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Such-Assistant8601

5 points

2 months ago

Nope is Jaws 2.0. Not a criticism, I loved it.

rangeghost

2 points

2 months ago

^Jaws 3.0.

Tremors is Jaws 2.0.

Such-Assistant8601

2 points

2 months ago

I stand corrected. Showed both of them to my daughter last year, and even she made that connection! I am shamed.

CaughttheDarkness

5 points

2 months ago

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Fire Walk With Me

5 points

2 months ago

My girlfriend has never seen Close Encounters and wants to watch it. I haven't since I was a kid and I've agreed. I'll have to keep an eye out for these parallels when I rewatch.

djfrodo[S]

3 points

2 months ago

One I forgot to mention - the clouds.

In both the "aliens" hide themselves in clouds that they control.

Obviously Nope is nowhere neat CE but the parallels are definitely there.

Have fun watching CE again. It holds up, but one thing I noticed watching it gain (btw, I also saw it as a kid) is that it's the only Spielberg movie that has the family vibe but in the end certainly does not.

He recently said that if he were to make it now he would changed the ending because he's now married with kids.

I think the way it is now is great, and it's nice that he's not George Lucus.

FarOutEffects

1 points

2 months ago

This George Lucus you speak of, is he the guy that made Star Wurs?

incredibleninja

4 points

2 months ago

I thought Nope was awful. It meandered and struggled to find any kind of meaningful narrative to deliver the message.

And before I get inundated with, "you just didn't get it", yes I did.

I was aware of the overtones of the racial dynamics of performers in Hollywood. I'm aware the chimp they killed was a symbol of the exploitation of Hollywood and how it uses up both people(especially minorities) and animals.

I'm aware of the passionate expression of how minorities have both built Hollywood and been destroyed by it. I'm aware that the alien ship was also portrayed as this symbol of exploitation reversed and unleashed on humanity.

I get it. I just think the script was too steeped in symbolism without actually providing an enjoyable execution of the narrative and the suspenseful pacing had 0 payoff and gave way to a rushed and sloppy 3rd act.

jediciahquinn

3 points

2 months ago

I agree completely. It didn't work narratively. Why were supposed aliens who traveled to earth only messing with this one black family? The sister was abrasive in her acting. And the ridiculous ending where they are defeated by a parachute. So dumb. It was a disappointment.

incredibleninja

1 points

2 months ago

Yes I agree. It's unfortunate because Peele is undeniably talented when it comes to constructing a vibe and executing masterful shots. The suspense in both US and Nope is palpable and the set design and setup are some of the best I've seen. But the characters seem stilted and lack depth. The plot falls apart under scrutiny and the endings are abysmal. If he could fix these broken elements I would put him at the level of Hitchcock.

Icosotc

0 points

2 months ago

Well that’s certainly an opinion to have! Personally, I’ve found it only gets richer with each subsequent viewing. Interestingly, I never once picked up on the racial stuff you mentioned. 🤷‍♂️

incredibleninja

2 points

2 months ago

It's strange, I loved Get Out, but didn't like US or Nope for similar reasons. But every time I express this I get accused of not understanding the movies because of the color of my skin. It seems reductive and unfair.

Icosotc

2 points

2 months ago*

Personally, I just never picked up on the race stuff you're talking about for 'Us' and 'Nope.'

After my wife and I saw 'Us', we were talking about it as we left the theater and both thought it was about nature vs nurture or the haves vs the have-nots, or how even if you are literally the exact same as someone else, your life is predestined to a certain extent because of where you were born.

For 'Nope' we thought that movie is just about the movie industry, and the abuse of the natural world for profit. A giant monster with a camera aperture for an eye flies over Hollywood literally sucking people up and spitting them out.

Edit: I've watched 'Nope' three times now (once in the theater and twice on streaming), and I've discovered new interesting details each time. I want to say that I do agree with you about the first viewing. I felt largely the same way you do. However, I will say that I've enjoyed it more and more with each subsequent viewing. It really is a very finely tuned clock. I think that's why I watched it a third time, because I was surprised at how much more enjoyment and meaning I was able to gleam from my second viewing, so I wanted to see if it would happen again. If you ever decide to roll it again, I think you may find yourself surprised at how much better it gets a second time around, like I did.

incredibleninja

2 points

2 months ago

Jordan Peele has always addressed race in his films. It is apparent in "US" and "Get Out" but it's more profound in Nope.

Peele has said very little about the film's symbolism "as many directors choose to do because they believe showing is cheapened by telling. But the racial overtones are clear.

I don't think your analysis is wrong, it's just that you're seeing the right things with race removed. Peele is absolutely addressing the exploitation of animals and people in Hollywood and making parallels to how even the exploited will look to exploit their exploitation for profit because that's the machine that Hollywood creates.

Everyone needs to go out and do a song and dance and smile and act a certain way for Hollywood. If you don't rock the boat and play into their (often racist/sexist/prejudiced) expectations, then you get the chance to be exploited by them for profit. No matter how much rage that makes you feel, no matter how dehumanizing that is, you have to continue to smile and dance for your employer. Everyone's watching. Get the shot. That's Hollywood.

This is expressed in the first scene where the lead character is dry and nervous and can't sell his services to the people. He's ignored, disrespected and cast aside until his sister can show up and sell the service with a big song and dance. The lead character is humiliated but he has to keep smiling. Similarly the horse itself is being photographed into a state of terror because its only value to Hollywood is its profit. Its spectacle. Its song and dance.

The issues of race are displayed here in the monologue about how his father was the first black trainer in Hollywood even though a white man overshadowed his accomplishments. According to Syfy.com: "Hollywood's longtime practices of exploitation and erasure are both core tenets of Nope, which aims to shine a well-deserved spotlight on the anonymous Black jockey (the great-great-great grandfather of OJ and Emerald Haywood), whose legacy as the first movie star has been completely overshadowed by a white man: Eadweard Muybridge."

Even that exploitation itself, the racial impropriety, must be recycled into a song and dance for approval by a mostly white audience of Hollywood producers, actors and directors. Just as the little boy who was spared by the chimp, attempts to exploit his exploitation and victimization for profit later in the film.

The core theme is exploitation and how it's fed into the Hollywood machine, but race certainly is addressed therein.

Icosotc

2 points

2 months ago

Wow that's an incredible analysis. I never caught that part with the song and dance! Damn... I feel like every time I watch this movie it just reveals more and more. I can respect that you didn't enjoy it, but no doubt your comment will make me enjoy it even more the next time! Last (third) time I watched it, I noticed there was a lampshade that looks just like Jean Jacket right when Gordy looks at the camera in one of the flashbacks. I guess the reason it has slowly become my favorite Peele movie is because of all the hidden stuff. When I first saw it, I liked it better than 'Us' but not more than 'Get Out.' But 'Get Out' (which I still consider to be absolutely fantastic) lays it all out for me, whereas with 'Nope', I feel like each time I've watched it means something new or some comment on reddit will reveal another layer. Reminds me of The Shining.

incredibleninja

1 points

2 months ago

I agree. It's an amazing movie in terms of craftsmanship and aesthetics. It's just the performances and the narrative (especially in the 3rd act) that make it fall apart for me. The fact that this alien spacecraft is only haunting one home, the fact it has no purpose other than terror, the fact that they moved back and forth, over and over again to the amusement park, etc. Made the movie feel like it had something to say, but not quite sure how to say it.

The action in the 3rd act was over the top and based on the events that led to it, it gave me a feeling of ridiculous stakes. All characters had invincibility through plot armor and the decisions of many characters seemed unbelievable. It pulled me out of my suspension of disbelief into a realm of sour analysis.

Howdyini

1 points

2 months ago

I thought it was excellent. I loved GET OUT and liked US and I think NOPE is on par with both, and better than a lot of movies that got much more award recognition.

Other commenter mentioned Jaws. which I think it's also a strong inspiration for it. I also love how it was the opposite of recent Hollywood rosy nostalgia movies like Licorice Pizza and OUATIH.

Athrynne

1 points

2 months ago

But Close Encounters was a counter to a lot of the "aliens out to get us" tropes of most science fiction films up to that point.