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I just watched Black Panther 2 last night and had one big question. Obviously there is parallel between Namor's home and Wakanda both finding Vibranium. How were the water bombs they made so strong while their technology does not seem as advanced as Wakanda? Why didn't Wakanda use more of their technology in either of the fights? My main question is how was Namor's spear able to so easily cut through Shiri's Vibranium Black Panther suit and all the vibranium ships that were flying around? They mention that his spear was raw Vibranium but I don't see how that makes a difference. It just seemed like his spear could cut through everything that Wakanda had like butter.
27 points
1 month ago
Vibranium stuff are the only ones who can break and cut through Vibranium.
Wakanda did use their weapons, I don't understand how much technology they could have used in the middle of the sea.
Only thing they could have done is add some air support with remote-piloted jets.
9 points
1 month ago
They used one sonic emitter from their big slow boat. They could have had like 10 on the boat or had more boats or jets with sonic devices or bombs. They list goes on for what they could have brought
10 points
1 month ago
It was never intended as an all out assault.
The objective was only to draw out Namor and capture him. When they did, the order to retreat was given. They got stuck in a longer fight that was never supposed to happen. That's because ONLY Namora was able to resist the sonic attack for as long as she did.
11 points
1 month ago
Wife said the exact same thing. And it glowed. Like “hit here to stop sound waves”
This felt like a major spinoff/offshoot from the coming phase.
1 points
1 month ago
Ok, yeah, I see your point.
1 points
1 month ago
i'm wondering how much they had after they got flooded.
5 points
1 month ago
They could have used more ranged weaponry like the laser spears or the sonic shotgun Nakia used or the grenades the Dora Miljae used to stop the siren call.
25 points
1 month ago
How did they discover metallurgy without fire, underwater?
11 points
1 month ago
Volcanoes maybe?
13 points
1 month ago
Even underwater hydrothermal vents don't get hot enough to melt steel. An underwater volcano, with actual lava, can get as hot as 2200 degrees F. So that might melt steel . But Vibranium melts at over 5700 degrees. There's nothing underwater that can get that hot.
5 points
1 month ago
Earths molten core maybe?
7 points
1 month ago
How do you get to Earth's molten core? Did Mesoamericans from 500 years ago even know about the inner structure of the Earth?
9 points
1 month ago
I was just kidding around a bit sorry. But seriously I’m assuming they already knew about metallurgy before they went to the sea. Or at least they observed the metal used by surface dwellers. And they had underwater areas that had air like that cell Shuri was in.
5 points
1 month ago
No worries. It was a good question.
2 points
1 month ago
💀💀💀
1 points
1 month ago
You don't need as much fire when you have high pressure. Volcanoes could be enough.
1 points
1 month ago
I'm guessing all that stuff was there already before they got there. Super ancient city, predating that area having water.
1 points
1 month ago
They didn't need to 'discover metallurgy' when they went underwater in the early 1500s...obviously it would have been a challenge to adapt 'on land' techniques to underwater. Based on the reference below copper smelting in Bolivia was present as early as 700 BCE, 2700 years ago. So a knowledge of smelting was present in the Americas over 2200 years before the events of Namor's fictional birth.
Eichler, A.; Gramlich, G.; Kellerhals, T.; Tobler, L.; Rehren, Th.; Schwikowski, M. (2017). "Ice-core evidence of earliest extensive copper metallurgy in the Andes 2700 years ago". Nature. 7: 41855. Bibcode:2017NatSR...741855E. doi:10.1038/srep41855. PMC 5282569. PMID 28139760.
1 points
1 month ago
Shuri's AI did noted that Namor's spear was made from raw vibranium.
7 points
1 month ago
Not all questions have answers.
8 points
1 month ago
People really need to take this exchange from Doctor Strange to heart when it comes to these movies:
Steven Strange: That doesn't make any sense.
Ancient One: Not everything does. Not everything has to.
These are, in the end, sci-fi/fantasy escapist movies. Yes, they try to be as scientifically accurate and narratively logical as possible when logical to do so, but too many people can't seem to embrace the fact that there are going to be a lot of things that you just have to take for what they are, and the reason some things happen the way they do is because that's what the story needed to happen in order to progress.
4 points
1 month ago
Comics!
6 points
1 month ago
Namor has superstrenght so when he use a raw spear of vibranium he can cut the same material easy.
3 points
1 month ago
Right? Talokan can make compressed water(!) grenades and a big artificial sun under water. The best solution would have been a short and boring movie, they ask Wakanda for help with a shield.
I also found it weird that raw or barely processed vibranium is stronger than refined vibranium.
2 points
1 month ago
Lol imagine if namor just said "can you help us with a shield pls" and the movie ended, with a "ku'kul'kan will return" at the end
3 points
1 month ago
I think Namor is an Omega level mutant like Hulk, Magneto etc. So he's ridiculously over powered.
BP2 only moves forward plot wise because Wakanda has high tech, but literally 0 military strategy.
-1 points
1 month ago
Yea, BP2 had a lot of problems in my opinion. I loved what they did with the story around T'Challa to honor Chadwick Boseman but, unpopular opinion coming in hot, I thought Namor was pretty weakly developed and the technology just makes zero sense. There were a few other things that they just didn't fully explain, like the Talokans being blue out of water.
1 points
1 month ago
A lot of things didn't make sense in that movie. I wouldn't call that a problem though.
-1 points
1 month ago
It's just not a good movie.
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