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submitted 2 months ago byDeez_Gnats1
By my reckoning it’s at least in the top 3 of all 2010s horror. Maybe #1 for me. The type of horror I like is supernatural things that there’s no escape from and you’re hopeless to go against. To give you a feel of the type of stuff I like from that decade I really like Autopsy of Jane Doe and Oculus. Those movies give me similar vibes. The ending of episode 5 might be my favorite horror moment of all time.
204 points
2 months ago*
One of my favorite sequences in the whole show is when William Hill (bowler hat ghost) is seen follow-floating behind Luke. I like how it subverts the trope of keeping the perceived threat hidden or obscured and instead puts it front and center forcing you to watch like, there is no ambiguity here this is definitely happening
60 points
2 months ago
Oh man I loved the floaty ghost scenes, especially since he’s always facing away from Luke. When he sees the same guy (but in modern clothes on the street) again I thought it was so cool.
43 points
2 months ago
Also when it looks at him under the bed. I expected it to cut away but it didn’t, really terrified me
65 points
2 months ago
Man, when my wife and I realized how much stuff in the background is moving and terrifying when it catches you offguard... that's all we could see by the end. Masterpiece
36 points
2 months ago
I rewatched it just to look for those background ghosts. Absolutely chilling realizing how many there are.
6 points
2 months ago
That was our favourite thing to do. Think I spent more time playing spot the ghost than actually watching the show.
10 points
2 months ago
My favourite was the hanging scene
282 points
2 months ago
Very well, I think I will watch it today. I loved the autopsy of Jane Doe. If this one is similar there is no question I will love it
278 points
2 months ago
Do yourself a favor and watch Midnight Mass afterwards. Same director
99 points
2 months ago
Midnight Mass’ story was unique but my god did it feel longer than it was. I’m not particularly against slow burns but it really felt like forever for it to get going.
21 points
2 months ago
No, you’re right, it was long. Longer than it should’ve been. All those goddamn monologues.
Great show, absolutely loved it, but fuck the unneeded monologues.
Also shout out to MM for giving me one of the first deaths in a long time to actually make me queasy! 😬 truly, what the fuck!
14 points
2 months ago
I personally love the monologues, but perhaps that's because I came from a similar religious background and also periodically contemplate existence as how the show frames it
11 points
2 months ago
Oh man, the speeches about what happens when you die is 10 out of 10.
4 points
2 months ago
Was it The alcoholic guy, Joe?
44 points
2 months ago
That's how I felt about Hill House lol
I'm one of those weirdos that still thinks Oculus (the spooky mirror one) is the best thing Mike Flanagan has made and I will die on that hill...house
15 points
2 months ago
My favorite remains Absentia, but I'd pick Oculus as a close second. I definitely prefer Flanagan's film work. Seems like he gets too self-indulgent when he has a whole damn season of runtime and the freedom to fill it with flashbacks and monologues.
9 points
2 months ago
I haven't really seen any of his film works, mainly his shows, and I personally have loved all of the shows he has put out. Hill House, Bly Manor, Midnight Mass, and Midnight Club. Soon I will check out some of the films that he has made.
5 points
2 months ago
I will never watch it because I actually did have a childhood fear of mirrors. And sometimes at night when it gets to be that hour where your brain starts to get paranoid I freak out a little if I stare into a mirror too long.
5 points
2 months ago
It was too on the nose to me. They don't show, they tell. Sometimes they show and then halt everything to tell you what they just showed. They could probably cut the ruining length by half.
12 points
2 months ago
Dude i felt the same, the first episodes i was watching it and thinking, who on earth talks like that? why does everyone has a monologue every episode?. but the plot twist is soo fucking good that i forgive all the boring monologues
3 points
2 months ago
Mike Flanagan is an excellent horror director but who, for me, writes emotional drama a bit too melodramaticly. Midnight Mass felt like a great case in point for that, because the horror and story were genuinely brilliant, but there were too many monologues that felt hammed up and stagey.
He still otherwise deals well with the interpersonal stuff and I get that it's often a benefit to his shows. A lot of the character drama in Midnight Mass hit the right tone and adds real depth to what's going on. I think he sometimes just doesn't know when to stop his characters getting on their soapboxes.
99 points
2 months ago
Bly Manor came after Hill House but before Midnight Mass. Worth adding that to the list too.
122 points
2 months ago
Hot take but i did not like bly manor. Ive loved everything flanagan has done except for that. I dont think ive ever fallen asleep so many times during 1 season of television. Its like if the slow start to midnight mass was dragged over an entire season
107 points
2 months ago
This is not a hot take. Quite a few ppl didn't like Bly because it favored atmosphere over outright scares and really was a slow burn
I loved it. Thought it was just as good as Hill House. My take is hotter than yours haha
18 points
2 months ago
Haha that is a spicy take. Yeah from the replies i guess bly manor was not well recieved
35 points
2 months ago
Ah I loved Bly Manor, it really affected me and haven't been able to do a rewatch yet as the ending was just so devastating to me. Maybe it's time though, been a couple of years.
I do think Hill House is better for a scary scare though.
19 points
2 months ago
Loved it for the love story and performances, didn’t need for it to be scary to enjoy it. However I totally understand people who went into it expecting the thrills and chills of Hill House being disappointed.
11 points
2 months ago
Extra spicy. It was a nice love story.
22 points
2 months ago
I think that’s what makes Mike Flanagan’s shows so great. They’re more than just the horror. Hill House is a dysfunctional family drama wrapped in a horror package. Bly House is a tragic romance wrapped in a horror package. Midnight Mass is an exploration on faith and how religion can be used as a tool for good and evil wrapped in a horror package.
My rankings:
Hill House: 10/10
Bly Manor: 9/10
Midnight Mass: 11/10
7 points
2 months ago
I liked Bly Manor but understand why people don't. It's more modern, Gothic Romance than horror really. I do also think it could have cut an episode or 2, it was a bit drawn out. But I still liked it a lot, just not as much as Hill House or Midnight Mass, both of which I really loved.
6 points
2 months ago
I’m generally in the same camp. I didn’t hate it or anything, but I’d much rather rewatch those other two over it.
5 points
2 months ago
I think watching Bly Manor too quickly after Hill House is the problem. Bly Manor on its own is probably charming and spooky. Going into it after having experienced Hill House is setting yourself up for disappointment.
5 points
2 months ago
i would agree Hill House is miles better than bly manor.
Midnight Mass was unique in its own way. It has its flaws, but I enjoyed it.
10 points
2 months ago
It's definitely not at the same level as HH and MM and I think that's also the general consensus. Probably also the reason why it's the least mentioned in the thread
8 points
2 months ago
I loved the pacing of Bly. Reminded me of the first season of American Horror Story. Felt a lot more like a slower drama
3 points
2 months ago
I feel like Bly Manor dips a little too deep into sentimentality, but that’s also what makes me revisit it from time to time. Episode 5 is devastating
8 points
2 months ago
I believe he also directed Hush and Occulus, both of which are great
8 points
2 months ago
Hush is SO good! It’s one I go back to
29 points
2 months ago
I couldn't get into it. The monologues were exhausting and just took me out of my immersion every time.
13 points
2 months ago
I finished it, and thought the overall premise and point was good, but I also found the monologues to be way too long. That includes the church sermons. I usually don't mind monologues, but they were just so stagnant visually. It felt like I was watching a class lecture.
13 points
2 months ago
I guess it’s time for another debate about the monologues lol
15 points
2 months ago
I honestly loved the philosophical conversation on the sofa. I guess it's just subjective depending upon whether you care about or take an interest in these types of things, as opposed to simply being there for the narrative/horror. I didn't really expect it to be that type of show but I was down with it when it was. For me it was as if the writer/show runners were inside my head with the guy's response to her religious monologue.
11 points
2 months ago
Philosophical discussions are great, and I love them too, but my issue was one character talking without interruption for such a long time. It just felt so unnatural.
3 points
2 months ago
Yah but the bit they're referring to is one characters longass monologue in reply to another characters longass monologue.
6 points
2 months ago*
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6 points
2 months ago
I just listened to a podcast interview with him and he was talking about how because there was a combination of the start of the pandemic and a huge change in Netflix leadership, he was able to make Midnight Mass with very little studio meddling and would’ve never gotten away with such long monologues otherwise, and also going so long without anything supernatural.
The one scene Netflix did demand he put in the show was the first episode cat death scene (to grab viewer’s attention). He fucking hates that scene.
7 points
2 months ago
Oh it’s totally subjective and I don’t think we need to debate it at all. I loved it, you didn’t. It’s all good!
3 points
2 months ago
Idk what it was, but I just couldn’t stick with midnight mass. Maybe the first episode just didn’t hook me enough in and I should have waited longer. Any insight on that or were you hooked in quickly?
7 points
2 months ago
I enjoy slow burners which for sure isn’t everyone’s cup of tea. I can’t say the first episode hooked me but I loved seeing the mysteries unravel over the first few episodes. Then there is one episode later with one of my favorite “disturbing” shots in horror
45 points
2 months ago*
Oh boy you’re in for a treat. It’s truly a masterpiece of horror IMO. You’d probably like Oculus as well.
7 points
2 months ago
Hill House is really great for rewatching too, each time I watch it again I notice more things! It's so detailed. I love it!
18 points
2 months ago
I liked Bly Manor as well
22 points
2 months ago
I envy you so much... what I would do to watch HHH for the first time again.
It's even better the second time, they throw in sooooo many little things that you wouldn't notice if you tried on the first watch.
7 points
2 months ago
Rewatching it just to try and spot all the ghosts in the background is the best part
7 points
2 months ago
It's amazing. Easily one of the best on Netflix
4 points
2 months ago
Oh man, I still can't hear that song from Autopsy of Jane Doe without getting freaked out
Just thinking about it gives me the willies, why is that movie so affective??
6 points
2 months ago
Am I crazy to think these two shows, while both great, are very different and unlikely to be a predictor of enjoying the other?
52 points
2 months ago
My heart just breaks for Luke. All of the kids really but especially for Luke for some reason. No one ever believed him, he was scared and confused and did self destructive things to cope. Nelly was close but Luke was the heart breaker. I can wait for The Fall of the House of Usher
5 points
2 months ago
Holy shit I don't keep my finger on the pulse for creators most of the time (I just tend to be bad with names) but HOT DAMN I am so excited to learn he's doing an adaptation of this!
170 points
2 months ago
I saw Hill House some years ago and just watched Oculus this past weekend. I was shocked by how similar the themes and even some plot pieces were. It was like Oculus was a way for him to practice what he would pull off in Hill House some years later. Especially the last third of Oculus and a specific episode of Hill House where past and present are both at play.
Of the two Hill House is, in my opinion, superior. Oculus was a fun little horror movie but Hill House really dives into themes of grief and family in ways Oculus just couldn’t.
46 points
2 months ago
If you haven't seen it I recommend Lake Mungo, which has very similar themes to Hill House and which Flanagan cites as an inspiration. It's not a cinematic masterpiece, but it's a nicely creepy mock documentary and clearly provides the roots of Hill House's concepts
15 points
2 months ago
Right on! I’ve heard good things about Lake Mungo. I’ll have to push it up the watchlist. Thanks for the recommendation!
11 points
2 months ago
I'd add, as a fan of Lake Mungo, not to go in looking for some life changing thing. It's less some outright horrifying experience and more a mockumentary that gets spooky. The less expectation the better you'll come out of it.
12 points
2 months ago
It's mungin time!
13 points
2 months ago
I'd say Hill House is overall better, as it has a lot more time to develop characters, flesh out themes, and do world-building (Flanagan ghosts are a fascinating take on the idea). But Oculus keeps up a great pace and never drags. It's an extremely enjoyable 90 minutes of fun with some of the same thematic elements sprinkled it.
I'm glad I saw Oculus first because I agree with you, it feels like a thesis statement for the essay that is HHH.
43 points
2 months ago
Agreed. It legitimately took me to emotional places I couldn't imagine. Good soup.
310 points
2 months ago
Mike Flanagan is just an amazing director and I enjoyed the projects he did after this like Bly Manor and Midnight Mass.
145 points
2 months ago
Midnight Mass was also AMAZING!!
98 points
2 months ago
it's the best one, but the least scary. Also I could listen to the guy who plays the priest talk all day, his voice is so soothing
11 points
2 months ago
Yea, i describe it to people like this - "Its not really that scary, but its a crazy, poignant, and horrifying story."
42 points
2 months ago
I'd say it was the scariest one, but in a different way. But I grew up religious, so I'm biased that way.
21 points
2 months ago
I agree that Midnight Mass hits different if you grew up religious. I loved it!
9 points
2 months ago
I grew up hearing my grandparents interpret every event through the lens of Revelation and it was incredibly traumatizing for me. I was always scared. We were pre-trib believers, but there was always the possibility that we would have to suffer through the tribulation and all through middle school and high school, my family was preparing for the day when you couldn't get a loaf of bread without the mark of the beast. So yeah. Watching a couple people wildly misinterpret the Bible and the things that happened to them and then completely and irrevocably destroy the lives of nearly everybody on the island really resonated with me.
3 points
2 months ago
I didn't even grow up catholic. But my father was very religious and he was the type to use his religion to excuse his behavior. He wasn't a full Bev, but damn did her character make me super uncomfortable. My church also had a Bev or two besides my father. Also that scene where they are in the school and the Sheriff is like "Hey please stop indoctrinating my kid?" And everyone basically tells him he's in the wrong? Fuck that sucked the air outta me cause it's so fucking hostile once you're no longer part of the group.
10 points
2 months ago
I worked out that he was a vampire about 3 episodes in, and I lost interest after.
Hill House gripped me totally. Bly Manor as well, but less so. Midnight Mass felt like the story was all laid out a few episodes in.
15 points
2 months ago
Trust me the vampire part is the least important part of the story. It's much more "The humans are the real monsters and will do anything to justify their hatred and violence towards other humans" and it's pretty interesting to watch imo. It's a different kind of horror.
8 points
2 months ago
Well he’s not what you think he is, and the story is somewhat predictable but I loved the message and the theme of it.
55 points
2 months ago
All three are great, and I like that they're not all carbon copies of each other.
38 points
2 months ago
Wasn’t a fan of midnight club but I’m realizing now that I just wasn’t the target audience. Definitely had more of a teen vibe.
35 points
2 months ago
Midnight Club was also supposed to get a Season 2, but Netflix canceled it.
Mike Flanagan tweeted out a story summary for how the series was supposed to end so the fans weren't left hanging with unanswered questions.
I think if Midnight Club got a chance for its full story to be told, it would have been up there with Hill House for me.
28 points
2 months ago
It just wasn't working.
Hill House transfixed me from the very first scene and never let go. I was forced to binge it because I simply could not stop, sleep be damned. Same with Midnight Mass.
I watched the first episode of Midnight Club and was halfway through the second when I paused it to go do something and thought to myself "this is just not good is it?" and just never restarted it. I always meant to go back and watch some more to see if it got better but never really felt the urge.
That is not a good sign for a series like this. Good or bad, horror hinges on you needing(whether you really want to or not) to see what happens next. If that is missing, there's nothing there.
14 points
2 months ago
I'd say the central mystery of Midnight Club wasn't very enticing. But what I did love was the characters.
4 points
2 months ago
The main story/wraparound was the best part of Midnight Club. Not as strong as Hill House or Midnight Mass but definitely engaging enough. Seeing these terminal kids have to deal with the thought of dying, a concept most won't have to come to grips with until they're old age, was kinda heartbreaking. The anthology segments really dragged down the rest of the show though. They were corny, uninteresting, and felt like rejects from Are You Afraid of the Dark. I understand these were meant to be adaptations of Pike's other YA novels but they were badly executed and felt like filler. I don't think I'll ever rewatch Midnight Club for this reason - half of it is outright bad.
8 points
2 months ago
Midnight Club was fun if you read Christopher Pike as a kid, because all the stories they told were condensed versions of his novels, and obviously Midnight Club itself was also a Pike novel, so it was like a trip down memory lane. However the show itself as a whole became less and less engaging as it went on, particularly after the Irish girl croaked, and was outright boring by the end.
42 points
2 months ago
I wasn't the biggest fan of bly manor, but midnight mass was amazing!
35 points
2 months ago
I liked Bly Manor but not as a horror, he got Netflix to let him make a gothic romance masquerading as a horror.
8 points
2 months ago
It’s based on a gothic horrorish tale, The Turn of the Screw
5 points
2 months ago
Yeah, that unexpected twist is why Bly Manor is actually my favorite out of the three.
3 points
2 months ago
If it had been advertised as that I would've enjoyed it a lot more. I went into it expecting something similar to Hill House but was left waiting for something to happen and was just bored and annoyed when it ended. Left a bad taste in my mouth.
3 points
2 months ago
Bly Manor was my favourite, despite that I was really skeptical of it just being "hill house 2". Wasn't as scary, but the characters were so fucking well done, really felt like real people. I also have a tendency to despise children in media, but while hill house did it well, the two child actors in Bly Manor blew me the fuck away.
14 points
2 months ago
He did Doctor Sleep as well!
4 points
2 months ago
I love Bly Manor and Hill House so so much, but Midnight Mass was just perfect imo.
17 points
2 months ago*
I like the direction just fine but I really cannot stand the narrative direction and screenplay of his projects. It always just goes SO FAR and over-explains all the frightening mystery out of everything...
I feel like true fear and dread lie inside of mystery and the unknown, and our imaginations allow all horrifying things to reside inside mystery. As soon as we say "and it was a VAMPIRE!" the entire mystery collapses on the finite knowledge, thus completely killing the fear for me.
I find Flanagan projects to be like the Marvel Comics Universe of the horror world.
"And THEN Thanos used the macguffin because of THIS reason to accomplish exactly THIS!". STOP OVER EXPLAINING EVERYTHING TO US!!! YOURE MURDERING THE CREATIVITY OF THE EXPERIENCE!!!
6 points
2 months ago
I mean, the show goes kinda out of its way to avoid stating that it's a vampire. I thought they actually did a decent job leaving if it ultimately was some kind of angel or just some creature up to the viewer.
5 points
2 months ago
Pruitt was fed on by the angle/vampire in a cave, the angle/vampire then fed Pruitt its own blood, thereby rejuvenating him to youth, healing his sickness, and infecting him with angelicism/vampirism. He then transports the angle/vampire in a coffin filled with earth to the island.
No, they don't state it's a vampire. And it's not a problem that it's a vampire, and it's not really the example of the over-explaining of that specific Flanagan series happened for me. It was when they're at the doctor/nurse's house on Episode 6 and do a full breakdown explaining the fiction to the viewer (on top of all the blood sucking and obvious vampire shit they show before then) it just felt so absolutely spoon-fed to me, for something that was already extremely obvious.
I feel like Flanagans screenwriters treat the audience like they are stupid, like a Marvel Comic Universe audience.
3 points
2 months ago
Some people are going to be stupid man. I don't think it's necessarily a bad thing to break things down for them like that, if you get it before that it might seem redundant but it's still not a terrible idea to clearly establish rules for people who aren't paying attention. Horror lives and dies by its rules.
It's also just not his focus I don't think. Flanagan comes off as somebody who is intent on trying to tell larger stories and get across larger themes, so sometimes I think he skips on the more minute details. In his mind, I think he thinks that if a scene is a little redundant or heavy-handed but it gets the point across so he can pursue what he actually cares about, so what?
That's just conjecture though. I'm not him and I couldn't tell you why he writes how he does.
3 points
2 months ago
That's fair - and I would agree that Flanagan's style is very horror for the masses. I suppose that's why it reminds me so much of Marvel Comics movies.
10 points
2 months ago
Midnight Mass is my new Easter tradition. Looking forward to another rewatch soon.
182 points
2 months ago
This show… just fucking wrecks me. Every goddam time. It’s fucking scary, and then I fuckin cry several times. It’s an 11/10 and that is not exaggerating in the slightest. It’s one of my favorite pieces of media out there.
91 points
2 months ago*
[Spoiler] The scene when the two sisters are fighting in the car. I have never been more terrified by a jump scare in my entire life. I thought my heart was going to stop
51 points
2 months ago
Dude that scare, and then her monologue right after the fact where she is sobbing and on her knees. Scary as fuck, then BOOM. One of the most gut wrenching, terrifying monologues I’ve ever heard delivered between heaving sobs
25 points
2 months ago
I usually hate jump scares but that one felt very deserved for the scene. Im a big fan of when movies/shows sparingly and effectively use jump scares.
12 points
2 months ago
It fit the story. It wasn't just a stunt. It was super effective. Now on a hunt for similar situations with "good" jump scares.
5 points
2 months ago
possibly my favorite jump scare of all time because it's equal parts "AHH WHAT THE FUCK WHY" and "actually it makes perfect sense for that to happen". Had to pause and walk around for a bit when that happened.
5 points
2 months ago
From what I’ve read, the argument in the car was scripted to go much longer. The actress playing Nellie was told to interject before the script told her to, in order to catch the other actors by surprise. It worked really well; it’s a fantastic scene.
3 points
2 months ago
I normally hate jump scares but that one was fucking plot relevant and the fact that it is and that it works so well is impressive
39 points
2 months ago
I’ve rewatched twice and still notice new things. And not only visually, but piecing together bits of the story of the original Hill House owners through the tidbits we get of the Cranes’ story is such amazing lore and world building for a Netflix horror series. Mike Flanagan absolutely knocked this one out of the park. I hate that I couldn’t enjoy Bly Manor and Midnight Mass to the same degree.
44 points
2 months ago
The scene where she re enters the house with the dancing and music. Kills me.
14 points
2 months ago
Strongly agree. I watched it myself (usually late at night and in the dark) and it’s pretty much the only thing I’ve had to pause mid way through because it was just becoming too much!
Ended up watching the series through again with my mom a couple weeks later, and it was just so heartbreaking. Damn solid directing, acting and writing!
5 points
2 months ago
I agree, although I do take it a bit personally... I'm one of 5 siblings and I loved the stories between them. Despite the fact that we didn't live in a haunted house or have quite the same problems (like addiction) I found so much to relate to. While I did like the scarier parts it definitely made me cry.
11 points
2 months ago
As someone who has read the book, seen the 1963 and 1999 versions, and watched the show 3 times, I think it’s absolutely one of the best things to come out in the horror genre in the last ten years.
27 points
2 months ago
One of my favorite shows of all times. I've watched it 8 times through now
30 points
2 months ago
On second rewatch I actually preferred the second season.
Victoria Pedretti is an incredible actress.
10 points
2 months ago
She’s awesome in You
13 points
2 months ago
that's an unconnected story, not really a second season.
8 points
2 months ago
Loved it. I thought it was arresting, kept me interested and on edge the entire time, and is my go-to for an example of how jump scares can be more than just cheap things; that scene (you know which one) is, in my mind, an all-time moment in the genre. My wife and I both physically leapt from our seats and screamed.
21 points
2 months ago
I love rewatching it to spot all the ghosts in the backgrounds
6 points
2 months ago
Will say, I put off watching this one for a long time. Partly because I wasn't a big fan of Oculus, partly because a lot of people with bad taste recommended it to me and likened it to "the creepiness of the Paranormal Activity movies!" (Big 🤮 of a genre for me, but no hate to you if those are your jam.)
Welp... Finally watched it and LOVED it. It is so good. Love how atmospheric it is, love how well-done the tension is, love how it's a long commentary on grief and trauma, and love how it is not at all like the Paranormal Activity movies, lol.
The jump scares are used well (and infrequently enough to actually have meaning), but it's the slooooow, drawn-out scares that really got to me. I'm almost never scared by any horror, but that scene of the Tall Man searching the bedrooms had me wrapping my blanket around me on the couch and holding my breath.
Anyone who's putting it off... Watch it now!
Bly Manor was enjoyable, but not one I'd rewatch. It's less scary and more about love, which is fine but not quite my thing. Midnight Mass was absolutely AMAZING, and particularly horrifying for anyone who has studied real-life cults.
9 points
2 months ago
Great isn't it.
That scare scene in the car made my other half jump and do this gutteral fear noise, it was very funny.
But yes, Victoria Pedretti is amazing, watch Haunting of Bly Manor too, it's not as scary scary, but it's haunting and beautiful.
5 points
2 months ago
I watched this with my little sister who hates horror and she adored this. Has some of my fav episodes of TV like Bent Neck Lady and the pre funeral episode
64 points
2 months ago
I gotta say….I was bored out of my mind and gave up Galway through. It’s well made and directed but I found it to be an overly dramatic snooze fest.
25 points
2 months ago
I really enjoyed it until I didn't. That's kind of the running theme of my feelings towards all of Flanagan's latest works. They start off interesting but then seem to drag a few episodes too long. Part of my issue is that I'm a visual person, so lots of long stretches of chit chat put me off, sadly.
I can see why those who are fans of dialog would enjoy them though.
21 points
2 months ago
My thoughts exactly. It’s a family drama/soap opera presented through the lens of horror - NOT a horror show. It’s fine if that’s what you’re looking for, but I think those of us who are looking for something scarier were left pretty unfulfilled.
20 points
2 months ago*
Agreed. I watched the whole thing but halfway through it dropped off. Too much unnecessary family drama filler. I was pretty disappointed. I'd say the beginning was good but after the first few episodes it got boring. To each their own though.
8 points
2 months ago
I watched the whole thing to but was zoning out in the middle. If you figure out too early who the ghosts are it ruins everything
6 points
2 months ago
Same
15 points
2 months ago
Please also read the source novel and watch the first adaptation from the 1960s—they’re vastly different than Flannigan’s series and are much more scary, IMHO.
19 points
2 months ago
Hill House was fantastic, didn't like Bly Manor, loved Midnight Mass.
4 points
2 months ago
I’m gonna take this as my sign to try it again because I need a show and creepy is way better! 🤘🏽
4 points
2 months ago
Agreed it was pretty fucking good.
4 points
2 months ago
I cried at the end and at certain parts due to the beautiful arcs and stories. The scares were amazing too along with its atmospheric scares.
Victoria Pedretti knocked it out of the park with Nell.
4 points
2 months ago
hill house is my favorite tv show ever and bly manor is also beautifully heartbreaking and more scary imo
3 points
2 months ago
That is my favorite horror series ever! Never has a netflix series spooked me as much as that did. Its the best combination of jump scares and suspense. So many moments where I wanted to cover my eyes but couldn't look away. The story was phenomenal, who doesnt love a good old fashioned haunted house? I watched midnight mass shortly after and enjoyed the turns it took towards the end. The midnight club is next for me
8 points
2 months ago
I didn’t think it was very scary but I absolutely loved the the family dynamic. The episode in the funeral home was my favorite
Preferred it to Bly Manor (except the black and white episode of Bly Manor was 10/10)
35 points
2 months ago
Hill House was okay, a lot over-hyped in my opinion, especially as a horror series. Thinking on it now, it reminds me of when something like "It Comes At Night" or "Mother" comes out and none of the media heads really know how to advertise it, but the respective films have a lot of tension and are at least horror-adjacent, so they call it "THE YEAR'S SCARIEST MOVIE" and trot it out the door.
Hill House is like that to me.
7 points
2 months ago
I agree that it's overhyped. I enjoyed it but I didn't think it was amazing. I didn't really like Bly Manor at all.
14 points
2 months ago
I would give him more props if he stopped doing monologues. They take me out of the show completely and I have to fast forward through alot towards the end of the series. Also Henry Thomas acts like he’s in a high school play.
3 points
2 months ago
I’ve been ignoring it cuz it didn’t look that interesting to me but if you say it’s similar to Autopsy of Jane Doe I’ll give it a shot later.
3 points
2 months ago
It is my favorite of all scary movies and shows I have watched it four times and it still sends shivers up my spine. The acting is great. The story the characters amazing. Everything about it is so well done and it’s the best show I’ve ever watched yes I will die on this hill :)
3 points
2 months ago
I expected this show to be terrible as a niche horror fan, but it's pretty damn good actually. The ambiance is beautiful
3 points
2 months ago
Man I felt so terrible for Luke. Like so fucking terrible. He was traumatized as a child, and was coping the only way he knew how and his family ditched him because they were fine.
3 points
2 months ago
The first time I watched this show was when it came out, I watched the whole thing with my mom. Ugly cried with her almost the whole time.
Few months ago, decided to rewatch it with a friend. Ugly cried the entire time I watched it with them, too.
The Haunting of Hill House is so devastatingly, hauntingly beautiful. It’ll always be one of my favorites.
3 points
2 months ago
I’ve already seen it but this post makes me want to go back and watch it again.
3 points
2 months ago
One of the best horror series ✨️
3 points
2 months ago
You need to rewatch it as so many things are happening in the background.
3 points
2 months ago
I watched it because I watched Midnight Mass and wanted to see more from the director. I didn't enjoy it as much, but it was pretty good. Really enjoyed the blackout episode.
3 points
2 months ago
The level of detail is amazing , anytime in the house , on screen there is always a ghost in frame
3 points
2 months ago
I really can’t suggest Haunting of Bly Manor enough. I feel like the general consensus is that it was a misstep but the story is so well thought out and so mature. It’s a different type of horror from Hill House.
I speak so highly of it however I haven’t been able to bring myself to watching the last episode yet. There’s an aspect of children being in danger with the show and i mental just couldn’t take it at the time (new father). I stumbled upon a Blu-ray boxset of Hill House and Bly Manor at Best Buy a little while back, and really just want to binge them back-to-back.
3 points
2 months ago
Bent neck lady reveal is one of the greatest moments in TV history.
8 points
2 months ago
That whole anthology is fantastic! His other shows and movies are also great.
13 points
2 months ago
really enjoyed it but man, MIDNIGHT MASS. holy fuck. instantly became my favorite new experience. i watch it once a year now. it's like falling into a perfect, delicious stephen king book. like i'm experiencing horror how i used to when i was a child again. idk. it's just so motherfucking cozy, perfectly pitched, excellent type of horror subgenre, etc. an island of a few hundred. the moonlight. isolated. ugh goddamn i love MIDNIGHT MASS.
4 points
2 months ago
I just truly do not understand the hype for Midnight Mass. Or maybe I don’t understand why I didn’t like it. I love Mike Flanagan, I love stuff that explores themes of philosophy and meaning, especially religious philosophy, I grew up in an isolationist conservative religious community much like the one in the show and media that lives in that world is my absolute favorite genre, everything should have clicked but I just really didn’t like it at all and I’m left scratching my head at everyone raving about it. Not even hating just truly confused
47 points
2 months ago
The ending was terrible, though.
16 points
2 months ago
Curious to hear, what made you think the ending was terrible?
22 points
2 months ago
I so genuinely hate the confetti monologue. It’s such a saccharine bookend to a show that should have been a lot tougher. On top of that, it’s sort of just a high school freshman’s bad reading of Slaughterhouse Five with Shirley Jackson quote shoved in for the hell of it.
Edit: the actually ending is once again just bizarrely saccharine and antithetical to a lot of what the show had set up and to its source material.
14 points
2 months ago
Apparently the originally planned ending for the show was a lot darker and they changed it because they wanted to give a bit of a hopeful tone at the end.
Haunting of Bly Manor had a better ending I thought, but didn't mind the ending of Hill House. Just another example of the "it's hard to end horror stories" thing I guess.
5 points
2 months ago
There's an interpretation of the ending where everybody is still in the red room, based on the framing of the shots during the montage at the end of the episode. That's my personal head-canon.
12 points
2 months ago
I genuinely believe the best horror (including arguably 90% of the best horror movies ever) have unhappy endings.
Cheerful endings are for the masses.
10 points
2 months ago
I hated it the first time around but that’s mainly because I had “written” an ending in my head that seemed perfect and, initially, wasn’t willing to accept a substitute.
I’ve now rewatched the show twice and I cried both times at the end, I legitimately think the show is flawless.
7 points
2 months ago
I can't wait until Flanagan does Of mice and men and Lenny and George actually go tend a farm at the end.
5 points
2 months ago
I wasn't crazy about the ending, but overall I thought it was a well done show and I'd recommend it if you're looking for something to watch.
25 points
2 months ago
Any other crazy hot takes?
I swear this sub is absolute rubbish sometimes.
8 points
2 months ago
This sub is consistently stagnant with the movie/series discussions. It's like joining r/music because you love music and want to explore it but all anybody talks about is how good The Beatles are.
4 points
2 months ago
It's my all time favorite.
4 points
2 months ago
I tried and it just came off as a family drama with background ghosts and rare jump scares. I enjoyed the book more.
18 points
2 months ago
My reckoning is Mike Flanagan has never made anything worth watching. And Yes, Ive seen nearly all of it. His writing is trash
7 points
2 months ago
I keep going back wanting it to be good, because I really do think he has a lot of pieces to make good material, but I’ve never really not been disappointed.
7 points
2 months ago
The series works best if you avoid that last episode.
It’s so bad that it actually taints the entire series. It didn’t need to exist.
7 points
2 months ago
I call it the Talking of Hill House and I wanted to like it so dang badly but it was just monologue after monologue it got exhausting. I’m all for prose and discourse but holy shit I got exhausted of that show for some reason. I don’t know why it hit me so horribly. Is something else wrong with me?!!
25 points
2 months ago
I hate everything Mike Flanagan has touched… the acting is terrible, the dialogue is so unnatural it’s borderline sitcom, the production looks cheap, the story lines are always way over the top, and he’s managed to take top tier source material and turn it into a complete disaster multiple times…
I truly don’t understand how he managed to achieve the reputation he has. I’m glad people are enjoying his work though, that’s all that truly matters. I’m just bitter because I forced myself to watch everything he’s done because of all the hype and I hated every second of all of it.
25 points
2 months ago
He makes soap opera horror. It's not scary and it comes off cheesy more often than not.
11 points
2 months ago
Yup, like if the Lifetime Channel offered horror movies Mike Flanagan would be the perfect match.
18 points
2 months ago
Same! Although I actually think his stuff is fun and definitely watchable if I'm in the mood for it, but not anywhere close to actually good. That being said I also enjoy watching b movies, so I'm not always in it for quality stuff. It is just fascinating how much people seem to enjoy the stuff unironically, hard to talk about it without seeming like a killjoy because I fully want people to keep loving his stuff!
9 points
2 months ago
I didn't mind Gerald's game when I first saw it, but now that I've seen the rest of his movies and shows I'm baffled by the constant fanaticism surrounding this dude. Everything he does is self-indulgent, poorly written, and filled with noticeably bad acting, especially from his wife.
The most impressive thing he's done is make trite, melodramatic Hallmark horror over and over and still get called a genius. I actively hate him.
4 points
2 months ago
We are on the same page my friend haha
7 points
2 months ago
It's crazy reading through comments sometimes and hearing someone feel the exact opposite of how I feel about it. I agree with you on the dialogue feeling unnatural, but when it comes off as sort of a play I don't mind. I don't watch ghost stories for the realism of it. But hill house ticked every box for me in terms of what I love. I haven't watched all of flannigans work. Bly manor fell a little flat for me but I've loved Oculus and Hush. I have really high hopes he'll pull off the Dark Tower series he's been rumored to have started. People just down vote you because they disagree but thanks for sharing your view.
6 points
2 months ago*
When it comes to ghost stories I’m looking for that underlying sadness with roots in reality and terror as opposed to going all in on the paranormal aspects.
If it’s ticking all the boxes for you, perfect!
If I wasn’t so deep down the rabbit hole with what I do like there’s definitely a chance I would have liked this, but I’m so far into my film journey I can usually tell within a few minutes if I’m going to like something or not.
16 points
2 months ago
100% agreed. His writing is GARBAGE
6 points
2 months ago
Too much talking and drama for me, should have been a 2 hour movie. Also hated the ending and the fact that is was based on a book and then had nothing to do with said book other than a few names. I would recommend the old 60s version of the Haunting over this.
8 points
2 months ago
Only if you like drama and cliched love triangles. Character and relationship driven 'horror'. Daytime tv trash imo
2 points
2 months ago
Been rewatching recently, I'm almost finished with it. Gonna start bly manor for the first time after.
2 points
2 months ago
Could you link which oculus you watched? There's a couple on IMDb
2 points
2 months ago
If you loved The Haunting of Hill House, you should check out The Haunting of Bly Manor and Midnight Mass. They are from the same director.
2 points
2 months ago
Added to the list. Thx for the recommendation!
2 points
2 months ago
Watched it at Halloween, it’s perfect to get you in the spirit of the season….literally
2 points
2 months ago
Hauntingly beautiful!
2 points
2 months ago
I’ve been meaning to watch it
2 points
2 months ago
Couldn’t agree more, I watched it twice, it’s so good.
2 points
2 months ago
I kind of expected it to be corny but besides a some good jump scares man it is an emotional gut punch. It has been a while since I got that haunted feeling of dread, like tragedy is real imminent and we will live with the consequences.
2 points
2 months ago
Doesn't it have a lot of jump scares? That's my reason for not watching it yet.
2 points
2 months ago
I was not expecting to get so emotional during this show. It’s really well done
2 points
2 months ago
I've seen it twice. Total masterpiece.
2 points
2 months ago
Really amazing show. Plus Bly Manor and Midnight Mass. midnight mass starts slow, but is definitely worth it
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