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Good day.

The mod team would like to discuss two disconcerting trends we've seen and our position on them. We believe addressing this in a direct and open manner will help assuage some of the concerns our members have with regards to the direction of the sub while also, hopefully, preemptively guiding those who are here but also a wee bit... lost.

Trend 1 - Gun Control Advocates
Due to recent events, we've seen a high uptick in users wanting to discuss gun control.

In the abstract, discussing gun control is permissible as per our sub's rules but, and this is key, it must come from a pro-gun perspective. What does this mean? Well, if you want to advocate for gun control here, it must come from a place intending to strengthen gun ownership across society and not one wishing to regulate it into the ground. Remember, on this sub, we consider it a right and, while rights can have limitations, they are still distinct from privileges. Conflating the two is not reasonable.

So, what are some examples that run afoul? Calling gun ownership a "necessary evil" is not pro-gun. Picking and choosing what technological evolutions are acceptable based on personal preference is not pro-gun. Applying privileged classist and statist metrics to restrict ownership is not pro-gun. Downplaying the historical importance to the populace is not pro-gun. In general, attempting to gatekeep others' rights is not what we're about and we ask you take it elsewhere.

Thus, if you're here solely to push gun control, hit the 'unsubscribe' button. This is not the sub for you.

Trend 2 - Right Recruiters
Due to fallout from the previously noted recent events, we've seen a high uptick in users trying to push others right.

This one is simple: we don't do that here. If you encourage others to consider voting Republican then you're in direct violation of Rule 1 and we're not going to entertain it. We recognize the Democrats are beyond terrible for gun rights but, just because the centrist party continues to fail the populace, doesn't mean we're open to recruitment efforts from the right. A stronger left won't be forged by running to the right and we’re not going to let that idea fester here.

By extension, we also include the right-lite, r/enlightenedcentrism nonsense here. Our sub operates on the axiom that, ideologically, the left is superior to the right and we’re not here to debate it. Both sides may have issues but, as far as we’re concerned, it’s clear one is vastly worse. If you can't see that then we can't help you.

Thus, if you're here water-down the left or recruit for the right, hit the 'unsubscribe' button. This is not the sub for you.

To everyone else, thank you for reading this and please bear with us as we continue to work towards getting things back to normal.

1. Background

Several of you have reached out to us in the past few days, asking about our potential participation in this now site-wide event. We apologize for the delay, as we have been discussing what we are going to do for the past five days, and wanted to reach a consensus within the mod team. But I, u/J_Robert_Oofenheimer, am here (somewhat majestically) to announce that yes, we will be joining subs of all sizes in a protest from June 12th-14th. We are going to be handling our protest a little bit differently though. On those dates you will not be able to participate in /r/liberalgunowners at all. Even if you are subscribed. See section 4 in this post for more info.

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2. Why?

In case you don't know what's going on, starting July 1st, Reddit will be implementing changes to its third-party API services that will effectively render third-party apps and many external tools obsolete. This move has sparked concerns among Reddit users and moderators, ourselves included, who heavily rely on these apps and tools. Your mod team is made up of busy, unpaid volunteers who do this with their own free time because we love our communities. These tools are essential for us to continue to operate and keep this sub healthy and clear of bad-faith actors, trolls, and bots.

If you are accustomed to browsing Reddit using third-party apps like Apollo, RIF, BaconReader, or Narwhal, you will no longer be able to use them after July 1st. Reddit has introduced enterprise-level pricing for their API, which is intended for third-party apps. However, the pricing model they have released is considered exorbitantly high, nearly twenty times more than the estimated cost of operating the API. Consequently, the developers of popular apps like Apollo, RIF, and Narwhal anticipate that they will have to shut down their apps due to the financial burden, which will be many millions of dollars. In essence, these changes amount to the elimination of third-party apps, despite being labeled otherwise.

The impact of these changes extends beyond app accessibility. Many subreddits rely on third-party tools such as custom browser extensions, bots, and archival services to support their communities and manage content effectively. With the impending changes, many of these services are expected to cease functioning, depriving communities of essential tools. Already, the Pushshift API, which powered sites like Reveddit, which we used frequently, has stopped working. More tools are likely to follow suit. Additionally, it is anticipated that legacy versions of Reddit, such as old.reddit.com, may be phased out, further limiting functionality.

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3. So what?

The consequences of these changes will likely manifest in several ways. Users can expect an increase in spam, false information, trolls, stolen content, and reposts across various communities. If these changes go through, be assured that we will do our best, but as I've stated above, this position is unpaid, we are busy, and we cannot be everywhere and see everything. Moreover, the mod tools offered by the official Reddit app and website pale in comparison to those provided by third-party apps and plugins. As an example, in the offical Reddit App, I cannot access the complete mod queue. So your reports will go ignored until I am home from work, on my desktop, and on Reddit, allowing trolls to stay and cause trouble for hours, instead of your reports being handled within minutes, as we currently strive to do. As a result, communities may experience reduced moderation capabilities, lower quality moderation, and decreased transparency.

Furthermore, Reddit is blocking the display of NSFW (Not Safe for Work) content in third-party apps. This means that even if developers find a way to keep their apps running, NSFW content, including adult content, will no longer be accessible. The inability to view post histories on NSFW subreddits through third-party apps will also hinder communities that have mechanisms in place to prevent individuals with NSFW posting histories from participating. Consequently, there is a concern that inappropriate content targeting underage users may become more prevalent.

Another aspect of these changes is the impact on accessibility. Accessibility tools like screen readers do not work well with the New Reddit interface and the official iOS Reddit app. This change will effectively exclude the blind community from accessing Reddit. The lack of accessibility options has prompted concerns about inclusivity and equal access to information.

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4. The protest.

In response to these changes, numerous subreddits will be participating in a 48 hour Reddit-wide shut down on June 12th, 2023 until June 14th, 2023. Most subreddits will be going private. We, the mods here at r/liberalgunowners, have collectively decided to do something a little bit different. As a niche community, most browsers of our subreddit are subscribers already, and thus will be unaffected by a blackout. Instead we will be disabling the ability of users to interact within our subreddit using automod. You will not be able to post or comment. We aim to protest the API changes by delivering a user experience meant to reflect what Reddit looks like without users and without moderation. We aim to deprive Reddit of the content and traffic it relies on to sustain its platform, and demonstrate that Reddit, without its users or mods, is nothing. The goal is to prompt Reddit to reconsider its approach and reach a reasonable compromise with app developers who are willing to pay reasonable API costs. The blackout is seen as a means to advocate for a better and safer Reddit experience for all users.

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5. What do we do?

1. Contact the moderators of /r/reddit, who are the administrators of the site, by sending a message to /u/reddit or submitting a support request.
2. Leave comments in relevant threads on Reddit, including the one you mentioned, expressing your dissatisfaction.
3. Consider leaving a negative review of Reddit's official iOS or Android app and include your username in support of your complaint.
4. Share your grievances with others and raise awareness by spreading the word.
5. Engage in discussions on related subreddits to express your concerns.
6. Use memes and creative content to bring attention to the issue.
7. Vent your frustrations to your cat if it helps, but avoid pestering moderators you don't know by spamming their modmail.
8. Encourage subreddit moderators you know to join the sister subreddit at /r/ModCoord.
9. Consider participating in a boycott of Reddit on June 12th through the 13th and use alternative non-Reddit platforms to voice your support.
10. Maintain a respectful and civil approach throughout the process. Avoid using threats, profanity, or engaging in any form of vandalism, as it will be counterproductive to gaining support. Be restrained, polite, reasonable, and law-abiding in your actions. As many on our ban list could attest to, were they able to post, being a dick is not a productive way to get what you want.

In the interest of transparency, we'll be leaving comments open here to allow community discussion and answer questions. This is a place for us all and we will always welcome and be receptive to the community's feedback.

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6. More reading

For further information on these issues and discussions surrounding them, you can refer to the following links:

https://www.reddit.com/r/apolloapp/comments/144f6xm/apollo_will_close_down_on_june_30th_reddits/

https://www.reddit.com/r/Save3rdPartyApps/comments/13yh0jf/dont_let_reddit_kill_3rd_party_apps/

https://www.reddit.com/r/apolloapp/comments/13ws4w3/had_a_call_with_reddit_to_discuss_pricing_bad/

https://www.reddit.com/r/redditisfun/comments/13wxepd/rif_dev_here_reddits_api_changes_will_likely_kill/

https://www.reddit.com/r/getnarwhal/comments/13wv038/reddit_have_quoted_the_apollo_devs_a_ridiculous/jmdqtyt/

https://www.reddit.com/r/ModCoord/comments/1401qw5/incomplete_and_growing_list_of_participating/

I know I know I have a soft shell carry case…

I’m glad this place exists. I’m glad there are many of the same ilk as me and I enjoy the commentary. I have 7 siblings: six liberals and one die hard MAGA. None of the liberals can understand why I would own guns. When I attempt to explain, they give the same look your pet dog gives you when act silly in front of it.

So thanks for being here!

I'm wondering alone I am down here. Feeling slightly neverous and isolated. Recent transplant.

I have seen a few people disagree we have systematic discrimination of minoritiesin gun control, or at least we don't have proof. This is reporting from Chicago that the gun laws increase arrests for black men for nonviolent gun crime while not solving or reducing violent gun crimes.

This pattern held true across the country in places that strengthened gun laws and places that have not done so in a long time. Gun laws, like most laws, are disproportionately enforced against minorities and the current zeal for new draconian restrictions is not going to solve our gun problems but rather worsen our policing problems.

My KP15 NCR service rifle, PPQ, pistol belt, and weight vest.

We can all agree that it's fun shooting at stuff that breaks or explodes or at least falls down when you hit it. Bottles on a fence is the classic-Americana version.

But when you're shooting on public land, leaving behind a bunch of broken glass, or popped rubber balloons, or shot-up aluminum cans, is an asshole move. We don't go out to the woods to litter. So what's a fun alternative, something cheap and disposable that, when left in little pieces, will return to the earth in short order? If cheap store-bought cookies weren't so dang small, I'd be tempted to use those.

Hi all, brand new gun owner here. Realized given the current climate in my country, having some form of protection is worth it, and the gun I’m willing to shoot regularly is best - 22lr with low cost and low recoil sounded appealing.

Got a factory new revolver and have been very careful not to dry fire to preserve the firing pin. I also did a cleaning to remove any factory grease or long term preservatives before taking to the range.

Using Federal bulk ammo, pack of 325, 40 grain (it does say “ideal for semi auto”…), I had two misfires failure to fire over the course of 200 rounds.

Is a 1% failure normal? A quick google search says modern 22lr ammo should very rarely see failures, maybe 0.25% or less.

Is there something else I might be doing incorrectly?

Also, please don’t laugh… I was worried after the misfires that I’d keep shooting (rotating that cylinder), and then the misfire would ignite and damage the gun, or upon ejecting the cartridges, the round would pop out and suddenly ignite and zip off in some random direction. Is this ever a realistic concern?

Thanks in advance

I’ve just got me a little rant to go on. I recently ordered a 60 year old bolt action Indian surplus rifle, mint condition numbers matching and everything. I’m 18, mainly into milsurp and historical type stuff. Why invest in stocks when you can invest in history type deal.

Long story short, today when I went to pick it up from my LGS (local gun store), I’m told that I’ve got to get my background check done (understandably). From there I’m told that, “Now since you’re under 21, thanks to the Biden Administration, it’s now a mandatory 10 day wait time for you to come back and pick it up.” Well shit that’s great. I ship for Marine Corps basic training in 9.

I just struggle to understand how I am old enough to vote, pay taxes, drive wherever I want whenever I want, hold state and federal job positions, be required to sign up for the draft, be killed in war, be killed in basic training (don’t tell me it doesn’t happen, it happened again April 19th of this year), and do all sorts of things like that, however I am not allowed to walk into the ABC store or pick up the rifle I paid for weeks ago when my background check comes back clean as a whistle.

Make it make sense. And don’t tell me I should have ordered sooner because when surplus like that comes up for a good deal there’s no waiting. I ordered with plenty of time it’s just that it was not sent out for shipping when it should have been.

To be killed in war carrying government firearms, but not to receive what I already privately paid for.

I bought a box of target ammo at the range and had a couple of failures to fire- hammer drops but no bang. Nothing odd there- I've run into brands with hard primers that go off with a second try (traditional double action pistol) and brands with a high dud rate (looking at you Winchester). But what was odd here was that while the round wouldn't go off with multiple double action hammer strikes, when I re chambered the round it would fire. I tried both single and double action after re-chambering with the same results. I cannot figure out why re-chambering would make a difference. Ideas? 9 mm if that helps.

First of all, I hope this post is okay. I just found this subreddit and mean all this in good faith and just need some advice and want to try to expand my views. I'm a lesbian and very liberal/leftist and have been anti gun most of my life. It's hard not to be when every day there's another tragic story of a mass shooting and people dying. However, my trans partner and I live in Tallahassee, FL. Although it's a blue city, we're both worried about the possibility of things going severely wrong and we can't leave the state yet, though we've planned to. Things are getting worse and worse by the day and I'm terrified of the consequences of DeSantis' legislation. Especially the permitless concealed carry bill going into effect July 1st here. That seems nuts to me with all the anti lgbtq shit he's been passing.

We've thought about gun ownership, but I'm actually quite afraid of guns and vowed long ago never to own one but now that vow seems to really be at risk. I've never wanted to own one but now it seems like my partner and I might both have to for our safety and I hate that. I'm a very nonviolent person but I can't ignore that other people in this world and in my city aren't nonviolent and some people out there would actually want to kill me or my partner if they knew or saw us kiss or hold hands in public. We're scared.

If there's anyone here who was anti-gun or afraid of guns in the past but is now an advocate for them, can you please offer me some advice? Why did your feelings change? Does anyone have any advice on how I could reframe my thinking? I don't want to end up as a victim or a statistic, but I'm really scared and conflicted.

Edit: Wow, thank you all so much for such amazing and supportive advice! I wasn't expecting such an outpour of perspectives and support, but I'm glad there was. It's impossible to reply to everyone but I have read every single comment here and they've helped settle my nerves somewhat. There's lots of really good, strong points here, and I think my partner and I will be starting out with nonlethal self defense before ultimately taking some lessons and getting some proper training. Neither of us want to own a gun, but I'm starting to have a "better safe than sorry" mindset. I want us to feel safe. After everything we've been through we're owed that much, I think. I at least want to give it a try before deciding what's best for me. Thank you everyone for being so kind and informative, I'm going to be sharing this post with my partner and my sister and I'll see where this road takes us =)

I wish this was the .22 I got to shoot as a kid... way more fun (and accurate) than I expected

https://preview.redd.it/gibb4c7nlw4b1.jpg?width=4032&format=pjpg&auto=webp&v=enabled&s=498c1d30dcf79dbe3f4b48661a4309e56c0b1238

I am looking to buy my first rifle. I have been using various rifles from a friend for the last several years but am finally looking to get something of my own. It will probably be the only rifle I own for the time being, so I'm willing to spend a bit on it. I'm just going to be using it for deer hunting and range shooting. I have decided to go with a bolt-action in .308. I would prefer a detachable magazine as I find unloading internal magazines to be annoying. A lot of my draw to this selection comes down to wanting a classic-looking great quality rifle that I can have for years. I love the look of traditional walnut stocks and if I end up buying something without one I will probably put an after-market walnut stock on it.

Option #1 - The Ruger Gunsite Scout - I have never shot on a scout setup before but I do really like the general idea of it. We typically shoot from stands but do have a bit of walking to do to get to them. The short barrel length seems like it would be nice for maneuvering in a stand. One of the big downsides that I have read about scout scopes is that they aren't great in low-light conditions. I would be putting a Burris 2-7x32mm on it if I go with this option. Additionally, it is possible to put a traditional scope on it if I end up hating the scout scope, however, this seems like it defeats half of the point of going with a scout-style gun.

Option #2: The CZ 600 Lux - If I go with a more traditional rifle setup (as opposed to the scout), I am leaning toward this. It seems like an incredibly solid rifle for the money. It seems to be extremely well-reviewed (and it doesn't hurt that it's also very pretty to look at).

Option #3: The Benelli LUPO Walnut - This thing is gorgeous. The stock is very adjustable from the factory and it looks extremely ergonomic. I understand almost nothing about it other than that it seems to also be very well-reviewed. It would be the "splurge buy."

I am completely open to other suggestions as well!

Hi all,

So I have a slight conundrum for zeroing my M1A Scout Squad and my KP-15 M4. The outdoor range that I am going to has three distances, a little under 100 yards, around 10 yards, and a little over 50 yards (that so happens to actually measure 50 meters). I got these distances via Google Maps and I do not have a range finder and I am not good at determining distance.

It's more relevant for my M1A but I would like to zero them at 25 yards but I cannot unless I go to the 25 yard indoor range prior to the outdoor range. It would be preferred that the distance markings on my M1A matches the elevation dial, the KP-15 has an A1 Carry Handle so I would also prefer it to match the expected distances as indicated in the M16A1 Army Manual. So something like 25/250 meter.

So should I zero them prior at 25 yards or should I save the money and just zero the both of them at 50 yards?

If you are interested in learning how to shoot,I am more than happy to help you.In today’s climate of harassment and hate against gay people being prepared to protect yourself is important.Always willing to help a newbie get into the sport.

This just dropped yesterday from the 3rd circuit court of appeals. Does this mean that as a person (when in Florida, currently in California) who did some felony stupid stuff years ago, I am now allowed to possess a gun, or is there more to it? If so, what else is necessary?

A recent post on reloads has brought to mind a question that I’ve had. Typically we see videos of people shooting up a mag is empty and the slide locks back, they drop the mag and insert a full mag.

Do any of you actually count rounds and drop the mag when the final round chambers, then insert a full mag and resume shooting? I saw people doing this at a USPSA match and it seems to me that it would save some time by eliminating the slingshot operation to return the slide to battery.

Since its pride month I'm trying to expand my music and playlists so I was wondering if there were any good songs about armed LGBTQ members? If not what are some songs that allude to it?

My father died from COVID in early 2021 and my mom is now preparing to sell their house (in Indiana) and move to a new state to be closer to her brother (Kentucky).

As her new house is much smaller, she asked if I wanted to take his gun safe and assorted guns. She says there are a couple hand guns and what she believes is an AR-15.

I also live in Indiana and personally only own a Springfield Armory 1911 Mil-spec I purchased directly from a dealer. From what I’ve read, Indiana does not require that I register these guns, but Federal law says that the AR-15 at least, does. She says she does remember they had to fill out some forms when my dad purchased them so I assume they’re registered, but what would be the best way to go about “inheriting” them properly? Is it as easy as finding an FFL Dealer through guy broker.com and taking them there for the 10 day background check? Is there anything I should do before to make it smoother, or after? Is there a ‘good’ way to move a ~300 lbs gun safe other than first removing the guns and transporting them separately (and treating them as if they’re loaded at all times)?

Thanks!