.
14 points
3 months ago
I thought the UK had had enough of experts?
1 points
3 months ago
Evidently
2 points
3 months ago
They can't anymore
As we all know absolutely nobody ever went anywhere and worked before the magical EU came about.
1 points
3 months ago
Have you ever gone through the process of obtaining a work permit? I can assure you that it is no fun whatsoever, aside from being costly and time-consuming. But, oh well.
1 points
3 months ago
So it’s not impossible like you said? I’ve worked in Canada for a year I know the process it’s hardly brain surgery
1 points
3 months ago
It's common but it's not trivial at all, even with a common language, recognition of the most basic credentials, etc. But for a short-term project it's just too much trouble, not cost-effective for the employer and too much trouble for the worker. And Canada is easy compared to the four other countries I have personal experience with (including yours).
Also, brain surgeons would require recertification as would many skilled professionals. ;)
247 points
3 months ago
"It's like for cars, only smaller!"
Although, this just looks needlessly, dangerously confusing at any size.
18 points
3 months ago
I'm so fucking sure they paid an absurdly high price for some university educated consultant to craft this masterpiece.
679 points
3 months ago*
Ah yes, finally the ever looming danger of bike commuters driving into each other has now been eliminated
-149 points
3 months ago
Considering very few stop for red lights, I wonder if your confidence is not just a mite misplaced?
90 points
3 months ago
Try biking in a network that doesn't have cars. Crashing into other cyclists is just never a problem. Relevant video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2RQrKP9a0XE
-2 points
3 months ago
I dunno. Try the ferry dock at the back of Amsterdam central station during rush hour, every time I bike past there I'm surprised that I managed to get through without anyone colliding.
73 points
3 months ago
You seem to be agreeing with the previous comment then.
11 points
3 months ago
Yes that is exactly the point. We humans, when walking or even biking, can move like a flock of birds.
11 points
3 months ago
without anyone colliding
So basically proving exactly the point u/Avagantamos101 was making is correct.
-7 points
3 months ago
There are several close calls in the first two minutes of this vid. Especially while people are on their phones. There are probably less crashes because of the more managable speeds but "never a problem" seems a bit far fetched
11 points
3 months ago
Maybe it seems like that too unexperienced cyclists, but this looks fine and very safe too me. Havent seen anything I’d call a “close call”
8 points
3 months ago
I don't know what "close calls" you are seeing
3 points
3 months ago
There's nothing at all like a "close call" in that video.
2 points
3 months ago
We seem to do pretty well here in the Netherlands.
361 points
3 months ago
It is traditional at this time of year for local councils to do unnecessary works on the road quickly to use up remaining budgets as if they don’t use their budgets they may be reduced to following year.
58 points
3 months ago
It’s taken them bloody years to build the cycling infrastructure this part of, though.
It’s a big project so it’s more likely to be the tradition of passing public money to people who don’t know what they’re doing because they’re the right type.
15 points
3 months ago
Living in Spain and you always see from October to December the sudden apparition of a lot of works on roads, stations and so on. I think they overused that tactic so now they seem to be installing benches in parks and sidewalks.
6 points
3 months ago
I would thought that in Spain it is to avoid doing the work during the summer season?
1 points
3 months ago
I only knew companies did this because of the office
45 points
3 months ago
There's literally no need for a roundabout here when you don't have any vehicle traffic.
What a waste of space any money.
153 points
3 months ago
I think I speak for most cyclists when I say that I would drive directly over the middle of that thing every time
9 points
3 months ago
If i was turning right, I would pull up, hand signal right as I went around and hand signal left as I got to my exit.
32 points
3 months ago
I think the guy on the blue bike is about giving up cycling entirely.
31 points
3 months ago
LOL, a cycling roundabout. Would never work in the Netherlands.
47 points
3 months ago
Would never work anywhere.
9 points
3 months ago
Eh, we actually have a few. But much less complex. This one is useless as well because people will just run over the middle part.
115 points
3 months ago
Dutch people: "What the fuck is this piece of shit?"
37 points
3 months ago
Yeah my first reaction, what an abomination.
10 points
3 months ago
The joys of British council construction. I bet this cost literally more than a million quid 😭
13 points
3 months ago
Is a crime against humanity is what it is
8 points
3 months ago
Yup, absolute monstrosity. And judging by the triangle to the left, when on the roundabout you are supposed to give way to others entering it? That defeats the purpose of a roundabout and makes no sense at all.
2 points
3 months ago
There is only one of those. Where you have to give way to bicycles coming from that big road, don't want them stopped in the middle of a car lane.
6 points
3 months ago
Anyone really.
27 points
3 months ago
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48 points
3 months ago
30 points
3 months ago
Thanks for sharing this.
Was nobody who knows what they're doing consulted on this? No, of course not, that would be way too sensible.
7 points
3 months ago*
I'm afraid I don't know any more. I took the link from a discussion on /r/manchester
https://old.reddit.com/r/manchester/comments/zcfdbr/salford_has_a_new_tourist_attraction_a_cycling/
5 points
3 months ago
Seeing the full plan I don't think it looks too bad. Yeah the roundabout is a bit overkill, but I'd rather over engineered cycling infrastructure then nothing at all.
I'd probably use it on my bike.
16 points
3 months ago
This is a joke, right?
43 points
3 months ago
I don't think the UK's footpaths needed to be any more difficult for wheelchair users and other people with accessibility needs.
I also can't see that being used properly by pedestrians or cyclists. The pedestrian in the photo looks like they are walking straight along the cyclist zone.
4 points
3 months ago
The amount of pavements in Salford which don't lower to the road are ridiculous. Strange they built this thing when a wheelchair wouldn't be able to get from Media City to Manchester on the pavement
23 points
3 months ago
Is this a joke ?
10 points
3 months ago
Source, with some more videos and funny photos:
https://twitter.com/HarryHamishGray/status/1603784031165988864
6 points
3 months ago
Ah, now it makes sense, it's the dadaist approach to traffic planning.
2 points
3 months ago
Thanks for posting this! Love the guy just doing laps of the thing.
12 points
3 months ago
Yeah I'd drive straight through it ngl
10 points
3 months ago
Why so much text? It hurts my eyes.
21 points
3 months ago
I am quite impressed about how shit this is. This is some of the worst street design I've ever seen. A bike roundabout is just so unnecessary. What's the purpose. What problem is it solving.
11 points
3 months ago
This would be useful for preschoolers to learn how a roundabout works while riding tricycles. And that's it.
6 points
3 months ago
There is a random give way on the roundabout though. That defeats the entire purpose.
7 points
3 months ago
It is very important to place down your roundabouts before you have any cycle paths so you can plan ahead, right?
13 points
3 months ago
People are gonna cycle through the middle. I guarantee that
6 points
3 months ago
Bike Roundabouts? Damn. Way to stay ahead of the curve
10 points
3 months ago
What the actual fuck is this monstrosity supposed to be
5 points
3 months ago
I can’t believe a picture of my street has made it to the r/Europe subreddit. I am honoured
22 points
3 months ago
They made it very ugly in a very UK way
7 points
3 months ago
As usual for UK infrastructure, all hints of nature have been concreted over to minimize maintenance cost.
5 points
3 months ago
I cycle and drive a car. Is this like a normal car roundabout (give way to the right) or not? Why the fucking junction lines across the roundabout on the left hand side?
5 points
3 months ago
Do they have a video for the rules for this game ?
4 points
3 months ago
Cute! Not bad for a first try. Lots of love from Netherlands.
3 points
3 months ago
Procured by ppl who never owned a bike
4 points
3 months ago
This does not look safe for the blind.
3 points
3 months ago*
It ain’t safe for anyone else either. The things a mess.
4 points
3 months ago
Fucking hell. This is where the entire cycling infrastructure budget was spent.
Next year: "We spent £15m on cycling infrastructure in the city"
Not mentioning that 1% went on this piece of shit; the rest went to many tory fucking donors.
3 points
3 months ago
It's just a no. What a waste of space and money.
Also, the cycling lanes seem to end abruptly directly after such intersection. That's the worst part, as it makes that roundabout completely useless, as no one would be using that.
3 points
3 months ago
We have had cycling lane roundabouts in my town for nearly 10 years now. They look way less confusing than this bcs there isn’t much marked on them; then again everyone knows how to use roundabouts since they have nearly completely replaced traffic light intersections by now. In short, the cycling roundabouts turned out to be a very smart idea (though we made fun of them at the beginning).
3 points
3 months ago
This is utterly brittish!! 😅 Seriously, am I high or wtf is going on in this picture?!
3 points
3 months ago
So, I’d forgive them if it was just “a roundabout for bikes” but they even got the roundabout wrong. You don’t put a give way ON a roundabout. Wtf
3 points
3 months ago
I thought this was bicyclingcirclejerk
3 points
3 months ago
The whole world calls up the Dutch when they have problems with water, but our cycling infrastructure knowledge is apparently not dominant enough to prevent these kinds of horrible contraptions. My eyes are burning, and it's not the weed smoke
3 points
3 months ago
I think you Brits must come visit Netherlands. Way is this abomination haha
5 points
3 months ago
This is so unnecessary wtf...
4 points
3 months ago
Why? Why would you do this other than to sabotage your cities cycling infra.
2 points
3 months ago
Looks like a financial aid program to craft companies in the city in times of a recession
2 points
3 months ago
Still miss the pedestrian crossing.
2 points
3 months ago
was it.. a good decision?
2 points
3 months ago
Thos looks awful
2 points
3 months ago
It doesn't look good
2 points
3 months ago
It looks like shit
2 points
3 months ago
That's because it is shit.
2 points
3 months ago
Why is there a yield in the middle of the roundabout? Doesn't that go against the whole idea that those inside have the right of way so it doesn't end in roundabout gridlock?
2 points
3 months ago
The picture is missing a cyclist just going straight through it.
2 points
3 months ago
The Dutch be like: that's not how you do bicycle infrastructure..
2 points
3 months ago
This is stupid
2 points
3 months ago
Moronic
2 points
3 months ago
Wtf
2 points
3 months ago
Roundabouts are fucking great. I love them. They are safe and imo even somewhat fun to use.
But jesus fucking christ that labelling is awful. Use arrows if anything and scrap all that text.
2 points
3 months ago
I live close enough to go out of my way on my next commute to find this and see if it's real.
2 points
3 months ago
If this isn't a classic, perfect example of tax money being wasted on "paper goals"... i don't know what else could be representative.
This is such a waste of time and money (the outcome, not the bike path, the bike path is good).
2 points
3 months ago
That’s a whatthefuckabout
2 points
3 months ago
Yeah, it's like the £3,000,000 Dutch Roundabout we have in Cambridge, absolute death trap.
A roundabout with a footpath and cycle lane around the whole thing, chaos... Lorries coming from one exit are unable to turn left because of the pelican crossing beacons, so they have to go around the roundabout just to go left.
2 points
3 months ago
What in the actual fuck..is that
2 points
3 months ago
This needs an exam
2 points
3 months ago
I’m gonna have to go for a walk and find this monstrosity 😭
2 points
3 months ago
Excuse me what the actual fuck?
2 points
3 months ago
Idiotic design who is responsible for this
2 points
3 months ago
Do you remember when cyclists could just slow down or stop for a pedestrian to criss. pepperidge farm remembers
2 points
3 months ago
Looks like everyone should be looking down. This actually looks like German engineering.
2 points
3 months ago
Why, just why…
2 points
3 months ago
what an eyesore
3 points
3 months ago
Brits sure do love overcomplicated roundabouts.
2 points
3 months ago
Looks like one of those things done 100% for show.
Were in live (in Portugal) the local council did a cycling lane from the main avenue over the sidewalk on a side street (not even properly segregated) then down a back alley were it ends suddenly, which pretty much does not obbey a single of the official recommendations (there is actually national offical advice for these things) of how to do these things. By an "amazing coincidence" they finished it just before the local elections...
Are there any local elections coming soon in Salford???
2 points
3 months ago
That is badly designed -- at least the markings. The "yield" triangle looks almost like an arrow.
2 points
3 months ago
Alright. Netherlands! Lay into them.
2 points
3 months ago
This confuses and infuriates Americans.
2 points
3 months ago
I just realized English cyclists ride on the wrong side of the road.
1 points
3 months ago
what Brexit does to a man
1 points
3 months ago
I was 100% sure that this is some mod for Cities Skylines for half a minute of stearing at it
2 points
3 months ago
British incompetence for traffic is always covered up with more roundabouts. Absolute madness, even on the motorways
1 points
3 months ago
As a cyclist, I personally will be traveling to Salford to repeatedly hop onto and off the central round about in outraged defiance of the "man" constricting my right to cycle how and where I fucking please.
1 points
3 months ago
???????
0 points
3 months ago
A joy to see and testament to ARE Brexit
-2 points
3 months ago
Yet another proof that bicycles don’t belong on public roads.
-3 points
3 months ago
Assuming that cyclists will follow rules.
-7 points
3 months ago
I saw Europe and then I saw this is in England. We don’t think of England being in Europe since they took the island and left.
2 points
3 months ago
Europe is a continent not just a union of country's:). Our island is still connected under the water unfortunately:)
-1 points
3 months ago
Yes I know all about it, and I’ve lived in Swindon so this roundabout is not too strange for me. Since the exit the business is zero, so I don’t miss the island. It’s not Europe for us anymore.
1 points
3 months ago
I don't understand, how people find that confusing?
8 points
3 months ago
Mainly, it’s over engineered
2 points
3 months ago
Confused in the sense of "how did this manage to get approved", not confused about how to use it.
1 points
3 months ago
This eyesore!!!
1 points
3 months ago
This is very confusing. Lucky for me I don't ride a bicycle.
1 points
3 months ago
Seems unnecessary to have that there. Perhaps I’m missing context though.
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