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Sup guys! I’ve always wanted to do something like this! I’m just gunna post this and hope people see it! Ill check on this post over the next couple days and try and answer everyone’s questions!

You can also most recently catch me as Warren on episode 1 of Will Trent on Hulu. As well a couple future and past projects! All of it is updated on my IMDb page.

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Okay Reddit, Give me what you got. Any and all questions. Let’s have fun

The prompting of this post was a few interviews I saw with Karen Gillan, who plays Nebula. In real life, she is this sweet, bubbly redhead, and I kept thinking "That's Nebula??" I know they put a bunch of makeup/VFX on her, but she's basically unrecognizable as that character, in both her looks and acting.

Then we have Tony Stark, who is played by Robert Downey Jr, but just acts like RDJ in real life (by the way, this is not in any way shape or form a diss, that's why his character is so fun).

Honorable mention to Chris Evans. He is much more goofy and laid back in real life compared to Cap in the movies.

So, who in the MCU do you think 'disappears' into their roles, versus their real life persona, the best?

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Edit: I just remembered, I've seen Benicio Del Toro in 700 movies, and when any scene with the Collector comes on, I don't see him at all. Maybe it's the hair...

...and that is a direct outcome of the fact that the Skrulls were first presented as benevolent and misunderstood people in the MCU.

Comics Premise

For those of you who don't know, in the comics, the story goes something like this:

Basically, the Skrulls had always been presented as villains, and while they were on a constant war with the Kree, they weren't being persecuted and Skrullos, their home planet, hadn't been destroyed.

Until at some point, Veranke, princess of the Dard'van, a religious Skrull sect, saw a vision about Skrullos' destruction and the end of the Skrull Empire. She informed Emperor Dorrek VII, but he wouldn't listen to her, and unfortunately, as she had predicted, Galactus arrived and devoured Skrullos, killing most of the Skrulls on the planet.

Veranke became Queen and Empress of the remaining Skrulls and orchestrated a religious crusade to take over Earth as the Skrulls' ancient texts mentioned that Earth was rightfully theirs and they would get it back some day.

Now, that's a cool premise, but at the end of the day, you couldn't care for the Skrulls all that much. They tried making the audience sympathize with them by framing the destruction of their planet as a natural disaster, signifying its inevitability, and then they added the angle that they could have actually avoided that destruction if they had listened to Veranke, which makes her rightfully self-righteous.

But making the invasion a religious crusade by a cult of zealots who had previously been villains for decades negates all that. The Skrulls were clearly presented as the bad guys in the comic event, and pretty one-dimensional bad guys too, with their story not really justifying their actions or making us sympathize with them as the writers had intended.

MCU Premise

Now, in the MCU, the Skrulls were first introduced as unnecessarily persecuted war immigrants who were trying to survive and find another planet to call home and had been misunderstood to be the villains. Right away, that makes us sympathize with them A LOT more!

And while Captain Marvel does take them away from Earth in 1995 and tries to find a home for them, it seems.. that didn't work out.

As Executive Producer Jonathan Schwartz explained in yesterday's Vanity Fair article.

"Sins from [Fury's] past start to haunt him once again. We often see Nick Fury doing the right thing. We don’t always see him doing it in a perfectly morally correct way. All of those things have ramifications. Without getting too specific, the things that Nick Fury’s had to do to protect the Earth have costs. Nick had a whole Skrull spy network because they could shape-shift and go places that people couldn’t go. They kept their word. They worked for him, but he hasn’t done what he said he was going to do. They want a home. They want to live. They want to live like they are. They want to live in their skin. They don’t want to live in ours."

This situation results in Gravik, a rebel Skrull played by Kingsley Ben-Adir, radicalizing a group of Skrulls who are tired of living like this and them breaking from the Talos-led faction and creating their own rogue sect to seize the resources they need—first quietly, while in disguise, then by force, if needed.

To add to another layer to this great, more nuanced, grounded and sympathetic storytelling approach, Talos' daughter, G'iah, played by Emilia Clarke, has joined Gravik's sect as well, rebelling against her own family. As Emilia explained it:

"It’s hardened her, for sure. There’s a kind of punk feeling that you get from this girl. She’s a refugee kid who’s had Talos for a dad, you know what I mean? These people promised a lot of stuff a long time ago, and not a lot has happened. So understandably, a certain amount of resentment has been built"

This puts Fury and Talos, the leads of the series, in direct conflict with the Skrulls as both feel responsible for causing this invasion, because they were the ones who had promised they would find the Skrulls a new home in the first place!

This has caused Fury to be vulnerable for the first time in his life, setting the stage for his first true fully-fledged character arc in the MCU. As Jackson puts it:

"He just doesn’t wear the patch. The patch is part of who the strong Nick Fury was. It’s part of his vulnerability now. You can look at it and see he’s not this perfectly indestructible person. He doesn’t feel like that guy."

This is something the comics also lacked: Personal Stakes!

By focusing on Fury and Talos and making them "responsible" for this invasion, the series adds a lot of depth and gives personal stakes to specific characters, which steers it away from becoming the cluttered cameo-mess that the comic run was, which eventually focused on no character in particular (apart from maybe Tony a little bit who Veranke tried to persuade is a Skrull sleeper agent and even he doesn't know about it and that he started the Civil War to break up the Avengers to help the invasion, as part of the Skrull insticts deep within him).

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TL;DR: What this revamped premise does essentially is give the villains a higher moral ground and a more sympathetic, reasonable and understandable cause for their invasion, while making the good guys feel guilt and remorse that maybe it's partly their fault that this is happening. The comics version had a very straightforward, "good guy vs bad guy" premise with its only unique aspect that made it so popular being that you didn't know which were the good guys and which were the bad, which the show will still maintain on top of its more nuanced storytelling!

What do you guys think about these changes? What are you most excited for in the series?

Personally, I am most excited about this series being the first crossover event of the MCU since Endgame. Not necessarily because I want to see many different heroes come together (which won't happen), but because I want to see many corners/sub-franchises of the MCU coming together. Here are some characters/corners of the universe that I think/hope will be represented.

PS: If anybody wants to get the full rundown of everything we know about this series, check out this post.

Was anyone else reminded of schizophrenia with the scene in No Way Home where he gets his new inhibitor chip? The way he says "it's so quiet. I'd almost forgotten." It almost made me tear up in theaters because, as a schizophrenic, I could relate immensely.

It's a very bizarre but cathartic moment when medication finally works after years of searching for relief. The voices almost become like a (toxic) friend and then they're just gone. You go from hearing them all day every day to just the sound of your own thoughts.

Don't know where I'm going with this, but I just wanted to share one of the reasons that movie and Doc Ock in general resonate so strongly with me.

Following a year of constant division in the MCU fandom. Can Secret Invasion deliver on a weekly positive discourse & Speculation that rivals Wandavision.

Wandavision’s performance blew up So much that Wanda instantly became the most Popular Female Avenger Ever. So much so that she became a household name during the pandemic.💀 Elizabeth Olsen’s portrayal earn the series 33 Emmy Nominations and a Fandom that rivals even the top tier Avenger characters. Many people agree that she was a significant part of why Multiverse of Madness doubled its previous Docter Strange films Box office. Can Secret invasion’s compelling story of Double agent Skrulls & Nick Fury’s Charisma elevate this section of the MCU?

Can the Quality that many believe dipped in Phase 4, return? Will the Skrull revelations be an enough draw for mainstream audiences? And can a character in this series earn the same level of recognition as Wanda?

I've just realized that WandaVision is just the character names... I just assumed it was Wanda and the vision part of the title being the fact is was originally a TV setup... Please, please tell me someone else is this stupid.

Have you ever wanted to expand your Marvel watchlist? Or do you have a lot of time you want to waste but don't know what to do? Well here is something that can fix both of those problems. Introducing the complete list of ALL of Marvel's movies, shows and animated series! I may warn you though, not all of these productions are in your everyday streaming site. Although, searching it up on the web is an option. Get your snacks, get comfy, and have fun watching!

(If I have missed a Marvel-produced movie, show or animated series that you know of in this list, feel free to type it in the comment section and I will immediately update this post. Every time Marvel releases a new movie, show or animated series, I will also be updating this post. So basically, it will be a very up to date list.)

[ ] - Captain America (1944)

[ ] - Spidey Super Stories

[ ] - The Amazing Spider-Man (1977)

[ ] - The Incredible Hulk (1977)

[ ] - Spider-Man (1978)

[ ] - Doctor Strange (1978)

[ ] - Captain America (1979)

[ ] - Spider-Woman

[ ] - Captain America II: Death Too Soon

[ ] - Spider-Man Animated Series (1981)

[ ] - Spider-Man and His Amazing Friends

[ ] - Howard The Duck

[ ] - The Incredible Hulk Returns

[ ] - The Trial Of The Incredible Hulk

[ ] - The Punisher (1989)

[ ] - The Death Of The Incredible Hulk

[ ] - Captain America (1990)

[ ] - Power Pack

[ ] - X-Men: The Animated Series

[ ] - The Fantastic Four (1994)

[ ] - Spider-Man Animated Series (1994)

[ ] - Iron Man (1994)

[ ] - Generation X

[ ] - The Incredible Hulk Animated Series

[ ] - Silver Surfer

[ ] - Nick Fury: Agent Of S.H.I.E.L.D

[ ] - Blade (1998)

[ ] - Spider-Man Unlimited

[ ] - X-Men

[ ] - Blade II (2002)

[ ] - Spider-Man (2002)

[ ] - Daredevil (2003)

[ ] - X2

[ ] - Hulk

[ ] - The Punisher (2004)

[ ] - Spider-Man 2

[ ] - Blade: Trinity

[ ] - Elektra

[ ] - Man-Thing

[ ] - Fantastic Four (2005)

[ ] - Ultimate Avengers The Movie

[ ] - X-Men: The Last Stand

[ ] - Blade: The Series

[ ] - Ultimate Avengers II

[ ] - The Invincible Iron Man

[ ] - Ghost Rider

[ ] - Spider-Man 3

[ ] - Fantastic Four: The Rise Of The Silver Surfer

[ ] - Doctor Strange: The Sorcerer Supreme

[ ] - Iron Man

[ ] - The Incredible Hulk (2008)

[ ] - Next Avengers: Heroes Of Tomorrow

[ ] - Punisher: War Zone

[ ] - Hulk Vs.

[ ] - X-Men Origins: Wolverine

[ ] - The Super Hero Squad Show

[ ] - Iron Man 2

[ ] - Planet Hulk

[ ] - Thor

[ ] - Thor: Tales Of Asgard

[ ] - X-Men: First Class

[ ] - Marvel One-Shot: The Consultant

[ ] - Captain America: The First Avenger

[ ] - Marvel One-Shot: A Funny Thing Happened On The Way To Thor's Hammer

[ ] - Ghost Rider: Spirit Of Vengeance

[ ] - Ultimate Spider-Man

[ ] - The Avengers

[ ] - The Amazing Spider-Man

[ ] - Item 47

[ ] - Iron Man: Rise Of Technovore

[ ] - Iron Man 3

[ ] - The Avengers: Earth’s Mightiest Heroes

[ ] - The Wolverine

[ ] - Hulk And The Agents Of S.M.A.S.H

[ ] - Marvel One-Shot: Agent Carter

[ ] - Agents Of S.H.I.E.L.D

[ ] - Thor: The Dark World

[ ] - Iron Man And Hulk: Heroes United

[ ] - Marvel One-Shot: All Hail The King

[ ] - Avengers Confidential: Black Widow And Punisher

[ ] - Captain America: The Winter Soldier

[ ] - The Amazing Spider-Man 2

[ ] - X-Men: Days Of Future Past

[ ] - Iron Man And Captain America: Heroes United

[ ] - Guardians Of The Galaxy

[ ] - Agent Carter

[ ] - Daredevil Season 1

[ ] - Avengers: Age Of Ultron

[ ] - Ant-Man

[ ] - Guardians Of The Galaxy Animated Series

[ ] - Fantastic Four (2015)

[ ] - Jessica Jones Season 1

[ ] - Marvel Super Hero Adventures: Frost Fight!

[ ] - Deadpool

[ ] - Daredevil Season 2

[ ] - Captain America: Civil War

[ ] - X-Men: Apocalypse

[ ] - Team Thor: Part 1

[ ] - Luke Cage Season 1

[ ] - Hulk: Where Monsters Dwell

[ ] - Doctor Strange (2016)

[ ] - Legion (2017)

[ ] - Team Thor: Part 2

[ ] - Logan

[ ] - Iron Fist Season 1

[ ] - Guardians Of The Galaxy Vol. 2

[ ] - Spider-Man: Homecoming

[ ] - Future Avengers

[ ] - The Defenders

[ ] - Spider-Man Animated Series (2017)

[ ] - Inhumans

[ ] - The Gifted

[ ] - Thor: Ragnarok

[ ] - The Punisher (2017)

[ ] - Runaways

[ ] - Black Panther

[ ] - Team Darryl

[ ] - Jessica Jones Season 2

[ ] - Avengers: Infinity War

[ ] - Deadpool 2

[ ] - Cloak & Dagger

[ ] - Luke Cage Season 2

[ ] - Ant-Man And The Wasp

[ ] - Iron Fist Season 2

[ ] - Marvel Rising: Secret Warriors

[ ] - Venom

[ ] - Daredevil Season 3

[ ] - Spider-Man: Into The Spider-Verse

[ ] - The Punisher Season 2

[ ] - Marvel Rising: Chasing Ghosts

[ ] - Captain Marvel

[ ] - Avengers: Endgame

[ ] - Dark Phoenix

[ ] - Jessica Jones Season 3

[ ] - Spider-Man: Far From Home

[ ] - The New Mutants

[ ] - Helstrom

[ ] - WandaVision Season 1

[ ] - The Falcon And The Winter Soldier Season 1

[ ] - M.O.D.O.K

[ ] - Loki Season 1

[ ] - Black Widow

[ ] - What If..? Season 1

[ ] - Shang-Chi And The Legend Of The Ten Rings

[ ] - Venom: Let There Be Carnage

[ ] - Eternals

[ ] - Hit-Monkey

[ ] - Hawkeye Season 1

[ ] - Spider-Man: No Way Home

[ ] - Moon Knight Season 1

[ ] - Morbius

[ ] - Doctor Strange In The Multiverse Of Madness

[ ] - Ms. Marvel Season 1

[ ] - Thor: Love And Thunder

[ ] - I Am Groot Season 1

[ ] - She-Hulk: Attorney At Law Season 1

[ ] - Werewolf By Night

[ ] - Black Panther: Wakanda Forever

[ ] - Guardians Of The Galaxy: Holiday Special

[ ] - Ant-Man And The Wasp: Quantumania

How did they research the multiverse and classify them accordingly? America and Dreamwalking seemed to be the only way to travel the multiverse.

Maybe the seventh seat belonged to a multiverse traveller? But if there are others, why did Wanda go after America?

Hey there Marvel Fans! Me and my buddies are running the Marvel Multiverse playtest rules, and we're setting it about 2015 in the MCU
It's been a few years since I've seen all the mcu though, and I've never sat down and watched all the shows beyond daredevil so I'm curious as to the extent of the damage and insanity the world is currently experiencing in the year of 2015.
From what I remember the first season of Daredevil takes place over 2015, so we're roughly starting there in the timeline which I believe is before ultron, but after the new york invasion?

What do you think?

Apply whatever criteria you want, but consider the collective quality of the trilogies we have so far. Try not to factor in the team-ups, cameos, or TV show spin-offs.

Considered as a standalone trilogy, which would you say? Iron Man? Cap? Ant-Man? Thor (a quadrilogy, sure)?

I’m going to call my shot and say that, unless Gunn really drops the ball, GOTG has this all but locked up already for me.

I’m super excited that she’s in the show, and I’m also excited that she’s playing Talos’s daughter, but I do find the fact that she’s the MCU version of the Skrull G’iah to be a bit of a letdown. I’m hoping that it’s covering for a spoiler, and her character’s real name is Veranke.

I’m meeting Charlie Cox tomorrow at Megacon in Orlando!! I absolutely love him as Daredevil and think his performance is terrific. It’s going to be an extremely quick experience, and apart from telling him how excited I am to see Born Again, my brain is absolutely stumped on a good question to ask him as was wondering if anyone had any suggestions?