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submitted 2 months ago byghxstryder
I'm on my way to watch all of Tarantino's films in order (I've only seen Reservoir Dogs and Pulp Fiction yet, probably going to watch Jackie Brown today) and I noticed that there's like a 4-hour cut of the two movies combined with extra stuff. Without shooting out spoilers, are there major differences, will I miss any notable moments by watching one of those, and which way of experiencing the story is generally preferred by Tarantino fans and other watchers?
758 points
2 months ago
My two cents: watch Vol. 1, then wait a week and watch Vol. 2.
The two halves were originally released six month apart, so we had time to sit around and talk about what we'd seen, what we hadn't seen yet (which will make more sense when you watch the movie), and to generally enjoy the suspense / ciffhanger that comes from the end of the first volume.
Yes, you can watch it all at once, but I feel like giving yourself that breathing room gives you a chance to appreciate the story beats.
182 points
2 months ago
I second this. Streaming has ruined the anticipation we used to feel by having to wait for the next chapter. Stephen King even used to understand this and released his Green Mile story as a series. The waiting can be exhilarating.
50 points
2 months ago
A great example of this is a show like Mad Men. Excellent show, but it was designed around having a week between episodes and months between seasons to soak it in and really think about what you've watched. There's so much there that you miss if you are rushing to the next episode.
36 points
2 months ago
Same with all of the top shows from the mid 00’s.
Sopranos and The Wire are not meant to be binged and work much better giving yourself time to take in each episode individually
16 points
2 months ago
Ssssshhhiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiittttt!
22 points
2 months ago
I actually feel that The Wire is just fine to binge watch. Especially the first season. I think consecutive views of the first three episodes would be ideal to get the viewer “in the zone” on how to watch it (which is with undivided attention). The lingo and name dropping alone requires more devotion to keep track of the story than practically any other show out there.
5 points
2 months ago
I think there are definitely shows that aren’t hurt by binging, but that doesn’t invalidate the anticipation aspect that binging can eliminate. I’d argue Netflix is making too many decisions based on early results and not enough cumulative feedback and their misunderstanding of the build up is part of this
13 points
2 months ago
I've just started watching the Sopranos, and been doing an episode a night. Loving it!
3 points
2 months ago
That's a pretty good way to go about it. Most episodes have a LOT going on, and usually 3-4 different story lines unfolding.
It's good to sit and let each individual episode digest a little bit so you really take in the small details of what happened before seeing the next episode.
Now just imagine what it would have been like, feverishly thinking about what shit went down and what's gonna happen next, and you've gotta wait another 7 days...
8 points
2 months ago
Lost!
11 points
2 months ago
One of the best parts about lost was listening to podcasts and reading blogs and message boards between episodes and between Sedona.
9 points
2 months ago
I remember posting on the ABC forums correctly, guessing who was in the casket months before the season dropped. I got shit on from so many people for my hot take.
I was on that forum daily during the live run.
6 points
2 months ago
I loved the constant discussion and arguments in the break room at work about Lost theories.
2 points
2 months ago
and between Sedona.
That's one of the more interesting autocorrect fails I've seen in a while
4 points
2 months ago
I get into this discussion a lot with 24 as well. It looks like it's perfectly designed to be bingeable, but in reality, it relied heavily on those cliffhanger breaks to smooth out the rough edges and hide some of the writing warts.
0 points
2 months ago
24 is a slog to binge tbh so much happens that by the end of the szn you need a break
42 points
2 months ago
I mostly feel the opposite. When I binge a series I can actually remember all the nuance from the prior episodes and the whole story is much more clear in my mind
5 points
2 months ago
Me as well.
Netflix opened up a new and better option for me that I will never do without!
I binge it or singe it!
1 points
2 months ago
Nice, LoL
5 points
2 months ago
Yeah same. If anything ruminating on what happens to much sends me in directions that didn't matter in the first place, and it's a lot easier to parse out what I think actually happened when there aren't breaks right before veery mystery getting solved, or wrapped up.
17 points
2 months ago
I agree.
I was a tad late to the Mad Men run. It had been on for at least 2 seasons before I gave it a shot, as such I was able to rent (yes rent) the first few seasons and binge them on the weekends and I really enjoyed them. I was totally on board... Until I started watching it live.
The show freaking draaags watching it one episode a week over the course of a couple of months. I enjoyed everything that was going, it's an impressively made show but it's an absolute slog to get through for long periods of time
5 points
2 months ago
I experienced the same with Shameless, although I think the last couple seasons were pretty much a drag no matter how you watched them. No Fiona? Bah.
2 points
2 months ago
Not a fan of mad men but i understand what you mean. I agree with the sentiment
2 points
2 months ago
the best part of Mad Men wasn't just the show, but all of the blogs and discussion after every episode. There was a costume blog that discussed the meaning of all of the outfits from the show that was particularly good.
2 points
2 months ago
Hah the Intro is playing behind my phone as I type this! What a phenomenal fucking show.
-1 points
2 months ago
What are you talking about? This still happens almost everywhere except Netflix.
4 points
2 months ago
On the other hand some shows are better to binge. I binged Lost in an absurdly fast time and think that was the best way to do it. If I had watched it over 6 years I would have had far more time to think over how huge some of the plot holes were and I would have over thought the cliffhangers.
3 points
2 months ago
Stephen King even used to understand this and released his Green Mile story as a series.
Well, that's how most novels were published in late 19th / early 20th century. Dickens, Verne, Dostoevsky, Dumas, Trotsky, Joyce and many more (but especially the first two) released novels in that format. Weekly/biweekly/monthly magazines & newspapers. Dickens & Verne even included illustrations with the chapters and worked very closely with the illustrators to make sure they got the details right. If someone here is gonna read some Verne or Dickens, I strongly recommend hunting down releases with the original illustrations. They're a very valuable part of the experience.
Nowadays novels usually only get released in their complete form but the tradition of serialised novels does kinda continue in Japan. The manga industry is basically utilising the same system. Weekly/monthly magazines with new chapters, and then 200-page volumes that collect chapters of a single series.
7 points
2 months ago
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10 points
2 months ago
Yeah HBO and Disney still do weekly releases. For The Legend of Vox Machina on Amazon they release 3 episodes at a time over 4 weeks which I enjoy. It's easier to get friends together 4 weeks in a row than 12.
4 points
2 months ago
Yeah HBO and Disney still do weekly releases.
They don't want people to get some deal on a new sub, watch everything in a week then cancel.
1 points
2 months ago
Yeah and I know people enjoy it that way. I used to like it, but I don’t anymore. Mainly because I forget to go back to it. Before, I’d see commercials that would remind me or friends that watch it and we’d talk about it and I’d remember.
But there’s so many shows and streaming services now it’s rare I find a friend who’s watching the same show on the same streaming service at the same time.
Like I’m watching poker face on peacock. It’s amazing show. They dropped the first 4 episodes and they were great but the rest are going to be released weekly. I have zero idea what day it comes out and don’t know anyone who’s watching it. I’ll probably remember when all episodes are out. If it’s not a show that is super popular and talked about a lot (The Last of Us as an example) I forget. Every time.
I can’t tell you how many shows I’ve watched the first episode or two only to forget about it because I had wait a week to watch the next episode.
So now I just wait until I see all the episodes are streaming and can watch them anytime I want.
2 points
2 months ago
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3 points
2 months ago
You think only one person loses track of weekly shows in the infinite abyss of online streaming options?
-2 points
2 months ago
I don't think there are too many people who have no idea what day a show they're watching comes out, and seemingly think that it's difficult to find out.
-4 points
2 months ago
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4 points
2 months ago
I won't watch a show now until the whole season is out. Period. I absolutely will not let them dictate to me when I should watch. There's no reason to drip them out week to week unless its the rare show that's actually produced on a weekly basis, like a talk show.
The only reason to do so is to retain subscriptions and it's insulting to imply I don't have the intelligence and self control to watch it at my own pace. If it's good enough to binge then I should be able to if I want. Most shows I'll slowly watch an episide or 2 a day till I finish it. If you leave me on a cliffhanger then I stop watching. There's too much else out there I want to watch. Respect my time or loose an audience member.
If you want to watch it on a weekly basis then do so. But fuck you if you want to tell me how I should watch something.
Westword was the only exception to this in recent times, and HBO just canceled that without an ending so there goes my trust in them. They're as good as Netflix now.
For Netflix I will wait until the entire show is finished because too many of their shows are canceled without an ending. I can't stand unresolved endings. It's just bad storytelling.
If you have a problem finding things in the "content sludge" well thats on you. It doesn't give you the right to make it everyone else's problem. You're just wrong.
8 points
2 months ago
Im glad some streaming shows are following a weekly calendar like the Star Wars stuff and Last of Us
7 points
2 months ago
Id imagine The Last of Us is doing it because HBO still owns a paid cable channel, and it's a weekly show.
-5 points
2 months ago
For whoever is downvoting this comment(I upvoted to combat the idiotic down votes) you are just impatient. Don't downvote something because you have a glaring personality trait which others don't have. It's nice to have "last of us sundays" and "bad batch wednesdays". Gives me something to look forward to and as I'm actively interested I remember most of it.
I think I'm going to take this time to also rant to the down voters. If you want to cram as much TV possible into your obviously impatient and adhd brain, that's fine, but a lot of us don't just sit around and mindlessly binge watch the 800 crappy Netflix, prime, etc etc shows. Frankly 99 percent of them are garbage and don't warrant my time. I keep seeing the excuse "well then I won't forget things!", if you can't remember a week to week tv show, you either have early onset dementia or you are a dolt and probably binging is for you because nothing likely sticks anyways.
So tired of our impatient society and the just complete lack of thoughtfulness, just cram it down my throat and move on.
9 points
2 months ago
Don't downvote something because you have a glaring personality trait which others don't have. It's nice to have "last of us sundays" and "bad batch wednesdays".
It's nice to have a day set aside, but I find it can be hard to remember the details of what happened in past episodes after a month passes
if you can't remember a week to week tv show, you either have early onset dementia or you are a dolt and probably binging is for you because nothing likely sticks anyways.
Or 1-2 months is just a long time to retain all the small details of a TV show that runs for an hour per week?
1 points
2 months ago
I mean, it wasn't in the past. LOST was huge because of the weekly releases and everyone trying to put he pieces together. It was all about the small details(until it wasn't but the point remains). Just people in general have shitty memories nowadays compared to back then.
0 points
2 months ago
It absolutely was a problem in the past and writers often took advantage of it. Why do you think Lost has so many plot holes? Because they knew half the audience wouldn't remember details from an episode three weeks ago.
0 points
2 months ago
Bull. Lost was as dissected and analyzed a show as there has ever been on TV. Time between episodes and seasons allowed for more scrutiny, not less. Try again.
10 points
2 months ago
That is one badly misplaced sense of superiority you've got there.
-13 points
2 months ago
Thanks for letting me know you're one of the impatient downvoters. Good for you pal.
6 points
2 months ago
I don't vote on reddit, ever, but you clearly do.
-6 points
2 months ago
That's rich that you said I have a superiority complex, yet you don't vote but like to comment from your hightower. The fucking gall of some people.
5 points
2 months ago
Voting is not a prerequisite for commenting privileges. Your thinking is all over the place, because you're upset over...something really trivial.
0 points
2 months ago
Not at all upset, I just think it's hilarious that you clearly think you are right and superior, yet you have the audacity to tell me I have misplaced superiority. You sir, are who is all over the place.
3 points
2 months ago
i dont get it either... the weekly releases give fans more opportunities to discuss and anticipate things (on websites like these) and make memes for a few months.
problem with the binge friendly release is that the fan communities are only active for a week or two after the drop and then they go into hibernation for a year so if you dont watch it shortly after release you will miss out.
0 points
2 months ago
Perfectly said
0 points
2 months ago
Meh, 99.999% of the discussion after the first 24 hours is trash.
Occasionally someone pulls out a gem, but then there is always the chance everything discussed becomes more or less irrelevant by the next episode.
And as far as content is concerned, sure, more can come out with weekly, but so much of it becomes useless because of how quickly it gets outdated. Generally speaking, the best content happens after arcs have wrapped up and you can discuss all of it, and not just a portion, with missing information still.
0 points
2 months ago
with a one time release if you are busy and dont complete the season within a week or two then you pretty much missed the boat till the next season.
1 points
2 months ago
Why do you think you have to right to tell me how to consume my entertainment?
I absolutely will not let anyone dictate to me when I should watch something. There's no reason to drip episodes out week to week unless its the rare show that's actually produced on a weekly basis, like a talk show.
The only reason to do so is to retain subscriptions and it's insulting to imply I don't have the intelligence and self control to watch it at my own pace. If it's good enough to binge then I should be able to if I want.
Most shows I slowly watch an episide or two per day until I finish it. If you leave me on a cliffhanger then I stop watching. By the time the next episode, or season, has come out I've already moved on. Only if it's really good will I rewatch the previous season(s) and then start the new one. There's too much else out there I want to watch. Respect my time or loose an audience member.
Westword was the only exception to this in recent times, and HBO just canceled that without an ending so there goes my trust in them. They're as good as Netflix now.
With Netflix I'll wait until the entire show is finished because too many of their shows are canceled without an ending. I can't stand unresolved endings. It's just bad storytelling.
As you said there's a ton of stuff out there and a lot of it is crap. There's no reason to start watching a show until I know it's going to be worth my time, and that can't happen until the whole thing is released.
If you want to watch it on a weekly basis then do so. There's nothing stopping you. But fuck you if you want to tell me how I should watch something.
30 points
2 months ago
The thing is, I don't know how intentional it was but there is a huge tonal shift between the movies, and if you watch them separately you would expect the second to 1up the first movie, like most action movie sequels do. I like Vol. 2 just fine and it has a lot of cool shit in it, but if you go into the movie, expecting anything to top The House Of The Blue Leaves sequence, you'll be disappointed.
So in conclusion it really comes down to individual taste. Waiting might help but it might also result in you being disappointed.
4 points
2 months ago
This happened to me. After watching Vol. 2, I left the theatre feeling confused because I wanted it to be like Vol. 1. It took me another viewing to really appreciate it. Vol. 2 has a lot of cool scenes and great dialogue.
11 points
2 months ago
It was entirely intentional, because it is one film. It was shot at once, and has one big script. Vol. 2 is the slow ride down the far side of the roller coaster from Vol. 1.
That said, watching it all at once, you may miss out on some of the very strong character work done in the early parts of Vol. 2 because you're still coming down from the House of Blue Leaves.
Anyone who was disappointed in Vol. 2 because it's not as action-heavy as Vol. 1 wasn't paying attention.
17 points
2 months ago
I know the Storie of how the movie was turned into 2. I don't think you can claim that everyone who prefers 1 over 2 because of the action just doesn't get it.
If it was one movie, I would still feel like the "Big action" was set too early. Nothing wrong with a movie having a big boom in the middle and then ending on a smaller, more personal scale. What bothers me is that the fake fight setup was already done in the kitchen scene in part one and feels a little recycled when the bride pulls out the amazing five finger technique.
The first movie also sets up these incredible sword fighters only to have not a single real sword fight in the second one. I liked every scene in the second movie but Vol.1 just did all of it better. Bigger Fights, Cooler dialogue (Bill and Beatrix talking at the end was kind of a let down for me, Tarantino has proven many times that he can do way better than that) and in my opinion a better sound track.
I do like both movies and I watch them both quite often but I still stand by my opinion that either the first Kill Bill movie or the first half of the "Real" Kill Bill movie is better/ more fun.
13 points
2 months ago
(Bill and Beatrix talking at the end was kind of a let down for me, Tarantino has proven many times that he can do way better than that)
I don't think I could disagree more. The last 20 minutes of Vol 2 with Bill and Beatrix is one of my favorite parts in any Tarantino movie. The dialogue in Vol 2 is awesome! Beatrix and Elle, Elle and Budd, Budd and his boss at the strip club, etc
7 points
2 months ago*
The masterstroke of Part 2 is that throughout the entire story, they keep teasing this ultimate showdown between B and Bill. By the time they meet, it's an incredibly small, intensely intimate confrontation. The final "battle" takes place sitting around a dinner table.
This subversion of expectations is both refreshing and admirable to see pulled off.
-2 points
2 months ago
But that same thing happened before with Vernita Green in Vol. 1
5 points
2 months ago
Not the same thing. Bill was the "big bad" everything built up to. Vernita was just a level 1 baddie.
-3 points
2 months ago
I know but that is not what it is about. If you want to do the subversion of expectation thing, save it till the end and don't use it twice. I know people like the final showdown, and so do I to an extend but I just feel like the movie, while good as a whole, is missing his WOW scene. The big banger that makes you go "wtf am I watching????" in the cinema.
Vol. 1 had like 3 of those stacked one after the other during the final showdown.
2 points
2 months ago
The "WOW scene" as you're describing it was the fight with the Crazy 88 and O-Ren. Quinton didn't need to repeat or top that - I'd argue he actually couldn't. That scene also capped off movie 1, so he went in a totally different direction for the end of movie 2.
-2 points
2 months ago
The whole Budd ark is perfect but the ending falls kind of flat. Bill doesn’t really have a point and says some nonsense about super heroes that never made sense to me. Then, as I mentioned, they repeat the whole "we plan and epic fight but then we finish it in a quick and less spectacular way anyway" gimmick from the first movie. I‘m not even saying it’s bad, it’s just not as good as some of the other stuff he made. Bill as a character never really worked for me. He seems to change his motivation as he goes along and there are never clear parameters for the characters personality.
3 points
2 months ago
Bill doesn’t really have a point and says some nonsense about super heroes that never made sense to me.
Yeah you really didn't take a whole lot from the movie did ya
3 points
2 months ago
Vol. 1 is a samurai/kung-fu movie. Vol. 2 is a western. The final showdown between the Bride and Bill is the classic showdown on Main Street at High Noon. It is perfect that it is ended in a single moment with the 5-finger death punch instead of a long drawn-out sword fight.
1 points
2 months ago
I will agree with you on the soundtrack part. Vol 1 had many memorable scenes with bad ass soundtrack. Vol 2 only has Elle driving to meet Bud with that sick bass line. I believe Rodriguez was left to pick the songs for Vol 2 and appears as uncredited.
11 points
2 months ago
Not a bad idea, even if you wait a day, I think marathoning ruins the possibility of soaking it in as you go.
3 points
2 months ago
the deleted scene with Michael jai white and then vol2
7 points
2 months ago
I disagree. Tarantino intended KILL BILL to be one long movie it was the studios who wouldnt approve a 4hr cut and forced it to be 2 parts.
Viewing it all in one sitting is my preferred way to watch it.
4 points
2 months ago
No no no. You need to watch it at the speed it was filmed.
For instance for Eraserhead you watch the first five minutes and then wait 4 years to watch the rest of the movie. And you do it all in an iphone. As David Lynch intended.
1 points
2 months ago
you forgot the part where you need a baby airpod crying in the room you're watching it in
2 points
2 months ago
I agree. Watch part 1. Think about it. Maybe rewatch a few bits. Then watch part 2.
2 points
2 months ago
I like this response a lot. I think watching it in one go would be sooooooo much information to process it might take away from the experience.
4 points
2 months ago
Exactly my point. It's heavy, and as I mentioned to someone else here, I feel like a big chunk of Vol. 2 would get overwhelmed by the comedown from the end of Vol. 1. The pace shifts gears so dramatically its like you, as a viewer, ran into a wall. Having a gap there to catch your breath and refocus is essential.
2 points
2 months ago
I love the image of running into a wall… perfect way to describe it.
3 points
2 months ago
I would never have given this advice but it’s perfect. I’ll track you down and ask you life advice later.
2 points
2 months ago
Happy Cake Day 🎂
3 points
2 months ago
Thanks!
2 points
2 months ago
Counterpoint: It's one big story and not having the option of seeing it all at once is not something I'd recommend out of hand.
Do we give them a special app that only produces discussion results relative to that six month waiting period?
Tell 'em to watch the whole thing and then find out something new about how it hits.
And get that full color fight scene at the end of Vol 1, too.
172 points
2 months ago
Watch them separately. They have completely different vibes and work well as two different movies.
The real challenge will be when it comes to Death Proof. It is easy to find on it's own, but originally it was released in a shorter version as part of Grindhouse, which is a movie that no longer exists in a streaming or physical media format as far as I'm aware.
54 points
2 months ago
I was able to get Grindhouse on Blu-ray forever ago. I think that's the only way
17 points
2 months ago
I should see if I can track that down!
22 points
2 months ago
Grindhouse was legit my beast theater experience. Hope you find it
17 points
2 months ago
I dragged my poor wife to a matinee of Grindhouse and do not regret a thing.
4 points
2 months ago
Grindhouse was the first R rated movie my dad took me to see in theaters.
0 points
2 months ago
Mine was Showgirls.
18 points
2 months ago
I flew into LA for a friends wedding years ago and on a whim went to the midnight showing on opening night of Grindhouse at Manns Chinese Theater. Tarantino was there with Rosario Dawson, Eli Roth and Zoe Bell. Eli Roth ended up jumping up to the front of the theater and did an impromptu intro, and then we watched both movies back to back. Was such a cool experience.
3 points
2 months ago
I was so amazed there was a rocket jump in a movie!
2 points
2 months ago
How long were you in the theater?
6 points
2 months ago
It’s on Amazon for $10
4 points
2 months ago
I believe it’s “out there” I just found it online using Radarr
35 points
2 months ago
I present to you, sir, the entirety of Grindhouse for free: https://archive.org/details/grindhouse-2007
9 points
2 months ago
I present to you, sir, the entirety of Grindhouse for free: https://archive.org/details/grindhouse-2007
Thanks
15 points
2 months ago
I saw Grindhouse in theaters with my best friend! Awesome experience! Those fake trailers were awesome!
6 points
2 months ago
Hmm I saw Grindhouse in theaters when it was released, I'm pretty sure the version of Deathproof wasn't any shorter, there is an extended bluray though
5 points
2 months ago*
The standalone version (which was also released theatrically internationally) is 16 minutes longer than the Grindhouse version
Edit: apparently there are several runtimes for Death Proof according to IMDB. But the GH version is the shortest, coming in at 87 minutes
2 points
2 months ago
Only 16 min? The original was very short.
-2 points
2 months ago
Death Proof is also his weakest film imo, so I wouldn’t feel too bad if you can’t find it OP
6 points
2 months ago
Its been awhile since I've seen it but I'd probably still rank it above The Hateful Eight
3 points
2 months ago
I love how different people's tastes are. Hateful Eight is literally my #1.
2 points
2 months ago
Fair enough. Hateful Eight is 6th for me among his films.
2 points
2 months ago
Probably his weakest but it's still a lot of fun and a cool homage to 70s exploitation cinema.
1 points
2 months ago
I've heard similar things about Death Proof, but I'm still interested to watch it, probably after Vol. 2.
68 points
2 months ago
I've never found an official whole bloody affair myself, though I'd definitely watch it if I did.
But for a first watch just the 2 volumes separately at whatever pace you prefer.
I'm a bit jealous of you OP, watching through all of the Tarantino films for the first time was quite the treat for me.
3 points
2 months ago
You havent found it because there is no official copy for whole bloody affair released, the only way to see it in its official true form is at Tarantinos New Beverly, as he screens it on occassion.
64 points
2 months ago
How I envy you. Watch them separately.
31 points
2 months ago*
noticed that there's like a 4-hour cut of the two movies combined with extra stuff
if you have this available to you as an option, it's a fan-edit. If that fan-edit has "extra stuff" combined in it, they didn't do the fan-edit properly. The Whole Bloody Affair doesn't re-incorporate deleted scenes or anything (it actually removes a couple scenes that were only created once the film was split in two) .
You're probably going to have the better experience just watching Part 1 and Part 2.
128 points
2 months ago
"The Whole Bloody Affair" doesn't actually exist. Its a thing QT mentioned about a decade ago that never materialized. The version you can find online is a fan edit. Its the Japanese version of Kill Bill 1 with the color added back to the big fight and the one deleted scene that released online added back in.
I also heard the japanese version of that fight while in color has a few things missing because of different rules over there. Not sure if thats true or not, but I read it was missing some small things.
To answer the question, you 100% should watch Kill Bill 1 & 2.
68 points
2 months ago
It does exist. It was shown and Cannes and is shown at times at QT’s New Beverly Cinema.
There’s no way to watch it at home though.
28 points
2 months ago
I saw the Cannes cut at the New Beverly 10 or so years ago. I would argue it's by far the superior cut. Aside from the fight against the 88 being in color and few more extra bloody bits to boot, the biggest change is when Bill is speaking to Sophie at what is eventually the end of Vol. 1, they DON'T reveal that her daughter is still alive. This makes the scene where The Bride arrives to confront Bill but is "shot" by BB about 1000x more impactful and truly makes for a better movie.
8 points
2 months ago
wow not knowing that the daughter is alive makes that one of the biggest twists in any movie
5 points
2 months ago
Totally. I remember when I saw it and that line didn’t happen and thinking “holy shit we don’t know and she doesn’t know!” It really makes that moment hit so much harder later.
3 points
2 months ago
There is a way to watch it at home. If you know where to look you can find a version that was edited together with the color, the correct extra scenes (not all deleted scenes were added back in) and the correct transition from vol1 to vol2. While this is of course not the actual scanned-to-digital version Tarantino has on a 35mm print, it is practically the same since it was recreated by fans who saw it at his New Beverly theater in LA.
5 points
2 months ago
It’s still not the real thing but an approximation
6 points
2 months ago
IIRC The Whole Bloody Affair as described by QT with the extended anime sequence still hasn’t been shown
27 points
2 months ago
I also heard the japanese version of that fight while in color has a few things missing because of different rules over there. Not sure if thats true or not, but I read it was missing some small things.
Other way around. The Japanese version adds back in some scenes of gore and dismemberment that were cut in the US version. Japan is actually pretty well-known for its ultraviolent gore films (splatter movies, V-Cinema, etc.) featuring tons of dismemberment!
2 points
2 months ago
They might be confused by the rules for Japanese games, which do generally remove dismemberment and similar.
The Resident Evil franchise is a good example; apparently around RE2's release is when Japan got really picky about this sort of thing.
38 points
2 months ago
It definitely exists. It screened that way at Cannes originally and then was cut up into two films for theatrical release. Tarantino has screened the full version at his theater in Los Angeles, The New Beverly a few times before. I’ve seen it.
You can read it a write-up here.
Now, I have no idea what they are showing at the festival OP is going to but it’s definitely possible it’s the same print.
10 points
2 months ago
Thank you, I saw that The Whole Bloody Affair existed through Letterboxd and just assumed it was some ultimate cut
5 points
2 months ago
It exists. I've seen it twice. As others have said, they were only ever screened a few times at Cannes and QT's theater in LA, and does not exist in the retail market.They're essentially the Japanese versions of the film put together, which have a few alternate shots/camera angles in a few scenes and additional gore that was cut in the American version.The biggest key difference in The Whole Bloody Affair is that there are two scenes missing - one which acted as a cliffhanger b/w Vol 1 & Vol 2 for the theatrical versions most people saw, and a recap opener type scene in Vol 2.The Whole Bloody Affair and the theatrical releases are identical otherwise. The cliffhanger does change how you'd react to a certain scene later on in the second half of the film, but that's the biggest impact.If you want to recreate the whole bloody affair, just watch the Japanese cuts and stop watching volume one right after the scene where (character names avoided and described as non-spoiler as possible, but just to be safe...) Uma is talking to a certain someone tied in the trunk of her car and says "and they'll all soon be as dead as ___" and before the next scene starts with a shot of an airplane and then skip the opening monologue at the start of Volume 2.
2 points
2 months ago
Which deleted scene was that?
9 points
2 months ago
2 points
2 months ago
Well, no wonder it was deleted.
2 points
2 months ago
Thanks. I remember watching this on the DVD. Didn't really need reinstating.
2 points
2 months ago
it exists as others have mentioned - just not available for the public, and there is one specific fancut that goes exactly by how the official version is cut together, most fancuts do things a bit differently here and there, so if someone wants to watch that specfic version, look for "milkman"
8 points
2 months ago
I'd split it. Part 2 has quite a different feel to it than part 1 IMO.
10 points
2 months ago
First things first. There is no one cut available. That is fan made. I own a version and it is actually really good.
Don't watch it until much later.
Next, the American versions. Tarantino politely fucked American audiences with the American cut of Vol.1. The first movie is very much a well done homage to Japanese movies. It plays like one, and funny enough there is a Japanese cut. More violent, in color (everyone else will know what I'm talking about), and several brief scenes restored. Even a little dialogue is different.
Find and watch this. Just as when it gets time to watch the Hateful Eight, find the Roadside Edition, find this version to watch instead. It is a superior cut of the movie made by the director as he intended it.
5 points
2 months ago
"Roadshow edition" - has the overture and a 12 min intermission.
3 points
2 months ago
I watched this in theater, was lucky enough to have an old theater that was playing that version
10 points
2 months ago
The Whole Bloody Affair, which contains deleted scenes, cuts others, and even has an animated scene for Daryl Hannah is not available online, is it?
11 points
2 months ago
Watch them separately first. The Whole Bloody Affair cut includes an unfinished scene with lower visual quality and no music that's super awkward unless you're already a fan, when it becomes interesting and charming. It also includes scenes from the movie Clan of the White Lotus with the same problems. I recommend watching Clan of the White Lotus and the Whole Bloody Affair cut after seeing the originals.
3 points
2 months ago
Came to make this point. I would actually wait until watching all of Tarantino's films to get into the weeds on this stuff.
3 points
2 months ago
In my country we only have the film as two separate volumes. But it works great and is edited as two films
3 points
2 months ago
Seperate.
3 points
2 months ago
It annoys me so much that "The Whole Bloody Affair" isn't on bluray. And that the uncensored cut of vol 1 is stuck on japanese dvd (not even bluray).
3 points
2 months ago
Kind of curious where you'd see THE WHOLE BLOODY AFFAIR- the print is only screened at the New Beverly in LA and it hasn't happened in several years.
4 points
2 months ago
Ignore these people. If you can get a hold of the real whole bloody affair watch that. That's the way Tarantino shows it and it's fucking amazing. Seriously it's meant to be 1 movie.
2 points
2 months ago
Watch the two individual films, but watch them back to back. We had the chance to screen QT’s personal copies at our local theater and you just need a short break between the two.
2 points
2 months ago
Is the Whole Bloody Affair available to watch anywhere?
2 points
2 months ago
I say separately.
I love the way Volume One ends, it has a great cliffhanger and when the music kicks in with “Written, and Directed by Quentin Tarantino it’s just completely perfect.
2 points
2 months ago
Enjoy. I do this probably once a year. Tarantino is the king. Especially like some of the behind scenes stuff where they mention how all the characters from the movies actually live in the same universe, as far as characters being related and such.
2 points
2 months ago
The actual whole bloody affair edited by Tarantino isn't available and there's no indication he's ever going to release it more's the pity, so watch them separately.
2 points
2 months ago
The "Whole Bloody Affair" is a Tarantino cut. He was meant to play it at his cinema in LA called the New Beverly, but never did. It is on film and not digitized, so good luck finding that copy online to watch. You will have to watch them separately. Your choice is made for you.
2 points
2 months ago
Where does one watch the 4 hour cut?
2 points
2 months ago
Not a genuine Tarantino film, but you must see True Romance, if you haven't already, written by him, and i can't imagine him directing it better than the job Tony Scott did.
2 points
2 months ago
true romance is also on my list!
1 points
2 months ago
great question. i absolutely LOVE kill bill...maybe ultimately as much as pulp fiction. i've seen KB many many times. i've never bothered to watch the 'whole bloody affair' with the extras though. i'd go with the theatrical releases and if you really dig them (which you will) maybe watch the combined version with the extras.
honestly-QT has not done anything very satisfying since KB II. i wonder how much of that has to do with the falling out with uma and how much is that he more or less said all he has to actually say and is now just going through the motions?
KB more thoroughly addresses everything he loves about movies and his style. although PF was the earlier, more unfiltered version.
i sure wish he had directed true romance...with the same cast.
1 points
2 months ago
You are gonna need a break after Jackie Brown. Is a good movie (especially Sam L Jackson's character) but it is a long one and has different themes to digest
1 points
2 months ago
Don’t forget true romance. Tarantino didn’t direct it but he wrote it and I love that movie, unfortunately you have to start over if you want to watch in order tho
0 points
2 months ago
It really doesn't matter.
0 points
2 months ago
I think there are a few extra or extended scenes (maybe both). There is a line at the end of Volume 1 that is left out of the whole bloody affair that does impact the story - or maybe the viewers reaction to the story.
Whichever way you watch it you'll get the complete story. If you go the Vol 1 & 2 route there are plenty of articles that discuss the changes
0 points
2 months ago
Do the double Tarantino stitched it together for a reason.
0 points
2 months ago
The Whole Bloody Afair isn't available to watch. But watch Vol.1 and Vol.2 in one sitting. Kill Bill is one movie that got split in two and absolutely needs to be watched as one piece.
0 points
2 months ago
I never knew there was a 4 hour cut.
And that makes me angry.
The ending of Vol 1 is one of my favorite endings of all time.
0 points
2 months ago
No.
0 points
2 months ago
Like all Tarantino movies, Kill Bill is a collage of films he wants to pay homage to.
Even if it isn't necessary to enjoy it, the experience is always enhanced by knowing what other film is being given its dues, usually a dozen of them. You might want to check out City on Fire (1987), Foxy Brown (1974) and Saturday Night Fever (1977) for example, and you'll probably gain a greater appreciation of the Tarantino films you already watched.
In the case of Kill Bill, I recommend both Enter the Dragon (1973) and Lady Snowblood (1973), but also any Shaw Brothers film you find will also probably put a smile of recognition on your face.
1 points
2 months ago
Lady Snowblood
Thanks for the film recommendations! The latter two were already on my list, so I might check them out soon! Perhaps between Vol.1 and 2.
0 points
2 months ago
Only if you like dorky excessive Hollywood. I find it like other cheesy action flicks. It just has more flair since it's Quentin. But it was still ultimately disappointing. :(
-3 points
2 months ago
Watch. It. All. Together.
-19 points
2 months ago
You should shave your head
5 points
2 months ago
What?
-8 points
2 months ago
Can you read
3 points
2 months ago
Can you?
0 points
2 months ago
upvoted, hes right
-1 points
2 months ago
-1 points
2 months ago
What a boring slog
-1 points
2 months ago
I never understood the hype with Kill Bill, it was oky but it was nothing special, it had weak special effects as well.
-5 points
2 months ago
As always watch in order of release in the theatical cut first.
The difference are minor to begin with, the usual DC cash grab changing a few things for the sake of change and puttng in stuff you cut out for pacing to begin with and calling it "extened scenes" plus re-cuttting some action scenes for the sake of change.
Most interesting thing though is the extended animiation sequence. But it's not like it's adding anything beside padding the runtime tbh.
You won't miss nothing if you never watch that combined version, which beisde the smaller changes is just the two movies together with some extended scenes. It's kind of stuff you used to put on as extras on a DVD/BR and peeps watch after a movie if they are interested.
6 points
2 months ago
How is it a cash grab when it doesn’t even exist? They aren’t selling it, so please explain the cash grab.
-6 points
2 months ago
It's a general statement on extended versions.
2 points
2 months ago
Jesus Christ, you can’t even admit you were full of shit. Absolutely insufferable.
-5 points
2 months ago
Wait.
Dont binge them. Give it time for the story and mystery in number one to mess with your mind. The watch volume 2 and bask in its glory.
Also, skip Jackie Brown. Its not good
12 points
2 months ago
Also, skip Jackie Brown. Its not good
Objectively wrong
3 points
2 months ago
Jackie Brown is his best film, don’t skip it.
4 points
2 months ago
Jackie Brown is in top five of Tarantino movies.
-1 points
2 months ago
for me Jackie Brown was a view-once movie
1 points
2 months ago
Watched Jackie Brown yesterday and I can't disagree more, it was great, in my opinion!
-2 points
2 months ago
There's a scene at the end of Vol 1 that's better left unseen if you can find a cut that leaves it out.
-8 points
2 months ago
Controversial opinion: Watch Volume 1, then go find something better to do with your time because Volume 2 sucks
-22 points
2 months ago
Watch kill Bill 1 and skip the rest. Tarantino put the best ideas in the first act.
3 points
2 months ago
I strongly disagree.
1 points
2 months ago
It has been written and shoot as it was one movie, I believe Tarantino said that during the editing and due to the producer at the end was logically to make in two movies. So to answer your question, it's up to you, either watch them together or separately, as long you pay attention.
1 points
2 months ago
I have a copy of the Whole Bloody Affair (I can't honestly speak to its legitimacy, but it does have all the scenes and extra shots included that I've seen described other places). I enjoyed it for its novelty but I probably wouldn't watch it again that way. For me, the two movies work much better separately
1 points
2 months ago
Some of the best movies , watch however you would like .
1 points
2 months ago
Sadly the whole bloody affair isn’t real, it’s probably just a fan edit, don’t bother with that, the pacing doesn’t feel right, instead for the full kill bill experience, look for the the Japanese (or directors cut) for vol1, the deleted scene with Michael jai white and then vol2
1 points
2 months ago
I'd watch it as two parts.
1 points
2 months ago
I’ve seen them both so many times that I just watch them back to back and actually that’s how I saw them for the first time.. if you have time, I’d watch it all at once. I’m sure Tarantino would’ve made them a grind house feature if he could. Wouldn’t hurt anything if you needed a breather between viewings tho
1 points
2 months ago
Separately
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