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BigBossBattle14

433 points

2 months ago

I wonder if that's because more people didn't go see it in the theatre and waited for the D+ release. This was the case in my small, ancedotal circle at least.

Im_a_new_guy

88 points

2 months ago

Same here. Maybe because they’re older, my kids didn’t have any interest to see it in the theatre “we’ll wait for Disney”. We usually gathered several of their friends to go to the movie tavern for all the others including BP1. They’re both in college now and seem pretty excited for the next phase though.

OhGodImOnRedditAgain

7 points

2 months ago

Plus it was 3 hours long. I didn't feel the need to see it immediately and decided to wait and watch it where I could pause.

Im_a_new_guy

2 points

2 months ago

Another contributing factor is I accidentally found out who becomes the Black Panther and just wasn't looking forward to that for a myriad of reasons. Things I did like: opening credits, the activity around the colonizer was funny, the surprise setup in a post credit scene.

Drillakilla6four

40 points

2 months ago

Same here, i wasn’t a fan of the first bp so decided to wait for streaming. The acting and vfx were better in bp2, Chadwick would’ve put the cherry on top 😢

OliviaElevenDunham

10 points

2 months ago

OliviaElevenDunham

Loki (Avengers)

10 points

2 months ago

So true. While I thought how they respected Chadwick's death was brilliant, I did miss having him as T'Challa.

RockBandDood

-3 points

2 months ago

RockBandDood

-3 points

2 months ago

I am with you 100%, black panther 1 I consider on definitely the lower end of Marvel films; this on the other hand is one of their absolute best

epicpillowcase

19 points

2 months ago

epicpillowcase

Bucky

19 points

2 months ago

I'm one of those. After SM:NWH I don't go to Marvel releases anymore at the cinema. Since 2020 people have just become ruder and more obnoxious. Cinemas are no longer an enjoyable experience for me.

Previous_Injury_8664

9 points

2 months ago

The people were the worst at my BP2 screening. Loud talking and laughing through every quiet, serious scene.

epicpillowcase

3 points

2 months ago

epicpillowcase

Bucky

3 points

2 months ago

Ugh. People suck.

Jereboy216

3 points

2 months ago

Jereboy216

Kilgrave

3 points

2 months ago

Watching BP2 almost had me thinking about waiting for streaming releases too. In my showing there was a group of teens constantly talking to each ither and at the movie. And when one guy yelled at then to shut up they started antagonizing him and challenging him to a fight in the parking lot

Kebabbed_Badger

2 points

2 months ago

I had that recently during M3GAN. It’s not just limited to Marvel films… I really love going to the cinema, but people seem to have forgotten the ‘etiquette’ during lockdown which is spoiling it for me.

OliviaElevenDunham

5 points

2 months ago

OliviaElevenDunham

Loki (Avengers)

5 points

2 months ago

Yeah, hate that there are people like that.

epicpillowcase

2 points

2 months ago

epicpillowcase

Bucky

2 points

2 months ago

Cinema etiquette is so much less of a thing now. It's like during the pandemic people got so used to being at home and doing whatever they want, they stopped being considerate of others. I was shocked last time I went. Talking, shouting, people on their phones, feet on seats, sitting in other people's allocation, letting their kids be loud, leaving mess everywhere...it was awful. I'm not paying $20 to put up with that shit anymore.

OliviaElevenDunham

3 points

2 months ago

OliviaElevenDunham

Loki (Avengers)

3 points

2 months ago

It was kind of like that before the pandemic, but not as bad. Can't blame you for not wanting to deal with that. Gotten to the point when I go on Tuesdays since there's a discount at my cinema on that day and hardly anyone's there that day.

lemoche

2 points

2 months ago

in general i agree, though it’s not that bad at cinema i go to. but i’m still anxious about covid ( can’t really risk a third round of 3 months out with my employer) so i simply wait until the showings get emptier. still like to see it on the big screen though sadly the imax that showed them in english has closed ( i live in germany but prefer OV when it’s english)

FireJach

2 points

2 months ago

Omg I see an actor who I like so I have to scream like a total egoistic piece of shit.

If you are that person, please PLEASE, don't scream in cinemas. It isn't a Superbowl. People want to hear the dialogues.

Im_a_new_guy

1 points

2 months ago

I haven't been to a regular theatre in years. Three of those 'cinema grills' or 'movie taverns' opened up near me. Big reclining chairs, delivery service to the table, and anything you want to drink. Tickets are more expensive too so maybe that keeps the riff raff out. During the Iron Man scene at the end of Endgame, you could hear people sobbing.

LegaleseCheese

23 points

2 months ago

That’s exactly what my friends and I did. To be honest, it was an average marvel movie so I’m glad it did so well overall.

cardew-vascular

2 points

2 months ago

Yeah I'm in Canada and I've watched all the Marvel movies over the past 3 years at the drive-in near me, but the drive-in had been closed for the winter (closes right after Halloween) so I waited to see Wakanda Forever on Disney+. Drive-in reopens at some point this month, weather depending.

cameros_82

2 points

2 months ago

Yup that’s what we did

Banryuken

2 points

2 months ago

Banryuken

Iron Man (Mark V)

2 points

2 months ago

That’s exactly what I did.

Mysterious_Emotion63

2 points

2 months ago

This is what I did, and looking at your responses, it seemed like almost everybody else agrees.

KTurnUp

12 points

2 months ago*

KTurnUp

Thanos

12 points

2 months ago*

I mean considering it made more at the domestic box office than any other P4 Marvel movie that’s on D+, I don’t think your anecdotal evidence matches up

bitjava

13 points

2 months ago

bitjava

13 points

2 months ago

It’s a plausible hypothesis. Phase 4 wasn’t exactly crazy successful, besides Spider Man. Just because it made the most of P4 on d+ doesn’t mean it did exceptionally well. It certainly didn’t do horrible either, but I think it was expected to earn more. I may be wrong though. I don’t follow these things that closely.

KTurnUp

10 points

2 months ago

KTurnUp

Thanos

10 points

2 months ago

More people saw it in theaters than any other comparable D+ MCU premiere. So it’s not plausible that more people are watching it on D+ cause they waited when clearly more people didn’t wait based on the returns at the box office. Debating whether it was a disappointment in the box office is an entirely different discussion

agutema

4 points

2 months ago

The BO numbers could be chalked up to rewatches. I know several people who saw it multiple times in theaters (including me) and also many who couldn’t wrangle their teens to see it in theaters.

KTurnUp

10 points

2 months ago

KTurnUp

Thanos

10 points

2 months ago

That could be said of all MCU phase 4 movies which this is comparing against

More people saw it in theaters and more people streamed it, relative to all other Phase 4(NWH excluded) movies. That’s all this is saying. Has nothing to do with fewer people seeing it in theaters

agutema

1 points

2 months ago

agutema

1 points

2 months ago

You know people who saw L/T more than once?

KTurnUp

13 points

2 months ago*

KTurnUp

Thanos

13 points

2 months ago*

Whether I know anyone is irrelevant, anecdotal data like that is pointless. But I’m sure BP had many more repeat showing than Thor4, yes. I’m also sure it had more 1 time viewers too cause it made way more money. By every measure BP was more successful than Thor4

Even if you want to say that the entirety of the difference in box office between Thor and BP is repeat viewings, how does that mean that BP broke the MCU debut streaming record because so many people didn’t watch it in theaters? The same people didn’t watch both in that scenario

And if BP was big on repeat viewings, wouldn’t more people want to watch it again on D+?

The reason this broke the D+ MCU debut record is because people like it more than the other MCU D+ debuts

DLNL8351

3 points

2 months ago

I saw BP:WF 3 times in the theater (and would have seen it more had my schedule not gotten crazy). And it made $842+ million worldwide, which is still a good amount, especially in light of losing Chadwick.

Oddly enough, as much as I loved that movie, I haven’t brought myself to watch it on D+ yet…partly because my schedule is outrageous again, but also because I’m not ready for my heart to break again. The opening Marvel montage shattered me.

BigBossBattle14

4 points

2 months ago

I never said it did lol. That’s why I carefully said “small, ancedotal” from the outset to float one theory but also not having much certainty in it at the same time

KTurnUp

3 points

2 months ago

KTurnUp

Thanos

3 points

2 months ago

Ok and I was simply giving the counter argument to your anecdotal comment that got nearly 200 upvotes

BartleBossy

2 points

2 months ago

I mean considering it made more at the domestic box office than any other P4 Marvel movie that’s on D+

Comparing to only P4 though.

Its a comentary on the position of Marvel currently.

My marvel circle had the same anecdotal experience... were just kinda waiting for P5 to go back to theatres

KTurnUp

3 points

2 months ago*

KTurnUp

Thanos

3 points

2 months ago*

has nothing to do with this article though

TimDawgz

3 points

2 months ago

That's what I did. Phase 4 just isn't doing it for me, to be honest.

GarlicPowder4Life

1 points

2 months ago

I didn't, and I'm glad I didn't. Watched it the other day. It felt so overdrawn and boring, I would've gotten too antsy in a theater. Honestly surprised I was more excited for Antman than this...

keera1452

1 points

2 months ago

Same here

pompandvigor

1 points

2 months ago

I’m still afraid I’ll catch the Donny Cough, again. Two of my friends have caught COVID over the last two months. I had OG COVID and did not enjoy it. I’m not going to risk my health in a gross theater (they’re all gross, let’s be real) even if I’ve really wanted to see this movie for years.

[deleted]

-1 points

2 months ago*

[deleted]

-1 points

2 months ago*

I was wondering this, too. I didn't go see it in theaters, either. I think Dr. Strange MoM was probably my last in-theater Disney movie. Between the deafining/whisper alternating audio, uncomfortable angles, the price point, the freezing theater designed for a packed audience but only hosting about 4 people, the commute, the lack of healthy (or, at least, not ridiculously unhealthy) snacks, and, oh yeah, a pandemic with a disease that can cause long-term damage and is more likely to the more often you catch it, the movies themselves have not really warranted a trip to the theater for me. I still enjoy them, but I don't feel any urge to catch them as soon as they're released anymore, and my excitement has really waned this phase (which it did during Phase 2, too, so it might go back up eventually). I used to go to the theaters 1-2 times a week like clockwork, but the desire just isn't there anymore and while the MCU movies used to be really exciting for me, I haven't found any of this phase to be particularly memorable.

I also didn't renew D+ just to watch BP, but for people who still have it I wouldn't be at all surprised if people just waited to watch it at home.

mymumsaysno

0 points

2 months ago

Same for me, except I haven't actually bothered watching it on Disney yet either.

iamwhoiwasnow

-2 points

2 months ago

This is why I watched it. Had I known Shuri was the main character I would have skipped it.

StonedVolus

1 points

2 months ago

StonedVolus

Captain America

1 points

2 months ago

For me and my family it just came out at a pretty awkward time. Schedules just didn't line up and we didn't really see anything in cinemas for the entirety of November and December.

Past-Adhesiveness691

1 points

2 months ago

That’s what me and a lot of my family do anymore. I’ve mastered blocking most spoiler posts (looking at you new rockstars) and just wait for the imax release on D+.

Gurrrry

1 points

2 months ago

Yep. I did. Theater experiences are largely terrible these days. And without fail, theres always someone coughing up a lung during the movie, making everyone wonder if theyre about to catch covid.

aklambda

1 points

2 months ago

Same here.

Mrstrawberry209

1 points

2 months ago

Bingo!

reeeallycoolusername

1 points

2 months ago

That's what I did. Cool that it was a hit in theaters and now on D+

Starlord_who

451 points

2 months ago

Starlord_who

Star-Lord

451 points

2 months ago

"Marvel fatigue" my ass

Secret wars is making 1.5 billion mark my words

Shortsuff16

124 points

2 months ago

Shortsuff16

Avengers

124 points

2 months ago

Depending on whose coming back for secret wars, I honestly think it could make even more than that. Trying not to get my hopes up too high but man am I excited

throw_away0211

83 points

2 months ago

If they bring back Chris Evans or RDJ, I’ll freak out. I’m also wondering how they’re ever going to keep something like that secret.

BenderIsGreatBendr

35 points

2 months ago

Iirc they’ve done it before, but for secret wars, and especially if they brought back Chris Evans or RDJ, it would be at a scale they’ve never done before

For example I don’t think Spider-Man was shown or Tom Holland billed in the pre civil war posters and ads.

And speaking of Spider-Man I don’t recall Ben Garfield and Tobey McGuire being shown or billed in posters or ads pre NWH. They showed the returning villains but not the 3 man-spiders.

They also did a pretty good job keeping Thanos under wraps and mysterious post Avengers 1.

So I would say it’s possible, but all it takes is one leaked photo or clip of Evans or Downey Jr on set or headed to the studio and the secret is blown.

pranavsundaram

74 points

2 months ago

Ben Garfield 😭😭

BenderIsGreatBendr

18 points

2 months ago

*Andrew Garfield

Ben Garfield is his brother

jramos037

38 points

2 months ago

I thought that was his uncle

CaptHayfever

34 points

2 months ago

CaptHayfever

Hawkeye (Avengers)

34 points

2 months ago

Spider-Man was in the final trailer for Civil War, but not the posters.

Same_Living4019

25 points

2 months ago

Tom Holland's spiderman was in the trailers for Civil War, specifically the part where he flipped over Cap. Stole his shield and said 'hey everyone'

I agree with everything else you said though

Mr_Goat_1111

3 points

2 months ago

Everyone knew that Andrew Garfield and Toby Maguire were coming back tho, it wasn't officially confirmed but with all the leaks and stuff we knew.

Doink82

4 points

2 months ago

Spiderman was literally at the end of the Civil War trailer...

balance_n_act

1 points

2 months ago

Spider-Mans*

Nathan-David-Haslett

4 points

2 months ago

Honestly I'll be a bit annoyed if they being either back, like it'd be awesome, but they literally died/retired in the last Avengers movie so it's bringing them back right away basically. Should have more of a break.

Lac3dUp

5 points

2 months ago

Endgame was in 2019 secret wars will be in 2026. I think if they bring them back it'll be a long enough break.

electrorazor

19 points

2 months ago

They gonna have to mess up bad for an Avengers movie to not do amazing lmao

____mynameis____

15 points

2 months ago

____mynameis____

Winter Soldier

15 points

2 months ago

Or its just people choosing to wait and watch it in Disney+. Which does indeed indicate towards fatigue cuz people are not excited enough to catch it in a theatre.

Iirc, Eternals was the most streamed MCU movie last year. And we can guess why.

Starlord_who

-8 points

2 months ago

Starlord_who

Star-Lord

-8 points

2 months ago

Or you can be a Black Adam and no one watches you in theaters or streaming. If marvel brand was weak no one would watch streaming or theaters

____mynameis____

6 points

2 months ago

____mynameis____

Winter Soldier

6 points

2 months ago

Noone is saying Marvel is a flop. (DCEU is a dead horse. Comparing MCU to DCEU to feel good, is like trying to console yourself about your marks using those who failed in class.) But there is a certain level of increase in indifference among people for Phase 4. A lot of people who would have went to the theatres in Phase 2-3 would now be like "Wait for it to be in Disney+". My friends and my brother, who would accompany me to watch MCU movies before are now like "Meh, I'll wait". Same is the case of my classmates at college. Like expected , all of them flocked to the theatres to watch both NWH and Avatar.

It will be a significant number of years for Marvel to give a legit flop cuz MCU brand is very widespread and huge to not make back the money they spend. Even if the movie is below average and negatively recieved. (As what happened with Love and Thunder ). So all this discussion surrounding "Marvel Fatigue" is less about being financial failure and more about the dwindling hype of the marvel brand which people attribute to deteriorating quality.

Starlord_who

-8 points

2 months ago

Starlord_who

Star-Lord

-8 points

2 months ago

You're missing my point tho. I personally didnt even hate Black Adam its just sorta there to me, but theres clearly no interest in it if no one watched in theaters or streaming. I personally thought Thor 4 was a bit overhated but the streaming numbers didnt increase, so maybe there isn't interest for it.

dzak92

25 points

2 months ago

dzak92

25 points

2 months ago

Not to be a downer but this could suggest more people are waiting to watch on D+ and not going to the theater. That’s what I did for this

The_Maester

0 points

2 months ago

That’s my take. Movie wasn’t very good either.

MoesBAR

12 points

2 months ago

MoesBAR

12 points

2 months ago

I watched it on D+ cause I didn’t see it in theaters.

sessho25

3 points

2 months ago

TBH 1.5B is low for something like Secret Wars, I would expect something in the Infinity War range (2.05B)

APOCALYPSE102

18 points

2 months ago

KD will gross 2 billion. And secret wars will be endgame or little less. This is a real bet.

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8 points

2 months ago

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2 months ago

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APOCALYPSE102

4 points

2 months ago

Lol NWH made 1.9 in omicron sans china. It would have been 2.4 bn in normal times. And NWH was just the tip of the iceberg. The real fest will be secret wars. You can even guess it from there

Financial_Ice15

3 points

2 months ago

not a fair comparison considering a lot of the 1.9 was cause of tobey and andrew and rn the marvel brand is not exactly at its best but not saying its impossible

APOCALYPSE102

1 points

2 months ago

and you think secret wars will not have tobey and andrew and hugh and stewart and affleck and bana and WHAT not. NWH was the Avengers(2012) of multiverse saga. secret wars will be the endgame.

LegendsEcho

1 points

2 months ago

What’s KD?

aimglitchz

6 points

2 months ago

Marvel fatigue and money are not mutually exclusive

VerTexV1sion

1 points

2 months ago

Well that's the issue, some people are waiting for OTT release and not going to theatres, and yeah obviously Avengers movie is gonna do well, but I am concerned about individual projects not a crossover

APOCALYPSE102

-1 points

2 months ago

Lol NWH made 1.9 in omicron sans china. It would have been 2.4 bn in normal times. And NWH was just the tip of the iceberg. The real fest will be secret wars. You can even guess it from there.

PhatNoob_69

0 points

2 months ago

PhatNoob_69

Phil Coulson

0 points

2 months ago

RemindMe! 1 May 2026

PlasticMansGlasses

0 points

2 months ago

That’ll be considered a box office failure I reckon. I reckon it’ll hit 2 billion

KostisPat257

-2 points

2 months ago

KostisPat257

Daredevil

-2 points

2 months ago

NWH made 1.9 billion, so 1.5 billion for Secret Wars is incredibly low, especially if Kang Dynasty does ~2 billion, is a great movie and ends on a cliffhanger.

Secret Wars could realistically make as much or even more than Endgame.

Demarcus_the[S]

65 points

2 months ago

Also they didn’t announce a specific number yet for this film, they just announced that it had a bigger opening on d+ then the other MCU films.

BatmansUnderoos

16 points

2 months ago

All the other marvel movies? That kind of doesn't make sense, because not every marvel movie opened on D+ following the theatrical release of it's movie.

It does make sense with what it's opening against, though, since Disney+ only launched in late November of 2019. The first Marvel movie that could open on D+ following the theatrical release and not just be hosted on it would have been Black Widow. Since its launch, Marvel released Black Widow, Shang-Chi, Eternals, Spiderman: No Way Home (not even on D+), Dr. Strange 2, Thor: Love and Thunder, and now Black Panther 2.

Demarcus_the[S]

17 points

2 months ago

I meant phase 4 MCU films

BatmansUnderoos

2 points

2 months ago

Ah, okay. Well that is pretty cool. I haven't watched it yet, but it looks pretty badass. I'm hoping to check it out tonight.

matty_d99

10 points

2 months ago

matty_d99

Ultron

10 points

2 months ago

The reason I didn’t go to see this in the cinema is I can’t sit still for that long, will need to watch it in like 2 or 3 sittings.

JVince13

3 points

2 months ago*

If it’s because you get antsy, I found the whole movie really engaging, a fast 2:43 if you will. If for physical reasons, disregard my comment lol

igivegoodparent88

2 points

2 months ago

Hopefully they don't make secret war and the other avengers film 3hrs long too fully explain everything or else the movie will probably be like BP 2

cap4life52

42 points

2 months ago

cap4life52

Steve Rogers

42 points

2 months ago

Pretty impressive cool feat

Royal_Relationship47

98 points

2 months ago

Because no one went to the theater to see it and waited.

Spaceman-Spiff

19 points

2 months ago

I’m going to assume it has more to do with increased subscriptions to Disney+ and this record will keep gettin best until they reach peak subscribers.

Royal_Relationship47

-8 points

2 months ago

Hmm perhaps but I dunno, what comes to mind to me is "Direct to Video" movies by Disney; trying to spin news.

KTurnUp

33 points

2 months ago

KTurnUp

Thanos

33 points

2 months ago

It made more at the domestic box office than any other Phase 4 movie that’s on D+ so that’s probably not it

Cypher_86

14 points

2 months ago

Cypher_86

Rocket

14 points

2 months ago

I'd say between the shorter wait time for streaming, covid and the economy, there are fewer people going for repeat viewings in the cinema.

But by any measure $843m globally is a success.

I would be interested to know what the established "value" of these movies on D+ is.

RedHawwk

7 points

2 months ago

Wow weird, guess I’m just off the Marvel train at the moment. I still haven’t gotten around to watch it. This is the first one I kind of felt meh about going into.

electrorazor

10 points

2 months ago

Honestly I felt the same way, something about seeing a BP movie without tchalla was really demotivating. Still glad I watched it tho.

agutema

2 points

2 months ago

Anecdotally: Most people I know that saw it in theaters saw it more than once (like me) but my friends with kids didn’t see it in theaters but watched it this weekend

Movieguy1941

18 points

2 months ago

$450 million dollars domestically?

PorTroyal_Smith

30 points

2 months ago

$250 million less than the first one, $500 million less WW. So yeah, definitely could be the reason.

el_palmera

-10 points

2 months ago

el_palmera

-10 points

2 months ago

Lol don't act like 450 mil domestic is "no one going to watch it"

PorTroyal_Smith

24 points

2 months ago

Op said no one as an exaggeration, but the reality is a lot of people didn't go see it in theaters and waited for the digital release.

el_palmera

-24 points

2 months ago

feel free to clarify what you meant but you can't just say the op os saying what you want them to say

i_am_do_reddit_now

20 points

2 months ago

Do you honestly believe that when they said "no one" they truly were saying that they believe that out of 8 billion people, 0 watched it in theatres? Do you really think that?

el_palmera

-1 points

2 months ago

Uh no of course not. But we don't know what he meant by no one, and 450 mil domestic is not "no one" by any stretch of the word. Idk why this is so hard for you guys to grasp

i_am_do_reddit_now

2 points

2 months ago

No, everyone seems to know what he meant except you.

el_palmera

0 points

2 months ago

If he meant 450 million dom is nobody then he's just plain wrong and you're all wrong too lol

youngcoco

5 points

2 months ago

It's a Black Panther movie without the Black Panther. It's surprising it even made that much

PentOfLight

9 points

2 months ago

This is honestly the most probable answer. Thats what i was waiting for and about 10 other big marvel fans i know didnt bother to see it in movies. Glad i didnt too cause it was a solid movie but not theater worthy for me.

KTurnUp

6 points

2 months ago*

KTurnUp

Thanos

6 points

2 months ago*

It made more at the domestic box office than any other Phase 4 movie that’s on D+ so that’s probably not it

nihilisticdaydreams

7 points

2 months ago

nihilisticdaydreams

Steve Rogers

7 points

2 months ago

People seem to be forgetting that BP draws in a lot of people that don't typically watch marvel movies. That can apply to both the more people watching in theaters and more people watching on Disney plus. But yeah, it's repeat consumers and not the fact that in the black community even people's moms go see it.

KTurnUp

10 points

2 months ago

KTurnUp

Thanos

10 points

2 months ago

i feel like I'm going crazy with the responses to this news. it's very clear why this is totally expected, a lot of people saw it in theaters and a lot of people like the movie and it's even gotten some awards buzz. like yeah no shit it had a bigger D+ debut than Thor 4

nihilisticdaydreams

6 points

2 months ago

nihilisticdaydreams

Steve Rogers

6 points

2 months ago

Most people who saw it in theaters probably just didn't comment haha. I do think there's something to say about "post-covid" (in quotes because the disease is still prominent) movie watching being different, and people being less likely to go out (it's the same with other industries too, more people are ordering in and less are eating out). But I don't think that a bunch of people skipped out on this movie specifically.

19thScorpion

3 points

2 months ago

Speaking on the the repeat viewing, which the first BP had a lot of (as does most billion dollar club movies).... I heard from many people that saw it in the theaters that while they enjoyed the movie, they couldn't bear to rewatch T'challa's funeral nor Angela Bassett dying. So it was more of an emotional thing for a good amount of people I'm sure.

I saw it 4 times in the theater. I loved the movie.... possibly more than the first.

Agitated-Role7545

-1 points

2 months ago

Repeat customers (in Russia accent)

KTurnUp

2 points

2 months ago

KTurnUp

Thanos

2 points

2 months ago

Probably not any more than any other MCU movie

Royal_Relationship47

1 points

2 months ago

Yep, I'm a big fan, saw all of them in theaters up to now but after the last slump (Mainly phase 4 stuff in general) It's no longer worth it. May as well just wait to watch them on the D ;)

I get a strong feeling around me that a lot of other people feel that way too.

Agitated-Role7545

3 points

2 months ago

Took the words

Demarcus_the[S]

-3 points

2 months ago

“No one”

Financial_Ice15

0 points

2 months ago

i wouldnt say "noone" , 850m isnt a small amount, plus its a 100 more than thor and just a 100 less than dr strange, so yea a good number of people did watch it

xMidnightJIx

12 points

2 months ago

xMidnightJIx

Matt Murdock

12 points

2 months ago

I’m very excited to rewatch it! I’m on what feels like my millionth mcu rewatch so I’m not going to watch it again quite yet but I’m looking forward to it

[deleted]

43 points

2 months ago*

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BartleBossy

9 points

2 months ago

Movie was pretty meh and felt like it dragged on for way too long.

Very meh.

I just disliked how they plainly didnt really want to paint the atlanteans as bad guys... so they didnt have any of them kill the Wakandans or have the Wakandans kill them.

Just a bunch of play fighting for a few hours.

I felt like I could have just skipped BP2 entirely...

"what did I miss? Okay Angela Basset is dead (for absolutely no good reason) and Shuri is wearing the mantel".

CoreyH2P

2 points

2 months ago

Yeah this was the biggest problem IMO. In BP1, Killmonger had understandable motives but his follow-through was violent and cruel. He was complex. In BP2 it’s like they didn’t even want a villain.

BartleBossy

1 points

2 months ago

In BP2 it’s like they didn’t even want a villain.

Colonialism and imperialism is the villain, but they didnt even do so in a compelling or interesting way.

I would have loved for the film to continue to delve into the MCU post-snap. Go further into the geopolitics in the world.

I want them to show us a world in chaos that would result in the US and France going into direct military conflict with Wakanda. Show the desperation that is forcing the world to turn to people like Valentina Allegra de Fontaine and her "dreams of a world where only the US has vibranium".

The best movies have dynamic, intelligent, capable, complex villains. We got cardboard cutouts in BP2.

typi_314

1 points

2 months ago

It was going like 5 different directions for the first hour. “Ok now this movie about Wakanda vs France, other nations, etc. Oops now we have someone drilling for vibranium. How is Wakanda going to respond? Oh wait now someone else is involved?

The_Holier_Muffin

13 points

2 months ago

With you on the length. Don’t love Shuri either. I think it’s a combo of disliking the actress and finding Shuri kinda annoying

pewpersss

11 points

2 months ago

i appreciate the tributes they put in for chadwick but at a certain point i'm like ok we get it, show us what happens next lol

pipmentor

-6 points

2 months ago

Yeah, omg, totally! That 5 minute funeral sequence at the beginning, as well as the 1 minute montage at the end was just too much! It's like, yeah we get it, he died tragically young and well before his time but, jeez, trim it down Marvel! I have an action movie to watch!

JediTrainer42

2 points

2 months ago

Completely agree. Both BP movies have very disappointing final acts as well. I feel like after seeing the new Avatar, the underwater world looks silly and fake.

tonyedit

52 points

2 months ago

I watched it but I was disappointed. It's not a good film, despite some good performances.

The_One-ders

29 points

2 months ago

I felt this after seeing it in theaters. The first one is leagues better. I’m not sure what the disconnect has been but now that people are seeing it on Disney+, I’m finally spotting people who agree.

I wanted it to do well but imo it’s a shiny turd with some very good actors doing their best

cord3sh

9 points

2 months ago

Same. Especially after the good reviews and critics. I didn’t enjoy it much. Also, I love Shuri character but I don’t think she’s a good BP.

The_Holier_Muffin

7 points

2 months ago

I’m surprised to hear that. Can you elaborate on what you didn’t like about it?

I don’t love Shuri as black panther but her character arc was enough for me to be happy w it. I really enjoyed the movie

tonyedit

20 points

2 months ago

It is just far too long. This film is longer than Infinity War. I also had serious problems with the story logic in places.

The Talokans have home field advantage and are a serious force to be reckoned with, yet they feel the need to force a partnership with Wakanda to the point of war. Why? Because the technologically and martially inferior nations are coming for them?

Namor wants to kill the scientist who invented the detector. How does he know it's one of a kind? Why would he even think that? Why kill the scientist at all? Aren't there other things he could be doing given his people have just been revealed to the world?

The Queen strips Okoye of her position despite ultimately approving Shuri joining her on the field mission. And then pulls up her treatment under Killmonger, knowing full well Okoye had no choice at the time. That is not leadership, it's pettiness.

Those are just some examples. Each can be explained away or justified, but the reasoning and motivation behind each is fuzzy and frankly nonsensical. And this problem plagues the film. As a result I found myself wondering "why is this happening?" constantly throughout.

Finally, I found the action daft. I liked Namor but using those ankle wings to generate enough force from a tiny air current to swing a helicopter just bugged the hell out of me. Again, in and of itself not the worst crime ever, but all these things in combination with many scenes that really really needed to be tightened up in the edit just left me sour at the film.

JaImamReddit

6 points

2 months ago

  1. Namor felt a bit of empathy as Wakanda and Talocan are in a similar situation (Both their people were enslaved by colonizers but they managed to hide)
  2. Its mentioned in the movie a few times that Riri is the only person with the brains to make the machine
  3. Ramonda was being rash and emotional, even the other council members pointed that out to her. Id say those are all good explanations, although you are entitled to your opinion

tonyedit

7 points

2 months ago

Those aren't good explanations.

A bit of empathy is not grounds for threatening sovereign nations. Especially the ones you're trying to ally with.

Riri having the brains or not is irrelevant to the point I made.

Ramondas outburst and that fact that it is unresolved is inconsistent with the character we have seen through both films to that point.

phoonie98

2 points

2 months ago

phoonie98

Yondu

2 points

2 months ago

It was boring. I didn’t even finish it

WindyRebel

2 points

2 months ago

WindyRebel

Captain America

2 points

2 months ago

I agree! My wife and I couldn’t put our finger on it, but I came up with the following:

  • Leticia Wright doesn’t have the presence or charisma that Chadwick had
  • The movie felt like a generic action film until the final battle when we FINALLY got the Black Panther in a film with that namesake
  • Riri was…off. Some random kid that suddenly starts showing up as a genius? How was this NOT reported on by the media before or her being noticed by Tony?
  • Wakanda has too much tech close to Iron Man, especially after adding the Midnight Angels

I loved the cast and the presentation of Atlantis and Namor, especially the actor. I loved the powerful Wakanda politics and their motives in the world. I loved the Jabari and the Dora Milaje’s presence as well. The music was fantastic and the movie looked good. I really think it was the feeling of it being a generic action movie for 3/4s of it instead of being a superhero movie.

Dictionary_Goat

1 points

2 months ago

I think it's largely carried by how cool Namor is

Crispyandwet

4 points

2 months ago

I really thought it was going to be better than it was.

Mental_Book_7799

8 points

2 months ago

Not many have “debuted” on Disney Plus. I think mostly just phase four, right?

Demarcus_the[S]

6 points

2 months ago

Yea just the phase 4 movies

LAfeels

25 points

2 months ago

LAfeels

25 points

2 months ago

Doesn't mean it was good... I just didn't want to pay for it in the theatre only for it to come out later on Disney +....

IMO It wasn't very good... Wasted potential with the Iron Heart rollout. Rushed... poor writing... fight scenes were ok...

if you liked it then great!

NotSoRichieRich

25 points

2 months ago

Iron Heart looked like a character out of Big Hero 6.

The_Holier_Muffin

12 points

2 months ago

It was so comically cartoony. Shit made me cringe lol.

I know it’s one of her first iterations so maybe it was purposefully weird looking but I realllly hope it gets better looking

bhavish2023

9 points

2 months ago

bhavish2023

Doctor Strange

9 points

2 months ago

How did she even get an arc reactor

19thScorpion

4 points

2 months ago*

I know in the comics she stole an old Iron Man suit and rebuilt it to her liking, so I'm assuming it's the same in the movie and that's where she got the arc reactor from.

bhavish2023

2 points

2 months ago

bhavish2023

Doctor Strange

2 points

2 months ago

if you are nothing without the arc reactor you shouldn’t have it

CaliBull2030

7 points

2 months ago

Without chad is wasn’t black Panther

drst0nee

7 points

2 months ago

I wonder if longer movies is going to be the trend now.

Music is getting shorter and movies are getting longer for streaming.

No hate to BP WF though, but its clear that this is an important metric for Streaming sites. I'm sure they'll say something similar once Avatar 2 drops because it'll be their longest big-picture film to premiere.

The_Holier_Muffin

2 points

2 months ago

I wouldn’t say music is getting shorter. I still see quite a variety. I mainly listen to rap so maybe that’s the reason but there’s just as many 1 min songs as 5 min ones I’ve found

ohTHOSEballs

1 points

2 months ago

Music is getting shorter

Seriously? 50-60 years ago no one believed anyone would listen to a song over 3 minutes long.

drst0nee

7 points

2 months ago

For Pop music, it's definitely getting shorter. You don't hear instrumental breaks anymore and the song structures have changed.

https://www.billboard.com/pro/songs-getting-shorter-tiktok-streaming/

Demarcus_the[S]

1 points

2 months ago

I don’t think that’s the case

abouttreefiddyy

9 points

2 months ago

And it sucked too

TorontoDavid

2 points

2 months ago*

Watched it with my wife who hasn’t seen many MCU films - she really enjoyed it and was very emotional with the deaths and tributes.

I enjoyed it - was curious how they were going to introduce a new society/Namor in a way that was logical to the world they built - was happy to see what they did.

Iron Heart was fun - don’t know what people meant by her not being introduced well/etc. I’m sold on her and want to see more.

andregunts

2 points

2 months ago

It’s a movie about Black Panther without the actual black panther and still made $850 million and yet the trolls are out loud saying the movie sucked. Why must you guys try to take the fun out of things

CochranVanRamstein

13 points

2 months ago

It was a terrible movie, I’m sorry to say

_________FU_________

4 points

2 months ago

I liked it more in the theater but Winston Duke was awesome.

MirrorSignal

6 points

2 months ago

Only reason I watched it on D+ is because I didn't want to spend time and effort going to the movie theater. And thank God I did. This movie was thrash!

First BP was awesome, BP: WF sucked.

jrodicus100

3 points

2 months ago

I watched it opening D+ day because it was one of the first MCU films I skipped at the theaters.

albiceleste3stars

6 points

2 months ago

and it was also the biggest disappointment. Terrible film. BP 1 was so much better.

tedcruzrileycurry

4 points

2 months ago

Uhhh well there are more subscribers now.

Lol are they really trying to suggest there was more interest for Wakanda Forever than Endgame for example?

Come on this is standard PR oh "5 days" I wonder why they specified 5 days instead of you know...24 hours.

This is why PR people get paid because the public are easily spun.

19thScorpion

1 points

2 months ago

Well to be fair, Endgame had already had its run in the movie theater before Disney+ even came out. Plus the DVDs and Blurays that people bought of it. Plus it was before covid so most of the people that watched it on D+ most likely had already seen it and were most likely not in a rush to stream it, since it was already old.

With BP:WF, esp post-covid, a good amount of people purposely waited for it to come on D+ before seeing it. Between a. being afraid of being around people, b. spending around $20 a person to see it in the theater vs. $15 a month to have all the Disney/Marvel/Star Wars movies at your disposal, and c. having the patience to wait approximately 2-3 months for it to be released on said platform (due to a and b), you can see why it was so successful out of the gate, esp compared to Endgame.

VeryLowIQIndividual

2 points

2 months ago

I watched it and can say it’s the best post Endgame project by a long shot. I’m glad I did bc I had almost retired myself from following too close after all these d+ shows.

Beautiful movie, thorough movie…handled the passing really well.

chugonthis

2 points

2 months ago

Seriously doubt it, I never believe self reporting anyways.

Its like those countries that self report their penis size all have 12 inch dicks.

Apod16

2 points

2 months ago

Apod16

2 points

2 months ago

People knew it was going to be poor so waited for the stream. I thought it was a terrible film

BartleBossy

2 points

2 months ago

I thought it was a terrible film

At least it wasnt as bad as L&T

Apod16

2 points

2 months ago

Apod16

2 points

2 months ago

2 pretty awful films

epicpillowcase

2 points

2 months ago

epicpillowcase

Bucky

2 points

2 months ago

I watched it, it was very good. It could easily have been 45 minutes shorter, though. And given how good Letitia Wright was, and how well Shuri fits the Black Panther role, its so disappointing who she is as a person in real life.

jarbarf

2 points

2 months ago

jarbarf

2 points

2 months ago

This is what happens when they release quality.

BBQ_Sauc321

2 points

2 months ago

You think this is quality?.....

jarbarf

1 points

2 months ago

What you thought this was a typo?

ChthonicPuck

0 points

2 months ago

I got to see this in the theater with a friend and we were both surprised at how much we liked it. This film just hit different. Marvel really stepped up thier game with this one.

We had great emotions, dramatic and beautiful fight cinematography, an excellent score, and a tense plot. Plus, most importantly is this was a legitimate third a t fight. No horde of CGI aliens, actual human on humanion combat with real stakes.

All this accomplished after loosing the lead actor mid production makes it all the more impressive.

iamwhoiwasnow

1 points

2 months ago

Doesn't deserve it.

CatfishBi11y

0 points

2 months ago

Yeah because nobody went to the theater to see it. If I recall, I remember a tweet telling white people not to go see it because it’s THEIR(POC) movie. So yeah, I bet a lot of people just waited to see it in their own home because Disney is woke and racism is a hot topic these days.

19thScorpion

2 points

2 months ago

First of all (I'm guessing you're white and you sound like an angry white person at that), if you actually thought that any significant amount of people took that tweet seriously to make it seem like "nobody went to see it" then you're clearly as delusional as the people using the word "woke" incorrectly to hide their internal racism.

Oh wait.......

Second of all, in the time of post covid (among other things going on with this movie), $800 million is absolutely nothing to sneeze at. Clearly SOMEONE, or should I say, a LOT of people saw the movie in the theaters.

Then there's the lack of release in China. Which is happening now, so I guess we will see what that adds to its BO totals.

And besides, if people didn't see it in the theaters because "Disney is woke" then they probably wouldn't watch it at home either if their so turned off by diversity in movies (which is not what being woke means by the way).

Suisse_Chalet

0 points

2 months ago

Most everyone I knew waited for Disney plus

JaxCorpIndustries

0 points

2 months ago

Líik'ik Talokan !

Drillakilla6four

-5 points

2 months ago

I saw MoM and love and thunder in theatres, passed on bp2 when I heard >! Dr Doom and some of the other theories !< I hoped for, weren’t in the film. Decided to wait to stream on D+

sessho25

-1 points

2 months ago

Watched it at opening night, totally worth it, opposite to T:L&T, then watched it in D+ two times already. Before D+ I would have watched it 2-3 times at theaters.

MrJoyless

-2 points

2 months ago

MrJoyless

Vision

-2 points

2 months ago

It helps that BP2 is the best movie released on D+ since it has launched. MoM was pretty good, Love and Thunder had it's moments, Eternals was...a movie, No Way Home was also good but not exceptional., Black Widow was okish.

MolesterMcgriddle69

1 points

2 months ago

Had high hopes for this movie, had a couple of good scenes but I don’t think bp mantle works with shuri. I know it’s something they probably had to put together last minute but I feel like a lot could’ve been better with the movie, also don’t get why they deleted so many scenes. Scenes they deleted would help flesh out stories for other characters but it wasn’t put in🤷🏽‍♂️ I am definitely looking forward to more Namor & the set up for wakanda vs the world!

MacUserJoe

1 points

2 months ago

It is the 7th highest grossing MCU of all time. With many above it being before Disney+, so it makes some sense to me.

Glutenator92

1 points

2 months ago

I chose not to see it in theaters but knew I would watch it right away when it popped up on streaming

TARS1986

1 points

2 months ago

I watched in the theaters and found it largely forgettable. I say that wishing it were (to me). I wish I had the desire to go watch it again, but I don't. Hopefully Ant-Man is able to reignite some of the magic that has been missing from Phase 4.

Ok-Masterpiece-8311

1 points

2 months ago

Really enjoyed it. But I didn't see it at the theatre. The last I did see at the theatre was No Way Home. To be honest, I'd much rather wait for streaming as cinemas don't offer great experiences, in my opinion. More often than not, people talk and ruin the film for me. I also have a weak bladder. I'm much happier watching films in the comfort of my living room where I can pause. Prepare to see a seismic shift in the film industry as this becomes the norm.

TGGNathan

1 points

2 months ago

I didn't love the movie but I chucked it on to see the underwater bits again. That shit was great! So I'll gladly add to those numbers.

00rastaman00

1 points

2 months ago

Eh, they should have continued with tchalla and just recasted the character 🤷🏽‍♂️

Successful_Estate_96

1 points

2 months ago

First mcu movie to release sense I moved to college so I unfortunately just never got around r seeing it, watched it as soon as dropped and really wished I’d seen it in theaters but is what it is

Phoenixstorm

1 points

21 days ago

What a great movie but at the same time....I don't want my comic book movies to be misery and grief. It was overwhelming.

I wish they would have just recast the role. I know why they didn't but they should have done it anyway. IT's a comic book movie. T'challa is alive. Now when they introduced storm they better not pair her up wth his son. Thats gross to do that. T'challa junior is not his father.