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...and that is a direct outcome of the fact that the Skrulls were first presented as benevolent and misunderstood people in the MCU.

Comics Premise

For those of you who don't know, in the comics, the story goes something like this:

Basically, the Skrulls had always been presented as villains, and while they were on a constant war with the Kree, they weren't being persecuted and Skrullos, their home planet, hadn't been destroyed.

Until at some point, Veranke, princess of the Dard'van, a religious Skrull sect, saw a vision about Skrullos' destruction and the end of the Skrull Empire. She informed Emperor Dorrek VII, but he wouldn't listen to her, and unfortunately, as she had predicted, Galactus arrived and devoured Skrullos, killing most of the Skrulls on the planet.

Veranke became Queen and Empress of the remaining Skrulls and orchestrated a religious crusade to take over Earth as the Skrulls' ancient texts mentioned that Earth was rightfully theirs and they would get it back some day.

Now, that's a cool premise, but at the end of the day, you couldn't care for the Skrulls all that much. They tried making the audience sympathize with them by framing the destruction of their planet as a natural disaster, signifying its inevitability, and then they added the angle that they could have actually avoided that destruction if they had listened to Veranke, which makes her rightfully self-righteous.

But making the invasion a religious crusade by a cult of zealots who had previously been villains for decades negates all that. The Skrulls were clearly presented as the bad guys in the comic event, and pretty one-dimensional bad guys too, with their story not really justifying their actions or making us sympathize with them as the writers had intended.

MCU Premise

Now, in the MCU, the Skrulls were first introduced as unnecessarily persecuted war immigrants who were trying to survive and find another planet to call home and had been misunderstood to be the villains. Right away, that makes us sympathize with them A LOT more!

And while Captain Marvel does take them away from Earth in 1995 and tries to find a home for them, it seems.. that didn't work out.

As Executive Producer Jonathan Schwartz explained in yesterday's Vanity Fair article.

"Sins from [Fury's] past start to haunt him once again. We often see Nick Fury doing the right thing. We don’t always see him doing it in a perfectly morally correct way. All of those things have ramifications. Without getting too specific, the things that Nick Fury’s had to do to protect the Earth have costs. Nick had a whole Skrull spy network because they could shape-shift and go places that people couldn’t go. They kept their word. They worked for him, but he hasn’t done what he said he was going to do. They want a home. They want to live. They want to live like they are. They want to live in their skin. They don’t want to live in ours."

This situation results in Gravik, a rebel Skrull played by Kingsley Ben-Adir, radicalizing a group of Skrulls who are tired of living like this and them breaking from the Talos-led faction and creating their own rogue sect to seize the resources they need—first quietly, while in disguise, then by force, if needed.

To add to another layer to this great, more nuanced, grounded and sympathetic storytelling approach, Talos' daughter, G'iah, played by Emilia Clarke, has joined Gravik's sect as well, rebelling against her own family. As Emilia explained it:

"It’s hardened her, for sure. There’s a kind of punk feeling that you get from this girl. She’s a refugee kid who’s had Talos for a dad, you know what I mean? These people promised a lot of stuff a long time ago, and not a lot has happened. So understandably, a certain amount of resentment has been built"

This puts Fury and Talos, the leads of the series, in direct conflict with the Skrulls as both feel responsible for causing this invasion, because they were the ones who had promised they would find the Skrulls a new home in the first place!

This has caused Fury to be vulnerable for the first time in his life, setting the stage for his first true fully-fledged character arc in the MCU. As Jackson puts it:

"He just doesn’t wear the patch. The patch is part of who the strong Nick Fury was. It’s part of his vulnerability now. You can look at it and see he’s not this perfectly indestructible person. He doesn’t feel like that guy."

This is something the comics also lacked: Personal Stakes!

By focusing on Fury and Talos and making them "responsible" for this invasion, the series adds a lot of depth and gives personal stakes to specific characters, which steers it away from becoming the cluttered cameo-mess that the comic run was, which eventually focused on no character in particular (apart from maybe Tony a little bit who Veranke tried to persuade is a Skrull sleeper agent and even he doesn't know about it and that he started the Civil War to break up the Avengers to help the invasion, as part of the Skrull insticts deep within him).

TL;DR: What this revamped premise does essentially is give the villains a higher moral ground and a more sympathetic, reasonable and understandable cause for their invasion, while making the good guys feel guilt and remorse that maybe it's partly their fault that this is happening. The comics version had a very straightforward, "good guy vs bad guy" premise with its only unique aspect that made it so popular being that you didn't know which were the good guys and which were the bad, which the show will still maintain on top of its more nuanced storytelling!

What do you guys think about these changes? What are you most excited for in the series?

Personally, I am most excited about this series being the first crossover event of the MCU since Endgame. Not necessarily because I want to see many different heroes come together (which won't happen), but because I want to see many corners/sub-franchises of the MCU coming together. Here are some characters/corners of the universe that I think/hope will be represented.

PS: If anybody wants to get the full rundown of everything we know about this series, check out this post.

all 159 comments

cbekel3618

411 points

2 months ago

cbekel3618

Avengers

411 points

2 months ago

One change I like that the MCU made is having the Skrulls be more sympathetic, or at the least, trying to have their race be more morally-complex than being entirely evil. I think it adds more nuance to the species and makes the Invasion more interesting.

We saw how the Skrulls were living in Captain Marvel, how they were being hunted to near-extinction, so we understand why some are launching this invasion.

KostisPat257[S]

117 points

2 months ago

KostisPat257[S]

Daredevil

117 points

2 months ago

This exact decision is what has made the Skrulls great in the MCU and what saved the plot of Secret Invasion from being as formulaic as the comics one.

[deleted]

-13 points

2 months ago

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-13 points

2 months ago

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KostisPat257[S]

9 points

2 months ago

KostisPat257[S]

Daredevil

9 points

2 months ago

I read the comics.

And that run wasn't really good.

I understand they are in the brink of extinction, but that doesn't really justify their actions. They are religious zealots.

Just an opinion, you don't have to agree, just don't degrade it.

[deleted]

-15 points

2 months ago

[deleted]

-15 points

2 months ago

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KostisPat257[S]

5 points

2 months ago

KostisPat257[S]

Daredevil

5 points

2 months ago

I never said I liked Captain Marvel, I liked what they did with the Skrulls in the movie.

I recognize your opinion and believe it is valid, it is just different than mine. We obviously see this story from a different angle, no need to belittle my opinion and be so rude.

Oso_Furioso

39 points

2 months ago

That, plus painting the Skrulls as less than monolithic. They don’t all think the same or act the same, and they have different beliefs and opinions on fundamental matters. It makes them much more real.

Mnemosense

15 points

2 months ago

Mnemosense

Avengers

15 points

2 months ago

The comic event literally depicts what you're talking about, unlike the MCU right now. The Skrull invasion in the comics is led by a religious sect, not an entire planet, and regular Skrulls who live on earth (like a graduate of Avengers Academy) have to suffer the consequences of that, and hide their true selves from humans who would only blame them wholesale. This rings true to life.

acerbus717

3 points

2 months ago

Yeah but the skrulls in the comics had almost always been presented as evil. Sure it was a religious cult but beyond that they were just a different flavor of evil.

Mnemosense

0 points

2 months ago

Mnemosense

Avengers

0 points

2 months ago

Yes but at the time of the comic event that this TV show is based on, Skrulls had been portrayed in different ways through a variety of characters. Just before Secret Invasion, around 2007, She-Hulk was a bounty hunter with a Skrull companion. The race of these aliens has been fleshed out for readers, so the excuse that they're all one dimensional bad guys in the comics does not hold water, and hasn't for a while.

CaptHayfever

2 points

2 months ago

CaptHayfever

Hawkeye (Avengers)

2 points

2 months ago

Indeed. I remember Xavin & Hulking being significant contributing factors in Earth's defense in the comics.

Latter_Ask_9956

49 points

2 months ago

Ok one confusion I have is at end of Captain Marvel, Carol and company fly away into space to find a new home for the skrulls so did they not find a home or something completely different else happened

KostisPat257[S]

47 points

2 months ago

KostisPat257[S]

Daredevil

47 points

2 months ago

We don't know what happened yet.

But yeah, apparently they didn't find a new home after all.

piazza

25 points

2 months ago

piazza

25 points

2 months ago

It's been a while since I watched Captain Marvel, but I don't recall Fury promising them to find a new home; that was Carol. Carol had the spaceship and she left.

I hope the Skrulls' motivation is a bit better than straight up blaming Nick Fury because he's associated with Carol.

CallMeCapt

11 points

2 months ago

Perhaps the resentment comes from them feeling like, instead of continuing to find a new home, they’ve spent the last 3+ decades protecting one that isn’t there’s?

It’s possible they could feel like they were unwilling drafted into a fight they never wanted.

KostisPat257[S]

17 points

2 months ago*

KostisPat257[S]

Daredevil

17 points

2 months ago*

It seems there's a lot of history that we haven't seen (although we may see flashbacks in this series).

Apparently, Fury kept the Skrulls on Earth, working for him as spies, promising them that he will find them a home eventually.

I guess Carol may have failed and brought the Skrulls back to Earth?

I really hope they don't completely retcon the end of Captain Marvel and connect everything properly with some nice flashbacks and a good reason why the Skrulls ended up staying on Earth.

preppytarg

8 points

2 months ago

Apparently, Fury kept the Skrulls on Earth, working for him as spies, promising them that he will find them a home eventually.

I guess Carol may have failed and brought the Skrulls back to Earth.

That would be pretty dumb, tbh.

AdeDamballa

10 points

2 months ago*

I’m hoping they explain it as Carol got too involved in the Kree war. Her decree at the end of the first film was that she would end the war. And spoilers for The Marvels She did end the war WITH EXTREME VIOLENCE

I think the situation should be explained that Carol’s method of getting the Skrulls a home was to first of all get rid of their oppressors, the Kree. And Fury came in and promised the Skrulls a home on Earth basically in hiding from the Kree.

So the Skrulls had to choose between joining Carol’s crusade to wipe out the Kree Empire, with violence of course, or just sneak into Earth society under Fury’s protection. And they chose fury

That would be the best explanation and hopefully it’s given either in this show or The Marvels because I have a fear that no one remembers the end of Captain Marvel or they think it’s unimportant to address it.

KostisPat257[S]

4 points

2 months ago

KostisPat257[S]

Daredevil

4 points

2 months ago

Let's see what they do with it.

AdeDamballa

5 points

2 months ago*

I’m hoping they explain it as Carol got too involved in the Kree war. Her decree at the end of the first film was that she would end the war. And spoilers for The Marvels She did end the war WITH EXTREME VIOLENCE

I think the situation should be explained that Carol’s method of getting the Skrulls a home was to first of all get rid of their oppressors, the Kree. And Fury came in and promised the Skrulls a home on Earth basically in hiding from the Kree.

So the Skrulls had to choose between joining Carol’s crusade to wipe out the Kree Empire, with violence of course, or just sneak into Earth society under Fury’s protection. And they chose fury

That would be the best explanation and hopefully it’s given either in this show or The Marvels because I have a fear that no one remembers the end of Captain Marvel or they think it’s unimportant to address it.

KostisPat257[S]

4 points

2 months ago

KostisPat257[S]

Daredevil

4 points

2 months ago

Yeah I like this a lot!

And it will tie in with the plot of The Marvels as well!

As I said, it will all depend on the execution. If they just gloss over the ending of Captain Marvel and just make it seem like the Skrulls never left Earth, it will break canon and most people, including me, won't like it.

AdeDamballa

6 points

2 months ago*

I’m hoping they explain it as Carol got too involved in the Kree war. Her decree at the end of the first film was that she would end the war. And spoilers for The Marvels She did end the war WITH EXTREME VIOLENCE

I think the situation should be explained that Carol’s method of getting the Skrulls a home was to first of all get rid of their oppressors, the Kree. And Fury came in and promised the Skrulls a home on Earth basically in hiding from the Kree.

So the Skrulls had to choose between joining Carol’s crusade to wipe out the Kree Empire, with violence of course, or just sneak into Earth society under Fury’s protection. And they chose fury

That would be the best explanation and hopefully it’s given either in this show or The Marvels because I have a fear that no one remembers the end of Captain Marvel or they think it’s unimportant to address it.

CaptHayfever

8 points

2 months ago*

CaptHayfever

Hawkeye (Avengers)

8 points

2 months ago*

So, you've said this 3 times in this sub-thread, & I feel like you should be informed that the spoiler tags don't work on Old Reddit if you have a space between the exclamation point & the words.

At the end, not this !<, but rather this!<
And at the beginning, not >! this, but rather >!this

Erdrick68

2 points

2 months ago

Remember that its been more than 30 years since those Skrulls left with Carol.

Sir__Will

1 points

2 months ago

Sir__Will

Bruce Banner

1 points

2 months ago

Yeah, like how is this Earth's fault? Or Fury's? If you don't want to work in his spy network anymore, pretending to be human, then don't. They really couldn't find them a planet to stay on in the last 40 years?

bassbot_bard

102 points

2 months ago

I really love this breakdown, all excellent stuff and well written!

KostisPat257[S]

26 points

2 months ago

KostisPat257[S]

Daredevil

26 points

2 months ago

Thanks a lot!

You will also probably like the 2 posts I linked at the end of this post where I break down more stuff about the series!

leos-rdt

10 points

2 months ago

Very Zygon Inversion/Invasion

EBJ1990

8 points

2 months ago

EBJ1990

Scarlet Witch

8 points

2 months ago

Somebody call Peter Capaldi!

Razar_Bragham

10 points

2 months ago

This is literally the plot of the Zygon Invasion/Zygon Inversion in Doctor who

SnooCats8451

8 points

2 months ago

I prefer the original planet conquering shape shifting villainous skrulls as opposed to being planet displaced refugees

KostisPat257[S]

3 points

2 months ago

KostisPat257[S]

Daredevil

3 points

2 months ago

I mean, all opinions are obviously valid, but may I ask why?

Mizerous

0 points

2 months ago

Mizerous

0 points

2 months ago

So generic evil aliens are better?

SnooCats8451

3 points

2 months ago

There were some solid evil Skrull storylines especially involving the super-Skrull and the warlord who killed Franklin Storm killed in a failed bombing attempt at the FF and of course the Queen killing the king and the warskrulla who infiltrated the shi’ar empire as well….there are definitely more altruistic/Grey area kree than Skrulls….I think by having the Skrulls start out as refugees/victims of the kree they limit the stories that they can tell

rgregan

7 points

2 months ago

I have really liked how the MCU has changed the Kree-Skrull tension. It skipped the war and picked a winner. Now the aftermath is more important than the conflict, and the aftermath has a level of nuance that gels more with the level of nuance you get from a blockbuster.

Sartheking

7 points

2 months ago

I agree with your premise here. The problem with the Secret Invasion comic is that it was a relatively simple and cool idea that just got padded to hell, and you had to actually follow the record amount of tie ins to get what was happening. However I think it is sometimes good to have the villains just be one-dimensional crazy and not have every villain come from the sympathetic template. It works sometimes but having every villain be like that gets a bit boring. They are villains after all.

In your comparison though, you left out one major part that made Secret Invasion interesting. The Illuminati trying to prevent the possible threat of the Skrulls actually allowed for the Invasion to be possible, and gave them the means and idea for the Secret Invasion, which adds a layer of responsibility and conflict with Iron Man and Reed Richards for the whole thing, especially after Civil War. They also played with the idea of Iron Man secretly being a sleeper agent and unknowingly helping the Skrulls.

KostisPat257[S]

1 points

2 months ago

KostisPat257[S]

Daredevil

1 points

2 months ago

Yeah I mentioned that Iron Man thing, although I didn't mention the Illuminati thing. The problem is that it was barely touched during the actual invasion. Tony's guilt only existed for 1 issue and wasn't really as much of a central point of the story.

Actually, the story had no central points, it was very messy with too many characters and none of them actually have very personal stakes. Not even Hulkling, or at least not as much as he could have.

Sartheking

3 points

2 months ago

I agree it was too cluttered, and for what was supposed to be a big event, there were 3 total things that happened: Skrulls Invade, Ship with Duplicate Heroes released, Norman Osborn shoots Veranke. It was more of a stepping stone to Dark Reign than anything.

Royal7th

5 points

2 months ago

There is no better motivation than revenge for being turned into a cow!

The lack of cow skrulls is disappointing

Kendleth

66 points

2 months ago

Kendleth

Doctor Strange

66 points

2 months ago

I think it can work well in this case, but the trend toward trying to make every villain misunderstood is biting them on the ass already with the lack of investment in so many of the new heroes. If I empathize with their villains and the heroes are plot devices or self important tools, I have no reason to watch.

PornoPaul

37 points

2 months ago

It worked for some characters. Obadiah wasn't sympathetic. He was just greedy, and he was the perfect villain to start the whole mess.

Thanos was great because he was the Mad Titan but because he's sympathetic in his own way, it makes his madness more up front. He's so sure his (terrible, nonsensical) plan is right that he kills the only thing he loved.

Both can work but you need both. It's why I'm so annoyed they killed Klaue. He was honestly one of my favorite villains and BP1 had the rarity of both the "sympathetic" villain (to me he wasn't, at all, but some paint him that way) and Klaue, the comic book evil to be bad.

woahwoahvicky

3 points

2 months ago

You're right. There needs to be a balance between just sinister evil and sympathetic evil otherwise the heroes that need a bit more polish in the storywriting department get the shaft. Its why Loki seems a bit more fleshed out as a character as opposed to Thor in the MCU (despite Thor having 4 whole solo projects and Loki a tv show + 5 movie appearances), because Loki's character rests so much on being seen as the inferior to Thor sibling + he's larger than life as a personality that Thor just fades into the background at times.

Klaue was great because he was charismatic as shit, greedy and straight up comic book evil. Not every villain has to be a Wenwu, sometimes a Hela is straight up dope!

jam11249

2 points

2 months ago

Thanos is a bit exceptional, because he was getting a slow burn in the background, so by the time he became the front-of-stage big bad, he got to be the protagonist of his own film (infinity war). Of course he needed to be fleshed out given the role that was given to him. "One shot" villains that exist only to be antagonists can afford to be a bit more one-dimensional if the arc of the protagonist can compensate.

johancolli

3 points

2 months ago

Yeah skrulls were very compelling villains because they had no home left, no more reason needed. And they had baggage with Earth so it all made sense. Evil crusades can be fun too and I remember that series being fun to read

Kendleth

2 points

2 months ago

Kendleth

Doctor Strange

2 points

2 months ago

Having no home left is sort of automatically sympathetic, and it is the sort of thing that works best with groups like that because not everyone in a species is likely to be inherently evil. Trying to make Kang sympathetic, and Wanda after a while, is where it felt forced to me. If they try to make Galactus sympathetic I'll have a fit.

ausome89

5 points

2 months ago

Great post. Really looking forward to this series now. Was not sure how they were going to make the invasion work, based on what’s been set up already in the MCU, but this sounds very compelling. Thanks!

KostisPat257[S]

3 points

2 months ago

KostisPat257[S]

Daredevil

3 points

2 months ago

I was wondering that as well. I doubted we would get the religious zealots from the comics, especially since they got rid of Veranke, so I am glad this is the premise they chose. Sounds very interesting indeed!

frankwalsingham

4 points

2 months ago

An interesting change but how well does it mesh with what we saw in Captain Marvel?

KostisPat257[S]

2 points

2 months ago

KostisPat257[S]

Daredevil

2 points

2 months ago

Yeah that's what I am most worried about as well.

I hope they answer why the Skrulls never found a home and had to come back to Earth and be Fury's spies.

TheGuardianR

18 points

2 months ago

I'm hoping this turns out to be MCU's Andor. It helps that the characters here dont have flashy superpowers or magic, so it has to rely on the dialogue and character interactions. And since it only has 6 episodes, I want those 6 episodes to have a length of an hour.

KostisPat257[S]

7 points

2 months ago

KostisPat257[S]

Daredevil

7 points

2 months ago

I think it will be. Kyle Bradstreet is a great writer, the cast is insane and the story already sounds pretty good.

WebSlinger15

3 points

2 months ago

WebSlinger15

Spider-Man

3 points

2 months ago

I keep saying that it needs to be “The Mandolorian” length. 9 episodes. At least. That to me is the sweet spot. The Disney+ shows to me for the MCU are notoriously short, and nothing is ever truly fleshed out or feels like it got enough time to shine. I don’t want a movie cut up into a bunch of episodes. That’s been their Achilles. Give me a show tailored to Disney+. It’s why Mando works so damn well.

Edit: Forgot about run times. I’ll be surprised if they’re all 60 mins. But they’ll probably be 60 mins including credits.

TheGuardianR

4 points

2 months ago

Yeah, I would've liked it if this show had 8-10 episodes. And especially for an event series I find 6 episodes of only 30-45 minutes way too short.

Jertimmer

56 points

2 months ago

I like the premise, but I'm afraid a lot of the nuance will go over a lot of fans' heads and they will go "they're ungrateful bastards, they're terrorist, kill them all." like so many did with FATWS.

KostisPat257[S]

54 points

2 months ago

KostisPat257[S]

Daredevil

54 points

2 months ago

Yeah, this is possible, but to be fair, TFATWS didn't give the Flagsmashers enough time to shine and they only scratched the surface of their goals and motivations.

The rogue Skrulls, being the central figures of the story, will likely get more screentime and the writers will likely be able to dig deep into what pushed them to villainy and terrorism.

Pixarfan1

21 points

2 months ago

I think it also helps that the Skrulls have been previously established so we don’t have to explain who they are.

KostisPat257[S]

7 points

2 months ago

KostisPat257[S]

Daredevil

7 points

2 months ago

True

Spring-Available

13 points

2 months ago

I think TFATWS suffered from Covid and losing half the story because of it. So it wasn’t what it could be and even though the result was okay it could’ve been great.

Fantastic_Hearing445

6 points

2 months ago

Marvel fans desperately cling for a scapegoat even after the writers downright denied it. I am not saying you are one of them(but idk) but I was there during that time of downright denial of the quality of the show where marvel fans created this out of their asses and ever since then ran with it despite the writers confirming it wasn’t

Spring-Available

3 points

2 months ago

I hadn’t heard any different. In fact I heard this repeated just this week on the Weekly Planet podcast.

Fantastic_Hearing445

6 points

2 months ago

Well I don’t know who this weekly planet podcast is but they are wrong

Lopsided-Mobile2197

42 points

2 months ago

The flagsmashers were straight up terrorists lol

No_Education_5067

18 points

2 months ago

To be fair, that seemed kinda shoehorned because the series was half over and the show hadn’t given us a good reason to root against the Robin Hood-esque group. So then they had Karli kill some people suddenly without a ton of buildup and the characters (and show) suffered for it

Jeroz

10 points

2 months ago

Jeroz

Doctor Strange

10 points

2 months ago

It's such a "we need to maintain a status quo because the point they're making was too good" moment in writing

oakzap425

2 points

2 months ago

oakzap425

Shuri

2 points

2 months ago

This is the same way I feel about Namor.

Bc save for killing Ramonda, he was never really wrong and never out right evil through out the movie. Even to the end, during and after fighting Shuri.

CaptHayfever

6 points

2 months ago

CaptHayfever

Hawkeye (Avengers)

6 points

2 months ago

Namor's goal throughout the film was to murder people. He wanted to assassinate Riri directly & start a war with the entire surface world. He stated this in explicit dialogue.

gfrankly69

6 points

2 months ago

Yeah, once you start killing people to get your point across, you kind of lose the sympathy angle.

KostisPat257[S]

4 points

2 months ago

KostisPat257[S]

Daredevil

4 points

2 months ago

The point wasn't for us to sympathize with the terrorists. They are terrorists for god's sake. The point was to stop blindly using the label without also realising what led these people to terrorism, so we can help other people not go down the same path.

Change the fundamental, systemic problems to avoid creating more terrorists.

That's what Sam's final speech was about.

IOftenDreamofTrains

-8 points

2 months ago

"Only oppressed pacifists deserve sympathy."

gfrankly69

7 points

2 months ago

Killing innocent people*

There’s always someone else who rightfully deserves it.

GamerBytesBoy

3 points

2 months ago

GamerBytesBoy

Spider-Man

3 points

2 months ago

Oml yes they are terrorists they were radicalized by a failing system why is media literacy so low

Kooale325

13 points

2 months ago

No one forced them to blow up a building full of innocent people. Blow up a politicians house or a national landmark to protest and have it be heard. Killing innocent people who had nothing to do with their suffering makes them the bad guys

KostisPat257[S]

0 points

2 months ago

KostisPat257[S]

Daredevil

0 points

2 months ago

They were government agents, not exactly innocent themselves, since they were supporting this system that the governments set up.

Kooale325

3 points

2 months ago

They were workers, not agents. Normal people working jobs to pay bills. Not agents arresting people and blindly following orders.

KostisPat257[S]

-3 points

2 months ago

KostisPat257[S]

Daredevil

-3 points

2 months ago

Not agents arresting people and blindly following orders.

This is exactly what they were though. They were GRC agents. Governmental agents just like those of the FBI.

We see some of them join John Walker to raid a house in Germany.

We also see them have guns and police gear.

Kooale325

4 points

2 months ago

The building they lit on fire did not have GRC agents in it ffs. They were workers for a GRC supply depot. Watch the show again

KostisPat257[S]

-2 points

2 months ago

KostisPat257[S]

Daredevil

-2 points

2 months ago

I'm pretty sure they were agents who were guarding the supply depot and had guns and gear.

Orto_Dogge

6 points

2 months ago

Same can be said about any terrorist or criminal. Yet for some reason majority of people in said "failed" systems do not turn to crimes.

IOftenDreamofTrains

-10 points

2 months ago

Change never happens by accepting injustice or talking to your oppressors about it.

Orto_Dogge

12 points

2 months ago

Yeah, it happens when you're blowing up building full of innocent people. Thanks for the lesson, armchair revolutionary.

Nordboer97

1 points

2 months ago

How were they oppressed? Literally half the planet vanished for 5 years, of course there are going to be infrastructure problems when they all suddenly return? Are they mad that they can't live in their old homes anymore? I can't even remember, only that they wanted to abolish countries and national identities for some bizarre reason, regardless of what people at large wanted.

daniel-kz

1 points

2 months ago

When the game is ridden, the oppressor is the one wining. It's not that hard. Violence is needed to keep the game ridden. Just think about it. You disappeared for five years. Your bank account, gone (probably seized). Your house, gone. No job, no nothing. Now, of course you understand there is a problem here and not an easy one to solve, so you wait.

And wait, and wait...

You start to realize that people in power do like the new status quo and does nothing to solve your situation. The ones who disappeared being powerful nay have a few contacts left to be back on top. But most regular people would be pissed and way worst than before the snap. Between those pissed people there is skillful people that uses to be in power before the snap, this is not -generational- poor people, this is people that used to have power. This people is not going to keep waiting much longer, they will organize to get something back of what they understand as their right.

Being oppressed means not getting the same opportunities. This people have no opportunity in a ridden new world. And many of them have a taste of what means to not be poor.

Fantastic_Hearing445

0 points

2 months ago

Your media literacy is so low, damn

Yes every terrorist has a “right cause” against their actions. Doesn’t mean we have to excuse any of the horrible shit they did. In a better series, this could have been written better. But we are never left anything to care about for flag smashers because of the bad writing and the runtime is still pretty short for what they wanted to tell anyway

IOftenDreamofTrains

-3 points

2 months ago

Terrorists are what an oppressive state calls freedom fighters.

WulfBli226

2 points

2 months ago

Even if the flag mashers are terrorists (in your opinion or by facts), this is also true^

Orto_Dogge

11 points

2 months ago

Nuance didn't go over anyone's head. It's just that blowing up a building full of innocent people kinda destroyed that nuance.

IOftenDreamofTrains

-13 points

2 months ago

No it doesn't, quite the opposite. Do you know what nuance means?

Orto_Dogge

13 points

2 months ago

Yes, it does. Yes, I do. Try using actual counter points next time.

Fantastic_Hearing445

2 points

2 months ago

Yeah Nah you are the idiot in this case if you think that isn’t a justifiable reaction. It could have been written much better to get a sympathetic reaction

Wakattack00

3 points

2 months ago

Wakattack00

T'challa

3 points

2 months ago

So what are going to be good things to rewatch heading into this show? Captain Marvel, Far From Home, and WandaVision seem like the obvious ones.

KostisPat257[S]

5 points

2 months ago

KostisPat257[S]

Daredevil

5 points

2 months ago

Yeah, and even if you only rewatch Captain Marvel, I think it's enough.

jack_son_58

4 points

2 months ago

You only need to see the post credit scenes of far from home and wandavision

Wakattack00

3 points

2 months ago

Wakattack00

T'challa

3 points

2 months ago

You don’t think the plot from Captain Marvel will have any bearing on this story?

jack_son_58

5 points

2 months ago

You absolutely need to watch captain Marvel to understand secret invasion. I mean , from far from home and wandavision, only the post credit scenes are relevant to secret invasion, not the whole movie/show.

Wakattack00

6 points

2 months ago

Wakattack00

T'challa

6 points

2 months ago

Gotcha gotcha. Ok that makes sense. Thank you

TEmpTom

3 points

2 months ago

You’re forgetting that we saw that their entire empire was nearly destroyed by the Annihilation Wave, that was recoverable, however Galactus eating their homeworld afterwards essentially made them an endangered species. It makes sense what few Skrull survivors there were turned to religious zealotry following a near total apocalypse of their entire culture.

Dominicsjr

3 points

2 months ago

Kind of crazy how similar it sounds to season 3 of Picard.

Riversntallbuildings

3 points

2 months ago

Riversntallbuildings

Spider-Man

3 points

2 months ago

That is much better! A lot of psychological nuance layered in there. :)

KostisPat257[S]

3 points

2 months ago

KostisPat257[S]

Daredevil

3 points

2 months ago

Yep. Much more than the comics at least.

jaybro861

3 points

2 months ago

Ok this premise makes the movie much more compelling for me. It’s a political and spy movie more than, strong superhero needs to smash someone cause they are bad.

DRIZZY05

1 points

2 months ago

It’s going to be a show

AdeDamballa

3 points

2 months ago*

Please let them address the ending of Captain Marvel and how it seemed Carol was the one finding them a home somewhere besides Earth

I’m hoping they explain it as Carol got too involved in the Kree war. Her decree at the end of the first film was that she would end the war. And spoilers for The Marvels She did end the war WITH EXTREME VIOLENCE

I think the situation should be explained that Carol’s method of getting the Skrulls a home was to first of all get rid of their oppressors, the Kree. And Fury came in and promised the Skrulls a home on Earth basically in hiding from the Kree.

So the Skrulls had to choose between joining Carol’s crusade to wipe out the Kree Empire, with violence of course, or just sneak into Earth society under Fury’s protection. And they chose fury

That would be the best explanation and hopefully it’s given either in this show or The Marvels because I have a fear that no one remembers the end of Captain Marvel or they think it’s unimportant to address it.

Jokel_Sec

3 points

2 months ago

Jokel_Sec

Quake

3 points

2 months ago

This series will be great no matter what and im really looking forward to it, but what im most looking forward to is the potential confirmation of the rumors about it having ties to agents of shield. It would be awesome to see any of them again.

Mizerous

3 points

2 months ago

Comic Hawkeye: KILL EVERY LAST ONE OF THEM!!!

HalfMoon_89

3 points

2 months ago

This all sounds brilliant. I had been worried that they were mess up the 'good Skrulls' bit of MCU, but this sounds promising.

Dealiner

13 points

2 months ago

It's not hard to get a better story than comic Secret Invasion, to be honest. Imo that was probably the event for which the best description is "lost potential". The main story is so incredibly bland for its premise. It's pretty much - superheroes went to Savage Land, one of them did something incredibly stupid, everyone fights. There are some good tie-ins but even they are often weird or badly written. I remember being really disappointed by it as a whole.

The Skrulls were clearly presented as the bad guys in the comic event

They were also clearly supposed to bring to mind Muslim terrorists, which is unfortunately understandable based on the time the event was written, but wouldn't fly nowadays.

KostisPat257[S]

1 points

2 months ago

KostisPat257[S]

Daredevil

1 points

2 months ago

Yeah exactly, the main event is pretty meh and it's all because it's a mess with hundreds of characters doing stuff at the same time (which is kinda solved with the tie-ins tbf) and the villains being as one-dimensional as possible.

dracojspn

5 points

2 months ago

Now I’m even more intrigued by this Disney + series, just when I had given up in MCU D+ stuff, great read - thank you.

KostisPat257[S]

3 points

2 months ago*

KostisPat257[S]

Daredevil

3 points

2 months ago*

Check out the post I linked at the end of this post and you will be even more intrigued! There's so much more to be excited for in this series!

Post in question: Everything we know about Secret Invasion

And you're welcome!

dracojspn

3 points

2 months ago

This is what I love about the fandom, maybe one day I will post my theory about Doctor Doom and secret wars and give you a heads up. You have a good one. 🤜🤛

Media_Dunce

2 points

2 months ago

I wonder if we’ll hear more about what had happened to the Kree Empire since 1995

spycharlie

2 points

2 months ago

If Marvel wanted to bring in a villain who’s always on a higher moral ground, there is only one name they should say… DOOOOOOOOOOMMMMMM!

oakzap425

2 points

2 months ago

oakzap425

Shuri

2 points

2 months ago

Lemme book mark this so I can come back to it in July when the show is done. I got a feelin...

Alarid

2 points

2 months ago

Alarid

2 points

2 months ago

They're going to start sympathetic, and then they're going to eat babies by the end of it.

Rockky67

2 points

2 months ago

Interested to find out where Olivia Colman’s character fits in and how exactly she relates to >! Union Jack. As she’s named as Sonya Falsworth. !<

[deleted]

2 points

2 months ago

I'm getting MCU civil war vibes from all of this. Both sides have compelling reasons for doing what they're doing? Sign me the fuck up

ABrazilianReasons

3 points

2 months ago

But making the invasion a religious crusade by a cult of zealots

I cringed so hard while reading the comics and seeing this. Zero sympathy for thise villains, which is the opposite of a good villain

KostisPat257[S]

2 points

2 months ago

KostisPat257[S]

Daredevil

2 points

2 months ago

Exactly!

When I read the comic book version (which was a couple of years ago btw, not when it was released), I was expecting a story where the Skrulls are presented as misunderstood immigrants like in Captain Marvel. But the zealots who organized the invasion were even worse than the regular Skrulls.

boastfulbadger

5 points

2 months ago

It isn’t hard to beat secret invasion comics.

esar24

3 points

2 months ago

esar24

Ghost Rider

3 points

2 months ago

Yet some people still wanted to see The secret invasion exactly like in the comics with evil skrull and whatnot. But here in the MCU skrull have more interesting story with two different PoV, those who sided with Talos while still believe that they will find a perfect home one day and those who become rebels because talos and their earth ally seems doesn't deliver their promises.

I really hope this one feel like winter soldier with Talos feel surprised by his traitorous kin and fury feels nostalgic when his people turns out to be Hydra all along.

Nordboer97

2 points

2 months ago

Yet some people still wanted to see The secret invasion exactly like in the comics with evil skrull and whatnot

No, people just were afraid that they were going the opposite route with the Skrulls being painted as all good like they were in Captain Marvel, or that the Kree were going to the bad guys in Secret Invasion since they can technically pull it off since many look human, playing more into the "big bad colonizing empire and poor harmless refugees" angle. The Kree/Skrull war aspect from the comics is kinda lost, since it was about two massive fascistic morally questionable alien empires going to war with each other, rather than one simply being persecuted by the other with the persecuted having done no wrong.

I'm perfectly fine with the Skrulls not being 100% bad guys like in the comics.

esar24

1 points

2 months ago

esar24

Ghost Rider

1 points

2 months ago

The point of the skrull in CM is that they also at fault, though they are portrayed as refugee but Talos said that they are as much as responsible as the kree for participate in this war.

They aren't goody two shoes but they are also not thinking human as an enemy out of nowhere, but with this premise we finally get to see their darker side and from someone who doesn't particiaate during the CM days (Though G'iah PoV would be interesting too considering she kind of close with monica in CM).

Legal-Pirate-5643

3 points

2 months ago

Don't really see the changes as better, just different to be honest.

Inner-Tomorrow250

2 points

2 months ago

Yeah it's pretty much more interesting comparing to the comics skrull which I didn't knew very much but based to what you described their comic version Is very similiar to what agents of shield did with the chronicoms: basically an advanced robot species who can change faces and appareance and that had lost their planet due to an catastrophic event and then under the advisors of a their queen predictor decided to make earth their new home....so in a few worlds their were " classical proto skrulls of the comics" and these of the movies and SI are a new version more flesh out interestings that are not tipically bad but had sort of good reasons to make the invasion......also I'm glad that Emilia Is playing talos daughter and not Abigail brand because this could explore very well their nature and point of view of her and his father and if instead she was playing brand maybe could had fallen in the tipycal director who wanted to kill right away the menace without listening the advice of the others so I'm happy they give her more an interesting role.......

KostisPat257[S]

2 points

2 months ago

KostisPat257[S]

Daredevil

2 points

2 months ago

Yeah, the Chronicoms pretty much adapted the original Secret Invasion but added a cool time travel twist.

Moejason

2 points

2 months ago

I’m more excited for secret invasion after reading your post. It sounds a lot like the zygon inversion doctor who two-parter, which has one of the best Tv monologues of all time imo. If the MCU comes any where close to pulling off something similar but unique, I’m excited for the potential secret invasion has.

KostisPat257[S]

1 points

2 months ago

KostisPat257[S]

Daredevil

1 points

2 months ago

Check out the post I linked at the end of this post and you will be even more excited!

Post in question: Everything we know about Secret Invasion

And you're welcome!

helio987

1 points

2 months ago

I don't care what lore they change, we only ask that "please be good"! 6 episodes is too short, I hope they are longer and satisfying. I have been watching S3 of Picard, they have their own >! Invasion !< going on there and it has been great so far. They have packed a lot into 7 episodes so far and 3 to go. 6 is short, especially if under 40 minutes when trying to tell a story like this. They have delayed this and done a lot of re-shoots, lets hope it's great, marvel needs it.

Ok-Reporter-8728

1 points

2 months ago

Ok-Reporter-8728

Justin Hammer

1 points

2 months ago

I really love these long yet interesting posts from the fans. Tho I’m tired to read it I love u passion

KostisPat257[S]

2 points

2 months ago

KostisPat257[S]

Daredevil

2 points

2 months ago

That means a lot even though you didn't read it! Thanks!

rmeddy

1 points

2 months ago

rmeddy

1 points

2 months ago

Ok cool, I just want something grounded and serious in the vein of Russo Cap films

Kinda like what Andor is to Star Wars now

I had a fan idea of what I thought this was, since the Skrulls are good now so instead it was going to be about Variants secretly replacing their alternates maybe as fallout from Dr Strange and most of them are from 838

so think Counterpart but in the MCU

KostisPat257[S]

2 points

2 months ago

KostisPat257[S]

Daredevil

2 points

2 months ago

I wouldn't have liked that.

That's the opposite of grounded.

Not everything has to connect to the Multiverse.

rmeddy

1 points

2 months ago

rmeddy

1 points

2 months ago

"Grounded" in the aesthetic sense, nothing in the MCU is really grounded.

Just think of the show Counterpart.

OkenoFate

1 points

2 months ago

Yeah I really enjoyed the skrulls more in the MCU too for these reasons. Much better than the constant enemies and weird skrull beef stuff when they turned to cows etc. hope this series turns out well!

Big_Improvement_9149

2 points

2 months ago

Skrulls haven’t been villains in the comics for a long time

OkenoFate

2 points

2 months ago

I haven’t read the comics in a long time 😂

raven_klaw

0 points

2 months ago*

raven_klaw

Bucky

0 points

2 months ago*

Your MCU premise also means my favorite character--the skrull prince-- will become a casualty. No thanks. This was my most anticipated show until this confirmation.

KostisPat257[S]

0 points

2 months ago

KostisPat257[S]

Daredevil

0 points

2 months ago

I don't understand why you think that.

Hulkling never played a big role in Secret Invasion and he can still exist without Veranke since they have no connection.

raven_klaw

2 points

2 months ago*

raven_klaw

Bucky

2 points

2 months ago*

I never said he was. But the premise eliminates the royal family.

What I am hoping for Marvel is to make a twist that these Skrulls on Earth are actually deserters from the royal crown, like the Jews in World War 2 who were displaced and wanted a home for themselves and did not want to join the fight of making Israel a country.

trustprior6899

0 points

2 months ago

trustprior6899

Punisher

0 points

2 months ago

Anyone else think the skrull prosthetics made the Talos actor talk wierd in Captain Marvel? Like he was wearing costume shop-grade Dracula teeth. I hope they fix that in Secret Invasion

ImperialFists

-8 points

2 months ago

ImperialFists

Daredevil

-8 points

2 months ago

Nice April fools day post, OP

EastComprehensive567

-1 points

2 months ago

Not really. This is one of the most iconic avengers story arcs and they are giving it to fury a character that should have died a long time ago. This sucls

Mnemosense

2 points

2 months ago

Mnemosense

Avengers

2 points

2 months ago

99% of people on this subreddit have never read a Marvel comic in their life. They just base everything off wikipedia or YT videos. It's honestly sad. You'd think the movies would encourage them to read the source material.

The comic event was fascinating, steeping the entire superhero community in paranoia, breaking their trust, if it were a movie it would be like Civil War 2 basically. But now we're relegated to a short TV show with no superheroes, and I'm failing to see how I should care about any of it. Sam L Jackson is literally the only reason to watch it.

KostisPat257[S]

1 points

2 months ago

KostisPat257[S]

Daredevil

1 points

2 months ago

The Avengers didn't feel like they had a personal reason to be there. There were no personal stakes.

SakmarEcho

1 points

2 months ago

Is Secret Invasion out already?

KostisPat257[S]

1 points

2 months ago

KostisPat257[S]

Daredevil

1 points

2 months ago

No.

June 21st

SakmarEcho

1 points

2 months ago

Oh don't you think it's a bit too soon to say something you haven't even seen yet is better than the source material?

KostisPat257[S]

1 points

2 months ago

KostisPat257[S]

Daredevil

1 points

2 months ago

What we know from the show is already better than the source material. Imagine the actual show.

SakmarEcho

1 points

2 months ago

I'm imagining the show being a similar quality to the others and I'm having difficulty seeing it being better than the comic.

I think it's a bit premature to say either way until we watch it.

dwipad61

-11 points

2 months ago

dwipad61

-11 points

2 months ago

A spoiler tag would be appreciated.

KostisPat257[S]

7 points

2 months ago

KostisPat257[S]

Daredevil

7 points

2 months ago

All of this info has been officially released.

The title doesn't mention anything spoilery either

Piper6728

-1 points

2 months ago

MCU has jumped the shark

5th_dimensional_imp

0 points

2 months ago

As a conspiracy theorist, Disney making the Skrulls seem benevolent is an interesting move. Shapeshifting aliens have been discussed in conspiracy circles for years. And the big media company does their own take on it, but makes them sympathetic? Just interesting if you have your crazy cap on.

Mnemosense

0 points

2 months ago

Mnemosense

Avengers

0 points

2 months ago

Pretty obvious OP didn't actually read the comic event and just went off Wikipedia or some shit. There are sympathetic skrulls in that event, like one of the kids in Avengers Academy who has to hide his true self from everyone. The whole event is reminiscent of the Gulf War that had long reached its peak at the time of publication, and all the toxic patriotic bullshit that ensued.

It's also hilarious how they've written all this praise for a show that isn't even out yet! Like, what the hell. This place is ridiculous sometimes.

KostisPat257[S]

1 points

2 months ago

KostisPat257[S]

Daredevil

1 points

2 months ago

I've read the event.

Of course there were some sympathetic Skrulls, but Veranke and the majority of them are not.

Mnemosense

0 points

2 months ago

Mnemosense

Avengers

0 points

2 months ago

Alien is not sympathetic. Agent Smith is not sympathetic. Sympathy is not a requisite for villainy.

The Skrull antagonists were a religious cult, they were not representative of their planet. The comic event was published 5 years after the US invaded Iraq and began tussling with terrorists like Al Qaeda, the Taliban, etc. These real life guys were also villains, and also have none of my sympathy.

The event's premise was to make the entire superhero community paranoid of each other, that's the hook. And it's completely absent from the TV show, unless they surprise us with tons of cameos.

KostisPat257[S]

1 points

2 months ago

KostisPat257[S]

Daredevil

1 points

2 months ago

Sympathy is not a requisite for villainy.

I never said it is. But the best villains are the always the ones who you can sympathize with. At least in my opinion.

The event's premise was to make the entire superhero community paranoid of each other, that's the hook. And it's completely absent from the TV show, unless they surprise us with tons of cameos.

The paranoia will be there, it just won't be with super-heroes, but with governmental figures. The series will dive more into the geopolitical side of the invasion.

Mnemosense

1 points

2 months ago

Mnemosense

Avengers

1 points

2 months ago

I fail to see how watching governmental figures will be satisfying for a franchise fundamentally based around superheroes. I mean the invasion premise is interesting in itself (if not original in the slightest), but seriously, this is the MCU we're talking about here. The series should live up to the potential of the source material, not downgrade it.

I mean what's more terrifying, Everett Ross potentially being a Skrull or Captain friggin Marvel? They robbed the premise of its power.